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  1. Another empty gesture promise as before.

    1. Well, whoopie do. For years ELM and LMC have been claiming they “have no control” over the people who third party organisations invite to speak there.

      And the Luton Muslim Centre had a document on its website calling for gay people to be executed. And it was only removed in December 2010, after The Guardian publicised the fact that this is the kind of thing that a self-proclaimed “moderate” muslim organisation publishes. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/19/abdaly-luton-mosque-stockholm-bomber

      It is too late for East London. It has been thoroughly de-gayed over the last 20 years. It is a form of ethnic cleansing. From 15 bars 20 years ago, down to 4 bars now.

      There is a long way to go. And the first step should be the banning of Hizb ut Tahrir.

      1. Agree completely , well said . Those anti gay posters put up bout a gay free zone are becoming a reality.

      2. Jock S. Trap 15 Jun 2011, 3:53pm

        I think the point is now they have made such a statement they can be held accountable to it.
        I agree, I am somewhat skeptical about this but I have to look at it as it is and hope they keep to their word and Help start to make these areas safer for all LGBTQI residents as well as the wider community.

    2. I guess so, being that the UK has a forced policy of “Multiculturalism” (which is code word for Mooslim invasion). There is no need for gay brits to tell Mooslims how to behave in their country. Non-mooooslims in Saudi Arabia have to adhere to strict codes of their “culture” or face the consequences.

      But as long as the UK government continues to be weak on this issue and lags on its immigration policy, homophobic attacks will continue to rise in the mooslims ghettos of the country.

      1. Did I hear some ignorant babbling about multiculturalism – no, my hearing must be going ….

      2. Mooslim invasion? behave in their country? are you that Muslamic ray gun man from the EDL. “They’re coming over here telling us how to behave, David Cameron is a muslim as is most of parliment! I can tell because of my learnings!”

        As a P.O.C and a Muslim who happens to be part of the LGBT community, your comment is racist in so many levels and you know what? I’m just as British as you are mate, and I’m proud of it. This is my country too.

        You know Islam is a religion right? and Muslims are followers of that religion. That means White people can be Muslims too. The fact that you talk about multculturalism and the MUZLIN invasion and your implication that somehow Muslims aren’t Brits like what gay brits are is very telling. ALSO OH NO THE MUSLIM GHETTOS.

        I like Pink News, but I usually stay clear of the comments, it’s like youtube comments here I swear. You always get one yee hawwing racist bigot.

        1. Thanks Nadia. Nice to see some honourable Muslims on here speaking honestly and pointing out the racist bigotry there is on some of the comments.
          I am pleased you are a proud Britain, long may it continue

        2. well said!

    3. East London Mosque promises to turn over a new leaf again.

        1. Lies, lies, lies only a fool would believe or have any trust in what that lot say. They must be laughing at how easy it is to convince gullible londoners.

  2. Well, it’s a start. A bit late but better late than never. Hope they keep to their word.

    1. I saw a documentary long ago (I think it was on Channel 4) that the mosques promised no more radical literature or speakers will be allowed. A year later the same investigator infiltrated a few mosques and found the same radical speakers and literature there. There was absolutely no change. So don’t hold your breath.

      If I lived in England I would join the EDL in a heartbeat.

      1. Yuo don’t live here so why do you keep posting your bile? I guess you got kicked off the other sites bitch

        1. @Pepa

          Thankfully you havent polluted England with your presence …

        2. LMAO! Good to see you back James! and good call. I always look forward to your comments and responses the most, you tell it like it is.

          1. Yeah sock it to Pepa!

      2. HAHA I made the comment above and didn’t read this one.

        If I lived in England I would join the EDL in a heartbeat. <- OK, I get it now. In retrospect my comment wasn't really needed because you seem to be proud of your idiocy. What are you smoking? Please tell us so we can avoid it at all costs.

  3. Problem is they will probably say that saying that gays are sick and evil is not homophobic. Its how the catholic/anglican church justifies it when its members say such things.

    1. Totally!

    2. Yeah but does the Anglican church or even catholics advocate for the murder and engage in such of gay people?
      Nope. Didn’t think so.
      Re-read the article. This is about moooslims.
      I know most of you are in Christian bashing mode (claiming that those who believe in god are mentally ill).
      BTW You have broken several rules according to Jockstrap, one of them that you veer of track and talk about something else that is not related to the article.

