absolutely no idea what discrimination laws they have in minnesota or what state it’s in so don’t know whether to be impressed or not …neither know what is allowed or not…sounds like a reasonable response from the spokesperson about the guard given the lack of background behind their laws…..
… Minnesota is a state, twelfth largest, Minneapolis/ St Paul the Twin cities are the main urban centers and is right up on the Canadian border. It has a constitutional ban on gay marriage and is rather conservative in it’s politics, being mostly a Protestant state, altho R. Catholics make up the largest single denomination. It was however one of the first states to pass GLB Equality laws in 1993.
Pretty fair summary, Paddyswurds
Although I would add two things – firstly there is a strong campaign to dilute LGBT rights in Minnesota at the moment and the stance by the club being willing to discipline is good in the context of the current social and political situation in Minnesota but is possibly testimony to a historic leaning towards human rights within certain groups within Minnesota.
Written and verbal reprimand sounds fair I suppose. Although kindly point to the bit in the ten commandments where is says women can’t kiss…I’m pretty sure it isn’t mentioned… (typical dumbass)
Quite. And I don’t see why anybody should pay heed to a Bronze Age code largely aimed at male property owners inclined by inference to like a few too many gods. And, by the by, how does ‘grab-ass’ refer to kissing? Or am I not sufficiently ‘au fait’ with American idiom?
yes im fairly sure “thou shalt not snog your girlfriend at a baseball game” wasnt on that stone tablet…Can i also say that anyone who says “super” that many times (probably in a whiney american accent) needs a slap.
Hahahahahahahaha,well said that man! I can almost hear it now!
Yeah your right martyn is super annoying innit!
I was just thinking that make you sound like a whiny 13 yr old girl
Hmmm,a verbal AND a written warning! Pity they couldn’t just sack the twot! No amount of strongly worded warnings are going to persuade him to alter his views! Don’t they huge tv screens at these venues? Might’ve been an idea to flash this neanderthal’s face up for all to see.That way all the LGBT baseball fans could single him out and have a mass ‘snog-in’ right in front of him!
I’ll bet if you looked at his porn collection you’d find examples of girl on girl action. He was probably just annoyed they didn’t go further.
Or that they didn’t fancy him. After all, pig-ignorant bigotry is SO appealing. Not.
I was there and I saw the whole thing: the two lesbians were in fact two stone butch morbidly stupid women touching each other right there, between their legs, in front of children.Then one of the two masive dykes started to lick the other lesbian’s arse. It was sooooooo booooring. I prefer dwarf porn. So much interesting.
Why do I not believe a word of that?
Couldn’t imagine why, Iris? ;)
No, the comments clearly from someone living in crapsville.
Stone butches don’t let people touch them “right there, between their legs,” that’s sort of the point of being Stone, dummy! :p
…what the fcuk is “stone” butch if you were writing home?
Believe it or not, it’s actually on Wikipedia! The gist of it is that they’re very, very butch and dominating. They sound like they would have floored that guard, so I doubt either of these women was one.
Prehaps it was more about male ego and then not letting him join in?
Seems a typical response when someone’s being turned down.
Another pair of lesbains out to cause trouble and bother for a business.
lol you doughnut
The guard will not be reprimanded. We gay people are on our own and there are no laws to protect our rights since in America we have no civil rights. This is the truth of our situation here in the US. The Christian persecution of GLBT people is accelerating and becoming more violent. The Republican Party is all radical fundamentalist Christians and they will murder all the gay people in the US and the world if they get a chance to do so. One Senator, now a governor, I believe, and several other members of our Congress actually crafted the Ugandan “KIll the gays” bill for that country’s bigoted Christian government, since they cannot legally kill us in the US, yet. I’m sure they are working on ways around that ‘problem’. The Christians will eventually come up with The Final Solution to the gay “problem”. Think not? You think America is a civilized place? Evidence otherwise mounts daily. Pay attention and see for yourseves.
> since in America we have no civil rights
That sounds a bit extreme.
