To think Croatia is the latest country to accede membership of the EU. I only hope we never see one of them and their ilk assuming the presidency.
Indeed. It was agreed only the day before that Croatia have met the criteria and will join on 1 July 2013.
I somehow doubt that this would have been agreed had this protest been against Jews or black people.
of course , gays are always bottom of the sh*t heap.
I have to say while it is good that European has open borders the biggest problem esp to countries like the UK is that we don’t get a say about homophobic thugs like this story talks about.
Personally I think we should have great control over the people we let in but do we need more homophobic bigots when we clearly are full as it is?
I have no problem letting people in but I do feel we should have the right to refuse on the basis or discrimintory hatred, whoever it is aimed at.
All I can say is ‘those that shout the loudest, always have somthing to hide’
Keep your hatred to yourself
I thought they had just resolved the questions of justice which were one of the barriers for EU entry … seems the answers and reassurances given may not have been accurate …
I’d like the issues of Gay Rights issues be just at the forefront of EU membership as anything else.
I think it doesn’t do us any favours to allow countries that clearly have a problem with certain issues, esp of life.
I think gay rights in the same way as racial discrimination form part of justice and employment issues for pre entry
Bulgaria and Romania caused concern on justice issues – please lets not have a re run of that with diversity issues of whatever kind with some Balkan states
Could anyone offer a translation of what the crowd was chanting?
Yes, I can. The crowd shouted typical chants that one can hear at any soccer game in Croatia: “Ubij Srbina” (Kill the Srb!), “Ubij Pedera” (Kill the faggot!), and “Cigani, cigani!” (Gypsies, gypsies!). The problem in Croatia is the amazingly vicious and conservative and extremely powerful Catholic church, which preaches and teaches the hatred instead of Love. Even after what happened on Saturday, the Church is still on the side of the people who hate LGBT population. The church openly teaches that our community is sick and in need of a cure! Most of the people chanting and throwing stones on Split promenade belong to the local soccer club “Hajduk” fanatics, called “Torcida!” They are a true terror and a mirror of all the problems in Croatian society.
Yup, got it 100% right. A lot of croatian extremists are obsessed with gypsies and greek orthodox people. It is a hanagover from ww2 when the Ustaše was running around exterminatiing anyone they did not like.
Cardinal Stepinac who supported the murder of men, women and children who did not fit there ideal, is now about to be made a saint. Anyone who wants to know what the catholic church was up to in Croatia in World War 2 should check out the catholic priest Miroslav Filipović.
In Croatia the Catholic Church does encourage bigotry against Jews, Greek Orthodox, Gypsies and Homosexuals. Nothing happens in Croatia without the Vatican’s approval.
And we want more of thoise kind of countries in the EU don’t we?
If its a common theme in Croatia and not being resolved by the state then possibly no …
But lets look to the UK – EDL, BNP, Islamophobia, increased hate crime against LGBTQ communities etc etc
and its not just the UK; consider France, Germany, Greece etc
Right and do we really want more of it?
@Jock S Trap
I agree we don’t want more of it – but equally I dont think it is a sustainable decision to say that because there is a minority that are homophobic that we should bar a nation from EU membership – if that was the case then we wouldnt admit anyone.
look, it is in living memory when gay protests in the UK met hostile crowds as well and we have moved on from that era largely. I would also argue that close contact with our European neighbours helped that process. Croatia is new to the club and maybe not as far down the track as us but the legislative framework is there and it is a country highly dependent on tourism. Time will tell whether society can accommodate the new realities and move towards a more tolerant milieu.
I feel that a rule of joining the EU should be accepting and putting into place Right that benefits that country’s LGBTQI community.
it does already. All new accession countries have had to enact a whole series of gay friendly laws in order to be considered as candidates. This has been true since the 1990s and the point about this protest in Croatia is that there are actually new laws that should have protected the marchers.
Hungary have tried to repeal some of their gay friendly laws – its important that countries set for membership are reminded of their duties on diversity grounds
Yes but then they have to keep them.
I think Hungary are being forced to keep their laws
I think the European Union will have to look hard at Croatia before it seriously allows it to become a member.
Clearly visible change needs to be acted on to protect it’s citizens from it’s problem with a thug mentality.
So disgraceful that yet again this violence is being used against the LGBTQI community.
When will people Grow up.
look treatment of gay people is just one of a number of issues that have to be looked at. But frankly while Italy, Poland, Latvia et al have a VERY poor record on gay rights then I doubt this will stop Croatia acceding.
Concerned resident is correct and whilst I wouldnt want to undermine the importance of any legislation to support the LGBTQ communities or other minorities – they form part of a comprehensive assessment criteria – and yes membership can and should be blocked on some of those grounds … but only after a full evaluation has been done and then where action needs to be taken (whether by Croatia or others) opportunity is given for this to occur.
Well I guess that a reason Not to act on the interests of the LGBTQI community in Europe the Concerned resident of E3.
It’s a pity that for some the default qualities of ignorance and vile behaviour are the same qualities that the catholic church do little to root out.
No surprise there then.
Shouldn’t we we get a vote on who joins our club? And they should at least be willing to abide by our rules.
First: we vote, by electing those people who decide later on. And as EU is multicultural you are never sure what comes out.
Second: As to my understanding, the last European Treaty is most about economics, not Human Rights. These countries are meant to bring wealth, so the politicians think: f… about LGBT, even Human Rights
Third: a little bit of history. Remember General de Gaulle? When the UK was about to join, his words were: You get them in, forget about me! He resigned! Funnily, even today, WW2 allies !! are not able to get into common politics ( UK & FR ), wheras WW2 ennemies now are trying to get into control of the entire EU ( FR & DE ) !! So, the LGBTIQ community must continue to fight for it’s rights again and again. At least WE should stand shoulder to shoulder, but even this fails frequently.
Damn it, the EU Should never have expanded beyond northern Europe. Southern European and eastern european do not share our culture or our history. Why should such people be allowed to join? I dont think the UK should be able to join the arab league.
Friends from the US were there. Here is their first hand account:
I am heterosexual Croatian and I am ashamed to know this type of behaviour still exist in 21 st century? Shocking, no excuse!
Love gays, love the World
Whether it is homophobes at a gay march, Catholic protesters at an Orange march or racists at a Caribbean carnival, if you find those public displays offensive then STAY AWAY!!! It is obvious that people want to be offended! For example all those who complain about TV programmes after sitting all the way through them when they could have just pressed the off switch!