      1. Perhaps not, but they certainly contribute to a culture within which gay people are de-humanised and regarded as deviants. While the Christians themselves may not go around queer-bashing, their vitriole towards us encourages hatred from the wider public.

        By the way, it’s spelt ‘Muslim’.

  4. Staircase2 14 Jun 2011, 5:14pm

    I’m confused – with the exception of Ian’s comment the other 2 clearly havent even read the article

    1. Yes I have. They didnt define homophobia. The catholic church says saying gay people are inherently disordered is not homophobic.

      1. @Scott

        There may be sectors of the Catholic church which say that but some of the more liberal RC churches do not hold that view – equally the CofE is very clear that homosexuality is not a medical condition and that referring to it as such is homophobic

        I do think this stance by the East London mosque should be welcomed.

        It is a positive stance to build on in improving Muslim-LGBT relations.

      2. Again, totally!

        1. My reply above to Scott.

    2. I’ve read the article and will judge the mosque solely by its actions.

      Statements from religious organisations are worthless seeing as they pretend that they are only using ‘god’s’ word.

      1. @David

        As ever even handed, balanced views on any person having faith – but I would expect nothing by anti religious bigotry from you

        1. Stu, one could also say to you that we wouldn’t expect anything other than you defending homophobic monotheistic belief systems. Islam, christianity and judaism are homophobic, FACT, just read the books. The head of the catholic church is homophobic – do I really have to point that out? The most powerful leaders of the muslim faith are homophobic, do I have to show you what they do to us in the middle east? The most powerful rabbis are homophobic. It’s not bigoted to state facts. I wish they weren’t, but they are. And where monotheism has any power, it is used to take away our freedom. You may want to defend religious bigotry, but some of us know better. David is gay guy defending himself against a bigoted homophobic belief system, why would you want to call him the bigot?

          1. Eddy, you get me totally wrong.
            I am not here to defend a belief system.
            I fully accept that the Pope has demonstrated his homophobia and that some leaders of some other churches and other faiths have also demonstrated their homophobia.
            I do know that this does not mean that every person of faith is a homophobe. Nor does it mean that every statement from a religious organisation is worthless. So far from stating facts, David is being offensive by stereotyping and ridiculing those of faith. That in my opinion is bigotry – you may choose to disagree. LGBT people are not unique in experiencing bigotry and some LGBT people do cause bigotry of others.
            In this case it on face value is a positive story for LGBT rights in the Muslim world. We need to see if they stick by their promises – making knee jerk reactions – instinctive though it may be damages our aim for equality.

          2. Wake up from your fluffy world Stu.

          3. @Eddy

            My world is far from fluffy – either in terms of furnishings or in terms of outlook – I have had my own share of oppression or experiencing oppression – and I know from experience that by maintaining a positive outlook more progress and success is achieved – yes, recalling history and building on it – but recognising sometimes we have to let go of our own hatred.
            For clarity, we should never allow homophobia to overcome us – but we need to not pigeon hole others and assume they are homophobic on the basis of how others have behaved.

        2. Stuart. If I hear voices in my head a psychiatrist will diagnose me as having a mental illness.

          Someone who believes in a ‘god’ in spite of a complete lack of evidence of its existence should be categorised in the same way.

          Religious belief is for stupid, ignorant, unwell people.

          Perhaps that is bigotted. I think it is compassionate as I am concerned for these people and would encourage them to seek treatment for their mental illness.

          1. @David
            Describing religion as a mental illness is clearly not the case – every eminent psychiatric and psychological body worldwide agrees with that. I won’t accept your view just because you say that but will consider wider evidence and all that I see agrees that faith is not a mental health problem.
            Stating that people who hold faith are mentally ill is comparable to suggesting homosexuality is a mental illness – neither are.

        3. It is FAR worse to discriminate against someonje for an immutable characteristic – age , race, sex, sexuality, ethnicity.

          Religious belief is voluntary, freely chosen and people can choose to exercise their brains.

