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Peter Tatchell: Holding LGBT conference in Israel will inflame homophobia

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  1. Stuart Grout 27 Jun 2011, 7:23pm

    Wouldn’t it be easier for people trying to organise these events if Peter and his friends could just give a list of “approved” countries.

    I’m sure there must be a country that doesn’t trample all over the rights of any group where all future meetings can be held.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 8:48am

      Do we need ‘approved’ countries for homophobic countries to attend a LGBT conference?

      1. Well clearly some think Israel isnt appropriate … although I do believe Israel should be rightly subject to significant criticism, I do not think this is a reason to not hold a gay assembly there …
        If we were to have a list of acceptable countries, who would decide this, and what would the criteria be … Would any country be able to comply with the criteria? If not, why not use it as an opportunity to both comgratulate Israel on its LGBT record and urge it to improve its wider human rights record?

  2. Israel rightly needs condemnation for its general human rights record. It also deserve plaudits for its LGBT rights record.
    I know that no country is perfect in its application of human rights but Israel is particularly heinous in general – but as Peter rightly points out there are numerous other annexations that could also be justifiably condemned.
    I would question the impact an LGBT youth group not holding their conference in Israel would have on Israeli human rights however – I do not think they are that influential.

  3. TrollFromDamascus 27 Jun 2011, 9:56pm

    Israel is nothing like South Africa:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Israel

    Only when people treat Israel in the same way as other countries – equal – can they hope to influence its foreign policy (Gaza).

    Calling Israel “Apartheid”, comparing it to Apartheid South Africa and trying to boycott it shows how fantical these people and Tatchell are.

    1. Arguably annexing is as bad as the actions of Apertheid in South Africa and in other ways worse.
      Israel are the only national to be permanently listed as an agenda item on the UN Human Rights council meetings – over 140 nations voted in favour of that and less than 10 voted against … speaks volumes to me

      1. TrollFromDamascus 27 Jun 2011, 11:29pm

        “srael are the only national to be permanently listed as an agenda item on the UN Human Rights council meetings – over 140 nations voted in favour of that and less than 10 voted against … speaks volumes to me”

        Or speaks volumes about the obsession with Israel/Jews. The HRC is a joke – they outlawed criticising Islam last year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_of_religions_and_the_United_Nations

        They’re obsessed with Israel when there’s nations doing much worse. Why do you think that is?

        1. 140 nations – not just the UNHRC …

          Look also at the independent press

          UNHRC is not a joke – look at the recent S African resolution on LGBT rights.

          Israel is not whiter than white it is not blameless and has tortured and killed many unjustifiably. It has stormed aid ships. It has coordinated attacks against civilians. It has prevented red cross access at times.

          Thats not to say it hasnt faced its own issues – suicide bombings, incursions and threats to its security but the approach Israel has had is not resolving the problem – and they fail to effectively engage with international mediators to try and resolve the problems

          1. Yes, the Arab nations (how many are there?) have been very effective in using the UN as a propaganda tool against the Jewish nation (how many?). The truth is that in order to prevent another genocide, Israel grabbed the wolf by the ears. Frankly, I’m tired of hearing from people who are only critical of Israel when few nations have the level of freedom, equality and opportunity found in Israel. Especially when gay people are defending countries that still have the death penalty for homosexual acts. Ludicrous.

          2. This is the same UNHRC who have recently brought a resolution under South Africa to support LGBT rights globally.

            We congratulated them then as LGBT communities.

            Strange how when politically some are allies of a country being criticized by the UNHRC – they seek to belittle it on decisions they either for political reasons, prejudice or some other reasons disagree with.

          3. TrollFromDamascus 29 Jun 2011, 2:11am

            Trying again…

            @Stu the UNHRC is a joke. The vote was passed 23 votes in favor, 19 opposed and three abstentions. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

            Ban Ki Moon said of the UNHRC “The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council’s decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world.”

            Only those with a grudge or obsession against Israel defend the blatant delegitimization of the country.

