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  1. Glad the assailant was caught.

    The victim behaved in a monumentally stupid and irresponsible manner of course.

    Cruising in public is dangerous.

    If he wants to have some casual fun then he should go to a sauna (and seeing as he has a car this is possiible for him),

    Anybody who cruises in public really has a very low regard for their own personal safety.

    1. Staircase2 18 Jul 2011, 6:15pm

      This is nonsense, Steve.
      People have been having sex in the outdoors for EVER.
      He was unlucky – thankfully the Police now take these kinds of incidents seriously enough to warrant them protecting him.

      1. He was unlucky and completely stupid!!

        People that have sex in public should be prosecuted.

        1. He should be prosecuted? Why? We live in the 21st century. Not the 1950’s!

          1. He shouldn’t be prosecuted for his stupidity.

            But owing to his utter lack of regard for his own personal safety; then it’s hard to feel much pity for him.

      2. Spanner1960 18 Jul 2011, 7:16pm

        There’s a difference between having sex outdoors and doing it in public.
        Serves the bloke right. It’s about time we got out of the dark ages. To paraphrase the idiom, “Get a fcuking room.”

        1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 11:48am

          Yet again Spanner you commend attacks.

          No one deserves to be attacked no matter what the circumstances.

          1. Spanner1960 19 Jul 2011, 9:19pm

            Jock: I would never condone violence, but if you stick your head in a lion’s mouth, then you should expect to lose your head.
            If gay people want to be treated as equal, then it’s about time they started acting like it and being socially responsible.

        2. Jane Clare Pawling 19 Jul 2011, 2:20pm

          I agree with you (Spanner1960). I add this, that such behaviour disgraces our community. It is no wonder that we are denied marriage.

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 2:48pm

            Such a comment, justifying attacks AND why we are denied Equality.

            I suggest you are just making excuses to why YOU think the LGBT community shouldn’t be Equal.

            Makes me question who you claim to be and the term “our” that you use.

      3. Steve you may not be something you would do but MANY gay and BI (so called straight) men do, just as straight people do.

        Well done to the the guy for reporting this crime must have taken a lot of guts – how many of us would have looked the other way?


        1. Fair enough.

          And those people (gay or straight) are stupid and irresponsible, with no regard for their own personal safety.

          This is an indisputable fact.

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 11:48am

            Sadly for you, no it’s not, it’s freedom of choice.

          2. It is also my freedom of choice to walk into town in the middle of the motorway.

            That too is incrediblly stupid and irresponsible.

            The guy did not deserve to be attacked.

            However his blatant disregard for his own safety cannot be hidden.

          3. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 3:03pm

            Prehaps you’d prefer the old days where people caught we locked up and tortured for being Gay.

            Your reasoning is flawed, your judgement is also flawed.

            Just because you choose not to do it doesn’t make it wrong.

            Fact is these attacks are rare and people have the right to be themselves whether Straight, Gay or otherwise.

            If they choose to cruise and it is consensual and doesn’t bother anybody else so be it.

            The minute we start clamping down on it while others can continue sets a dangerous precedence ie what comes next.

            This is the price of Freedom and truth is only a small handful of people Gay or Straight condemn it to how others see us when in actual fact they usually are just as bad in other ways but Choose not to focus on it.

            Fact is You are the one choosing to spend your time worrying about what other people think when in fact it is only a small amount of bigoteds who choose to use it against us… you included. Which makes you just as bad as them.

          4. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 3:05pm

            Most decent people see Gay people just like them without the need to judge.

            We would do well to remember that it is still a short time ago that things were Very different and what we have now we must celebrate.

            I repeat though, just because you choose not to cruise doesn’t make it wrong.

    2. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 11:46am

      Can’t agree with that. These types of cases are minimal but yes there is a danger just like anything in public.

      If people choose on public areas for sex and so long as it is consental and discreet, I really don’t see the problem.

      It by no means, means those people have low regard for themselves.

      It just means they have different ideas of fun to what you have.

      1. And if I go awy for a weekend and change my voicemail to ‘Hi I am away for the weekend and won’t be back until Monday’ then I do not deserve to have my house burgled but I can hardly act surprised if it happens,

        Likewise if this middle-aged guy goes to a cruising area (which are usually in discreet areas) which can be located by criminals using Google; and he removes his trousers and underwear when a teenager asks him to; then sorry but he IS blatantly disregarding his own safety.

        He is an idiot.

        1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 3:09pm

          I guess so long as we have people like you who would rather judge the victim and not the attacker we have people justifying hatred and homophobia.

          Prehaps your someone who spends all their time thinking more about what everyone thinks of you but that is very limiting in life.

          I find you on the same par as the attackers of these crimes because so long as you make excuses for them we will never progress.

        2. herewegoherewegoherewego 19 Jul 2011, 3:40pm

          Actually your the idiot, because if we lived by your way of thinking in this counrty. Before we arrested anyone we would see how much the victim was complicit in the crime. So there goes all rape cases, because any woman that talked to a man and kissed him, must have meant she wanted full sex. Or murder, you walk down a street late at night then you asking to be smacked on the head. If some one crashing in to your car, then its your fault for being on the road driving in the first place.

