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  1. Perhaps we can get the Equalties Commission to intervene in this case and speak up for Equality for us!!!

  2. The petition says you need to be a “UK resident” in order to sign, not a UK citizen

  3. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 12:03pm

    Signed with absolute pleasure!!
    :)

  4. Thanks goodness the LibDems have promised marriage equality by 2015

  5. Does anyone know what happened to the marriage equality consultation?

    If it was far enough advanced weeks ago for Stonewall to publish a draft reply, why has the consultation still not begun?

    1. Because the Tories and Labour are LYING.

      There is absolutely no need for a consultation. If all people are equal then civil marriage and CP’s should be available for all.

      This fictional ‘consultation’ is merely a ruse to get us to shut up.

      The Tories have until 2015 to introduce equality.

      If they have not done so by that point then it is clear that they support Apartheid against gay peiople.

      Likewise with Labour – marriage equality should already be their official policy. A refusal to endorse equality at a party level by Labour means they support Apartheid against gay people.

      1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 1:11pm

        Your are technically right but sadly there has to be a consultation because otherwise we would end up with the same problem as California where certain religious group will stall any progress and that in itself could take many more years than getting this piece of Equality through via consultation.
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        You are right though Equality shouldn’t be a matter of debate but a matter of fact but again, sadly we know some religious group wi
        -ll not allow it be so simple.
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        It actually makes me laugh that they complain about their religious freedoms and yet here they are at work and oppressing.
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        Personally I prefer think religious Civil Partnerships will pave the way toward full Equality for both CP’s and Marriage but at least through a consultation all legal challenges can be met and sorted out so we can have this most important piece of Equality.
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        …..

        1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 1:12pm

          ……….
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          I just wish someone like for example Nick Clegg would stand up and tell these religious discriminaters that Civil marriage has nothing to do with religion and that by hijacking it as such they do put themselves in danger of becoming a minority themselves.

        2. I always thought that someone or some party could raise a private bill, which is reasonable in this case since the lib dems have adopted a policy on it and we are constantly told by LGBTory and labour that they support it. The bill could then be disucssed thru various committees and thru parliament. Does a consultation with no end date or proposal for a bill and an eventual date on marriage equality serve much purpose other than to delay things …….It comes across as bit of a con, something to merely shut the LGBT community up and delay things until runningout of time before the next election where we will again be left guessing who actually is in support of marriage equality…

          1. That’s a good idea. I believe the Civil Partnership bill was initiated as a private bill by Lord Lester, a Lib Dem before being taken on by the then govt.

            Unfortunately the LibDems seem to have become immasculated by signing up to the coalition agreement. Giving 2015 as a wish date is a lovely long time away and when the wheels fall off the coalition they’ll have the perfect explanation as to why it never happened

            At least Peter Tatchell is trying to get things moving while tomorrow is soon enough to begin as far as everyone else is concerned.

          2. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 3:49pm

            But to be honest john, it could well be to shut us up but we wouldn’t even be getting that had the last government remain so weither we like it or not it is progress, can we really afford to pick and choose who gives it?
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            Yes I agree, it should be easier but we all know it won’t be because the CoE will do all in it’s power to stop it Even though it most like wouldn’t involve them.
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            However they not only have a problem with us being able to choose marriage they just don’t want us to use the word.

      2. Steve, it’s the LibDems – bless them – who have made this solemn pledge to the gay electorate

    2. The stonewall draft was made up , I guess to make a point on the painfully slow consultation process. There’s a few more weeks in July for them to produce something, it’s anybody’s guess what it will be, perhpas it’ll be just a one liner reconfirming their previous statement and telling us that something, perhaps. might happen at some future date which will be unspecified,,,I wonder if they have worked out who the stakeholders are yet who have show an interest in it, it’s probably made up of Stonewall , CofE and the Catholic Church…my god, we really are in good hands , aren’t we?

  6. There is no rational reason to ban us from civil marriage equality. People claim that CPs are the equivalent to marriage. Well, if that’s the case, why aren’t they recognised under the marriage law as such? Proof positive they’re separate and unequal. If they were recognised as legal marriages we wouldn’t need a consultation.

