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MP complains over anti-gay preacher’s UK visit

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  1. Jock S. Trap 7 Jul 2011, 3:27pm

    It’s a good point and one that the Home Secretary needs to answer.

    It’s not good enough to consider Christian extremists whilst not Muslim ones.

    They all do harm and they all need to be banned!

    1. burningworm 7 Jul 2011, 6:21pm

      Its even more interesting that this story has so few comments. When Muslim and gay are tagged together its a messaging flurry.

      I see a pattern emerging!

      1. Burninvworm its.true spanner will only.commenf on brown people. There are a lot of bnp types here everyome knowsits full of hypermasculine poofters

        1. Spanner1960 8 Jul 2011, 9:12am

          I simply hadn’t had time to reply.
          As far as I am concerned, the man is a bigot and should not be allowed entry just like many Muslims.
          .
          I really don’t like your inference that I am racist; I am simply supportive of the British way of life, so I am against any external influence from any country, whatever colour they happen to be. You might have already noticed my anti-EU posture, and they are all white, right wing Europeans, and I despise them even more so.

      2. @Burningworm

        I was busy with campaigning online elsewhere yesterday

    2. same goes for those dancehall artist who are allowed into the Uk who pedal their filth and hatred of LGBT people in their music.

      Gav

    3. All need to be banned on their own merits and this one seems to fulfil the bill.

      Has someone asked Theresa May to ban him?

    4. This porky homophobic pig should be denied entry to the UK and sent packing.

  2. jamestoronto 7 Jul 2011, 4:09pm

    Every country has its own crop of home-grown hateful bigots. Why import one?

  3. Alf N. Spit 7 Jul 2011, 4:27pm

    How much are the tickets? A lot I expect.

    Still it would be interesting to hear him justify his reported view that the Antichrist will be a gay Jewish blasphemer. But not in our backyard!

  4. American Christians have gone insane over gay marriage in America. Do not let them into your country, they are trouble makes who go there to stir up the haters like they do in America. They are no better that the Muslims who try to get people to turn against the gays in the name of their terrorist god. Kick the crazy religious Christians out of your country before they make trouble that cost you more than you can afford.

    1. “American Christians have gone insane over gay marriage in America”
      .
      Well the Fundamentalist Evangelcial Types already were insane, and it appears now, their paranoia has gone into outer orbit.
      .
      Let it!!!

    2. Take a minute to remember the harm done by American evangelists in Uganda.

      Looks to me like Labour MP Richard Burden is on his toes. Good man.

      1. George Broadhead 8 Jul 2011, 9:07am

        But don’t forget the support for the Ugandan anti-homosexual bill given by the Anglican Church in that country

        1. Christians Are Loving, Gentle People:

          http://tinyurl.com/3ga6mbd

      2. Burden is only fussed by this because his pet anti-Semite homophobe was barred entry.

        1. Absolutely. He is a remarkably keen enabler of Islam in this country.

  5. all countries and cities, you must ban and reprimand all fals e propehet , these hate ministers from inciting and instigationg violence ad hate crimes, when they come into comminties and spill poison of hate into families, people children and other end up breaking out in wars , murders, and all sorts of evil because of these hate mongering wicked pastors who are not really real christian pastors at all , there is nothng angelic about them , their evil and malishcius, and speak hate into others, that poison, all of the hate mongering false pastors has to be stoped, and richard burden the mp had better get with londen and other countries trying to have peace countries and keep them out of there, and reprimand and problems that they cause for families and in families, these men the media has already found have been doing evil like sex trafficking in their own lives, do research and put it in their face, but get them out of the faces of the people and their children, stop instigated wars

    1. Alf N. Spit 7 Jul 2011, 4:37pm

      Even trolls should stop for a breath now and then.

    2. Paddyswurds 7 Jul 2011, 8:46pm

      @carrie….
      …..eh?

  6. A possible distinction may well be that this individual has stopped short of advocating the murder of gay people, unlike some of his militant Islamic equivalents.
    .
    Why anybody (specially in this country) would pay to hear this sort of drivel is beyond me, but I suppose there’s no bottom limit to human stupidity sometimes.

    1. Anti-Hagee 7 Jul 2011, 4:47pm

      Raed Salah, who Burden was to host in the commons, called homosexuality a “great crime”.

      I think religious people are entitled to talk about homosexuality being sinful, if they want. That’s their view.

      I also think that they cross the line when they campaign against equality, which Hagee certainly has.

      However, treating homosexuality as a crime, or suggesting that gays should be punished, is far far over that line. Burden had no problem with it, however.