          4. @TrollfromDamascus
            That is an accurate quote from Ban Ki Moon. I think it is useful to contrast that against a comment from Kofi Annan who said (that he agreed that the UNHRC had given a) “disproportionate focus on violations by Israel. Not that Israel should be given a free pass. Absolutely not. But the Council should give the same attention to grave violations committed by other states as well.”
            There is a recognition from Annan of the grave violations of human rights by Israel (and others). Maybe there should be more balance in the UNHRC but that does not begin to account for the human rights abuses of Israel.

          5. TroIlFromDamascus 29 Jun 2011, 9:22am

            What human rights abuses? Do you mean state sponsored torture? Or erecting a fence? Big difference.

          6. @TrollfromDamascus

            Are you questioning the integrity of Annan in his judgement of the Israeli “grave violations”?

            I have given you plenty of suggestions of Israels human rights abuses – you have even suggested on another website that its hardly a crime against humanity one of the abuses I have outlined – shows how much you value human rights ….

          7. TroIlFromDamascus 29 Jun 2011, 10:26am

            Not funding Islamic schools to the same degree as normal state schools isn’t a “crime against humanity” in the traditional sense.

          8. @Trollfromdamascus
            I dont believe thats what Kofi Annan is referrring to …

            I would consider failing to investiagte any allegation of torture to be concerning – to name but one issue.

          9. “Islamic schools to the same degree as normal state schools”

            The opposite to “Islamic schools” are “Normal schools”?

            Normal schools?

            Listen to yourself.

    2. “Israel is nothing like South Africa:”

      Again, the “devil you know” caparrison. If Israel cannot stand and attest to its own human rights record, do not make your argument based on comparisons. “Because he’s worse” arguments make you look ridiculous.

  4. Rich (original) 27 Jun 2011, 11:23pm

    I hope soon all homosexuals will disintegrated in nuclear blast and their ashes will go on the bottom of local sea….

    1. Rich's Dirty Mind 27 Jun 2011, 11:39pm

      And that also means that you will be killed too. That is a pleasing thought though :D

    2. “in nuclear blast”????

      You need to chnage your medication, there’s something wrong with you.

    3. hilarious

    4. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 8:50am

      I’m surprised they allow you to communicate with the outside world…

  5. Peter Tatchell 28 Jun 2011, 5:07am

    This article is a very heavily edited version of my complex, nuanced statement on this issue. To read my full statement click here:
    http://www.petertatchell.net/international/israel/no-lgbti-conference-in-israel.htm

    1. I’m not surprised, Pinknews setting up its own “speak no ill of Israel” type of biased journalism. Watch and see comments being removed becuase they might say something not agreed with but its owners.

      1. I think for from that, Terry

        If you see the comments on this site – you will see some vociferous in defending Israel, and there are some grounds for congratulating Israel on human rights (not many but some). However, the vast majority of comments are either raising concerns about Israeli human rights abuses or balanced saying there is fault with Israel, Palestinians, other Arab states, the UN and others – and that for this situation to be resolved there needs to be a solution that resolves the need for BOTH a Palestinian and an Israeli state that can coincide with peace and security. That is likely to require international mediation to resolve – and that has been happening for decades. Israel and Palestine need to meaningfully engage – each side have stepped forward in different ways in the past – they need to be so positively again.
        I’ve read Peters full article including his link to the IGLYO open letter. I find their letter fair and reasonable given their circumstances …

        1. error – far

      2. … partly given that there were no other nations seeking to hold the assembly and partly because the principles of the organisation are that it should respect the rights of LGBT youth everywhere regardless of the political actions of the governments of the nation those youth are in.
        i appreciate many will find it inappropriate to hold the assembly in Tel Aviv, but I suspect many would also have found Tehran, Riyadh, Moscow, Kampala, Lagos, Nairobi, Shanghai, Lahore, Montego Bay, Port of Spain, Cairo, Damascus, Baku and many more inappropriate.
        The reality is the IGY put in a bid. Israel is LGBT friendly. Their human rights record is appalling but that is not the fault of IGY.
        If we pick and choose international locations should be only have European, US, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Japan and a few other states as hosts (and none of those are perfect on human rights)? Why shouldnt the gay youth of India, China, Russia or Israel be respected by IGLYO?

