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Obama still won’t endorse gay marriage

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  1. He must be mad to say that a sick union can ba a good thing! Thankfully he maintains some common sense by saying that he will not endorse this madness.

    1. There are some people in the UK that I know (LGBT and heterosexual) whose preference is a CP over marriage – I don’t see them as mad. They (and me) are fully supportive of equal marriage but feel CP’s should remain for those who wish them.

      1. Stu
        Don’t waste polite and rational responses on hateful emotive drivel like ‘honest”s.

        1. @Riondo

          Well, I try to be polite whenever I can …

          Even in the face of garbage. Sometimes, I’m not as polite as I might be – but I always start out polite ….

          1. Hey people, I can be polite, no problem at all. But it doesn’t take away the fact that homosexuality is a serious disorder. You can jump up-side-down, mock me and hate me, and then conduct your political campaigns with tricky slogans, but it takes a real hero to come out of this shameful life-style and only a person with healthy mentality can say “one sec, what am I doing? I need to get out of this sick life!”. There are many who got out and healed their poor selves, and now recall their past with horror. I am just being honest.

          2. @Riondo

            I do apologise … I should never have been so polite ..

            Seems “honest” can’t read the views of respected health bodies such as PCPsych, WHO, APA (psychol), APA (Psychiatric) who all clearly state that homosexuality is not a disorder … perhaps he should get his sight tested – because he is clearly blind to facts …

          3. Jock S. Trap 1 Jul 2011, 10:44am

            Besides the fact that some are clearly and sadly lacking in education esp with regards ‘homosexuality’ being as normal as heterosexuality, what stands out from this line of arguement is the fact that some clearly believe treating someone badly because they have a disorder is acceptable.
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            I mean do you also treat cancer patients the same or someone with a mental disorder?
            Are children who have been abused, penalised by you too?
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            I think it says more about you that you feel the right to treat people badly, both those like us in the LGBTQ community who have no ‘disorder’ and those who genuinely do.
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            Maybe you should be more ‘honest’ about your own morals before criticising everybody else.

          4. @Jock S Trap

            I entirely agree with you.

            I mean, I do not accept that homosexuality is an affliction or condition or not normal …

            but, the logical conclusion of treating someone differently because you conceive that they are “different” to normal lacks compassion, is patronising and arrogant.

            However, I suspect the barbed comments above weren’t just lacking compassion, patronising and arrogant but based on hatred and prejudice …

  2. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 10:06am

    A fake troll calling himself “honest” should carry Will’s irony disclaimer.

  3. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 10:08am

    Obama is trying to please everyone, which is a dangerous route for a leader to go down.

    1. Absolutely, but he is sitting on the fence a bit with regards to gay marriages. Clearly the anti gay league in the US is far more vociferous in its vocal outpourings than the LGBT community and Obama is bearing this in mind as he thinks of his ’4 more years’.

    2. He is clearly sitting on the fence. I don’t quite take it as pleasing everyone, whilst his refusal to make a firm stance on equal marriage is irritating – he indicates that he believes New York state did the right thing and that his previously held view on civil unions being a preference was evolving and that he is prepared to engage in what he accepts is a frustrating debate suggests he (albeit with one foot inside a closet) supports equal marriage but is not prepared to say it yet. I am sure the religious right take comfort from a lack of commitment on equal marriage but are concerned by the nuance of Obama’s stance. We need to encourage him to progress further and ideally more rapidly. I see him as being on the fence but slowly slipping down the side of equal marriage.

      1. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 5:21pm

        How is that not trying to please everyone?

        1. In the sense that he is slowly (too damn slow) slipping to one side ….

  4. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 10:23am

    No surprise, really what will an Election coming up.
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    Still I’d rather have him than some Republican homophobe.

    1. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 10:29am

      True, but he should speed up the repeal of DOMA, which is a really offensive and unconstitutional piece of legislation. What was Clinton thinking?

      1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 12:51pm

        True!!

  5. Mr Ripley's Asscrack 30 Jun 2011, 10:35am

    ‘Honest’, please bore off! America is the sick union. Its right/right politics lacks any decent level of common sense, it can’t/won’t rid itself of the religionist point of view. I feel sorry for those who voted for Obama and his ‘Change’ campaign. Maybe he should’ve been espousing ‘Same Sh!t, Different Party’ but it’s all we’ve come to expect from them across the pond. Come on, Yellowstone!!

    1. Michael Anthony 1 Jul 2011, 2:39pm

      Don’t feel sorry for us who voted for and support Obama. Considering the alternative, I am amazed that you can even make that statement. He is firmly in our court, but also wise enough to know that the only way marriage will become legal in the US is with patience and time. Do I like it? No, but I am also wise enough to know that is how it must be done.

