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  1. Thanks, Jessica. Another interesting and provocative article. And another instance of Christians trying to wipe out the history of people who DO exist in favour of promulgating the supposed teachngs of one man who never did.

    1. Oh so unfair – “one man who never did [exist]”. According to a Russian explorer at the beginning of the 20th century, he most certainly did, and was buried in Nepal. He was, according to the explorer, selected by local monks who had travelled to the Middle East in search of a reincarnation of a dead monk. At a later time, he returned to Nepal, where he lived, according to temple records, until the age of 78.

      If you look only at what he said, it IS remarkably Buddhist. (By the way, for those of you who think that Buddhists didn’t reach the Middle East, I might just mention that they were already, at that time, firmly ensconced in Egypt, and, when the Romans arrived in Britain, were there also.)

      Buddhism, however, has nothing whatsoever to say on the subject of homosexuality – unlike modern versions of the religion which might well be based on it.

      1. Dan Filson 18 Jul 2011, 1:47pm

        If he died in Nepal aged 78 then he didn’t die on the cross – which is pretty fundamental to Chistianity. What you are then left with are the words ascribed to him, and they’re pretty OK if you disassociate them from all that Old Testament stuff. But it is all pretty incredible.

        1. Yes, it does seem incredible, doesn’t it, but, then, so are so many things. The monastery is now gone, along with its records, though the tomb he saw, I believe, still exists. I suppose we shall never know, but just imagine if it is true ….

  2. When all else fails there is always the fall back position of igniting the widespread intolerance of the heterosexual majority.

    1. Recent poll suggest that a majority of Americans are in favour of marriage equality, so I’m not sure we can accuse them of intolerance as a whole.

  3. Paddyswurds 18 Jul 2011, 11:08am

    ….isn’t 433,000 a rather small number for a state of 37 million people. i would have thought upwards of a million signatures would be more appropriate otherwise small minorities end up running the state.

    1. Yeah, but then all 37 million people vote on it.

      1. Dan Filson 18 Jul 2011, 1:49pm

        Getting those 433,000 signatures is only too achievable if the petition-gatherers are on the church doorsteps with the priest standing by smiling along.

  4. The best thing that American gays can do is all move into California and New York State and tell the fundie Christian loonies to ‘f’ off!

    1. Indeed. Stupid Christofascists.

  5. Jock S. Trap 18 Jul 2011, 11:36am

    Some needs to tell these bigots that the LGBTQI community Come from families and for them to exclude is immoral and inhumane.

    It’s disgraceful that these groups continuously try to stall progress in favour of discrimination.

    I hope there request falls down a cliff and decency reigns.

    1. Jock S. Trap 18 Jul 2011, 11:37am

      Sorry Someone needs to tell…

  6. Jen Marcus 18 Jul 2011, 1:16pm

    I think we should start a referendum against all religious brainwashing of children.

    1. Hear! Hear!

    2. Dan Filson 18 Jul 2011, 1:50pm

      If only!

    3. Jock S. Trap 18 Jul 2011, 2:24pm

      Excellent, where do I sign? :)

    4. soapbubblequeen 18 Jul 2011, 3:28pm

      Brilliant idea!

    5. jamestoronto 18 Jul 2011, 8:55pm

      I want in on it too!

    6. mmmm… sounds about right..

  7. How words and their meaning change: ‘Family’ now means right wing xtain bigot.

    And of course these same christofascists would rather spend their time persecuting Gay people than sorting out America’s $14 trillion debt – I’m surprised they haven’t blamed us for that!

  8. Bastards. However, a poster over at the Towelroad site raised an interesting point:

    “I’ll be very interested to see the ballot language they are using. You cannot create a law that targets a specific group of people unless there is a definite government interest. In Prop 8, they phrased the marriage laws to be “man and woman” instead of “not gays” to try to circumvent this and that is currently under a court challenge.

    To repeal this bill, I would imagine they would have to include very wide language that could potentially affect teaching about other minority groups or they would have a bill specifically prohibiting teaching about LGBT people, which would pretty much be unconstitutional on its face.”

  9. Carlos, the Dalai Lama, a buddhist,is against homosexuality apparently.

    1. Indeed.
      Even though I’m convinced I once saw him in an Asian Daddies photo collection.

    2. The Dalai Lama is currently held to be Buddhist, however, when I was just a very young boy, he was not so considered. The Vajrayana sect was considered so deviant as to not be worthy of being considered Buddhist.

      1. Paddyswurds 19 Jul 2011, 12:07am

        ……The Dali Lama began training (as do all Dali Lama) in a Buddist Monastery when he was 8 and has been a Buddist since.
        Can’t imagine where you got the info you say you got when you were “a very young boy”? It is completely false.

        1. From the Theravada point of view (the oldest form of Buddhism), the Vajrayana sect is very far from being Buddhist, including in its teachings many strange, extra books.

          It is probably somewhat comparable, in the Christian world, to considering Mormons Christian – the Orthodox do not, by and large, consider them so. Thus, just as I would be disinclined to take any statement from a Mormon as representative of Christianity, so, too, am I disinclined to take any statement from the Dalai Lama as representative of Buddhism.

          Certainly his anti-homosexual position is not supported by any mainstream scripture.