        1. UkrainianinUSA 28 Jun 2011, 10:39am

          That’s right – only Europe and US, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Japan…

          Because everything is perfect in Europe with gay rights or minority rights (I’m not even going into Eastern European countries with their treatment of lgbt and Roma populations. Or how about UK, US, and Australia – does bombing innocent civilians in the Middle East count? What about South Africa? Well, I guess it’s ok if you don’t mind the “corrective” rape and a very high level of homophobia. Japan? Gays have any serious rights in Japan?

          So, you’re pretty much just left with Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Netherlands, and Belgium? Oh, yeah, also Spain and Portugal. I wonder though how many groups will be willing to participate in an org with such a narrowly prescribed forum selection.

          1. If you looked at any of these countries including Belgium, Portugal, Spain and New Zealand hard enough we could find some reason not to attend – and none of those would be the fault of the local LGBT youth organisation should they wish to bid for an assembly there ….

    2. Rich (original) 29 Jun 2011, 9:20pm

      I never criticise PinkNews because they intelligently tolertating my right to free speech and opposition to homosexuals, to their destructive political activism in the world. But your homo-political activism is really sucks!…

      1. A right to oppose homosexuals – think you have your wires crossed there.

        1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 8:52am

          It’s not the wires that are crossed.
          It’s the medication.

      2. “But your homo-political activism is really sucks!…”

        Not half as much as you do on bended knee in a local park at 3am, I’d say….

  6. pouipuiopuipu

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 8:52am

      Erm, yes!

  7. Who elected Peter Tatchell? He doesn’t speak for all gay men and women? I don’t know what process led to Israel being chosen to host this conference, but it happens to be a more forwrad looking country on LGBT rights than many in the rest of the world. If Muslims and others put their politics and religion before the cause for which this event is supposed to be held, they have no business attending in any case. This should not be about the Middle East situation, nor religion, nor anything other than furthering the rights of LGBT people, wherever in the world they live.

    1. Staircase2 28 Jun 2011, 4:45pm

      lol what’s election got to do with comment?
      I don’t speak for the whole of the UK either – but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have the right to vote or write to my MP expressing what I believe to be true or putting my name to a petition.
      We are all entitled to make our views heard – thats the definition of ‘Democracy’.
      If you want to avoid this conference being ‘about the Middle East’ then you would be agreeing with what Peter has written – you can’t avoid is being ‘about the Middle East’ when its placed smack bang right in the middle of the …..er…..Middle East!

    2. I don’t agree with everything Peter Tachell says . But he is kind of wonderful because he gets himself heard !

  8. I wouldn’t want the conference to be held in Israel or wanna be Palestine. Both are filled with lunatics. There’ll never be peace in the middle east. Never has been and never will be. It’s the cooking pot of religious insanity. First judaism, then christianity, then islam, all belief systems from deserts where the people who thought them up had sun stroke.

    1. @Eddy Two

      Genuinely, very funny ;-p

      I hope you are wrong about there NEVER being peace in the Middle East – but I see no sign of improvement (particularly in the Israeli situation) in the immediate future. Although there are some slight improvements to human rights happening following events in Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia etc.

    2. Staircase2 28 Jun 2011, 4:50pm

      Of course there will – when both the Arabs and the Israeli’s decide thats what they want. At the moment there’s not enough of a call for Peace from both sides – when there is it will change overnight.
      Just look at what happened in Germany and Ireland and South Africa as examples of what can be achieved when people want it enough.

  9. Tatchell sings the anti-semitic song typical with left-wing “liberals” whether they be American, British, German, or whatever.
    The Hamas has the determined goal to destroy Israel, and they bomb and shell Israel constantly. Typically, no word from Mr. Tatchell on this.
    What if Wales had the expressed goal to destroy England and planted bombs in busses and fired HUNDREDS OF ROCKETS EVERY MONTH on England? What would you do then, Mr. Tatchell?

