And when he has finished talking about how to “cure” GLBTQ people, let’s ask him about the talking snake and the people getting turned to salt and the voices from burning bushes and all that other nonsensical illogical unfounded garbage that christians tend to spout.
LOL. My favorite stupid story in the bible is the one where women were made from men’s spare ribs.
I always rather liked that one
But they weren’t ‘spare’ ribs – God took one….
How is that different from a scientist taking a cell from a body to create a clone?
Or taking sperm from a man, eggs from a woman and then making an embryo in-vitro?
I don’t honestly see why you would get so het up about a story in the bible. I think these things are interesting. Whether we agree with them or believe in them isn’t relevant.
I am at a loss for words – It is truly shocking that people still buy in to thinking that we can or even should be ‘cured’
Clearly they are the ones in need of being ‘cured’ if they continue to abuse us like this.
What makes them think they have a damn right to ‘cure’ anybody of who they are?
How long before they accept being LGBT is not a disease, an illness that needs to be cured?
Not that I think it’s right that a christian group in china have been employed to try and cure us, it’s as if they still think we have a mental illness, but at least they’re trying to ‘cure’ us and not kill us like the muslims in the middle east.
In a very wrong and bizarre way it is a positive way of looking at it lol
This just makes Hong Kong an international laughing stock.
No. Not Hong Kong. This the view of one man or a small group of gay people who deny their sexuality out of a population of 7 million.
There far greater numbers of people just like him in US
Actually it’s not about just one man.
It’s the Hong Kong government that has hired him.
What about the poor straight people who want to become gay? No mention of them. Seriously though haven’t these people not seen enough evidence of the damage these ‘cures’ can cause.
Oh great. I’m moving to HK for 4 months from August. Guess I’ll be doing some campaigning while I’m there. Get these bigoted homophobes out of government!
Maybe you’ve never been to china? I worked there for a month last year. I was given a state translator for the entire duration of my stay, who I think was actually a spy (for very good reasons), so be careful with your campaigning.
Even someone who may not have been likely to campaign or disrupt Chinese order, when I went there as a medic for a repatriation on behalf of HM Govt there was a constant state translator with the team – and I suspect they were either a spy or would have spied if we had given them reason to
There’s nowt so queer as folk,eh!
I wish the reparative therapy actually worked. I know a couple of straight guys I’d like to try it on.
@Dana: That is a cute comment. I have a bunch of straight ones I like to change too. However, given the men to women ratio difference in China, what is the problem? Most of the men will not be able to find a women.
- quote from China’s ancient “Book of Songs” (1000-700 B.C.)
“When a son is born, let him sleep on the bed,
Clothe him with fine clothes, and give him jade to play…
When a daughter is born, let her sleep on the ground,
Wrap her in common wrappings, and give broken tiles to play…”
I know a couple of gay people I’d like to change. Like EVERYONE in GOProud.
That is an irresponsible thing to say!
I have to say its no surprise, this is a culture that believes ground Rhino horn and tiger bones can give you virility.
This is just another unproven therapy to add to the list.
“cold showers, prayer and abstinence.”
Sounds like the psychiatrists is a witch doctor rather than a medical professional.
Yes, hardly a magic cure, eh?
I was shocked that Hong Kong would do something like this. How depressing.
Iris I agree, depressing is the word.
Although it has to be said, despite Hong Kong looking like a 21st century city, clearly this incident highlights how there are a range of range of mindsets in the government which are humiliatingly and positively medieval.
Maybe they should hire someone who teaches that the earth is flat to add diversity of opinion to their Scientific Community.
IT@S not clear that he was hired to “straighten” gays or am i missing something heren rearative therayi wonder if it will wok the other way round as i know this hunky 20 year old who is quite friendly but say “Ah but unfortunately i’m straight”….lol
what a fcukin mess…..
……Its not clear that he was hired to “straighten” anyoneor am i missing something here. However on this reparative therapy crap, i wonder if it would work tother way round as i know this hunky 20 year old who is quite friendly but always “ah but unfortunately i’m straight”….. he might go for it, you’d never know…..lol
He has been hired to train up Hoing Kong’s social workers how to use “reparative therapy”, so it’s a kind of anti-gay missionary creep now accelerating with Government approval and funding, and although the “therapy” itself is totally daft it can have serious implications for any vulnerable persons it may be used on and it encourages homophobia.
It’s a very worrying development considering homosexuality was decriminalised only as recently as 1991 the Hong Kong Government seems to be slipping backwards.
New Creation Association is a christian group!! The Hong Kong gov. is now controlled by many Christians!! :@
Yep you’re right. More homophobia justified by christianity. Monotheism is the foundation stone of homophobia.
Is this your new little tagline, eddy two
Its becoming very super tired
Its accurate to say some Christians (and other monotheists) including current and historic leaders have been and are homophobic – to extrapolate beyond that or deliberately make statements which suggest such homophobia extends to all Christains (which can be suggested and inferred from your “More homophobia justified by Christianity” comment, is both ignorant and wrong. Its not as simplistic as that – as much as you would like it to be that simplistic. In the same way that calling organisations institutionally racist is lazy as it implies that all members/employees of such organisations are racist and this clearly is not the case; thus suggesting all Christians are homophobes on an institutional basis (which you have done elsewhere) is wrong – ignorant and I suggest damaging to LGBT equality.
The actions in Hong Kong are wrong – totally wrong. The government should be ashamed of themselves.
