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London borough tries to reassure critics after homophobic Catholic charity awarded £89,000 contract for counselling in schools

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  1. Even if they are unable to be homophobic can they give the best advice and help to a homosexual kid as someone who doesn’t hold there homophobic views

    1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jun 2011, 2:28pm

      Exactly, I very much doubt it.

    2. @Hamish

      I totally agree.

      I have no doubt they may be well trained counsellors (and some of them may not share the ethos of the organisation they are employed by) but there is potential for children to receive biased and unsupportive care. In an era where the ethos across all organisations is supposed to be focussed upon the fact that “Every Child Matters”, this contract award seems to suggest that Richmond on Thames council view some children as mattering less than others.

    3. I don’t feel at all reassured, I can’t imagine why anyone would feel reassured.

  2. this is a terrible decision and will hurt kids

  3. The Whore of Babylon should not be permitted to have any such contract. Roman Catholicism is the working of evil in the world!

    1. de Villiers 1 Jun 2011, 5:37pm

      I find the reference to the ‘Whore of Babylon’ to be a disgraceful comment that attacks me as a Frenchman and a Catholic.

      1. friday jones 1 Jun 2011, 11:25pm

        I agree, it’s an insult to whores and Babylonians alike.

    2. I think it’s one of many, Neville, and probably a long way behind unregulated capitalism. Do I spot a Protestant fundamentalist here?

  4. Stupid decision. There needs to be an investigation in to who made that contract award.

  5. There are so many more worthy charities in need of this money, at a time when all charity funding is cut, and they do THIS. Sickening.

  6. Martin Lawrence 1 Jun 2011, 1:35pm

    In Richmond of all places, normally a bastion of liberal ideas. What the hell is going on?

    1. The council is Tory lead.

      1. Zac Goldsmith is too busy working on a superinjunction or two to worry about what’s going on in his patch.

    2. Mumbo Jumbo 1 Jun 2011, 8:08pm

      Welcome to “The Big Society” – motto: “handing over your public services to religious freaks and local lunatics with strong opinions and too much time on their hands”.

  7. Christine Burns 1 Jun 2011, 1:37pm

    You do wonder what they are going to do when they meet the first teenager who wants help regarding homophobic bullying or coming to terms with their sexuality?

    Are they genuinely going to give impartial advice and signpost local LGBT services and facilities.

    Or are they going to advise the teenager that they’ve only themselves to blame for the bullying and that the solution is to pray the gay away.

  8. “Although the Society was required to sign the Council’s equalities policy before it was awarded the contract” – but I thought the Chrisitan charities had a different intepretation of equalities policy….they think they have opt outs which other people don’t have, surely they shouldn’t have been awarded this contract since their opt out make them unsuitable for this particular job..

    Is this an old story?

    1. Excellent point.

      The same charity wasn’t willing to obey the law on adoption, and so it ceased adoption services. Why is it suddenly so willing to obey equalities law?

      Has the Catholic Children’s Society resolved to ‘respect other beliefs’? (Interesting that it is Richmond Council telling us that, not the Society.)

      Or, more likely, is it because the Society could not have concealed refusal to serve gay would-be parents, whereas counsellors will be able to give teenagers all sorts of misleading ideas in the privacy of a consultation?

      LGBT children in Richmond, girls needing advice on terminations, and anyone having sex should remember that there are plenty of other sources of counselling.

  9. How and why did the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy ever decide to accredit the Catholic Children’s Society?

    If you take a look at the BACP statement on equality and diversity you will notice that it is incredibly out of date.

    1. Counselling is dangerous it’s like brain washing

      1. @James!

        Counselling handled well is a genuinely positive and supportive tool that assists individuals to reflect on their actions, thoughts and experiences. It is endorsed by many groups of clinicians across professional boundaries.

        Poorly practiced counselling can be dangerous.

        Counselling should never be like brain washing – it should be about facilitation of thinking and discussing thoughts, experiences etc. It should not be about what the counsellor thinks but about what the individual thinks and feels.