      1. If religious people are entitled to talk about homosexuality being sinful, if they want, should they also be entitled to say LGBT people will burn in hell? Logically yes. Should they be entitled to say that all others should spurn them? Logically yes. Should they be entitled to say that all others should cast stone on them? The trouble with allowing religious people not only the freedom to think what they want, with which I agree, but also to express their thoughts, where does it end? At the point where their hatred turns into urging others to behave intolerantly, let alone violently, towards LGBT people. They should be free to express disgust at LGBT sexual practices but that should be the limit.

  7. Anti-Hagee 7 Jul 2011, 4:35pm

    Burden is playing quite a dangerous game. He raises Hagee, not because he wants to ban him because he thinks that the non-banning of Hagee proves that Raed Salah shouldn’t be banned either.

    As far as I’m concerned, I’d be delighted if Hagee was banned. If he was banned, pretty much every foreign Islamist who Burden has worked with for the last few years would also have to be banned. It sets the bar very low.

    There’s a difference though.

    Hagee’s views are reported here. They’re obnoxious. However, they’re not nearly in the same ballpark as Raed Salah:

    http://stephensizer.blogspot.com/2011/07/pastor-john-hagee-sheikh-raed-salah-and.html

    Some of these statements, revolting though they are, are unfortunately part of ordinary Christian theology: such as the belief that “the Jews” were involved in the death of Jesus. What is significant, however, is that Hagee doesn’t extrapolate from those beliefs to argue that Jews today should be punished for killing Jesus.

    1. Anti-Hagee 7 Jul 2011, 4:39pm

      Similarly, Hagee’s nasty and stupid belief that “Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by rebelling against God” is one that some Jewish theologians share: because it is the only explanation which “makes sense” if you think that bad things happen for a reason.

      In addition, Hagee has since apologised for these views.

      By contrast, Raed Salah has allowed his UK defenders lyingly to deny his many racist statements.

      It is also pretty ironic that Burden is campaigning against Hagee for his racism and homophobia – but he was quite happy to host the racist and homophobic Raed Salah in the House of Commons.

      Raed Salah’s political party also publicly mourned Bin Laden as a “martyr”, and called the marines who killed him “satanic”.

      http://www.pls48.net/default.asp?ID=70934

      That’s pretty bad.

  8. He’s an avowed anti-equality bigot and I suspect he’ll use his appearance to paint a very bad scenario for countries accepting and tolerating gay people. He’s an opponent of same-sex marriage too as well as a hate-monger and a public nuisance. He should be banned. We have enough lunatics in our own country without adding oil to the fire.

    One of his quotes…” “[Gay marriage] will open the door to incest, to polygamy, and every conceivable marriage arrangement demented minds can possibly conceive. If God does not then punish America, He will have to apologise to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

    That’s just one of many.

    1. Sweet Jesus (as it were)! I know I’ve remarked on this before and it’s not wholly relevant here, but it never fails to astonish me that these twits are so concerned about polygamy when the Old Testament is full of it, most notably the prophet and patriarch Jacob (children by two wives, who were sisters, and their two handmaids).

      1. Alf N. Spit 7 Jul 2011, 4:54pm

        Well if it’s true he’s divorced, in religious terms he has 2 wives or is an adulterer.

        1. Sorry, off-topic, but I thought adultery for men – in Biblical terms – is only if you have sex with another man’s wife? Marriage in religious terms, as a sacrament, comes in quite late (c1545) in Christian history, doesn’t it?

          1. Alf N. Spit 8 Jul 2011, 1:02am

            Don’t know, but I’m talking of the church concept that marriage is for life, divorce is not recognised. I have no idea when that came in!

  9. Alf N. Spit 7 Jul 2011, 4:51pm

    Hey it’s only £10 plus hotel for 3 nights!

    1. Alf N. Spit 8 Jul 2011, 1:03am

      Oh but I wonder if they get you all blissed up and ready to donate…

  10. Rehan, they disregard biblical references that they’re not comfortable with. They’re all a bunch of hypocrites, cafeteria “christians”, picking and choosing this and that to believe in. He should be banned, full stop. I’ve written to Richard Burden urging him to keep pushing for it. We should all bombard Theresa May with emails too.

  11. Clearly Theresa May is unconcerned that this tosser might stir up hatred against the LBGT community.We mustn’t allow Islamic extremists into the country,of course not.But equally we should be vehementally opposed to this ‘preacher’ entering the country! The home secretary MUST act to ban his admission to Britain!

  12. This is the simplest thing to answer.

    Theresa may is homophobic and always has been. The entire Tory govt is homophobic.