You’re not even a glass half empty person are you – there’s not even a drip in the bottom of your glass – in fact, the glass is shattered, and its not your fault that you knocked it over – its the system that didnt support you, or the church across the road whose bells were too loud and frightened you and you knocked the glass over …
You have no civil rights in the US. Absolute and utter rubbish. Try living in Uganda, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Syria, Iran … thats when you can start talking about a lack of rights. Look at your consitution, look at the civil rights movement, there are states which have equal marriage, there is a gay community with a scene – that is lively and thriving, there is freedom of speech … That was all fought for by people before you such as the Stonewall riots and Harvey Milk etc – don’t belittle what they have achieved as nothing, but seek to grow it …
…. Isn’t Masachussetts in the United States or at least it was when i lived there for ten years?.
Don’t be such a drama queen posting garbage like you did above. I know the conservative christian lobby is voicefirous but they can and will be beaten slowly but surely! It is only the defeatist attitude of people like you that makes the going slow. Make sure you and everyone you can muster votes against these people at ever juncture and you WILL defat them.
……voiciferous, every, defeat, ** obv.
Ah yes Thou shall not kiss ones girlfriend whilst at a baseball game….
What planet does this idiot guard live on.
Religion idea of humanity –
Reward killers – punish love.
Another homophobe who uses christianity to justify his hate. Monotheism is the foundation stone of homophobia.
Yawn Yawn Yawn
Instead of whinging about it, they should have just carried on as if he wasn’t there and see what he would or could have done. Call his ignorant bluff in other words.
Religion is the major factor but not the foundation stone of homophobia.
I don’t agree Jock, monotheism is the foundation stone of a lot of things in the world. And homophobia is just one of them. If you can tell me some other belief system that is used to justify homophobia in the majority of the world then I’ll listen. The only reason why we have any freedom in the west is because the christian faith doesn’t have as much power any more. But if the christian faith were resurged as some people want it to be, then our rights would be taken away. Anywhere in the world where monotheism has power, we have none. And that’s because monotheism is the foundation stone of homophobia.
I think there will always be some in humanity that oppose same sex relationships without religion just as much as some do for other things like race and sex but Religion is a major contributer so I do feel if religion wasn’t about there would be far fewer homophobes and we probably wouldn’t be fighting for Equality.
@Jock S Trap
I agree that if religion didnt exist (in a theoretical moment) then there would be less homophobia. There still would be some. As there still would be some we would still be fighting for equality globally and locally. That said, religion is never going to completely die …
I do agree that religion can be homophobic and has been and for some will continue to be – that does not mean it manafactured or created homophobia which is what I understand being a cornerstone to mean. Also, if it were (which I do not accept) then how do we explain homophobia in mainland China (secular state), North Korea (secular state), Cuba (secular state), Laos (secular state) – could it be a political ideology in these cases – to an extent maybe – but ultimately homophobia is either out of ignorance or a choice regardless of other belief systems.
….exactly, Stu. It’s more a product of ignorance and fear of something not understood!
However we cannot rule out religious belief and theism as a large cause of a lot of the ignorance. All the secular states you mentioned have in the past been colonised and infected with the vile Abrahamic cult fiction and which still permeates those societies altho subconciencously. cuba is however a largly Catholic country even tho supposedly secular. Laos has very strong Muslin influences and these cannot be ignored in assesing these homophobic states.
….Laos being a largly buddist state but has strong Muslim infuences particularly among the ruling classes……
It totally is ignorance or fear and is a choice – it is a mindset, its not something you are born or made – you choose to discriminate and that can be regardless of your political, religious, philosophical or other ideologies.
Absolutely, there is a significant influence of some people of making those decisions to choose to discriminate that comes from within religion but it would be false to suggest that they are the only cause or indeed to original cause.
I accept that Cuba certainly has a Catholic following – although my experiences in Cuba were that the population were much more secular than many communities in the UK.
Laos is mainly Buddhist related to animist religions with Muslims in very small numbers near the border with Burma. I don’t see that there is much monotheist influence in Laotian society.