          Religious belief deserves no more respect than a belief in the tooth fairy, I’m sure even Stu can agree with that.

          1. @David

            I don’t completely agree with you. The reason being I think all human rights are intrinsic. I dont think any human right should have priority over another. That said, there are often competing rights and it take wise people to determine how to resolve these issues.
            I take for my guidance on human rights both domestic and international law and philosophy – and there is significant scope in all of those that regard freedom of speech, freedom of private life, freedom of family life, freedom of religion etc etc as intrinsic human rights.
            That said, I can empathize with where your argument begins.

      2. Agreed , Don’t believe any statement from the elm until i see it in practice.

  5. The East London Mosque already gave assurances not to host homophobic preachers in February – how does this latest statement change anything?

    1. To be fair to the Mosque they have been asked to make this statement – what can they do other than repeat what they have already said

      I agree actions are important – but I do think a public stance is also important

  6. Is that spokesman seriously claiming that the East London Mosque is banning preachers from mentioning part of orthodox Islam?

  7. It’s only words.

    1. Taqiyya is also a word and the Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Well understood, I suggest, by the spokespersons at East London Mosque.

  8. There seem to be quite a few people here who are prejudging the statement by the mosque as empty and worthless. Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. If they walk thier talk. I have to say that I’m not optimistic based on past behaviour of similar organisations, but to dismiss them out of hand is unfair. Let those of us who are skeptical be proven wrong – that would be great wouldn’t it?

    1. Absolutely David

      I understand skepticism but if they are shown to flout their public proclamations then we have grounds to severely criticise them. Having achieved a public stance from the Mosque – lets give them the opportunity to live up to it.

      1. If they dont live up to it, then thats the time with justifiable cause to come down very heavy on them

        1. @Pavlos

          You could take the third time they are saying it demonstrates consistency in their policy.

          Do we have evidence they are not complying with their own policy? If we have evidence lets show it and come down heavy on them and show their bigotry, lies and illegitimacy. If we don’t have any evidence then complaining they have a policy which says what we would like to hear isn’t a very grown up argument.

      2. it is at least the third time the East London Mosque has made this promise.

    2. Heard similar statements and promises before, they just cointinue as they always do hosting homophobic speakers, you don’t really expect any change do you? they are simply trying to appear just this side of the law. I’m unconvinced.

      1. @Pavlos

        I remain unconvinced too and skeptical – but whilst if/when there is evidence that they are permitting homophobic preachers either in their own meetings or in private meetings then I would come down heavy in criticism and campaigning – at the moment its speculation – lets either allow them to surprise us or to fail in the promises they have made – and if so, expose them.

    3. DAvid G I hate bigotry but they will lie to protect their interests. Its ok to lie to infadels

      1. @James!
        If we can prove they are lying then we have a decent cause – otherwise we just sound like we are whineing

  9. Good on the mosque.
    I now look forward to officially sanctioned and public readings there, in Arabic and English, of Abu Nuwas’ poems about the pleasures offered by beautiful young men, much heard and enjoyed by medieval caliphs, who were of course Captains of the Faithful.

  10. i wont hold my breath

  11. Fantastic news, are they going to rewrite the koran and the hadith so they’re not homophobic? Or are they just not going to teach those parts of their books? I thought every young muslim was forced to learn those books, are they going to stop them from learning the homophobic sections, or tell them those parts are wrong. Or is it just more empty words from the religious homophobes.

    1. Well it is time for an Islamic reformation, don’t see it happening yet though.

      1. Think you could be right there – unfortunately I don’t see it happening either …

        1. It’s a shame really, because there are Muslim including Imans and scholars who are progressive and reject homophobia and there are a lot of Liberal/Moderate Muslim organisations and LGBT Muslim organisations who aren’t getting their voices heard.

          http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=72343 <- This didn't make it into the news over here. I'm sure if they said the opposite it would have.

          1. *Imam.

            Although Iman is also Muslim, a fierce one at that.

          2. Its certainly progress and I do think in all the monotheistic faiths there are progressives that blatantly reject homophobia in all its forms. There is an intransigence within many in the LGBT communities to accept that people of faith can be gay friendly. I wonder if this is because of their own bad experiences at the hands of faith groups or individuals who are religious, whether they have a closed mindset and compartmentalise all faiths as meaning one thing, whether it is reverse bigotry, whether it is fear or a combination of all the above.
            Regardless in the same way we need to encourage those in countries where homosexuality is illegal that equality can happen through the UN and other methods – so we need to encourage those of faith (and none).

