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  1. Eric Sins 4 Jun 2011, 7:00pm

    Ok, I understand the want to be exclusively gay because for years we have been kept out of groups if we identified or disclosed our sexuality. However, don’t you think the way to beat discrimination would best be to not discriminate based on any identifier?

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Jun 2011, 9:50am

      Indeed the best way we can be is showing how accepting we are and not discriminating like what a lot of LGBT people have suffered.
      Surely makes for a far better enviroment and the support is always great too.

  2. This is wrong and flys in the face of equality. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves.

  3. martyn notman 4 Jun 2011, 7:38pm

    total stupid. They are self identified Bisexual how in gods name can they be “not gay enough”. This is the kind of thing we are supposed to be fighting against..

  4. I wonder if there’s a limit to the number of pedophiles you can have on a team too? After all, it’s just an alternative lifestyle.

    1. ?????????? Weirdo. Are you a pedophile? This is pink news, not pedo news, you’ve got the wrong website mate.

    2. Jock S. Trap 5 Jun 2011, 9:51am

      What a bore.

    3. Yawn, the same tired and outdated comparison between gay and paedophilia, Bill. Do you seriously think anyone here will be able to address that level of ignorance?

  5. Bi Social Nework 5 Jun 2011, 2:04am

    This is insane, it’s like saying Bisexuals are straight… that’s insane… They are bisexual apart of the Gay community. This is now why we need our own community forget about the gay community they could care less about us!

    1. jrogers29 5 Jun 2011, 2:01pm

      I agree. Just like transgendered people are still ridiculed by the Community. Thankfully my little town’s center doesn’t do this (as we had a straight married couple on our board) let alone with our own, local, team. We shouldn’t be discriminating like this with our allies. It’s like the gay rugby teams here in the US. They haven’t excluded their straight members why should gay softball?

      1. Staircase2 5 Jun 2011, 4:41pm

        In my experience as a gay man in London transgendered people arent discriminated by the gay scene – in fact the gay scene has always welcomed transexual and transgendered people from the very beginning.
        If anything the issue has been that they are so widely welcomed on the gay scene that gay men have had to fight str8 prejudice on the idea that being gay is the same thing as being transexual or transgender.

    2. Staircase2 5 Jun 2011, 4:48pm

      Not true
      there are some natural divide lines between the bisexual and gay members of the ‘gay’ community (and for the most part read ‘gay clubs’). The natural divide between gay men and bisexual men is based on the relative social acceptance that one group has over the other and the fact that many closeted men identify themselves as bisexual rather than come out as gay.
      Of course there are some bisexual men who are truly and equally attracted to men and women – the point isnt about that though but the way that most of them for political reasons will choose a female public partner whilst sleeping with men on the side and becoming almost invisible in terms of the gay liberation movement.
      The way society views lesbian sexuality means that bisexual women are viewed as every (str8) man’s fantasy and do not have to endure the same social and political problems with regard to their sexuality.

    3. Staircase2 5 Jun 2011, 4:51pm

      For the most part ‘bisexual’ people are only visible on the gay scene in terms of sexual activity and INVISIBLE in terms of sexual identity.
      Of course this will cause resentment and antipathy. Full marks for those bisexual men on the team who are taking the team to court to stand up for their right to be counted! We could do with more bisexual men and closeted gay men to stand up and be counted in general!

  6. Jock S. Trap 5 Jun 2011, 9:48am

    There is a ‘B’ in LGBTQI so really don’t see why they are excluded.
    Surely this should be on merit and a credit that people want to participate together.
    That is what sports is about after all.

    Just to point on another comment about how the American Boy Scouts have a ‘constitutional right to exclude gay participants… WTF
    Nothing like damaging them while they are young with messages of unacceptance and being unwanted just because of who you are.
    Why are they excluded?
    Whats the problem?

    As for people not being ‘Gay enough’ to join a team…
    Teams are what people be when they are proud and work together, should we really dismiss those who wish to be a part of it?
    We should never be like those straight people who chose to exclude.
    We as LGBTQI people are far better than that and a lot less petty.

    1. Commander Thor 5 Jun 2011, 12:29pm

      I think it says more about the Boy Scouts than the gay kid that gets rejected, but sadly this is not always clear to the gay kid at the time.

