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  1. Stuart Neyton 1 Jul 2011, 4:31pm

    I’d rather all tories were banned from pride given the lives ruined by section 28 and, until recently, opposition to progress on LGBT rights. But then i don’t really see the point in that.

    Ken may have some nasty friends but he himself has a fantastic record when it comes to the LGBT community, and that’s the important thing. Much better than Boris ever had.

    1. Your comment suggests you believe the Tories are moving in the direction of recognising LGBT rights.

      Ken is going backwards on LGBT rights, that’s the point. Yes, Ken’s history on LGBT rights is to be applauded but recently he has turned his back on his past and is all to happy to welcome extremist and homophobic people to London and deal happily with people that want to execute homosexuals.

      Boris has no links with Iranian TV network (run by the Iranian government and a government that executes homosexuals and forces many to under go a sex change.
      Boris has not recent supported extremist candidates with links to homophobic and extremist European Muslim groups.
      Boris has not invited a single extremist to City Hall, especially those that want gays executed.

      On top of this Ken fails to apologise or even recognise he is doing anything wrong.

      I personally wouldn’t say Ken should be banned from the parade but good on LGBTory for highlighting that Ken’s recent record!

      1. Stuart Neyton 1 Jul 2011, 4:39pm

        Listen darling I dont think you quite understand. Ken is a lovely bloke . Disagree completely. Im off now to paint my nails….

        1. Better not say that if Ken wins in 2012 and brings more homophobic preachers into London, they’ll have you executed in no time. That sees our society moving backwards and Ken is facilitating this by welcoming such people.

          1. How much do they pay you at LGBTtory Luke?

          2. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2011, 8:55am

            Not surprising, eddy two makes yet another completely immature comment!

          3. I know. If only everyone could be as mature as you, Jock Strap, and think what you do.

          4. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2011, 12:08pm

            Yet again, another immature comment.

            It’s not about people thinking the same, it’s about accepting others have a difference of opinion without such childish comments being thrown at them.

            You clearly have no idea how to debate without attacking someone, a typical Ken/Labour ploy, to stop others voicing their opinions.

            Funny how you were the one preaching how good anarchy would be yet you attitude it totally communist!

        2. Dan Filson 1 Jul 2011, 4:44pm

          Ken is indeed a lovely bloke and extremely approachable, and doesn’t fluff and bluster like Boris to avoid any serious accountability at Mayor’s Question time. But the allegation is that Ken keeps dubious company in terms of representatives of overseas regimes and movements. On that charge he has some serious explaining to do. It is not enough to say he supports the liberation causes if those running the causes are monsters. As some involved in the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, for example, sadly are.

          1. He has what explaining Dan pray tell? Lets see how things go :)

        3. Stuart Neyton 1 Jul 2011, 5:07pm

          “Listen darling I dont think you quite understand. Ken is a lovely bloke . Disagree completely. Im off now to paint my nails….”

          I don’t know who wrote this but it wasn’t me – pink news please delete this comment

          1. I am not the same Luke who posted this either:

            “Luke 31 mins ago Report Reply
            He has what explaining Dan pray tell? Lets see how things go “.

        4. LGBTory have no idea who I am because I am not a member of LGBTory or the Conservative Party*

      2. Staircase2 1 Jul 2011, 5:24pm

        READ BETWEEN THE LINES PEOPLE – this is clearly a concerted politically inspired campaign by the Tory HQ to besmirch Ken Livingston’s reputation.
        These ‘stories’ have been CREATED in order to fool people into thinking what they want you to think.

        1. Even Ken’s supporters can’t even admit his recent record is disgusting. Ken will always be holier than thou in their eyes.

          1. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2011, 8:58am

            I have heard recently that there are many that vote Labour at General Elections that won’t be voting for Ken next year.

            Apparently Boris at the moment has a 7 point lead over Ken.

            Here’s hoping that widens… considerably!!

      3. LGBTory have no idea who I am because I am not a member of LGBTory or the Conservative Party.

      4. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2011, 8:54am

        Ken openly invited those preachers when he was In office too.

        Personally I think Ken is too old to be Mayor now, we need fresh talent, not old ‘has beens’.