  12. ‘War is deceit’ Mohammed said. If you believe this empty statement it shows your ignorance about the jihad that is currently against the west. Islam teaches that it is ok to lie to non-muslims in order to advance their agenda – and that is putting it mildly. Like the Paki government sitting with bin Laden, playing the west. Visit Jihad Watch http://www.jihadwatch.org and see what these animals are up to. Their agenda is to establish a worldwide caliphat which will take us back 1400 years.

    1. The only good mosque is one that’s been burned down. Preferably with the Imam in it.

      1. Whilst I am no supporter of the Islam faith – I certainly cant condone arson or murder either

        1. Well obviously, I don’t want you to go and do it. I’m talking about a tragic accident. x

      2. That is an inappropriate comment Enoch and may be illegal.

        1. Tut, Pavlos, dear. So is pushing walls onto people, and setting them on fire for being gay. :-)

          1. Toally Enoch, I just don’t want to see you getting into trouble.

      3. Ian Townson 15 Jun 2011, 11:42am

        I hope you are not one of the thugs that has been going around attacking mosques, desecrating muslim graves and attacking muslim women and Asian businesses.

        1. Stop being silly, Ian. I have episodes of ‘Desperate Housewives’ to watch, and clothes to shop for. I leave the attacks on Asian women and Asian businesses to Asians themselves. The desecration of the graves I don’t know about. It could be an act of Takiyya (see Pavlos’s link above) to gain sympathy, as Muslims have special expertise in attacking and vandalising churches, and violating graves and ‘holy’ sites.

          1. Ian Townson 15 Jun 2011, 4:44pm

            Well, okay. Enjoy your soap and shop ’til you drop. Heads you win, tails they lose.

    2. I’m surprised and a bit sad that no one said anything about the Paki comment. RACISM IS COOL GUYZ.

      Nice propaganda there.

      Jihadwatch really? you know websites like that are run by ultra right american evangelists? Who basically believe the same things but don’t like the Mussszzzlins because they won’t accept Jesus as their saviour. I guess Homophobic idiots are ok if they hate Islam right?

      It’s fun living here in the 60s where Paki is a word people can use and you can beat up non-whites isn’t it Terry Jones? I mean Stephan.. I mean Terry…

      Alright, I’m out. Oh the Bigot Tree, the massive offensive Bigot Tree.

  13. Ian Townson 14 Jun 2011, 9:47pm

    This is what I sent via email to the Homintern signatories. I don’t expect I will get a reply.

    What are you going to do about the rampant Islamophobia within the LGBT community? Every time I look on Pink News ‘Comments’ and other websites/blogs the muslim-hatred is appalling ranging from burning the Koran or using it as toilet paper to sending ‘them’ back to where ‘they’ came from to fears about the imminent demise of British culture via sharia law and the spread of Islam. Not to mention how backward and shifty-eyed ‘these’ people are. The people expressing all of this are not hardened LGBT EDL members either. They seem to have absorbed the general trend of paranoid perceptions about muslim (extremism) caused by politicians for electoral purposes, career journalists on the make with ‘controversial’ debate-provoking articles and newpapers trying to increase their sales. This has to be stopped.

    1. Being Islamophobic is not a ridiculous position nor does it merit being castigated as an irrational or bigoted person. On the contrary, it is a rational position based upon reading the mainstream interpretation of the Koran and the Hadith. It is perfectly reasonable to loathe Islam and to be phobic about its spread and influence in the world when it preaches violence against gays, women, children and indeed all who are not Muslim. Being Islamophobic merely demonstrates that one has a very well developed sense of self preservation and a rational approach to actually reading the Koran, the Hadith and the pronouncements of the four main schools of Islamic so-called jurisprudence. Simply because Muslims scream that they are oppressed is no reason not to look at what they believe and gauge whether or not such careful control of them is justified or not. Given the vileness and violence of the mis-called ‘religion of peace’ it is not stupid to examine the teachings of that psuedo-faith.

