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US government under-fire for study linking penis size to whether gay men ‘top’ or ‘bottom’

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  1. The word is men’s, not mens’. Very poor.

    1. Indeed.

      1. I seconds’

    2. stan James 20 Jul 2011, 2:38am

      the real study we need is to measure all the haters d!cks while they see gay porn of men with men.

      I predict that a lot of the measuring devices will be broken apart.

      its always that way – these people are those who have issues with their own orientation. Not only does it lead to them hating gays, but also to abusing women who dont satify them.and their need to prove they are a man while most really want to bottom.

      Out them all = no mercy

      1. Yeah, this article isn’t even about prejudice, or prejudiced itself. It might be considered mildly ignorant at worst, but in reality, there are a lot of men that are “tops” or “Bottoms”, so, even that is kind of unfounded.

    3. Clivejw

      Pull that rod out you ass and relax FFS

      1. Or relax (a lot) and let that rod into your ass?

  2. Oh please, what a complete waste of money and effort. Who cares about such matters as penis size? Oh yeah! I wonder where I can get so full copy of the results…

  3. Where can I get a copy with the names and addresses of the above average penis sizes. LMAO

    1. stan James 20 Jul 2011, 2:43am

      FYI ive read that 6 inches (15 cm) is about normal. YOu should have seen the look on my wifes face when in the middle of doing it, I pulled out and grabbed a purposely placed handy ruler. btw if your nosey – 6 and 1/4 inches ready to burst. Ive seen much bigger on porn but I guess I can live with what i have

      the look was as wierd as the time I kissed on the cheek a lesbian friend of mine in front of my wife.

      Exquisite. (all;; smiles here)

      If only the Pink would allow pix on htat one

      1. Oh yeah those quarter inches make all the difference Stan.

      2. thats seems a bit detailed for a news site lol

  4. 8+” and all bottom. lol

    1. Same here… guess we’re just weirdos or something.

    2. Jason Brown 19 Jul 2011, 11:25pm

      Actual inches or gay inches? I’m about 15″ gay inches.

      1. Oh baby, I can handle that sweet pacifier.

      2. Miguel Sanchez 22 Jul 2011, 3:10pm

        Is a gay inch bigger than a straight inch?

        I’m just over 6″ and I top and bottom.

        I guess that shoots their figures out of the water.

        1. no a gay inch is about half a straight inch hence all gay guys say there over 12 inch :P

    3. I find bottoms are usually people with bigger penis’s

      1. Staircase2 20 Jul 2011, 2:57am

        lol really?
        I don’t think ‘usual’ comes into it to be honest…

      2. Jock S. Trap 20 Jul 2011, 8:50am

        My mans the opposite, very Active and VWE!!

        1. Address and phone number please Jock and can you give us about half an hour to ourselves?

          1. Jock S. Trap 20 Jul 2011, 11:14am

            LOL… half an hour… what a waste!

            You’ll need a few hours…lol

            Oh Lordy, he’ll think I’m pimping him out now!

          2. Call it research. I’m doing a project or some such on getting my end away.

      3. I agree – that’s also been my experience too.

        1. 7.5 bottom, i don’t see any link.

    4. In my extensive/anecdotal experience as a 7″ vers many guys with larger tools prefer to bottom

    5. Size isn’t everything!!!!!!

  5. All the money went on a beer run anyway

  6. This is frivolous. The country is already going broke and I hope the rest of the world says “nope, we’re not going to lend you any money.” Maybe that’ll teach them.

  7. Jason Brown 19 Jul 2011, 11:26pm

    Is it news? Maybe
    Hilarious? Defiantly!

  8. my boyfriend is huge and he loves it up there.

  9. I don’t object to studies which help us understand ourselves better. This sounds like a bit of a crazy topic, but it’s not necessarily. The reporting of this makes it hard to tell if the study returned any useful results though.

    1. I agree. While I am unclear about the results and how well the research was conducted, information about our communal sexual practices has the potential to save $ and lives.

    2. Well, I can agree with that. But it’s not aiding medical research, and hardly psychological research. It seems more like a “fun fact” and the money would have been better spent on the needy, or national debt

      1. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:17pm

        ‘fun fact’….? lol

  10. Who ponders and approves money for studies such as these?

  11. Dorothy Cornell 20 Jul 2011, 12:58am

    This ‘study’ is rather stupid. I don’t see any benefits from it really. Is this really that important? When people are starving and dying everywhere..