      1. Jock S. Trap 5 Jun 2011, 3:45pm

        Some humans should pity the amount of anger and hate they have.

  7. This is totally stupid – how can you want to be accepted if you are not accepting yourself. Shame on this baseball league. And as to the judge – is it constitutional for the boy scouts to also exclude, non-whites, non Christians, non men etc.

  8. I totally support any straight or bisexual who is supportive of gay people and their rights. We should take the high road, open our arms and welcome them if we want to get ahead and win our full equality. We lead by our example. Reverse discrimination isn’t the solution. Shame on them that they haven’t grasped the concept of equality for all.

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Jun 2011, 3:47pm

      Surely we have to show we are nothing but accepting of anyone who wishes to stand along side us.
      If they’re that proud why shouldn’t we be?

  9. rej4sl, I believe the reason why its legal for the Boy Scouts to discriminate against gay people is because its not government funded, a private organisation in fact. Yet, all mens’ country clubs in America apparently aren’t allowed to discriminate against straight women from becoming members. That’s the American way apparently, totally screwed up and unequal.

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Jun 2011, 3:48pm

      Indeed and Very damaging.

    2. de Villiers 6 Jun 2011, 7:52am

      I’m not sure that is correct. My understanding is that men’s clubs can discriminate against women because of the constitutional amendment permitting freedom of association.

  10. Staircase2 5 Jun 2011, 4:35pm

    “the American Boy Scouts have a constitutional right to exclude gay participants”? WTF?
    How on EARTH do they have a constitutional right to do that?

  11. Staircase2 5 Jun 2011, 4:37pm

    Theyre getting themselves into this mess purely because the US is discriminating gay men and women in the first place.
    If they werent doing that and saying ‘its understandable’ then this legal action wouldnt have a leg to stand on.

  12. Staircase2, from what I know, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act or ENDA as it’s is sometimes referred to, hasn’t been passed. There’s a direct correlation as to why the Boys Scouts group among others, can get away with it. Gays in America can still be sacked from their jobs, refused housing, and a host of other things that straights aren’t subjected to as much as we are. It gives licence to others to continue discriminating which is why the majority of republicans are against full equality, even some of our own gay people, those who belong to the Log Cabin and GOProud groups the latter believing we already have it.

  13. If straight people want to show their support of gay people, surely the obvious way is to bat on the same team, so to speak. This judgement is simply ludicrous and reeks of the kind of discrimination we have been fighting against for decades. If we were not so self-centered, complacent and indifferent it would be US decrying this judgement in force and boycotting our own teams that refuse to admit straight people who want to show solidarity with us.

  14. What do they want? All team members to turn up with bleached hair donning pink feather boas, yellow tutus and waving pom poms in order to prove their “gay” credentials? Strewth!!!

  15. Sounds to me like the judge is making a ruling for a gay team to be able to discriminate so that straight ‘boyscout’ organisations can continue to discriminate.

  16. Wonderful silliness.
    What is the precise status of this ‘amateur’ alliance? If they receive no public money at all and have no paid employees (or don’t discriminate in respect of them), they should be able to exclude anyone they want, and it should be the same for any informal social group. Which doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be criticized for it, of course. Dead simple.

  17. I do feel sorry for the three players who lost out because of the two straight players.
    on a lighter note of the funny side of who can sue in the States this one take the biscuit… Players suing to “bat” for the other team!

  18. de Villiers 6 Jun 2011, 7:57am

    The issue of discrimination is not so clear to be able to say that it is always bad.
    Freedom of association permits us all to associate with whom we wish without outside interference. For many minority groups, this allows them to carve out minority space from an otherwise majoritarian culture.
    A gay club should be able to discriminate against straight patrons because the purpose is not to discriminate per se but to avoid cultural domination.
    Although straight clubs may not have written policies barring gay persons, the marketing, atmosphere, culture and may create such an effect. The effect of such situations is that heterosexual people have purely heterosexual space, being the majority of clubs, without the need for written rules or restrictions.
    Written rules may be necessary, however, to protect minority spaces from being dominated by counter-majority culture.

  19. de Villiers 6 Jun 2011, 7:59am

    – by majority culture.

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