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Unitarian minister in Kentucky refuses to sign marriage licences until gay couples are given marriage equality

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  1. What an awesome human being, wish there were more of her out there!!

    1. … and here is the ugly side of this case:
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      http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/do-equalities-laws-violate-rights-of-christians-european-court-asks-british
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      The ConDem coalition is already talking about scrapping the Equality Act.

      1. thats what happens when you join the fascist bureaucratic soviet European Union.
        Didn’t most of you bees on here supported the lib dems from the beginning?

        1. Troll in the dungeon.

      2. Yeah, this was reported in the telegraph last Sunday

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8556650/Christians-take-prejudice-row-to-Strasbourg.html#disqus_thread

        I too would like to know how the lib dems/tories are going to respond, are they going to defend the British courts’ decisions????

        1. The ball is in the coalition’s camp right now. The European court is waiting for them, what they need to do is support the British court decisions, and support the Equality Act.

  2. The Unitarians have long supported full equality for gay people. Well done!

  3. It is heroes like this who will win the fight for equality. When there’s a highly polarised debate any right wing or religious people feel as though they must be opposed to gay equality, but when religious leaders promote equality it means we are getting closer to the tipping point in favour of full equality. The lefties and liberals were already convinced long ago, the ground that needs to be gained now is people like church goers, right wingers etc. (yes, I know that’s not the same thing and there are leftie Christians too).)

    1. The lefties and liberals were already convinced long ago,
      Oh really? Like how the very liberal and lefty state of california VOTED IN prop 8, the very liberal and lefty state of Maine REJECTED gay marriage, the very liberal and lefty state of New Mexico DIDN’T want to hear about “civil unions,” like the lefty and liberal state of Rhode Island that decided that there will be NO gay marriage, the liberal and lefty state of Maryland where they IGNORED the whole thing all together… which type of example are you talking about?

  4. Galadriel1010 7 Jun 2011, 1:46pm

    Well done to her and her church! It’s time more churches took a stand like this one and told our governing bodies that we disagree.

  5. Dan Filson 7 Jun 2011, 2:06pm

    First steps in achieving a separation of church and state in respect of marriage – the churches should do their thing, whatever that is, and the registration ceremonies should be free of religion and equal for all couples.

    1. Jock S. Trap 7 Jun 2011, 3:01pm

      Here! Here! Dan.

      1. I thought those that believe in God are mentally ill according to the jockstrap… so why do we bother with this story at all? Why listen to a bunch of “mentally ill” people.

        1. Dude, you gotta let it go. You don’t even contribute to the conversation, you just word vomit.

          1. His MO is to dump a load of histrionic comments with insults about gay men begin paedophiles, then runs in a boo-hoo fit becuase everyone is out to get him…. a serious amount of paranoid mixed in with stupidity.

        2. Jock S. Trap 8 Jun 2011, 8:29am

          Again pepa, proves I have said this!
          Stop making things up, they just make You look more stupid with each further comment you make.
          Your clearly too immature to get involved in debate.
          I have never say people that believe in God are mentally ill.
          Though I will say that via your ever more ridiculous comments and disturbing obsessions I have to put into question your own mental stability.

  6. Good for her.

    Although I don’t feel comfortable with cult leaders being allowed to sign marriage licenses (even if the cult is gay friendly).

    I think that all legal recognition from religious weddings needs to be removed.

    That way the cults won’t have a leg to stand on in disapproviing of civil marriage equality.

    We need to look towards the Dutch model – ALL marriages must be held in the townhall to be legal and then if the couple want their cult to be involved in blessing their wedding, that’s entirely their own business.

    1. “ALL marriages must be held in the townhall to be legal and then if the couple want their cult to be involved in blessing their wedding, that’s entirely their own business.”

      Would agree with that. State always over church.

    2. de Villiers 7 Jun 2011, 5:10pm

      All marriages in France must be conducted in the town hall. There is no legal recognition of religious weddings. This has not resulted in gay marriage becoming legal in France.

      1. That’s not David’s point, he’ referring to a separation of civil functions of state with religious ones.

    3. Galadriel1010 7 Jun 2011, 11:10pm

      David, can you please stop calling organised religions ‘cults’? I find it very offensive, and I don’t think it’s neccessary. We all know what you think of religion by now.

