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Protest held at Northern Ireland ‘gay cure’ conference

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  1. HelenWilson 14 Jun 2011, 6:25pm

    What does CORE offer?

    1. CORE is concerned that local churches take responsibility for this area of ministry rather than abdicating the role to other bodies or individuals, and therefore works to empower local leaders and their congregations to undertake this important pastoral care

    1. HelenWilson 14 Jun 2011, 6:28pm

      mistake eek

    2. I don’t get what the protest was trying to achieve? Let the church get on with it, you know you’re gay just because, whats the point these days? Would have been better if the 50 protesters agreed to go through the process and prove it a sham than all this bumbling.

      1. Obviously a lot of people are obviously very accepting of there sexuality but some aren’t and this kind of thing can really damage those people. And these gay cure things have been proven not to work over and over and over again but they never listen.

      2. You don’t really think this quack “therapy” comes free do you Kris?

  2. HelenWilson 14 Jun 2011, 6:26pm

    What does CORE offer?

    CORE works with local churches to assist in equipping fellowships for ministering to those who have issues of homosexuality, either in their own experience, or in that of families and friends associated with their fellowships. The goal is to work with local fellowship leaders, in collaboration with a range of similar ministries, to assist in the pastoral care of such individuals.

    1. HelenWilson 14 Jun 2011, 6:27pm

      1. CORE is concerned that local churches take responsibility for this area of ministry rather than abdicating the role to other bodies or individuals, and therefore works to empower local leaders and their congregations to undertake this important pastoral care

      2. Specialist training and resource development is time- consuming and can be expensive. A co-ordinated effort is a viable approach to increasing skilled capacity for more than a few. CORE works with a range of providers to encourage the most full understanding and response to this pastoral need

      3. Few churches can offer moderated, e-learning opportunities and reliable, professionally presented and vetted resources to support those struggling. CORE provides ‘blended’ learning opportunities, making use of face-to-face teaching in conjunction with online resources

      1. HelenWilson 14 Jun 2011, 6:27pm

        4. Expressing informed disapproval of homosexual practice in particular can be misunderstood. Working together as local churches and specialist ministry providers, will improve our communication skills with those who disagree with our views. CORE seeks to balance informed scriptural and scientific understanding of the fact of homosexuality.

        1. HelenWilson 14 Jun 2011, 6:31pm

          What a load of NARTH inspired crackpots!

          http://www.core-issues.org/

          1. HelenWilson 14 Jun 2011, 6:34pm

            Its up to you how you use this ;)

            info@core-issues.org
            07833098998

  3. Commander Thor 14 Jun 2011, 6:27pm

    “I don’t force anybody or cure anybody – a client naturally spontaneously grows into his authentic heterosexual self.”

    Lifelong bullying, belittling, abuse and religious brainwashing can certainly do a lot of things spontaneously. What next? Will interracial couples spontaneously grow into their authentic anti-miscegenation selves?

    MISQUOTATION ALERT: THIS POST CONTAINS SARCASM.

  4. I’m mostly straight but have serious issues with it and would very much prefer to be 100% gay will Narth or Core assist me to achieve my aim and find happiness as a content gay person?

    1. It follows that if people can be helped to increase their hetrosexual potential as CORE suggest then people can also be helped to increase their homosexual potential which is what I desperately seek to do, will you help me CORE? If not why not?

      1. Unwanted , pesky, heterosexual attractions…please make me gay, I’ll pay and pay for reparative therapy to be gay.
        Can’t bear the thought of another day waking up with the shame of unwanted embarrassing straight attractions. I have tried living in the straight lifestyle and have been left wanting.
        I know I have huge homosexual potential if only I could find the therapists who could make me feel whole but my church won’t hear of it, they just stick their fingers in their ears.

        1. Good one, Pavlos..

  5. So the church allows people to use its premises without verifying what they believe in etc – sounds unlikely to me – and if the case then the church rightly deserves criticism

    1. Exactly, Stu. I have belonged to a gay-affirming social group in the past which was kicked out of a community centre double-quick when people on the (not officially religious) management committee found out ‘what we represented’. It also reminds me of a story I read a few years ago of how an Evangelical vicar threw a yoga group out of his Church hall when it emerged that the teacher actually linked yoga to Hindu beliefs.
      This church is insulting our intelligence.

  6. So who’s for establishing a straight reparative therapy practice?
    A network of clinics where people who have troubling issues with unwanted heterosexual attractions can come and be encouraged to maximise their homosexual potential.