        Your flippant comment that counselling is dangerous and likening it to brain washing is short sighted, damaging to those who may be vulnerable and undergoing counselling currently and irrational.

    2. @Dave

      Out of interest I had a look at the BACP statement and it certainly isn’t the current use of language I would expect from such an organisation.

      Oddly, I had though BACP would be a proactively strong organisation in terms of diversity.

  10. It’s ridiculous to believe someone who works specifically for a Catholic charity is not going to put their Catholic beliefs before any other interest. (And I’m not being mean, that’s just a fact… they joined that organisation because of their faith and they are, after all, only human).

    So I can only think that Richmond council is just staffed by a bunch of incredibly naive and “glass half full” sorts rather than people who make rational decisions based on the best interests of children. It’s a very silly, and possibly harmful, decision to give money to a religious charity for counselling in schools!

    1. Why attack Richmond Council? This would not have happened if the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy had been doing its job properly. I suggest they are the ones to blame.

      1. Can you be part of the BACP and also I think there is a association of christian counsellors…I read briefly somewhere that BAC emphasises “respect for whatever the client’s values” and the ACC limits ” respect and placed more emphasis on undefined Christian values, and Scriptural authority, but without
        specifying how these are determined” – could there be conflit between the 2?? ie being part of the ACC overrides what they get taugh by he BAC

      2. @Dave

        With respect it was Richmond Council who awarded the contract. They should not be so naive to assume the BACP would do the correct checking and vetting. Richmond Council are the ones who are responsible for ensuring the integrity of the services they contract – not BACP.

  11. There is NO way this charity is going to allow gay people to adopt. If it has signed an equalities agreement and denies gay people their right to adopt, then it must return the £89,000 and in addtiion. be subject to a heavy fine for committing fraud, or face closure, end of.

  12. Very bad decision. I’m still trying to recover from 12 years of Catholic schooling. The negative message that they teach is damaging to the self esteem of young GLBT kids and can result in years of self loathing, clinical depression, and possibly suicide.

  13. Jock S. Trap 1 Jun 2011, 2:27pm

    What a disgrace.
    Nothing more than forcing their religious agenda on people and esp on people that have no interest.
    I question how this will work effectively and I have to add to the comment:-
    “…claimed that staff from the Catholic Children’s Society were committed “first and foremost” to their professional standards and “not by standards of the Catholic Church”.”
    That is of course unless your LGBTQI because I can’t see the Catholic Church standard not being applied.
    This decision is just plain wrong and not in the interests of any child.

  14. And you can bet that this “charity” will select only catholics as adoption candidates and that they would have to sign an agreement that the children would have to be raised (indoctrinated) as catholics. Has anyone looked into that I wonder?

    1. Not sure that is totally relevant to the particular wrong decision Richmond council have made in this instance as this is about counselling of children in schools. However, in terms of Richmond council reviewing their decision making processes which have been found to be lacking – that is a wider valid point

  15. Guess what party runs the council people……. you guessed it, the conservatives. Sooner or later gay uncle toms will have to admit the tory party has not changed!

    1. Do they care at all? They’re betraying their own people, and many of them are still posting their twisted messages here. Later they’ll just disappear and tell everyone they know nothing about it.

      1. Indeed. The level of spin such gay uncle toms put on their tory support is appalling.

        I dont mind if people support the tories. Just admit they are homophobic.

        1. de Villiers 2 Jun 2011, 12:23am

          Perhaps you should just admit that you are blinded by political hate.

          1. yes a conservative council gives psychological counselling to a homophobic organisation, and im blinded by political hate.

            Clearly your someone who has not got it in them to ever criticise a right wing party.

  16. Given that the society is accredited and has given various signed written assurances to abide by the Equalities Act, not promote Catholic moralist, etc., if the council were to deny the society the contract on the basis that it was Catholic then that would be blatant religious discrimination.