      Look back to our landmark “Loving vs Virginia”. By the time the US Supreme Court decided that case, about 2/3 of the 50 states allowed inter-racial marriage, BUT, 1/3 still outlawed it. The court saw the changing tide of American opinion and that certainly contributed to the landmark decision. The same will go with gay marriage. It was only recently that for the first time ever, opinion polls now show a majority of Americans supporting gay marriage. We move forward in the fight as we are doing and soon we will have our own “Loving” decision. As I said, I may not like the snail’s pace, but it is progress, amazing progress.

  6. Not much to get excited by then…seems gay people are better off sticking with him than anybody else….don’t know what he means by civil unions, does he actually mean a federal civil union with all the rights of straight married couples. Civil union is a meaningless phrase without telling us what rights he intends to give gay couples…seems to me the Americans are way behind on federal rights for gay couples (as far as I am aware) and I can’t see that is something to be proud of…..It would be great to see them have the word marriage but I’d be even more impressed if they equalised the rights..there really isn’t any excuse for this….In Australia, we don’t have federal civil unions or marriages but we nevertheless have more or less the same social, tax, immigration rights as straight couples/married couples…

  7. Why Obama won’t embrace gay marriage:

    http://tinyurl.com/3jxvdcj

  8. You can change a colour of shepherd dog but sheep are still the same.

  9. Is Obama perfect on LGBT rights? No. Is he the same as the Republicans? He’s not in the same universe.
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    No-one should be under any illusions – a Republican president will be a disaster for LGBs and Ts.
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    Parts of the Republican Party want to recriminalise homosexuality. It’s official party policy in Texas and Montana. At least one Republican presidential candidate believes states should be able to criminalise us.
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    Most of the Republican presidential candidates believe that the US Constitution should be amended to prevent same-sex marriage ever being recognised by the federal government, and all the main Republican candidates believe DOMA should be retained. They want to ensure that our families are never recognised by the federal government.
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    etc. etc.
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    We can never forget that a Republican president will try to wreck our families and roll back social acceptance.

  10. It’s political suicide for any president to support marriage equality. He may quite possibly support it personally, but to make it public would be disaster given the political and religious climate in America.

    He said it’s a good thing that New York legalised it. In a way, it could be construed it was a veiled message to gay voters to say he supports it although not outright.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 12:54pm

      Yes, indeed.
      Maybe on his second term when he has nothing to loose, we might get more positive comments but right now I suspect they view any acceptance as the Republican right free for all on their usual dirty election campaigns, using homophobia as a tool.

  11. maybe on a second term?
    Portugal’s PM endorsed gay marriage into his election manifesto and won! It is time Barack makes a decision on this issue!

  12. The man is totally spineless.
    History will remember him as indecisive and cowardly if not careful.

  13. Although Obama many not be “evolving” as quickly as some of us would like him to, does anyone seriously think that this is a viable alternative?

    “Bachmann’s Husband Calls Homosexuals ‘Barbarians’ Who ‘Need To Be Educated’ And ‘Disciplined’”

    http://tinyurl.com/3setfcs

    1. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 2:33pm

      Some poor sod actually married that harridan? I bet she keeps his balls in a jar in the kitchen.

  14. Obama is an expert in US Constitutional law. He knows damn well that this is not an issue left up to each state to debate and decide. He’s already acknowledged that DOMA is unconstitutional.

    I understand that supporting marriage equality may not be politically advantageous for him, but his current position is unethical, unsupportable and before the end of this decade will be decidedly unconstitutional. It is hard to support someone who can hold up such an untenable position for his own political advantage. It means that he has no integrity and no devotion to truth.

    1. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 5:25pm

      In other words he’s a politician.

      1. I thought that was a requirement of his role?

  15. I suspect he’ll declare support after he’s re-elected. When former republican Vice President Dick Cheney left office, he came out in support of it, as did former President Bill Clinton long after he left office.

    1. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 5:28pm

      So politicians never say what they believe. How surprising.

  16. I have a question for Pink News – why do you INSIST on referring to ‘gay marriage’?

    It is called ‘marriage equality’.
    Stop playing into the homophobes’ hands!

    1. Alf N. Spit 30 Jun 2011, 5:29pm

      Shouldn’t it be marital equality?

      1. equal marriage or marital equality would make the most linguistic sense …

    2. Agreed Steve. This is about equality. The idea that we want some kind of special gay marriage misses the point. Something “equal but different” is precisely what we have now. We want full equality not a crafty workaround that is marriage in all but name. A solution that keeps us separate and panders to the bigots’ bigotry.

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