    2. TrollFromDamascus 1 Jul 2011, 11:06pm

      Stuart Neyton – I’d rather all Greens were banned for being lunatics.

      1. Stuart Neyton 2 Jul 2011, 2:12am

        wow, harsh

      2. de Villiers 2 Jul 2011, 8:39am

        I’d rather no-one was banned from Pride on account on political beliefs.

    3. Trust the nasty party to ruin pride by calling for a ban of people from the parade – Ken Livingstone’s record on lgbt rights is outstanding – Boris seems to have delivered himself a pink stetson on a pride parade and nothing else. This in a year that Homophobic hate crimes are on the increase across London. I ask LGBT Tory – do you call for the ban of David Cameron given his alliance with the homophobic Law and Justice Party in Poland? No? given the violence against LGBT people in Eastern Europe your leader is one of those lending them the most legitimacy. LGBT people are losing out as your Tory Mayor sits silent in the face of cuts affecting our community. If Ken were in City Hall he would have put up a fight against this.

      1. ‘The nasty party’? That would be Labour then I guess?

        Bunch crooks have ruined this country with the corruption and ineptitude. Its going to take 15 years of proper government to things back on track again.

        They should all be bloody locked up.

        And on the subject of Livingston, he did poke all of any good after he rejoined the Labour party. Spineless little whip didn’t have the balls to continue going it on his own.

  2. I wonder what these gay tories think of David Cameron’s record on LGBT equality since they call Ken’s ‘shameful.’

    1. Cameron – apologised for Sec. 28, voted for civil partnerships and sexual orientation regulations. He also supports the equality act and supports civil partnerships to be conducted in religious premises. Cameron’s government has just opened a consultation on same sex marriage. The government is also driving measures to combat homophobic and transphobic bullying in schools and sport. Historic gay convictions are to be deleted (the Freedom bill hasn’t received royal assent yet!) and gay blood ban is being discussed right now. That is what is happening right now.

      Ken – undoubtedly he has a good past record but his recent record, which is more important right now, is disgusting. He would rather bend over backwards to those that want us killed than say no to them. It says a lot to me that does! That is shameful!

      1. These aren’t new, they’ve been building for a while now, if we had a Labour government they would be doing the same things.

        Thankfully we don’t have a Labour government because they would do what they always do and slap down anything to do with gay rights until enough pressure mounts that they have to do something and then only do the bare minimum.

        As for civil partnerships, are you a second class citizen content to accept a second class marriage? I’m not. Equality seems to have been lost somewhere and replaced by compromises and fob offs.

  3. Much as I dislike Ken Livingstone, it does look like the Tories are getting pretty desperate in how to excuse Boris Johnson’s non-appearance at London Pride tomorrow.

    1. Dan Filson 1 Jul 2011, 4:47pm

      Boris should focus on running London proper;y and could try answering questions instead of blustering and waffling. But as to his presence at Pride, I don’t want it and would not value it, as it is not a cause he especially espouses, any more than feminism

  4. Labour’s response is quite laughable.

    What exactly has Boris failed to deliver on in terms of LGBT issues?

    Boris is focusing on homophobia and I think that’s important. Ken obviously doesn’t prioritise this as he welcomes homophobic preachers to London, has links to homophobic regimes in the world and supports homophobic candidates in this country.

    Red Ken would prefer to fund more prides…. with what money I do not know. How about you stop supporting homophobic and extremist candidates? That would be a great start!

    1. what like the Law and Justice Party that Cameron supports in Europe??

      Boris has failed to deliver any opposition to the cuts that are affecting homophobic hate crime support services in London in a year that homophobic hate crimes have gone up. He has withdrawn from soho pride and city hall’s pride reception and stonewall’s equality index. The Mayor of London is a powerful position that has far and wide influence (take Ken’s response after the London Bombings which resonated internationally) – Boris has been succesful in one respect – he has reduced this important position to an incompetent joke. He has to go.

