Shameful that individuals can be exempt though, but I suppose Governor Cuomo has to do a deal with the devil to get it done. I hope gays can discriminate against religious opponents to level the field. I wonder how that will play out? Either way, a win today will be a huge victory for marriage equality, everywhere. Lets hope it lights a fire under Cameron’s arse to make it happen here.
Hope it comes into being and then any issues that require ironing out can be dealt with later in court or assembly.
Just received an email from friends in New York. It’s likely to pass before day’s end.
Come on Lady Liberty! I’m really excited for my friends in the States and hope that NY joining the list of states with marriage equality will be another nail in the coffin of discrimination in the US. The licence to marry is granted by the state, the power to solemnise a marriage is granted by the state, there is NO excuse to treat some citizens as second class.
Keep your fingers crossed for us everyone! :)
I hear the negotiators are still ironing out the language of the bill to alleviate the concerns of the undecided senators. Of course it has to do with “religious liberty”. Or the right to discriminate, as sane people call it.
Dana, I hope the concessions Governor Cuomo makes will guarantee at least one vote, two or three would be better. Without getting more “yes” votes, I wouldn’t concede one more thing to the republicans if it doesn’t pass today.
I agree, Robert. It will be interesting to see how all these concessions are reflected in the final vote.
Sadly they still won’t get federal benefits and tax exemptions.
Dana, yes indeed! Getting back to an earlier posting I made. If it passes today, I’m hoping that gay businesses or individuals can and will discriminate against religious people with impunity without facing prosecution or law suits. After all, most of us find their behaviour towards us offencive and against our beliefs which aren’t necessarily religious. Fair is fair.
confused….yes, sadly that is the reality. That is going to make many years to correct. I think there would have to be more than 50% of the American states allowing same-sex marriage for that to be addressed. Even then, there is no guarantee if the status of the Supreme Court is still stacked with five hard line catholic judges out of nine. There is one other who is a moderate progressive, also catholic, plus three Jews I believe.
Religious groups have never been “obliged to perform ceremonies” to anyone. Gay couples will be married only in churches that accept them and at any courthouse of their choosing, just like every other couple.
The Republicans have the power to decide whether a vote will take place AT ALL. Never mind what Mr Cuomo wants. Don’t hold your hopes up.
Always hold your hopes up. If you give up they win.
Friends of mine who went to the state capital, Albany, today to support passage of the bill emailed to say that they were outnumbered by opponents. They were chanting “just say no” in lockstep, drowning out the supporters’ counter demonstration. Sad to think people want to use their religious beliefs to trample on the civil rights of a minority group of people whose only demand is that they be treated equally in accordance with the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution which guarantees the rights of the minority must be protected. They can’t distinguish between religious and secular and clearly don’t understand their own constitution. Its very sad.
“Sad to think people want to use their religious beliefs to trample on the civil rights of a minority group of people whose only demand is that they be treated equally”
Isn’t that what they always do?
Yes it is very sad that people with their own self interests behave like this even those this law would not affect them if they are not LGBTQI.
War fine, killing fine, torture fine, starving people fine, two people loving each other in a committed relationship – ewwww no way, can’t have love showing through.
These religious nuts are warped – plain and simple.
The Bill was delayed but this is interesting our homophobic bigot David Tyree…
Watch the interview – She’s good!!
Sorry though he does talk an absolute load of sh!t!!
If this does not pass then I hope there is a swift protest and sustained civil unrest.
I cannot believe that 31 of these state senators still support Apartheid.
Being polite and campaigning behind the scenes must continue but large-scale, widespread social unrest, as happened in the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960′s must be added to the mix.
These disgusting bigots in the New York State Senate must be told that their legacy will be the same as those bigots who opposed inter-racial marriage.
Interesting interview with David Tyree.-
At least this new reader if a bit more challenging.