    1. Spanner1960 8 Jul 2011, 9:17am

      Oh stop being a twat. What is LGBTory then?
      .
      Alan Duncan is gay and on the Tory cabinet for chrissakes..

      1. What is LGBTory? A bunch of twats who’ve forgotten who has been legislating against them for the last century. If you support the Tories, you are a twat yourself. And as for the immigration issue, like Labour they have done zilch.

        1. On the other hand, having LGBT representatives in the Tory party is likely to influence their policies in future. Maybe not such a bunch of twats after all. Besides, being gay doesn’t automatically mean a person susbcribes to left wing policy any more than would being a straight person.

          1. Unless you are in the top five per cent of earners, or hope to be (or have convinced yourself that you will be), you have no business voting Tory. The party exists solely to benefit one tiny stratum of society, but they have convinced the gullible that everyone will be better off if they themselves become richer. But people are smarter than they give them credit for. That’s why, even with a decaying Labour government, the Tories still couldn’t get in with a majority of votes. They are hated, and rightly so.

          2. Jock S. Trap 12 Jul 2011, 3:43pm

            Indeed Jeremy!

          3. Jock S. Trap 12 Jul 2011, 3:44pm

            Funny, I thought the reason people voted full stop was because we lived in a democracy…. silly me.

  13. Because Dolores Umbridge, excuse me, Theresa May, agrees with this preacher. At least, that’s what her voting record would suggest.

  14. Resource Page on John Hagee and Christian Zionism
    http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/2/141343/402/

  15. It’s anyone’s guess if The News of The World will print something about this.

  16. He should be allowed as here in the UK, we vaue free speech on these things, we dont allow extremists, but this guy should be allowed in, as he causes no harm.

    1. Alf N. Spit 8 Jul 2011, 1:08am

      But he hurts my eyes and ears. And he’s so fat. He reminds me of the fat exploding man in The Meaning of Life. And that song about Money in The film Cabaret that has a line about ‘fat little pastors’.

    2. No harm? He has been filling American air waves for decades with his anti-gay hate. Thanks to his efforts, young people get to hear themselves demonized (literally, condemned by him as “demonic”) and LGBT teen suicide rates continue to far exceed their straight peers.
      Bar him as soon as practicable. He is toxic.

  17. de Villiers 8 Jul 2011, 1:24pm

    Does it make a difference in legal terms if the preacher preaches against homosexuality as a principle but does not advocate violence against gay people themselves?
    .
    Is there also a difference between speaking out against homosexuality and speaking out against religion in the manner of Richard Dawkins? Both may be said to be an attack on the concept rather than the individuals themselves.

    1. If you believe homosexuality is either a matter of nurture or personal choice (and to preach against it, you’d have to believe so), then I suppose there isn’t.
      .
      But it could be argued that the only way of not advocating violence by preaching against it is to promote conversion, and that could be considered psychological violence, couldn’t it?

  18. “The government makes no apologies for refusing people access to the UK if we believe they might seek to undermine our society.”
    Unless you’re a terrorist in which case the more the merrier

    1. if that were the case then your country wouldn’t be overrun & on the verge of being taken over by people from the middle east—–tisk tisk—–you guys should have closed your doors yeeeaaarrrrsss ago!!

  19. worth an email to Chris.Baldock@thsh.co.uk I think ….!

  20. The UK would be smart to ban American Christians who preach hate and violence against gays or any religion, from getting into their country to stir up trouble.

  21. Bye bye liberty.

    1. Hello civilised society.

  22. That’s why this country & every other country is going to He** in a hand basket—-bunch of faithless, unreligious know it alls!!!!! That’s why your country has no countrol of your youths!! It’s ok if your child gets knocked up & moves into a council house & is UNMARRIED or does drugs, or is gay—oh by all means!!! Let’s open the door to them & pay for them the rest of their lives—–but if their is a couple (man & woman & one being from another country) who want to get married you guys screw the he** out of them to prevent it—-but it’s ok if people come in from other countries & shack with the people of your country & pop a few dozen kids that you all have to pay for!!!!!—– never mind people who want to live decent Christian lives—————you all are a bunch of lazy bigots

  23. Yes, I’m sure Hagee’s views on Islam and Muslims would be entertaining to hear.

  24. Hagee would make a nice plump boyfriend for you Rich, why don’t you go along to his daft event and see if you can meet him after the show for a 121.

  25. It is true to say that Dick Burden is only upset by this because his pet anti-Semite homophobe was barred entry, don’t go lionising him as a champion.

  26. The above wasin reply to Rich the troll whose comment has now been removed.

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