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 3:51pm

            Excellent point!

    3. I agree sex in public has its danger but sex in general has its dangers aslong as your willing to take that risk you can do what you want sexually

  2. Lyuba Tereshchenko 18 Jul 2011, 4:30pm


  3. The victim still had his mobile phone? Where?

    1. It was on vibrate. Guess.

      1. martyn notman 18 Jul 2011, 7:25pm

        class! :)

  4. Dan Filson 18 Jul 2011, 4:58pm

    What is encouraging is that the press have not reported the name of the victim only that of the assailant, and the victim was able to give evidence screened off to preserve his anonymity as in a blackmail case. What a contrast to the Daily Express (and News of the World, remember that paper?, for that matter) days of the 1950s.

  5. There is precisely nothing wrong with cruising in ‘public’. I think it is absolutely scandalous that some people on this site seem to be stigmatising the victim here more than his attackers. Whilst many of you may not agree with cruising for sex, this does certainly not mean that cruisers are asking for it!

    1. Spanner1960 19 Jul 2011, 8:44am

      You may not see it that way, but it is a) illegal b) immoral c) dangerous and d) makes the rest of us look like a bunch of low-life scumbags that can’t keep our dicks in our pants.

      1. What? Like heteros dogging, brings straight people into disrepute?
        The only people who would use this story against gay people in general are already anti gay.
        So because people are anti gay we all need to be perfect?

      2. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 11:52am

        Ridiculous Spanner.

        If it makes you feel like a low-life scumbag then so be it but don’t speak for the rest of us.

        Whether Gay or Straight it has been done since the dawn of time and will remain so I expect.

        You choose not to do it fine but other do and that is entirely their choose.

        1. Spanner stop projecting your self loathing on to others. Very few people think all gay men are the same and the ones that do are idiots to be avioded….geddit?

        2. Comments such as this make one wonder where the next generation will get it’s morals from and sound sexual advice.
          It appears self gratification at all costs , is more important than personal safety and sexual cleanliness and morals.

      3. “b) immoral”
        Is that more or less immoral than some people think all homosexuals are, regardless of where they have sex?
        Morality is, all too obviously, a sliding scale.

      4. herewegoherewegoherewego 19 Jul 2011, 3:46pm

        @ Spanner1960
        Crusing or meeting for sex in public is not illigal. It now comes under outraging public decency and is only a crime if witnessed. Sex in a public toilet is still a crime and carrys a tariff of up to 2 years. As for imoral, what difference is it to meet in a bar or a field/wood. Dangerous? recently a gay walked in to a bar in Glasgow and asked a gay if he was gay and got tens tons of crap knocked out of him, so where is safe? And as for us low life scum bags that cant keep our dicks in our pants……. Jealous Betty bitter

      5. By which criteria is cruising ‘immoral’?

        1. It breaks hygiene and chastity boundaries. Sex with a stranger is highly risky not to mention dumb and irresponsible. It is demeaning and undignified to seek instant gratification with random liasons.
          I measure against the criteriana of the creators laws on courtship sex and marriage. To which moral criteria do you refer and is there any level that you believe two consenting adults cross into immorality or does anything go?

    2. I don’t think cruising is scandalous or immoral.

      It is just monumentally stupid, and irresponsible and utterly lacking in regard for one’s own personal safety.

      This guy had a car; therefore he could have driven to a sauna.

      But oh no – he decides to satisfy his kink for outdoors action.

      Fair enough. But quit whining when there are negative repercussions.

      If you wilfully disregard your own safety then bad things happen.

      1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 11:53am

        Shame you can’t blast the attackers/robbers in this case as much as you do the victim.

        1. Well it goes without saying that the attackers should be punished.

          But the victim’s lack of responsibility for his own personal safety makes his behaviour really quite pathetic.

          I live by a simple rule – I don’t remove my trousers and underwear in a secluded area if a considerably younger stranger asks me to.

          Is that really such a difficult rule to live by.

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 3:13pm

            I dunno, do you live your life so perfectly and care free? I doubt it.

            I wonder if you live in some padded cell if you’re so excluded from life and reality but yes he made a mistake, that darling I think you’ll find is part of being a human being. We All make them. So what?

            It is the attackers that are wrong not the victim.

      2. But has he been whining? Has there been even a suggestion that he’s been hard done by? (I could have phrased that better…)
        The impression I have is that he very properly reported a theft and that is what has been dealt with – equally properly.

  6. Stevieeeeeeee 18 Jul 2011, 8:17pm

    “majority jury verdict” wtf? why only majority?

  7. Straight people also engage in sex in public places does that mean the world has lost its morality.
    The article states the victim was in his car and was enticed out of his vehicle, hardly flaunting himself.
    Its only a few years ago two guys could be prosecuted for sex within a hotel room because it was classed by the law as a public place.
    This is the twenty first centuary just because some people like a bit of hanky panky in public does not mean they deserve to become the victim of crime. Some might say that hanky panky in public is a crime but who is the victim?