    1. and so typical of an Israeli apologist, resorting to gutter level accusations & smears of anti-Semitism where none exists.
      Change the record Matt, the world is quite obviously sick & tired of hearing about how evil HAMAS are and how they’re the cause of all the worlds problems, and how perfect Israel is la de da de da!

    2. Staircase2 28 Jun 2011, 5:01pm

      Its always deeply worrying when anyone uses the phrase, ” left-wing liberals” (which of course says far more about you than it does about the people they’re supposedly talking about: right-wing (read: ‘reactionary’/’knee-jerk’) anti-liberal (read: ‘small minded’ / ‘bigoted’ / ‘fearful’ / ‘fearing change’ / ‘resistant to change/progress’).
      Historically, of course, there WAS a movement within Wales whose goal was anti England.
      The best way to assess a violent situation is to determine who is actually the aggressor in a given situation either specific or historical and to create a safe haven where both sides can air grievances and list requirements without retribution ie facilitate dialogue – which has been the cornerstone of every single peaceful settlement between two warring factions. Whereas the ‘right-wing anti-liberal’ faction has always consistently refused to ‘talk with terrorists’ which of course only prolongs the war. Makes you wonder why they would do that really…….

    3. Rich (original) 29 Jun 2011, 9:34pm

      He will do nothing because England deserves total destruction! The past subjugator of world’s nations deserves death!

      1. Post reported

      2. I see Rich the “original” has dropped his cry of “what about he poor starving children”, and is back to killing anyone not as stupid has him lark. Cookoo.

  10. What does the I stand for in LGBTI?

    1. Intersex? Maybe? Good question tho. Someone puts a new letter on the end of that list every week these days. I’ve said before, one day we’ll have enough letters that make up an anagram of one word that might mean something. Tho it could be a typing error from pink news.

      1. So is it now PC to be LGBT, LGBTI or LGBTQI or something else?

        I did try to look the I up yesterday and couldnt find an answer but was too embarrassed to ask …

        We need another vowel or two to make a word up …

        1. The “Official” is
          Lesbian
          Gay
          Bisexual
          Transgender
          Questioning
          Intersex
          Ally.

          HOWEVER

          It should be
          LGBTQIAPPQA
          With the new characters being
          Polyamorous
          Pansexual
          Queer
          Asexual

          Thats the catch all as far as I can see.

          1. TrollFromDamascus 29 Jun 2011, 1:59am

            Yo’re being sarcastic aren’t you.

  11. Why not instead give the supposedly liberal progressive Israel the opportunity to behave as a civilized country, instead of assuming they’ll by a tyrannical apartheid regime (would be completely out of character… never happened before….)

    LGBTQIA rights and Palestinian rights should go hand in hand.

    1. TrollFromDamascus 29 Jun 2011, 2:00am

      How is Israel not behaving “as a civilized country”? You want it to roll over and be blown up by the islamic terrorists?

      1. No but I expect it to try and participate in finding a solution rather than be instransigent on its human rights violations and cloak them in a smokescreen of security (which is not always accurate or always a reasonable defence)

        1. TroIlFromDamascus 29 Jun 2011, 9:24am

          What human rights violations? Try to find some proof not straight out the Jihad Handbook or the Weekly Worker.

          1. For a start, if you read the entire US State department report instead of just cherry picking the good points it expresses about Israel, then you fill find plenty of allegations of human rights abuses against Israel – some isolate, some systematic, some minor, some major, some investigated, some proven, some disproven, some concerningly univestigated – including all allegations of torture ….

            Now I am far from socialist. I am certainly not a Muslim or of any religion. So your trite and emotional name calling won’t wash with me.

      2. “You want it to roll over and be blown up by the islamic terrorists?”

        Ah, that old fear factor again. Yeah, that one is doing the rounds in the USA too, it has Republicans frothing at the mouth.