    4. “Although I don’t feel comfortable with cult leaders being allowed to sign marriage licenses (even if the cult is gay friendly).”
      Yes, yes, yes. We get it already. Leftist ideology is more important than gay acceptance.

      1. “Leftist ideology is more important than gay acceptance.”

        What on earth are you talking about? Did you even read the comment? Talk about missing the bulls eye….

        1. Jock S. Trap 8 Jun 2011, 9:06am

          He’s not interested in what anybody else says Will.

  7. Well done to her. A Christian actually behaving like a Christian, I’m impressed. More like her and the world would be an easier place for gay people (and society in general) to live in.

    1. I would argue that she is behaving in a very non-christian manner.

      For me christianity (and religious belief in general) is characterised by hatred, bigotry; division; condemnation.

      I would say she is behaving in a very atheist manner. But good for her.

      1. “For me christianity (and religious belief in general) is characterised by hatred, bigotry; division; condemnation.”

        Christianity isn’t, its the people who purport to follow it and twist its message. Its a sad reality that more christian do the opposite of the message they are supposed to be following. I believe its also called hypocrisy.

      2. Galadriel1010 7 Jun 2011, 11:12pm

        And you’re a sterling example of atheism, preaching hatred, bigotry, division and condemnation.

        1. Atheism should not be about that, it is usually a neutral stance but eh… his hatred is much more vile than that of christian homophobes.

          1. Galadriel1010 9 Jun 2011, 12:17am

            Once you start agreeing with me I assume I’m wrong.

            But you’re half right. Hatred should never be the default setting.

      3. Gee I wonder how must view Islam them.. in that case Islam is 100 times worst as they execute gays… yet not a peep about that. How convenient.

        1. Its because you’re so disturbingly obsessed with child abusing, Pepa.

    2. This is coming from a guy that says that ALL christians are mentally ill and should be thrown in jail.
      Will is the reason why so many christians don’t buy into the whole equality thing. The message gets lost in the messenger.

      1. “Will is the reason why so many christians don’t buy into the whole equality thing. ”

        LMAO! Yeah, I’m a powerful and educated individual, but global mind control?!? Sure. Why not. If it makes you feel that one bit better about yourself and your strikingly obvious mental health issues.

  8. Good on them!

    That’s why the Unitarians (UK), Quakers etc shouldn’t be happy with having the local registrar come in to the CP registration on their premises and have the relgious services agreed with the registrar beforehad.

    We want marriage equality and we certainly didn’t want this sham change in the equality act to allow a secular CP registration at the church at vast expense to the council and tiny churches that will be involved. Reject the whole thing and go straight on to marriage.

    1. “We want marriage equality”
      Again NO YOU DON’T.
      The majority of gay men DO NOT want a monogamous long-term relationship that is exclusive of all others. We are driven not to me marry each other but we are driven by our most basic and animalistic lowest biological common denominator: sex.

      1. What rubbish, most of us are ultimtely driven to a tong term relationship . Whose talking about being monogamous, yes, that would be great but gays and straights are both liable to having affairs..it happens, but we’ve got a desire to be happy with one person, we try our best, just like straight married couple…I’m not exactly a 20 something randy male any more….perhaps you are?

      2. Jock S. Trap 8 Jun 2011, 9:18am

        Maybe pepa, you should stop branding us all by your standards.
        You talk such crap.
        I have been in a monogamous relationship for 18 years.
        Most of my friends are long term relationships so stop taking how you and “your friends” behave as a rule for all of us.
        In any case Marriage equality is about having the choice to choose weither to marry or not.
        What people do with it is irrelevent so long as that choice is just as much their as it is for everyone else.
        -
        Interesting comment you make though:-
        “We want marriage equality”
        Again NO YOU DON’T.
        -
        Thanks for that confirmation.

      3. “The majority of gay men DO NOT want a monogamous long-term relationship that is exclusive of all others”

        As you have no proof of this, this is just another example of your lies. You’re a liar pepa – one more among other less then admirable traits.

  9. France too only recognises civil marriage as the legal one, religious solemnisation is not a requisite either but available if people want it.

    About time we had the same system in the UK and long overdue as well as the disestablishment of the state cult meddling in what is purely a civil matter.