    1. de Villiers 18 Jul 2011, 10:10pm

      Whether or not it is immoral is irrelevant. A person does not forfeit their right not to be robbed and/or attacked by their action of looking for or having sex outdoors. We all retain our right not to be robbed no matter what we do.

    2. Spanner1960 19 Jul 2011, 8:46am

      Pat Buzz : “Straight people also engage in sex in public places does that mean the world has lost its morality?”
      Answer: Yes.
      Just because straights go around beating up their children, does that mean we can to? Stop using straw-man arguments just to justify your illegal actions.

      1. Spanner wtf has it got to do with you if he wants to have sex in public. It’s a free country he wasn’t arrested so mind your own business you curtain twitcher

        1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 11:53am


      2. Oh for goodness’ sake, spanner1960! Some silly people said that the world had “lost its morality” when gay sex was legalised, then when the age of consent was equalised, then when CPs were made made lawful. Morality, particularly the remants of 19c evangelical puritanism, should have no part in the implementation of the law in relation to theft.

      3. Spanner your comment is extremely offensive, “Stop using straw-man arguments to justify your illegal actions”. To what illegal actions do you refer, nothing in my contibution indicates I indulge in anything illegal.
        My comments were meant to encourage thought as to what the crime was and who was the victim and not to jump to quickly to judge people as perverts.
        I am a hypocrit though because reading your responses on here it is obvious that you are one of those weird sexual deviants who get off from coming on discussion sites like this to insult everyone in what everway you can, what ever floats your boat, PERVERT!!

    3. Straight people who engage in dogging are monumentally stupid people who have absolutely no regard for their own personal safety.

      1. Seriously wtf has it got to do with you? Why don’t you mind you own business

        1. Nothing,

          But it’s worth pointing out repeatedly that stupid, irresponsible people would avoid getting themselves into trouble if they took more responsibility for their own personal safety.

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 3:17pm

            Truth is SteveC if you choose not to cruise then others that do have nothing to do with you unless you have a fascination for it.

            You sound just like those religious nutjobs who just can’t stop thinking about Gay sex.

            I’ll tell you what I tell them:- Get your head out of the sewer and breathe in some fresh air.

            As James! says why don’t you enjoy life and mind your own business in things you clearly have no interest in!

          2. Oh please you’re not going to live for ever may as well have a bit of fun too you uptight bitch. Your pussy must be dusty

        2. Spanner1960 19 Jul 2011, 9:25pm

          It’s got *everything* to do with me. Just like you attack every Muslim as a terrorist, or every black as a mugger, so every gay person is seen as some sex-starved pervert. It affects ALL of us, because like it or not, people view minorities with a single blinkered outlook. No wonder we get such homophobia going around when we have reputations that make even the decent ones amongst us look like gutter trash.

          1. Are you really anxious for the esteem of the sort of people who read the Daily Mail? Why bother?

          2. Spanner

            How about you find out who you are and stop hanging around with people you let define you. It’s called growing up it hard but we all have to do it

          3. Jock S. Trap 20 Jul 2011, 11:27am

            You must be very disappointed with life Spanner to think so low of yourself and everyone else.

          4. Spanner1960 21 Jul 2011, 9:25am

            It’s an ongoing thing. So many on here complain of being stereotyped, yet they just continue to reinforce it doing antisocial things like this. You lot say “stop worrying about what people think of you”, yet are the first to complain when people make even the mildest homophobic comments, and you wonder why.
            You DO mind what people think of you as a gay person, so maybe if you want this view to change, we need to look a little closer to home and clean up our own act before we start accusing others of labelling us.

  8. Sex is natural. Sex in a car with a teenager when you’re in your 40s, who you don’t know, is not. When are people going to stop defending the old perverts who are just indulging their fantasies with complete disregard for the law and society? That’s what this man was doing. If a 45 year old straight man has sex with a 19 year old girl who he picks up off the street he would be seen as disgusting. Within the gay community though that kind of behaviour has become a sort of fetish, or seen as acceptable? Well in my opinion, it’s not. But that’s my two pennies worth. However, the guy doesn’t deserve to have his car stolen or be humiliated. Sadly, the kind of people who have previous for GBH and theft don’t care about the prison system and he’ll come out after serving half his time and commit a similar or worse offense.

    1. What a tit

    2. Sex in a car with a teenager? Well now I’m sold on the idea.

  9. “According to the Coventry Telegraph, (Lewis) Harding (19), of Kingshurst, denied the robbery but was found guilty by a majority jury verdict.

    He has previous convictions for grievous bodily harm and theft.”

    What about his accomplice??

    They ought to be off the streets…the two of them..

  10. Crusiing used to be word of mouth or instinct now all the cruising places are on the internet for criminals to now. The days of crusiing are numbered even the most obsucre places are now hunting grounds. Well done that man for coming forward.

    1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 1:12pm

      In one way or another ‘cruising’ will always be around.

      Where one place stops another starts.

  11. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 11:43am

    I think the victim should be praised for being honest about what happened where so many wouldn’t have.

    The whole thing is appalling but also shows, some, of the dangers of cruising in public.

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