  7. A client grows into his authentic self? Is he for real?

    Typical friggin American interference in our affairs. These frauds should be on the undesirable list and barred from entering the UK. Since when have religious cults been experts on psychoanalysis? That proves how dangerous this nonsense is. The day these con artists prove you can turn a straight man gay, then maybe, just maybe they’ll lend some credence to curing and praying away the gay. Until then, they remain charlatans. This so called “cure therapy” has long been debunked by the American Psychiatric Association and deemed dangerous.

  8. Another homophobic christian story. Good for the protestors. How spineless and pathetic that the church can’t admit they supported a homophobic event.

    1. I certainly agree this is a homophobic story and that the church involved are either being spineless, exceptionally naive or both

  9. i just wanted to add something . people think people are gay for a reason . well think about this are girls straight because they had a fantastic father and an awful mother and are boys straight because they had a wonderful mother and abused by their father…no they arnt they are straight because that is their feeling towards another human being , not all human being of their own sex just that one in particular. so to say there is a reason for being gay is idiotic and insane that people need to think theres always explanations for everything.. well not everything..why do some christians think theres a explanation for everything.. what is the meaning of life. oh yeah thats right you dont know the meaning for that what a shame…

    1. Michelangelo 15 Jun 2011, 3:53pm

      This just shows how mad some gay myths are…

      Boys are attracted to girls and vica versa because that’s how the human race procreates! Seeing that procreation is the essential goal of our lives and ensures the survival of the species, then it is imperative that men and women fall in love and have sex. It is what most if not nearly all human beings do, and just as our bodies compliment each other, so do our emotions and sexualities. Men are designed / evolved to fit into women and both sexes really compliment each other.

      It is not mad for those who find themselves attracted to the same sex to rationally conclude that something must have happened to cause them to be attracted to the wrong sex. Why would you want to stop men and women who know that their bodies are heterosexual to bring their sexuality into line? Maybe the truth hurts… But the truth is that men and women are made for each other and it’s quite odd to think otherwise.

      1. Buddy I can assure you, men can fit pretty well inside one another too

      2. Deeside Will 15 Jun 2011, 5:05pm

        “…it is imperative that men and women fall in love and have sex.”

        Yes, and they do. But a minority fall in love and have sex with people of the same sex. Nothing wrong with that.

        “…both sexes really compliment each other.”

        Yes, when they are heterosexual, as most people are. Not when they are homosexual.

        “…something must have happened to cause them to be attracted to the wrong sex.”

        When you’re homosexual, someone of your own sex is the RIGHT sex, not the wrong one.

        “…men and women who know that their bodies are heterosexual…”

        Our bodies are either male or female (although there are a small minority of indeterminates). There is no such thing as a heterosexual body. It is PEOPLE that are heterosexual, homosexual or bi-sexual, not their bodies. So if you are homosexual, two bodies of the same sex work really well together.

      3. @Michelangelo

        Procreation may be the essential goal of your life – it ain’t mine, sunshine

        Even heterosexual sex is not solely about procreation – its a sign of love, of passion, of enjoyment …. perhaps you aren’t aware of this

        Sex is more than 15 seconds fumble in the missionary position

        Strangely enough when you examine nature – other mammals the male species who are homosexual or bisexual have the same anatomy as the heterosexual animals. So you presumption of anatomy being for one purpose is clearly false.

        The truth is not that all men were meant to be with women and vice versa and that thinking any other way is odd – the truth is failing to understand human emotions and interactions and that some people are created gay is fact. Its not wrong. Its not right. Its just the way of the world.

      4. “Maybe the truth hurts…”

        LOL, after that idiotic rant, the only truth here is you need to get a better understanding of sexuality and evolution, my friend.

        Always the stupid ones, we get in here…. never the clever bigots.

      5. Michelangelo would you like some liver with that chopped logic of yours?

      6. burningworm 16 Jun 2011, 1:53pm

        There is a difference between sex and gender. Its a genetic test. The other is performative.

        Your argument propels hetero norm myths.

  10. These “gay cure” people are criminals who do more harm than good, God made gays, the same as he made the straights who were put here on earth to love one another. Stop this madness called gay cure, it has been know to kill people. How man more gays does God have to make before you know God loves gays?

  11. The last audible breaths from a dying institution, desperate for any attention that it can get. Rest in pieces Jesus, Mohammed and Abraham.