      1. Ian Townson 15 Jun 2011, 7:59am

        John MJ: Thanks for your comments. Muslims are not screaming that they are oppressed. The vast majority are at peace with their neighbours and are just as disgusted with Islamist extremists as we are. Do you really think that the citizens of Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan enjoy being slaughtered by suicide bombers? Here in Britain the tiny minority of hate preachers are on the run. Either imprisoned, deported or thrown out of the mosques. Their interpretation of the Qur’an is vile as are those of the Christians and Jews who use their holy books to oppress LGBT people, women and preach violence. Remember the ‘Save Ulster from Sodomy’ and ‘Kill a Queer for Christ’ campaigns? Not to mention orthodox Jews attacking LGBT Pride in Israel and the recent violence in Croatia, Russia, Poland and Serbia prompted by concerns about the erosion of Christian values. All I am saying is let’s have a sense of proportion against the paranoia created by the media and politicians for dubious purposes.

        1. Thank you for being sane.

          More Muslims have died and have suffered by the hands of Al-Qaeda/Taliban and extreamism than non-muslims. People tend to forget that. Do people honestly think Most Muslim support Islamic Extreamism really? I have a friend who’s grandad died frpm a suicide bombing in Pakistan, Since then she’s been called a Terrorist on the street over here and been told to go back home etc. Yeah, Islamophobia is a problem,

    2. jamestoronto 15 Jun 2011, 3:25am

      Islamophobia wouldn’t in the gay community were it not for homophobia in the Islamic world.

      1. jamestoronto 15 Jun 2011, 3:26am

        oops “wouldn’t exist” that is

      2. It is not irrational to fear a religion that calls for the murder of homosexuals, it is a rational fear not an imagined phobia.

        1. Ian Townson 15 Jun 2011, 11:29am

          Thanks Pavlos. It isn’t ‘a religion’ that calls for the murder of homsexuals. It is a tiny minority of Islamist thugs with a twisted and nasty theological mission that the overwhelming majority of muslims oppose.

          1. “It isn’t ‘a religion’ that calls for the murder of homsexuals. It is a tiny minority of Islamist thugs with a twisted and nasty theological mission that the overwhelming majority of muslims oppose.”

            No, Ian. It is the unholy Koran and the Hadiths that call for the murder of homosexuals. You can not be a Muslim and be in denial of this. This is what all of Islam stands for, even if one in 10 of its male followers happens to be homosexual. (Nature always trumps religious ideology.)

          2. I have read the translated Koran on the web, it does call for the killing of homosexuals, it is all of a piece of the text this unfortunate and largely plagiarised religion is based on.

      3. James in toronto Sod off with your bigotry andhaven’t you got some seals to club?

        http://www.canadiansealhunt.com/

        Bstards

        1. God, but you’re a retard, James! (Not Toronto James, the queen with the exclamation mark up her ass.)

      4. Ian Townson 15 Jun 2011, 11:37am

        jamestoronto: I don’t think so. Many heterosexuals are Islamophobic. I believe because the media and politicians’ scare tactics around the ‘war on terror’ has stigmatised all muslims as potential terrorists.and murderers.

      5. Comments like this is why most LGB Muslims don’t come out. Homophobia + Islamophobia = double the hate.

        At least you’re a minority in the Gay community.

        :(

        1. @Nadia

          Double persecution and persecution from within both of the minorities you are associated with …

          I do feel for you

  14. Paula Thomas 14 Jun 2011, 9:47pm

    As an east London resident I welcome this statement as a first step to be monitored.
    We do need to know more about what they intend to do to back up this statement and we need more detail on what is and what is not acceptable to them.

    1. Absolutely – let them either succeed or fail in what they have said they will do

  15. Dan Filson 15 Jun 2011, 1:38am

    “Any speaker who is believed to have said something homophobic will not be allowed to use our premises” I hope this will occur, but it does seem very difficult to achieve given how many Islamic speakers have condemned homosexuality, not always in intemperate terms. It remains to be seen whether what is promised will come to pass.