    1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 3:55pm

      Truth is is CP’s were equivalent to marriage why the campaign to make both more Equal?
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      Agree with you Robert but sadly we need a consultation to stop religions from stalling time after time with this.
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      I’m guessing without a consultation the religion will push and push for possibly decades before we finally get Equality.
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      At least with a consultation all the legal wrangling can be put right so they can come in in a matter of a couple of years.

      1. JST ….a consultation doesn’t mean the govt is going to bring in marriage equality, it’s neither Cameron’s or Tory party policy, only the lib dems have a policy on marriage equality along side the Greens…a consultation isn’t an actual bill, there is no timetable attached to the consultation and at the moment we know nothing about the consultation, why so much faith in it and with what it can achieve? The “religious” CP change was done a long time before any consultation process and as for the CP act I always thought that this was a private bill. The legality was sorted out in parliament, bits were dropped and added etc… Only a bill can bring us marriage equality and I don’t see where in any promise from the coalition govt that is going to happen. Don’t get confused by what is coaltiion policy and party policy. If the lib dems what to give us marriage equaity by 2015 then at the moment the govt isn’t saying this, only them!

        1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 5:20pm

          I’m not getting confused but I repeat a comment you clearly ignored:-
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          “it could well be to shut us up but we wouldn’t even be getting that had the last government remain so weither we like it or not it is progress, can we really afford to pick and choose who gives it?”

          1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 5:23pm

            Had Labour remained we wouldn’t even be discussing this Equality in government until at least 2015 or even passed 2020 if the Tories get back in.
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            So better we have this consultation now.
            Is it right to pick and choose who does it?
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            Would you rather it wasn’t discussed under this coalition at all?

  7. This petition might garner a bit more support if someone like Stephen Fry were to ask his twitter fans in Britain to sign up. Please could someone tweet him, as I’m not on twitter myself. Thanks.

    1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2011, 5:21pm

      I totally agree, dave.
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      He would actually be the best person to get the ball rolling on this.

  8. yes, uk must continue to move forward diligently and fervently, in human rights and civil rights directions, we cannot allow even one person or familiy to be harmed by unfairness and disscrimination, and defamation, thats how serious the problem of bigotry and the damage it does is, people deserve to live there lives in peace and happiness with the people they love, and not be harrassed in any way by anyone. hate groups must answer for the tears and years of abuse they has caused masses of people from all over, this stand must set the standard everywhere across the nation equiality and fairness,people need to get on with their lives and leave others alone, the obssession by the heteresexual bigots with the gay famiies, it has to be made to s top these people spend their entire lives embedded in nosiness and jealousy and intimidation of gay people their own marriages a national desaster, and y;et they spend hippocritoal time bothering others instead of trying to be better human beings

  9. uk must move forward in implementing more overhauls in their overall make of of political officiala and business counsels and throught the city boards you must be a genuine human rights equal rights good persoan , and about all the people in order to delegate and impleimaent actions and programs that keep families in peace and safe and treated fairly, electing good democrated gay and hetersexu;la men and women, all must paramount to being placed on boards , in management in busenesses and in politics, this eleminated abuses , of others because your people are genuine humanity genuinely concerned and not racist and bigooted terrrorist that want the nation at war and harming one another , care nothing for children and their futures in the evil vile world, someone must start to care and more rising up and saying no more unfairness, we must bring awareness, no more sitting silence, we must raise i voices, we must make and elect better choices, for our famiilies peace and wellbieng equalit

  10. Happily signed

  11. Peter & Michael 14 Jul 2011, 9:18pm

    We signed too!, the sooner the better we say.

  12. ;yes actions must be take everyday for equality , and human rights, if they would not have been fought in the beginning of time all minorities and women would not even have a voice , because of what bigotry of white men against women and minorites tried to violate forever, their rights to have a voiece and a vote, abraham lincoln , mad a positive contribution against them to move the country and nation in a positve directions righting wrongs, our nation has digressed massively, people have let down what protected them in the first place, and they must now never put civil right, human and individual and equal rights down again, never not take action, everywhere racism and bigotry is terroiesm, and evil, the nation must right the wrongs, aclu you must get the bachmans for defamation and abuse, and all other entities, and file suit on the military as promised for continued harrassments, and instigated bigotry violations, the system must be fixed , right now. everywhere in texas to!