  5. Ken the toad should be banned from society.

    1. I think he was famouly know for his newts

  6. Staircase2 1 Jul 2011, 5:21pm

    This is outrageous politically inspired bollocks.
    The very idea that Ken Livingston ‘should not’ be allowed to March at Pride says more about Tory HQ’s fear that Ken is likely to beat Boris Johnson at the next Mayoral election.
    There are three threads to the argument against him – all of which have been repeated enough times so as to make me believe they are being deliberately planted by Tory HQ to bismirch him.
    (The old Political tool that if you repeat 2-3 things consistently enough then they begin to appear to be the truth)
    Ken Livingston’s record on LGBTQ rights really does speak for itself.
    To suggest otherwise is to either indulge in or to (wilfully) create propaganda.

  7. There’s a lot of people in neighbouring glasshouses chucking stones. If both left and right spent a bit more time sorting out the problems in their own backyard and less time throwing the blame at each other I’d have a lot more respect. They’ve both got a lot of work to do to convince us they’re on our side.

  8. Well now, let’s see how far marriage equality goes and if it passes, then we can assess just how much Cameron has done. My only fear is he’ll cave-in to the religious nutters. Emphasis has to be placed on religious exemption from participating in same-sex marriages form the outset. It has to be stressed over and over so they can’t come back and say it will force them to recognise and participate in them. It has to be a repetitive thread throughout the consultation and beyond.

  9. Cameron also has to stress that this is a purely civil matter and has nothing to do with religion.

  10. Ken ought to apologise for working for Iranian TV. Unfortunately he thinks he can do no wrong.

  11. HelenWilson 1 Jul 2011, 6:22pm

    Both the two main political parties should be banned from Pride these political point scoring squabbles are unacceptable…..I expect an apology to Pride from both side for bringing the event into this…..The Tory party, LGBTory and the Labour party and the Labour LGBT group should be ashamed of themselves…..Judging by this display the LGBT should take no Pride in politics.

  12. Who was the lib dem option again? Sounds like lib dems are going to win the LGBT vote again just like at the general election….anyway personally I’d only vote for a party/representative who have come out in favour of marriage equality and have MPs actually asking raising questions on the issues…amazing that the Tories are slacking off a guy with their history of LGBT rights…I thought this was all about looking forward using NY state as our inpiration……if you want to do something LGBTory then speed try to get Cameron to mention the words marriage equality , he seems scrared stiff of using the words……

  13. Exactly, John! New York should be an inspiration to every country, especially our own. It’s that religion thing again, I think, scaring the bollocks off of them and the wrath of those religious nutters in that anachronistic, unelected House of Lords. We saw how Blair cowered when marriage equality was raised. “Oh no, we don’t want to go that way”, were his words because of offending the bigots in the C of E.

  14. Thank goodness that LibDems have promised to introduce gay marriage by 2015. That’s a hard policy outcome.

    1. At least they are trying, I’ve seen quite a few questions asked by Stephne Gilbert on the topic as well. I think labour is the second choice and at least both leaders from labour and lib dem have stated clearly they want it. Cameron on the other hasn’t. He still has the likes of Tebbit to contend with who recently even wanted the govt not to use the words “equal civil marriage” . Boris or Ken may do a good job in London on the whole but I’d really prefer to have someone whose party full heartily supported equality and actually knew what the word meant. As for the London Pride I’m fairly niffed at their website where I really couldn’t see anything much about marriage equality which is in stark contrast to the Australian mardi gras whose main theme was equal marriage…..The lib dems could do it by 2015 if only there was more noise about it..there seems to be a conspiracy to keep it quiet and pretend it’s not an issue in the UK..

  15. TrollFromDamascus 1 Jul 2011, 11:03pm

    The number of people supporting bloodthirsty Muslim preachers of hate is insane.

    Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi may not be a Tory but that doesn’t make him a lovely chap.

    Get a grip.

  16. torys dont give flying fak about gays but if they want to look modern they have to pretend that they do

  17. dave wainwright 2 Jul 2011, 1:35am

    I for one felt sold out by Mr Livingstone in his actions to secure moslem votes he managed to upset his LGBT following with his invitation to Yusuf al-Qaradawi, I have no faith in ploticians any more and trust none of them .

  18. Pot calling the kettle black. Tories glowingly supported many homophobic dictators in the middle east and around the world

  19. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2011, 8:51am

    Ken attacks but he never apologises for the homophobic people he openly sides with and supports.