    1. They will interpret the word “homophobic” in their own way I suspect, just as they appear to have their own interpretation for “innocent victim”

      1. @Pavlos

        That is an issue and it would be interesting to see how they have defined homophobia

  16. Peter Tatchell 15 Jun 2011, 3:02am

    This is the key point in the letter to the mosque:
    “We request that the East London Mosque make this policy known on its website – and to the Muslim, Asian and East London media – so that the entire community can see their commitment to stopping homophobia and to improving community relations.”
    So far, the mosque has not publicised its laudable opposition to homophobia to its own worshippers, the local East London community or to the Muslim media and community. An invisible commitment to oppose homophobia is no real commitment at all. Sincere commitments require public affirmation.

    1. Ian Townson 15 Jun 2011, 8:18am

      I am somewhat puzzled. The East London Mosque issued a public statement many weeks ago against homophobia, the extremist preachers and the derisory sentence the guy got for the ‘Gay Hate’ stickers. What else do you want – blood?

      Also did anyone actually go to East London Mosque to discuss all of this with the Director and leading lights before the media blitz against it. If not, why not? It is not good enough just having a media blitz of signatories and others berating the mosque. I have been there several times as an out gay man and when I brought up the debacle around the Gay Hate stickers their was immediate sympathy and the person who I spoke to will now liaise with the LGBT community in Tower Hamlets. Why was this approach not taken rather than the mosque just being blogged off a la Gilligan? Trial by media doesn’t wash with me and it doesn’t build bridges between communities. It leads to the most scurrilous and vile muslim-baiting.

      1. To reiterate what Peter said, the message needs to be disseminated among all the mosque’s stakeholders. It’s a reasonable request, a tiny demand that takes an hour or two.

        We think it is appropriate to have this kind of dialogue in public and be as transparent as possible. Some of our co-signatories are muslim; to say this leads to ‘muslim-baiting’ is hysterical, ridiculous and insulting.

        1. That seems a perfectly legitimate and reasonable request to make. It also enables (in what understandably – probably from both sides of the debate – is an uneasy situation with trust not being strong at the beginning) transparency and openness so that there can be confidence in ensuring that the policy is honestly applied and can be measured.

    2. When the Tower Hamlets council-published local newspaper reported on the “Homos Heraus” stickers, at NO POINT did the newspaper or the ELM or LMC make it clear that the stickers were islamically-motivated. Furthermore, whilst half of the articles are printed in both English and Sylheti, this article was published in English only. There was NOTHING in that reporting to make muslims in east London think that this sustained campaign of hatred had anything to do with islam. See here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=195265173824593&set=a.133777043306740.19688.132236756794102&type=1 . They do nothing to tackle this homophobia – Tatchell has been trying for years to get them to address it in their communities and institutions, and they do nothing.

      Maybe the EDL demo in Tower Hamlets in August will make them take notice.

      1. NO THE EDL WILL NOT.

      2. Paula Thomas 15 Jun 2011, 9:22am

        I very much doubt that an EDL demo is capable of doing anything than inflame things. I would ask the organizers to cancel.

        Just to be clear only a tiny minority of the LGBT community support the EDL.

  17. jamestoronto 15 Jun 2011, 3:35am

    Why did they have to asked or petitioned? Any respectful religious organisation would come forward on its own immediately and not wait – for how many weeks ?? to respond to such blatant hatred right on their own doorstep. Empty and meaningless words. When I see a prominent mosque marching in a Pride parade I will begin to believe Islam is starting to change. Oh yeah, I am also waiting for Santa Claus to come too!!!!

  18. concerned resident E3 15 Jun 2011, 10:26am

    what a surprise – the ELM makes a positive gesture after assiduous work by local activists over a number of years – and a slimy trail of EDL sympathising islamophobic racists post their bile in response. Lola Olson was right – there is something deeply unedifying in seeing gay people fighting bigotry with bigotry.

    1. concerned resident E3 – according to andrew gilligan in today’s Telegraph, the EL Mosque has said that they will no tolerate hate speakers THREE times, starting back in 2007.

      Now, Mr Gilligan could be lying. He could be telling the truth.

      Which is it? Has the EL Mosque made the same promise three times? Which would mean that they have lied twice.

      1. I f we have evidence of the hate speakers and the proclamation in 2007 etc then lets address that, and point out their failure to comply with previous promises.