  13. Spanner1960 15 Jul 2011, 8:54am

    I was just about to sign it until I saw this damn fool caveat about continuing CP’s and allowing straights. Totally and utterly pointless. CP’s are and always were a second-rate alternative.
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    A marriage is a marriage, whether it is religious or secular and it is a complete farce to run two almost identical processes in parallel. It serves no practical purpose and costs in time, money and effort.

    1. Jock S. Trap 15 Jul 2011, 9:47am

      So sign it for marriage then, it’s foolish to refuse to sign for Equaliy just because you disagree with CPs.
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      Surely people should have the choice they want and as long as people want them they are relevent and entitled.

      1. Spanner1960 15 Jul 2011, 1:36pm

        I refuse to sign it on the grounds that it leaves that option open, and they will continue to ‘consult’ and prevaricate and stall and then come out with some other fudge.
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        It’s marriage for everyone, or they can go fcuk themselves.

        1. Jock S. Trap 15 Jul 2011, 2:19pm

          And what about the many straight people who actually wish to have a CP?
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          Oh well your choice, I guess least others will sign for your right.

          1. Spanner1960 15 Jul 2011, 10:13pm

            My question is WHY!!?
            What would they expect to gain from a sub-rate CP that they couldn’t already have from a conventional marriage?
            These people are fcukwits that just want something simply because they have been told they can’t have it.
            Meanwhile, the rest of us that can have it don’t actually want it.

          2. Jock S. Trap 16 Jul 2011, 9:20am

            To you it might be sub-rate but to other perfect, either way I don’t see the point in the name calling esp as this is about Equality and choice.
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            Everybody is different.

        2. Spanner1960 16 Jul 2011, 1:19pm

          You still haven’t answered my question.
          What do CP’s have that conventional marriages don’t?

    2. I have signed the petition for full civil marriage equality I personally think CP’s were introduced as a red herring in a desperate attempt to prevent gay couples having access to marriage but as CP’s have already been invented and as CP’s apparently do seem to suit some couples while even some heterosexual couples who are barred from having CP’s would also like access to them, then I am all for equal choice for all, I support equality and I support the petition in it’s entirety.

      1. Spanner1960 15 Jul 2011, 1:39pm

        The words from Tatchell himself: ““There is no justification for having two mutually exclusive and discriminatory systems.”

        Precisely. No ifs, no buts, no half-measures, no bullsh|t.
        Just offer one solution for everyone. Job done.

        1. Jock S. Trap 15 Jul 2011, 2:23pm

          Thing is marriage is falling out of favour with Straight couple who are looking to the Civil Partnership option, do we have the right to deny them?
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          Clearly people are looking at alternative options to marriage but I’d rather marriage and CP’s were made an Equality option than the whole marriage system changed to accommodate the LGBT community.
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          It doesn’t need changing just Equal.

          1. Jock S. Trap 15 Jul 2011, 2:24pm

            sorry Straight couples, I do mean more than one couple.

          2. Spanner1960 15 Jul 2011, 10:16pm

            If it wasn’t for the whole denial of gay marriage, there wouldn’t even BE such a thing as Civil Partnerships.
            They serve no purpose whatsoever above and beyond what a conventional marriage offers.

          3. Spanner1960 15 Jul 2011, 10:17pm

            If it wasn’t for the whole denial of gay marriage, there wouldn’t even BE such a thing as Civil Partnerships.
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            They serve no purpose whatsoever above and beyond what a conventional marriage offers.

          4. Jock S. Trap 16 Jul 2011, 9:22am

            That may be true Spanner, I can’t deny that but still it is there and straight couples are interested in it, do we really have the right to deny them?
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            Who knows it might end up being that CP’s are removed but in the mean time if it’s what gets us Equality on marriage do we really need to nit-pick?

          5. Spanner1960 16 Jul 2011, 1:23pm

            I think it is important to strongly delineate the differences, and the fact the government has tried to fob us off with an inferior alternative, rather than forget about it and pretend it never happened. We have been demonstratably ostracised, and somebody needs to answer for it. And by your very statement “It doesn’t need changing just Equal.”, if they are equal, why have two options?

          6. Jock S. Trap 17 Jul 2011, 9:43am

            My “It doesn’t need changing just Equal.” statement was referring to marriage after the comment “I’d rather marriage and CP’s were made an Equality option than the whole marriage system changed to accommodate the LGBT community.”

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