Hong Kong is supposedly a secular government and to then use religion against someones human rights is wrong. The church involved clearly have no understanding of human rights or dignity as they are acting in ways that no government would be permitted to militarily under the Geneva convention and are torturing these people. The international community must stand up and condemn this.
Stu institutional racism means a culture of racism. an individual may not be racist but the working methods are. Christianity has a culture of sexism and anti gay attitudes. Some proverbs are misogonistic you cant pick and choose what to beleive if you are a christian
I see where you are coming from with regards institutional racism but I have to disagree. Whilst working methods, procedures etc need to be reviewed regularly (and changed where appropriate) to ensure they are fair to all – there was a sense when the police service were deemed to be institutionally racist that this meant all police officers were racist. This may not be what you mean when you use the label, but it was the interpretation some in society and some in the media protrayed. At the time I was a police officer and both myself and numerous of my colleagues found the label offensive and patronising. We recognised that there were things that needed to change and had endeavoured to bring about some of that change but then we were dismissed as irrelevant because we were part of the problem.
It can be the same when you lump an entire organisation/institution as being homophobic or racist etc.
I dispute what you say about not being able to pick and choose what you …
… believe as a Christian. If that were the case then all churches would have identical theologies on all of the following areas: ordination of women, baptism, transubtantiation, forgiveness, etc etc and it is clear they do not. Homosexuality is not a key theological issue that the denominations even agree on (even within denominations) so saying you can not pick and choose is IMHO wrong. Belief is personal – no religion can make you believe something including making you believe in homophobia.
Can he also stop people being gullible? Or even turn straight people gay if they want to change their sexuality? Taxpayer’s money should be used to find new treatments for diseases such as cancer and AIDS instead – no one has ever died from just being gay!
So, now they invite torture.
I assume they’ll be countering that with a therapist to help those who wish to be cured of being straight.
No? didn’t think so.
Where do these people get off?
How is they don’t the problem some LGBTQI people have is because of bigots, attitudes and religion like them?
Shameful behaviour, it’s just plain wrong.
“Treatments reportedly include cold showers, prayer and abstinence.”
All of which are scientifically proven not to work. Ergo, the man, and his “treatment”, are a joke.
I would love to see the evidence base for their treatment protocol:
“Cold showers, prayer and abstinence.”
Perhaps they conducted a randomised controlled trial
I would be very interested in hearing a from someone who thinks ‘cures’ work to the question “I’m Straight and want to be Gay, can you help me”
I mean by there reasoning straight people have the right but I wonder what would be the response?
Prehaps someone should secretly record such a meeting.
They would refuse because that would be “going against nature” by their logic
So here’s a link to the christian organisation that are doing the cure’s.
Monotheism is the foundation stone of homophobia.
You keep repeating it, doesn’t make it factually correct or relevant
With regards Eddy two’s link !
Section 3 is interesting !!!
“3.We encourage scientific research on the subject of homosexuality”
Claiming to encourage scientific research, is not the same as having scientific research to support your claims.
Will they endorse the findings when they prove their beliefs to be incorrrect?
I wonder how much he’ll manage to take the HK govt for before they find out they’ve been sold a pup? Methinks I’ll move there and offer my services to “cure” all the gay men by an intensive and prolonged study of HK’s Gay male party culture and sex bars. It will undoubtedly require protracted, hands-on research, but I’m willing to take it on ;)
Whatever happened to the idea of letting people be who they are?
The idea is still there and in most I reckon is happening.
Sadly plenty who refuse to allow it though.
The gay cure guy is a nut job who gives electric shock to a persons penis, how crazy it that? These people who do this are criminals and need to be arrested. God created gays to be born gay and love one another. There is nothing wrong with these people, the Christian religion has made gay into a bad thing even though God created the gays. How crazy. Stop these gay cure frauds and do something to make sure they do not hurt another gay person ever again. Stop the madness in the name of the Christian religion.
It seems as though torture is condemned in a lot of countries but sadly still acceptable depending one who is used by and to.
Reparative therapy is a cash cow basically. I note from their website that what they charge for their therapy sessions depends on the persons income and given that there are little or no consistent statistics on the success rate of reparative therapy an individual can be stuck in this cult like brainwashing process for years being milked for money. Its exploitative, unethical nonsense and its a cover for bringing in anti gay legislation.
How can you be an expert in something which is not taught by any recognised or reputable health professional training or educational institution or organisation, has no scientific basis or credible and consistent evidence to support it? What exactly makes this guy an expert on human sexuality? It says he’s a psychiatrist, well I would question that. How well is the field of psychiatry regulated in Hong Kong? Can anyone set themselves up as a ‘psychiatrist’ or ‘counsellor’ without recognised formal training? Do they know where this person trained?
God created Gays and maed them born on earth to love one another. This quack and fraud in china is using shock treatment on gays to stop them from being gay. God made them gay they can not stop being gay. These gay “cure” people are sick and evil and need to be exposed and put in prison for the harm they are doing to gays, some in the name of the Christian religion. Stop the madness and killing gays by shocking their private parts and harming them. Christians and psychiatrist are behind this madness, stop them now.
With respect, God had nothing to do with it because – hate to break this to you folks – he doesn’t exist.
What the hell Hong Kong foolish government is doing?! It’s absolutely a slippery slope back of human rights
….The bloody idiots…..
Hong Kong is taking a step backwards. Shocking!