  17. What’s next, the KKK being brought into counsel children on racism?

    1. I wonder if Bernard Manning ever did a DVD on sex equality?

      If not, Richmond Council should ask Roy Chubby Brown if he would like to make one …

      1. Yeah, Stu. He’d be a great choice. At a stretch, at least Roy Chubby Brown thinks he’s funny (granted only him and about 7 Neanderthals) …. but the bigger joke is allowing these why would anyone think allowing this lot near children would be good idea.

  18. Yes, let’s put children who are showing signs of being gay from a young age, closer to the Catholic Church, that’ll help. I suppose it makes it easier for the Priests to get hold of them.

  19. OK. Wildly inappropriate appointments suggest ‘kickbacks’ to me….

  20. Another Hannah 1 Jun 2011, 9:28pm

    so much for any care or counselling for gay kids. Do they honestly think they could provide any resonable service to them?

  21. johnny33308 2 Jun 2011, 6:04am

    Those organizations and people who have a proven record of prejudice should never be allowed to counsel anyone much less children who may need exactly that type of support this group is bigoted against. his must not be allowed to stand and it was a huge mistake-can anyone take such chances with children? Why would anyone allow a bigot to counsel anyone??? This is stupid and whoever made the decision is likely a Christian with the same views and so should be removed from any position of responsibility in relation to vulnerable people. Really! Religion has NO place in secular society’s decisions-at all, ever. Just look at their record of bigotry!!

  22. I am usually impressed by the even handedness of Pink News reporting but am disappointed in this instance that the Catholic Care agency is described as homophobic. They may be wrong in their stance but if they do not fear or hate gay folk, they are not in my book homophobic.

    1. Playing around with definitions today are you?

      Adj. 1. homophobic – prejudiced against homosexual people
      discriminatory, prejudiced – being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand; “a prejudiced judge”

      The Catholic church is homophobic, there is also irrational fear behind the anti-gay prejudice of the Catholic church, the irrational fear that gays are an unspecified threat to society.

      1. nstitutional homophobia “refers to the ways in which governments, businesses, and educational, religious, and professional organizations systematically discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or identity.”

  23. Richmond Council is the same as my Homophobic Council, my Council has spent ‘Nothing’ on the gay community and 6.7 Million on the Religinists within the last year!

    Take a look at Richmond’s ‘Council Spending list’ :

    Or just search this pdf for gay’ish key words and then church’ish key words:

  24. Counselling is a discipline that requires counsellors to keep their views strictly separate from their professional role. The Catholic faith requires an all-pervasive adhesion to its tenets.
    This suggests that a ‘catholic councillor’ can only advise clients within the framework of the Faith. Does this not make this brand of counselling irreconcilable with the professional detachment required of counsellor?

  25. burningworm 6 Jun 2011, 2:21am

    I’m sorry but the majority of statements seem to assume that school is a safe place for gay kids. Its not. There is no safety in a tiered system. No place where there is hierarchy. No immediate change can occur..

    Once again we bellow and chant.

    I wonder if our educational system can educate a child from an ‘economically drained area’ properly? And if they can’t even do that, what does it matter what a gay kid is or isn’t told. What would it matter, if we accept hypocrisy as adults and then that is the rights of passage to be a balanced human being, then why not let them learn it earlier.

    1. burningworm 6 Jun 2011, 2:24am

      …If we are to accept hypocrisy. If that acceptance is part of being a balanced human being why are we denying young gay people the right to mature?

      Unless what is occuring is a deconstruction of power and all that is left are mindless states of affair, power brokers and us so willing to reach the top that we shout down and tread hard on the necks of those we know are forgot.

  26. These people are quacks and frauds and will do more harm than good. Stop them from harming more kids like the did when the pedophile Catholic priest raped and abused the children in the church.

  27. The mere fact that they abandoned children rather than deal with same sex couples shows they cannot be trusted to act contrary to Catholic homophobia.

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