    1. No. France does not recognize gay marriage. It has something called PACS. Please do your homework.

      1. I think Robert is probably only talking abut Straight marriages but actually France does give somekind of recognition to foreign SS marriages providing neither of the partners are of French nationilty.

  10. Jock S. Trap 7 Jun 2011, 2:59pm

    I take my hat off to Reverend Dawn Cooley and her Church for making such a supportive stand.
    What a great thing to do.
    Now, if we could get some of the ones here in the UK to do the same…

    1. jamestoronto 8 Jun 2011, 3:25am

      I think I read somewhere on Pink News that the Unitarians and the Quakers in the UK have already publicly stated that they would have no problem performing such marriages. In the case of the UK it is not the churches – some of them anyway – lagging behind but the state that is dragging its heels.

    2. What a load of baloney.

      1. ^^meant to Jockstrap.

        1. Fantastically erudite comment there pepa….. and so full of facts and counter argument, too.

          1. Jock S. Trap 8 Jun 2011, 9:20am

            innit Will.
            Being that it made absulutely no sense, one has to wonder if the medication is starting to take effect.

  11. John, I wholly concur. Its absurd having religious CPs when straight civil marriages don’t even have it. Waste of time and money. If anything, it will be discrimination against straight couples who might want a religious component in their ceremony but who for some reason aren’t allowed to marry in a church, e.g. a straight divorced catholic who wants to remarry with a religious ceremony.

    1. Even the Lesbian Gay Christians have admitted this week on their website that:

      “…..will be all too easy for the law to come into force in a way that makes it financially impossible for the Faith organisations who wish to perform these ceremonies to be able to do so.”

      Of course it will, it will cost around 1500 to register as a CP venue , how many people are actually going to want to do this even if they are allowed to by their church or religion. The expense to the councils for policing the relgiious service and further training etc is ludicrous. All these chruches already do marriages, nothing much has to change for them to do “gay” marriages. Logically and in practice it should be easier to change the marriage act than the useless , restrictives regs for approved premises for CP venues…I’m so pissed off with this crappy , measly change in the law which is supposed to be the next big thing for LGBT rights in the UK..

  12. Unitarians rock!

  13. Lovely woman. I wish her well.

  14. What a great woman.
    My general experience of Unitarians has been positive. They are very open-minded and, in terms of knowledge of the Bible and Christian history, beat the ‘conservatives’ hands down. Which is not much of a surprise.

    1. So you don’t agree with the rest of PN readers that Unitarians are mentally ill?
      That would be refreshing.

      1. I don’t presume to generalise on what such a vast group as ‘the rest of PN readers’ think.

        1. Jock S. Trap 8 Jun 2011, 9:26am

          It seems pepa is the only one that clearly thinks people who believe in God and now the Unitarians are mentally ill being that he is the only person I have seen go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and…. blah blah blah

          1. Report pepa’s comments like I now do even though there doesn’t seem to be any moderation here, still he is a disruptive hit and run troll.

  15. Well done. And she simply proves the fallacy that the “christian” right in the US tries to perpetuate – that ALL religion is against marriage equality. It is not true. What they really want is a christian Taliban, where one sect dominates the law and public policy for all – something that must never be allowed in a time/place where the belief is not universally held.

    I am so happy to see Christians standing up and declaring that the hatred and discrimination is not done in their name. More of them should do it, be heard, or be tarred with the same brush.

  16. David Skinner 8 Jun 2011, 3:32pm

    I think that straight blood donors should refuse to give any more blood whilst, out of their taxes, they are having to payi for gays to continue recklessly putting their own lives and those of others at risk.

    And we have to tell this high priestess of monism that though God might always be forgiving and some people are forgiving, nature never forgives

    1. Nature didn’t forgive you, it left you scared and ugly on the inside, David. Didn’t it? Be honest now, we can all see it. No wonder you’re angry all the time.

      1. Ignore him. He’s a nut.

    2. Jock S. Trap 9 Jun 2011, 9:47am

      Closet case alert!

      1. Somebody disconnect the megaphone he’s got poking out of the door.

  17. Daniel de Culla 8 Jun 2011, 7:01pm

    Congratulations Dawn. You’re Yes.
    Great.
    Kisses and LGBTJ Blessed Be¡

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