  12. Are you kidding me, I am a gay person , i dont tell me wether i am gay or hetersexual , my general make up inside my self tell me what it does like and do not like just like you eat real food off of a plate, its no need in pretending and lying about food that you hate and that makes you seek every time you see it or eat it. Its simply not what you like , and that a gender trait, you stupid asses, all of the creeps are sycopaths and have enough to deal with in the incest rapes and wiffe beaters in the hetersexual commuities of their that what they had better find a cure for, not the gay community who happens to get the honary humanitarian , humanity award every year for their families and communities for the most civilized people in the nation and the most safest families in the nation its a no brdainer nor a no contest, these hetersexual have to be arrested for harrassment of the lgbt famiilies a;nd stay fthe hell out of our faces we are sick and tired of their wicked selves

  13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Ht05pZ6vI – sorry I know I’ve already posted a Bo Burnham song on these threads before but it fits to this story quite well

  14. Dan Filson 15 Jun 2011, 1:51am

    It’s curious that people of faith often believe that certain events occur because their God so wills it, but cannot comprehend the possibility that therefore some people are gay or lesbian because their God so wills it.

    There ought to be regulation of psychological practices that aim to amend the way people behave – where is the professional regulation? And this bunch of crazies should be barred from practice

    1. I think there is only a voluntary form of regulation on practitioners as Patrick Strudwick discovered, there is actually no legal means to stop these quack! quack! quack’s!
      Protestors should really just stand outside the next quack “reparative therapy” conference and quack as loudly as they can.

    2. Dr Robin Guthrie 15 Jun 2011, 1:01pm

      A nice quote from Susan B. Anthony:

      “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”

    3. Galadriel1010 15 Jun 2011, 3:08pm

      It’s quite scary how blind to reality they are. Anyone who says that the bible is infallible is probably impossible to argue with, because it means that they have already discarded science as lies before they even start.

      We should try to make gay cure practices illegal in the UK. Spain did it not long ago, didn’t they?

  15. Rich, gay and loving lit 15 Jun 2011, 2:20pm

    I agree with you Paul. America is a very young society still in the teething stage of growing into a fully open and accepting society. Their society is backward in many areas and gay rights is one of them. This does men to say that all Americans are the same – far from it. There about 2,600 pro gay churches in USA but there are also nut cases like CORE that can do basically what they want and this normally a lot of damage. Gays all over the world must be advised to boycott these sick organisations and seek help elsewhere (if needed) from legitimate gay organisations that are equiped for this sort of thing. In other words if you have a problem being gay then go to a gay organisation that will help you feel comfortable with yourself and your sexuality.

  16. Jock S. Trap 15 Jun 2011, 3:31pm

    What part of damaging other human beings do these people not get?

    Why don’t they understand the clients are vunerable because of what people and religion says against us?

    I can’t believe that still in 2011 we still have this kind of action while still on the same page call themselves civilized.

      1. Interesting to note that this “no longer gay” man hasn’t a word to say about women, they don’t appear to exist in his world and he has everything to say about other males, sounds like a gay person but a really fcuked-up gay person which is what I’m sure David Pickup is.

  17. Tell you what,try ‘curing’ me,& when you fail can I claim thousands in compo’ for failure to ‘come up with the goods’?!

    1. No, they make you sign a contract covering themselves before taking your money.

      1. I suspect my lawyer can’t check the contract first?

  18. ‘Gay curing’ is to homophobia what ‘holocaust denial’ is to anti-semitism!

    Homophobia and anti-semitism are both Biblically justified prejudices. But I guess 6 million jews going up in smoke in the holocaust means that this is one Scriptural prejudice that’s no longer PC for the Christo-Fascist crowd. Therefore they need another group of people to hate. And this is where homosexuals come in so handy for them. All you need to do is swap Matthew 27:25 for bits of Leviticus and voila! you can go on hating with God-given approval.

    ‘Gay curing’ is all part of the homophobic agenda. It implies that being gay is either a sinful choice or an illness. Either way it means gay people should not be entitled to any rights at all as far as they are concerned.

  19. Gary Barbosa-Strickland 15 Jun 2011, 7:32pm

    What utter BULLSH*T !!!!!!

    1. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2011, 10:34pm

      @Gary BS…
      …would you care to elaborate. Exactly what is utter b/s??

  20. David McKinnon 16 Jun 2011, 1:05am

    I hope they can keep that reparative infection out of the UK

    1. Paddyswurds 16 Jun 2011, 10:36am

      The thing to do is to come down hard on the churches who make money from it A one or two hour picket isn’t near enough :every service they hold for the next month should be picketed noisily, inside and out. Make them think twice before allowing these bigots on to their premises. If the GLB community in East London can get an agreement from mosques not to have homophobic speakers then surely the CoI can go one better. community

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