    2. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 8:55am

      Gemma
      Totally agree.
      It seems all countries should have the chance to promote Equality.
      Rather than pan them before they’ve even started, I’m all for giving them a chance.

  12. Peter Tatchell 29 Jun 2011, 5:05pm

    Matt, did you read my full statement? I condemned rocket attacks by Hamas on Israeli civilians. The Pink News article is a heavily edited version of my complex, nuanced statement on this issue. To read my full statement click here:
    http://www.petertatchell.net/international/israel/no-lgbti-conference-in-israel.htm

  13. Rich (original) 29 Jun 2011, 9:30pm

    Peter, how dare you to think that Muslims are homosexuals and they want to hold talk with Western homosexual degenerates like yourself?! What a outrageous thinking – even if it is an assumption!….There no single possibility that any Muslim could be a homosexual! Period! Allah made very clear statement on this subject! So, don’t spread the most outrageous slander on Muslims of Arab and non-Arab world!

    1. Rich – cut it you are not a Muslim

      There are gay Muslims out there, whether you like it or not (whether that be you disliking their orientation and the way they were born or their religion)

      There are some very courageous gay Muslims including at least two Imams

      1. Wow, the English got a massive improvement there, didn’t it, Stu? Its like he was magically cured of the linguistic affliction he had, and now he has complete fluency in our wonderful language!

        Fraud.

        1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 8:59am

          Always makes me laugh Rich saying that but whenever I’ve been to the Middle East, Gay Muslims are everywhere, scared to be themselves, yes but still trying as best they can to be themselves.
          -
          Rich, Muslim? A Julie Andrews tribute drag act much more believable… Just seems the type.

        2. Absolutely, almost make you think there were multiple people (or is it personalties?) at play …

    2. GAY muslim here… didn’t realised I needed your approval or anyone other persons…. Allah made me gay, to deny that would be a grave sin!

      1. Welcome AbD

        You certainly were born gay … and you certainly don’t need my permission

  14. Jock S. Trap 30 Jun 2011, 8:47am

    “It will probably mean that some Palestinian, Arab and Muslim delegates will not be able to attend, because of travel restrictions between their countries and Israel.”
    -
    Yeah because what these Muslim countries need is an excuse not to attend a LGBT conference.
    -
    If they don’t attend then they had not intention of doing so in the first place.
    -
    That says more about those particular countries than the one hosting.

    1. you are an ignorant bitter twisted old queen

      1. I would be intrigued of what ignorance you are alleging?

        1. Appears fa is ignorant of the ignorance they allege ….

  15. well, BULL****!! ahm, sorry about the language.. but really.. how the hell nationality and sexuality relate?! WEAKUP CALL! they hate you cos ur gay not cos u went to Israel!!
    and hey, with all the pretty talking, i advise you to go to the so called “occupied” country by Israel, and shout “IM GAY” , then count how many stones knives and fists will hit you, ok?
    But first do the same in Israel, and count the confused, uncared’ laughthing faces that will look at you

  16. It’s the most naive statement I’ve read so far: “If we support Palestinian national rights, the Palestinians are more likely to support the human rights of LGBTIs.” To Islamists, it doesn’t matter to them if LGBT are supportive to their campaign – only allah matters.

  17. It could not be held in an arab country ! Gayness is about been open about one’s sexuality and Islam in practice whatever the Koran or the Haddith actually say isn’t really up to this .

  18. LOL! Another remarkable cut’n’paste comment from Rich the bacteria. What a master of intellect!

  19. @Rich

    I have read some of the Koran …

    I didnt see anything condemning homosexuality in it

    The prophet Mohammed never killed anyone who is gay (as many Muslims will suggest), in fact Mohammeds wife had many gay friends.

    You may claim there is cries against homosexuality in the Hadith – although much of the Hadith (especially the more violent aspects) contradicts the Koran.

    Rich, I suggest you try and read the Koran in Arabic and interpret it …. then you will see you claims are unsubstantiated.

    Although, you’re clearly not a Muslim – so why would you bother …

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