  12. Staircase2 20 Jul 2011, 3:00am

    Like all these things, whether its ‘important’ or not depends on the actual reasons for the research – which is often not detailed in the article here.
    Not exactly rocket science though – what they have identified as ‘findings’.
    Personally I find the whole regimented notion of ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ to be hugely problematic – and coming from a largely heterosexist perception of sexual roles.
    But I do think that its probably time that scientific research was done into sexual dysfunction among gay men as much as is (probably) done amongst str8 men.

  13. Get the Christians and the government off of our penis. They have no business on it.

    Look what else they do, the Christians do this too.

    1. Staircase2 27 Jul 2011, 1:03am

      What’s this got to do with Christians or the Government?

      You lot are bloody obsessed!

  14. 9.4 would be a big one

    1. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:18pm

      …Not if thats centimetres it wouldn’t…

  15. OK, that’s simply not right… why did my careers councellor at school not tell me I could earn money conducting this kind of research? Really not happy about that…

  16. For those who may not know, the grant for this study was awarded in 2006 under then President George W. Bush.

  17. Jock S. Trap 20 Jul 2011, 8:48am

    Crazy says what now?

    Sounds like stuff that goes straight into the arms of the religious nutjobs to me.

    This is crazy talk and I wish they would get over it and treat us the same as everyone else.

    1. I wish Ted Haggard and George Rekers would simply ask their rentboys whether they prefer top or bottom and not conduct an entire scientific survey into it. Seems like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

      1. Jock S. Trap 20 Jul 2011, 11:15am

        Exactly. It does tend to the result from bigots after a homophobic bashing.

  18. I think studies into sexual health and how penis size effects gay men is rather interesting. The gay media and indeed the gay “community” put a lot of emphasis on the whole “bigger is better” idea, despite the fact the truly “bigger” men are in the minority. In an age where we are now seeing people in early puberty coming out as gay, this must be having an impact on their self confidence if they are average or below. There’s a lot of guidance and support out there for heterosexual teens worried about penis size, a lot of reassurances that size doesn’t usually matter for vaginal intercourse, but very little for gay teens. This is likely a result of a slightly homophobic society who still haven’t accepted that “kids can be gay” but also a lack of research or knowledge around the opinions of gay men as a wider group. However, there is absolutely no need to look into how it effects sexual roles/positions, it’s not beneficial to anyone, as this kind of thing is a chosen preference.

    1. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:25pm

      Not strictly true, Chris.

      You’re assuming this is a ‘chosen’ ‘preference’ – whereas the research is looking into whether this is actually the case or not – ie whether the issue of whether a man is ‘top’ or ‘bottom’ is in fact based around sexual dysfunction.

      A lot of money has been spent in the past on sexual dysfunction in men ‘in general’ (although most of this has tended towards heterosexual sex I think).

      Think for a minute how wide-scoping the idea of ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ is: even to the point where it often details whether 2 men can have a relationship together or not.

      Given that we are such a relatively small section of society in general (arguably 10%) doesn’t it make sense that we should have the benefit of scientific research to see whether or not there are things which might negatively affect how we interact with other men/each other?

      1. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:26pm

        Equally, given the huge amount of gay men who opt for ‘open’ relationships and believe that ‘its natural for sexual interest in their partner to die away after a year or two together’, might this not in fact be due to possible sexual dysfunction rather than anything inherently ‘natural’….?

  19. what a load of rubbish!

    1. Correction Daniel. a load of ‘sexy’ rubbish.

  20. So the research hypothesis is that gay men with below average penis size become bottoms while those with above average become tops. That begs the question – what is the plight of heterosexual men with below average penis size do ?

    1. They never get to have sex, so they don’t pass on their genes, so the average size gradually increases! Yay for evolution!

      1. And yay for cryogenics! Freeze me up now and defrost me in about a thousand years when every guy on planet ‘girth’ is walking around with a foot long and I ain’t talking Subway sandwiches.

        1. I think I’d aim for about 500 years; I don’t want to end up getting impaled!

        2. Jock S. Trap 20 Jul 2011, 11:17am

          So you have met my man!! LOL :))

          1. From the sound of it I’d be scared to!

    2. They find a butch women who ls good with a strap on.

    3. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:29pm

      @John – the mechanics of str8 sex generally make it far easier for a str8 man with a smaller cock to still have a very satisfactory (penetrative) sex life. Penetrative anal sex arguably requires lengthier cocks just because of the physical mechanics involved.

  21. One has nothing to do with the other. Has someone actually wasted time doing “research” on this, or was it some exercise to basically play with a load of cocks?

    What a load of bollocks… literally!

  22. Haha, that makes it sound like top-trumps (no pun intended). So ridiculous.
    “Oi, I’m bigger than you, get off!”

  23. I despair of why this got funding. Who cares?

    I’ve known FtMs that top like pros and mega-hung boys that love to bottom.