          Please remember that he is not a person of major significance within the Buddhist world although he may appear to be so to westerners.

  10. Miguel Sanchez 18 Jul 2011, 2:11pm

    Why is it that some “so – called” Christian people just have to be so stupid? LBGT people have made great contributions that the “straights” enjoy but they won’t talk about that.

  11. When are rthese people going to stop their petty backbiting and their non-stop gay hate? It is getting really, really boring.Gays are part of the history of the world – wake up and smell the roses, and many thousands have made major contributions for the good of all mankind. If you don’t like what is being taught in the schools then go and teach your children yourself and let the rest of us get on with life.

  12. When are rthese people going to stop their petty backbiting and their non-stop gay hate? It is getting really, really boring.Gays are part of the history of the world – wake up and smell the roses, and many thousands of gays have made major contributions for the good of all mankind. If you don’t like what is being taught in the schools then go and teach your children yourself and let the rest of us get on with life.

  13. Just a referendum on GAY education? Why not go flat out, bigots, and go for all those other minorities, eh? *rolls eyes*
    Intolerant, spiteful idiots. LGBT people have families too.

  14. Rich (original) 18 Jul 2011, 3:24pm

    Good idea! All gay extremistic politics should be challenged in referendums! And such challenges shall be done periodically everywhere with gays!!!!… Inshallah!

    1. Still not found a nice boyfriend here, Rich?

      1. Iris, do you think one of us should ask him out?

        1. It would be a waste of time, you’d only get visiting rights to the asylum he’s in….

          1. jamestoronto 18 Jul 2011, 8:58pm

            Good one!! LOL

  15. soapbubblequeen 18 Jul 2011, 3:30pm

    So I imagine they will be leaving Shakespeare and Michelangelo off their history syllabuses then? Moronic idiots – how very dare they!!

    1. There is no evidence that Shakespeare and Michalangelo were Gay

      1. soapbubblequeen 18 Jul 2011, 3:53pm

        Yes, and that’s what makes them so queer isn’t it? Because there’s also no evidence that they were totally heterosexual either. However, there’s certainly evidence that you can’t spell Michelangelo dear!

      2. Michelangelo most certainly was gay. The exact identity of Shakespeare and the authorship of his plays remains hazy. Without gays there would be no Hollywood or Los Angeles, and therefore California would be much diminished. They teach Hispanic and Black history, although Hispanics have at least contributed to California’s agrarian growth.

        1. Rich (original) 18 Jul 2011, 10:02pm

          Ha! May be without paederasts there would be no philosophy? You are so obsessed with your homosexuality, stupid!….

          1. Actually, Rich, you are so obsessed with homosexuality, stupid!….

          2. Rich (original): “You are so obsessed with your homosexuality”
            Says the ‘straight’ young man who seems to spend most of his waking hours perusing a gay site…

  16. Those pesky Christians always wanting things their way or no way like when they tried to stop blacks in America,

  17. Didnt they have the opportunity to register their opinions when the bill was being debated by Californian politicians …. Clearly they didn’t make their voice heard …. or more likely, many of the politicians recognised that their opinion and perspective was wrong and divisive … so, they didnt get what they want by failing to convince say 150 politicians but now need to initially convince 433,000 and then some if a referendum occurs – weird!

  18. And Rich (unoriginal) maybe etremist islamists like you should be booted out from wherever you live and go live in Iran or any other backward islamic perverted, hetero paedophlia and polygamy-loving regimes. Your beloved Mohammned was a heterosexual paedophile who had sex with an underage 9 year old girl who became his wife, Ayisha. Islam is the most perverse cult of all, right up there with the roman cult.

    1. Rich (original) 18 Jul 2011, 10:05pm

      If I would be an extremist, I wouldn’t appear here and you would disappear without a trace – hahahah!

      1. Jock S. Trap 19 Jul 2011, 8:06am

        Oooh, get ‘er!

      2. All talk, aren’t you Rich? The reality is you haven’t any power at all to do anything against us. Its WHY you’re hear in the first place. And even then, all you do here is make people laugh at you. This is the sad truth of you, and its as pathetic as you are.

  19. CA Educator 18 Jul 2011, 8:32pm

    Successfully putting a referendum on the ballot in California is a very expensive, time-consuming endeavor. Unless there is major support by the christofascists communities, it won’t succeed.

    A more daunting problem is the Black voter, who turned out in droves to vote yes on Prop H8, and see being gay as an unnatural, chosen “lifestyle”. They’re fueled by verbally violent Black ministers who believe gays are trying to equate their history with that of Black history, despite the fact that Martin Luther King and many who supported him were pro gay rights.

  20. jamestoronto 19 Jul 2011, 3:04am

    This a bit off-topic but I thought the readers might enjoy since it always a topic of discussion
    Argentina celebrates 2,697 same-sex marriages
    BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — It has been a big year for gay marriages in Argentina: Since the country became the first in Latin America to legalize same-sex marriages, a total of 2,697 gay and lesbian couples have tied the knot.

    That’s according to Argentina’s lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender federation. It says 60 percent of the weddings were between men, and the province with the most such weddings was Buenos Aires.
    But gays say not all has been rosy since Argentina’s congress approved the law on July 15, 2010. They say they still have trouble persuading civil authorities to register their children under both names.

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