    That is what is most notable from all this, not so much what he says as what he leaves out… deliberate? I think so!

    Banning is prehaps a bit harsh but I do agree with the sentiment.

    1. How would they ban someone?

      I found faults in Ken’s comments prior to Pride but they were a lot more inspiring that either of Cameron’s or Boris’. I think he sounds a lot more on the same wavelength of what we want in the future with regards to equality….There was very little to get excited about in Boris’ statement…you’ve got to agree with that.. on what we want for the future alone then Ken’s statement wins handsdown, don’t you think? It’s hard to believe that Ken was ever bad for gay people…it doesn’t sound very believable..

      1. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2011, 9:38am

        I’ll be voting Boris May 2012.

        There is no way I will ever vote Ken again.

        Most of us don’t have such short memories.

  20. burningworm 2 Jul 2011, 9:01am

    What is with this decree of bans?

    What nation is this?

    I know a f’up straight who has terrible views. I don’t banish him from my presence but accept the fact that as a human he is educable, able enough to grow out of what has been inplanted in his mind.

    Ken may have a friend that he agrees with 90% of the time and he may being trying to convince him of the other percent.

    Tory Gay Group HA

  21. Christine Beckett 2 Jul 2011, 9:54am

    It’s quite simple.

    Ken has worked out there are more votes for him in pandering to religious extremists than in supporting LGBT rights.

    To Ken, votes are all that’s EVER mattered.

    And nope, I ain’t a Tory or any other right-winger. I just have a good memory and refuse to deny the facts.


    1. HelenWilson 2 Jul 2011, 1:38pm

      They are all at it ,come Pride they are our best friends and promise us the earth, come whatever religious festival they are their best friends. Politicians are scum period, they have no real sense of right or wrong just who will bring in the most votes….One day we will learn the lessons about this political class.

  22. George Broadhead 2 Jul 2011, 10:18am

    Christine Beckett wrote:
    “It’s quite simple. Ken has worked out there are more votes for him in pandering to religious extremists than in supporting LGBT rights.

    To Ken, votes are all that’s EVER mattered.

    And nope, I ain’t a Tory or any other right-winger. I just have a good memory and refuse to deny the facts.”

    I couldn’t agree more. It is obvious that Livingstone was pandering to the Muslim vote which he deemed much more important than the LGBT one.

    1. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2011, 11:13am

      Well I guess if you get ‘certain’ groups to fund your campaign, telling those within that group to vote for said person they’re funding it works out that it’s not hard to see why said person would pander to them.

  23. “It sounds like the nasty party is back.” Got that right!

  24. I find the whole story bizarre. How can you ban someone from a public event? Its transparently a piece manufactured political posturing.

  25. Pot,kettle,and black are words which spring to mind.After that just Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Gee,ya gotta love those crazy tories,lol.

  26. LGBTory? What a crock.

    Articles starting “Tory gay group says…” can’t be taken seriously.

    The Tories have no gay rights credentials. Even ignoring section 28 which was very recent and which the current PM supported, you only need look at the last general election to see the religious homophobia at the core of the party.

    I refer, of course, to the delightful Philippa Stroud. Her particular brand of evangelical crazy made the news a couple of days before the election. Accusations were made that her church performs exorcisms (that she attends) to rid gays of the demons (that’s right, demons) that are posessing us and making us have gay thoughts. She carefully avoiding an actual denial of the accusations, instead saying she never said homosexuality was an illness (which no one accused her of).

    In an obvious PR stunt, Philip Lardner, who had no chance of winning his seat, was fired by David Cameron but he jumped to the defense of Stroud, who had a chance to win. Thankfully she didn’t.

  27. Ken, for those who believe in progressive London. Boris, for those who like to have an incompetent baffoon as their leader.

  28. Rich, please don’t be cynical about the LibDem promise to introduce marriage for gay people by 2015. Lynne Featherstone is an honest politician and would not have made this promise if it was not going to be kept.

  29. Rich (original) is a bastard who discriminating human beings on the basis of sexuality! Shame on him!

  30. Nothing original there then!!!

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