    I know people like to shelve, assume and categorise but this is ridiculous. There’s people going hungry out there!

    1. I think its money well spent, I hope they take their analyses and findings on the road and tour the world educating the masses, it might be the first presentation I sit through. And it might take me a long time to sit afterwards.

  24. ChrisZenketh 20 Jul 2011, 1:19pm

    I am very much over what is percieved as average in both both girth and length my boyfriend is slightly smaller than average and to be honest we mix and match depending on our mood, since we both get great pleasure from being top and bottom. Can we stop having sterotypes in regards to what is essentially a private matter between consenting adults!

    1. Hi Chris, just so you know you tick ALL my boxes and if you want to fill my box just let me know, I can be found hanging out on the guyswithiphones website! x

    2. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:32pm

      what you mean ‘private matter’….? Firstly you’ve just spent a whole paragraph talking about you and your bf’s cock size in an international public forum lol and secondly I think its perfectly reasonable for medical science to spend equal amounts of time, effort, energy and financial resources on gay men as much as they do on str8 men.

  25. This study was undertaken by surveying 1,000 New York men who approached in the street. Obviously it did not cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to undertake. Greater knowledge about gay mens’ psychological wellbeing and the reasons why some engage in risky behaviour will help public health authorities better adapt to their outreach initiatives. If anyone is actually interested in reading the study, I will be happy to send you a copy. It’s a pity this article does not go into greater depth about the importance of gay health research. My contact details are at my website.

    1. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:39pm

      Could you put up a link for that research please William?

      I couldn’t see any contact info for you on your site

      Many Thanks,

  26. Spanner1960 20 Jul 2011, 7:42pm

    Well, I have 12 inches, but I never use it as a rule.

  27. jamestoronto 20 Jul 2011, 7:47pm

    I am just trying to picture someone – anyone at all – meeting up with with some hot number. They go home and the intimacy begins and then one of them pulls out this huge tome and says: Now let’s see according to 2009 “The Association Between Penis Size and Sexual Health Among Men Who Have Sex with Men’ this is what we…….And the other guy disappears.
    This would be totally hilarious if it didn’t cost the poor Americans $9 million. There has got to be a script for a comedy skit in there.

    1. Read the article – it did not cost $9million

      1. jamestoronto 21 Jul 2011, 4:34am

        I stand corrected – sort of anyway. The article is very ambiguous about the cost. At one point it says it is “part of a $899,769 research grant,” then at the end it says that the “organisation originally stated that the study cost $9.4m to conduct, a claim that has since been discredited.” Discredited to what amount, though? It could mean $8 million was the true amount.

        Regardless, it never ceases to amaze how governments all around the world manage to spend such ridiculous amounts of tax dollars on such bizarre studies, projects and the like.

    2. Let’s just hope Saturday Night Live take notice of that.

  28. This is the most backward research I’ve ever read about… everytime I’ve been attracked to a man that was a TOP, he’s small… while those I’ve been attracted to that were bottoms,were large to absolutately hudge!!! I

  29. Oh how depressing. I hate it when I fit the stereotype. And yes, damn it, I am a bottom…

  30. jamestoronto 21 Jul 2011, 4:37am

    If we would just measure in centimetres we would all be impressed with our numbers!!!

  31. Robbie the Red 21 Jul 2011, 12:19pm

    What possible use in any field of science or sociology is this work? It really is a waste of money when even gay people don’t care about the result and it is clearly nonsense anyway.

    1. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:42pm

      I don’t see how any research into gay men’s sexual behaviour could be construed as a ‘waste of money’ any more than research into str8 men’s behaviour

  32. Keeping it “light”, this story is just plain funny!


  33. So Jeff Stryker and Ken Ryker are among the healthiest men on the planet!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ;-)

    1. Staircase2 26 Jul 2011, 5:40pm


  34. Spanner1960 22 Jul 2011, 7:01pm

    They should have given me the $899,769.
    I would have got them a better set of samples.

    1. Lol, Hire me! At the end of the study we could combine our research data. Maybe add each other to the sample base.

  35. I posted some cock pics on a hook up site recently and was overwhelmed with the number of bottoms that contacted me looking for sex. I came to the conclusion that there were far more bottoms than tops and that it probably does have something to with penis size.

    But I think it’s also related to the way in which gay men venerate traditional notions masculinity where a top8216;real’ man.

    Would be interesting to see more research into the sexual roles of gay men and identity.

  36. Allen Patterson 26 Aug 2011, 5:11pm

    The Penis is “More than a Size”:
    – A documentary website with realistic penis pictures and surveys.


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