North Koreas influence in largely Buddhist or Confuscian and their colonisation was largely Soviet or Japanese who are not monotheists themselves.
As for China .
… as for China … it has not been colonized – it has been ruled by the Dynasties and then the Communists and religiosity has been largely ignored in the recent decades. Historically there is influence of Buddhism and Taoism with some worship of sun gods. There is some relatively recent introduction of Christianity and Islam but neither seem to have influence over the ruling classes (other than in Hong Kong).
Thus I agree with you that religion is involved in homophobia (although not all who are religious are homophobic) but due to the attitudes in these countries and others it is plain to me that homophobia transcends other belief systems and I would contend is an attitude of choice that may or may not coincide with other belief systems.
But surely if religion is not inherently homophobic i.e. the Bible, Koran etc isn’t homophobic so therefor it was man that made it homophobic in the first placed proof that homophobia would still exist with out religion
lol What a steaming crock of poo
THINK PEOPLE!!!! THINK! Whats the belief in one God got to do with homophobia?
…..Is that you making a case for polytheism then, Eddy two? lol
I’ll say again: God and Religion are not one and the same thing – the former does not belong to the latter. But the latter is (supposedly) an appreciation of the former!
Oh no! A verbal and written reprimand? How terrible!
If I was this guy’s boss, he’d have been fired immediately. Homophobic harassment and religious proselytising on the job? He should have been fired for either of those.
In my workplace the religious proselytising would have potentially earned an immediate dismissal.
The homophobia would probably have been a final written warning dependent on discipline record and dependent on nature of abuse/homophobia shown.
“Don’t talk, just kiss, let your tongue fool around”…as often as possible. In private, in public in love or just out of spite. Kiss people. It pisses them nut cases off. Hate is not a Christian virtue. Love is.
“the Target Field guard told them: “We don’t play grab-ass here” and ordered them to “adhere to the ten commandments”.”
Isn’t he taking the bit about not coveting your neighbour’s ass a bit too literally?
For me it all depends on my neighbour, though I do often find myself coveting the ass of my neighbour on the cardio machines at the gym.
Sometimes I get the impression that these folk who use the 10 commandments as a stick to beat others with have never applied them themselves.
The whole game is predicated on working on the sabbath, coveting your neighbour’s star players, and I always thought baseball just like football over here was all about “worshipping ‘false’ idols” if by false you mean ‘not a god’.
Maybe he should try a profession which doesn’t conflict with his reverence of the commandments such as Cistertian monk.
I wouldn’t go to a baseball game to kiss, but then I wouldn’t go to a baseball game anyway.
The acid test is would the guy have reprimanded a straight couple doing a similar kiss and would he have mentioned the 10 Commandments (which last time I looked made little mention of kissing at baseball matches).
Good that the guy has been disciplined – the penalty appears proportionate.
Which of the 10 commandments though is he referring?
Give me a break, they paid to get in to have fun at the game and others kiss so why not them? Christian influence and Fascism is raising it ugly head even in a ball park. Discrimination is what that is and I hope they sue the ball park and club for everything they can get and give it to the fight for gay marriage.
Well no if it was ‘raising it’s ugly head’ the guard wouldn’t have been disciplined.
Common sence and decency prevailed.
you tell the guard in the baseball game , he is a damn hippocrite, and the lgbt activists and human rights, and aclu is not going to stand for their nosy , jealous , intimidations, you keep your goddamn eyes on that base ball and not all up in the stands looking around, you are suppose to be dealing with the base ball players not women watching , you nosy ass, and by the way you are a liar, our number one problem is men grabbing ass, sexual harrassment everyday, tell this fool he better check again the jail cells of mens sexual violence get his focus there , and stop his jealous antics against women, we no that what it its. the idiot, they are a couple , and not having sex in the face of famiies, if they want to hold hand and give each other a kiss its none of his damn business, do we need the tv news media to go around all over the nation and take pictures of hetersexual kissing in public and more than that i may add , i see it all the time , he is a bigot , and jeaoulous,