        If it continues they should be reported to the police, the media and any other appropriate body

    2. There’s something deeply revolting about an Islamic sympathiser pretending to be a neutral and concerned citizen.

      1. concerned resident of E3 16 Jun 2011, 7:37pm

        there’s something even more deeply revolting by a fascist sympathiser masquerading as a reasonable litmus of gay opinion frankly

    3. It isn’t bigotry to point out that islam is homophobic. It’s a FACT. Unless you think killing men because they are gay is not homophobic? And it isn’t racist to point out that islam is homophobic. Islam is not a race, it’s a religion. Do you think the east london mosque is going to start have gay rights lectures? There is something deeply disturbing when a gay man/woman defends an actively homophobic belief system.

      1. concerned resident of E3 16 Jun 2011, 7:40pm

        look I have no problem with pointing out that individual moslems, christians, jews and blooming Jedi might be homophobic. I have a big big problem however with sweeping generalisations that encompass all adherents of a given religion

        1. Absolutely

          Even pointing out leaders or sections of an individual religion being homophobic I can fully endorse but sweeping generalisations (of whatever form are simplistic, offensive and damaging)

    4. Like I said in the one of above comments this place is becoming like youtube, the Comments there have made me cry before, I know you shouldn’t take it personally, since It’s the internet and they’re just trolling. But I thought we were past this years ago. It’s sad to see groups like the EDL and BNP getting support. have a problem with Islam? No problem, in fact a lot of us encourage debate. But bashing Muslims and saying you support the EDL? Yeah you sound like a racist bigot.

  19. Peter Tatchell 15 Jun 2011, 12:53pm

    The ELM has been hosting hate preachers for many years. Despite past polite requests that they desist, the ELM continued to host stridently homophobic clerics. They have never adequately publicised to the Muslim and local communities their recent commitment to not host hate preachers and to oppose homophobia. I am glad they have made this commitment and praise the ELM for doing so. But to help stop homophobia the ELM must manifest its commitment to the local and Muslim communities. We’d make the same demands to churches, synagogues and temples that hosted hate preachers.

    1. Peter, I hope you’re not being too idealistic

      The proof of the pudding will be in the eating

  20. Jock S. Trap 15 Jun 2011, 3:51pm

    It’s great that we are getting some leadership in this fight against homophobia in the East End.
    It’s been long overdue and I’m glad we are getting results.
    I guess time will tell but at least this sounds positive.

    1. I agree it is great to see leadership taking hold of this and being willing to engage in the complex issues that this case presents. I suspect there will be successes and set backs along the way and we need to be prepared to both hold our ground and push for more progress whilst acknowledging failures or mistakes that we make.
      I think this is a battle against homophobia that is not for the short haul and will have lots of turbulent and interesting times. If I was in the East end I would be keen to get involved.

  21. Another Hannah 15 Jun 2011, 10:36pm

    It is racist to want to stop people who want to kill you and make your life miserable. I knew many Muslims while i was in the closet, and the nearest they got to liberal was not too bigoted.

  22. No to all hate 16 Jun 2011, 10:14pm

    Well done Pinknews, once again you have given the facist, bigot and EDL cohort another excuse to spout there bile! Perhaps you should try some real journalism and address the blatant hatred and bile espoused by so many of your avid readers.

    1. Jock S. Trap 17 Jun 2011, 10:01am

      Er – crazy says what now??

    2. Jock S. Trap 17 Jun 2011, 10:02am

      It’s a shame you don’t put as much effort into homophobia instead of creating stories.
      Prehaps you think homophobia is different.

  23. I don’t know, I think it’s a huge step that they are ccondemning homophobia (this is a huge deal!) but actions speak louder than words. I just hope they keep true to what they’re saying and fight the bigots.

    Although it is the ELM, a lot of Muslims don’t really rate them. I know most of the ones I know don’t anyway because they’ve said things before and done the opposite.

    It’s a good day for the LGBT Muslim community anyway. Le’s see what they do…

    1. Absolutely, Nadia …

      Lets hope their words inspire other Muslim groups to more publically commit to being against homophobia and that all the groups who do so demonstrate their words through actions

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