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Catholic Care plans to appeal a fourth time over gay adoption ruling

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  1. When will they learn? Look, get with it, times have changed, stop being so backward.

    1. katie Murphy - ex catholic family 31 May 2011, 9:13pm

      they talk about “legitimate aims”. when in hell was discriminationa and hate legitimate.

      As well as molestation of children, hiding that molestation, and even moving known guilty priests to new locations, where they could continue their crimes, while bringing in the money.

      there ought to be a law- no children allowed in a church school, no church personnel allowed near a child anywhre.

      this would be a real “protect the children”, not the hatefilled “protect the children from the gays” message from the church of molestation.

  2. They don’t want to learn, in my opinion. I think it’s all part of the ‘christian’ push to be exempt from certain laws. If they can prove that religion is some kind of special free-to-disobey-the-law card, then they’ll be free to claim ‘religion’ for anything they don’t personally agree with, and free to continue to spout their divisive, hateful nonsense to ensure there’s an ‘enemy’ to rally the troops, so to speak.

    1. Jock S. Trap 31 May 2011, 12:26pm

      I agree, they don’t want to learn.
      The worrying thing is I think they’re just looking for that one judge that will overturn this decision and they’ll think they are above our laws again.
      I fear they will not rest until they are as you say exempt and override any law they feel they can.
      And to think this is only ever about their right to be bigotted, hateful and discriminating against people who generally are peaceful and loving.
      And still, they thinks thats right.

  3. Can we ALL please ignore whatever cr@p Rich is going to write in response to this story. It gets so boring reading the same reactions to his same boring inflammatory comments. If we ignore him and just report his comments we’ll get rid of him quicker. Loads of message boards on here are just given over to responses to one thing he’s written. Pink News is becoming a bit of a turn off when you see reams of comments that just feed him.

    1. Sure let’s forget and ignore it.
      So do you have any comments to make on this story yourself CMYB?

      1. Ooh Pavlos, got sand in your vagina?- still stinging from the gaga debacle last week? Not every disagreement on a subject is a personal vendetta against you. Saddo.

        1. Jock S. Trap 31 May 2011, 12:28pm

          Ah yes, comments like that…

        2. What did I say now? I was agreeing with you CMYB however you neglected to comment on the topic… don’t be so defensive, I’m interested in your comments when you are not trying to bite chunks out of me.

          1. LMAO- fair do’s.

    2. I agree, CMYB, report every one of them. I have just received a mail form PN saying they they are getting around to removing them, and then hopefully banning him once and for all.

      1. It won’t be a moment too soon. I’m sick to death of ‘Rich’ and his homophobic, misogynistic comments – and those are the ‘nicer’ ones, compared to the ones advocating genocide and wishing death on innocent people.
        I hope PN pass his IP onto the police.

        1. I agree Iris. It must be illegal to say some of the things Rich says on here. Every day he calls for the murder of gay men. It’s disgusting. And then he has the audacity to threaten someone legally when they imitate him. Which of course was not me.

    3. Hopefully I can then start calling myself ‘Rich’ again…

  4. They are really trying it on aren’t they, attempting to claw back special privileges for themselves so they can be above the law that everyone else must abide by.

    Christian outlaws perhaps.

  5. “Catholic Care place about 5 children a year…”

    I don’t think those bigots ceasing their activities would be much of a loss to the world. Certainly not when posed against (as Iris says) the harm that would be done by giving them ‘special’ exemption to disobey the law. If they want to waste their money fighting an un-winnable fight then go for it, I’m just disappointed that my hard earned tax money is being used to defend the case.

    1. They are testing the law, if they get the go-ahead to flout equalities legislation and discriminate against gays then other Catholic adoption agencies will be to free to do same.

  6. Paddyswurds 31 May 2011, 11:34am

    Can anyone explain to me what
    “a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”. means.
    Do they think it is a legitimate aim to discriminate. It’s the money they are worried about….what do they do all year besides facilitate 5 adoptions..? Oh and of course spend all this time and money in court?

    1. a la charity commission guidance “…. the general law says that a legitimate aim is one that hasa reasonable social policy objective such as health improvement or the protection of children. It must be consistent with the lawful carrying out of the charity’s stated purpose for the public benefit, and it must not itself be discriminatory.Limiting the benefi ts to those with a protected characteristic is only acceptable ..if there is a strong justification that shows that the restriction is appropriate and necessary to the carrying out of the aim. The more serious the disadvantage caused to the group(s) excluded by the restriction, the more convincing the case that must be made to justify the restriction. Where the charity restricts its benefi ts to a group that shares a protected characteristic such as race,
      sexual orientation, or gender and the restriction is not justified on the basis of disadvantage or need this can only be justifi ed by particularly convincing and weighty reasons.

  7. If they only place 5 children a year, are they worth keeping going as a charity or a charitable arm in any case?

  8. good riddance – isn’t it bad enough these superstitious and backward people brainwash children. Adoption must be through agencies who respect all people.

  9. GayWebHosting 31 May 2011, 11:47am

    Their only aim is to be able to discriminate. Shame on them that they only manage to place around 5 children per year with adoptive parents… Perhaps they cannot find more who are happy to teach discrimination?

    It is disgusting that rather than genuinely put the welfare of children first, they choose to spend huge amounts on farcical legal battles.. and WE the taxpayer have to fund the defense!

    (When) they lose, they should be made to also pay the defense costs… That would perhaps hit them in the pocket even harder, and who knows, maybe even force them to close…

    Then, perhaps, agencies who genuinely work in the interests of children instead of indoctrination (and who manage to help more than 5 kids per year) could far better do the job!

  10. Goodness gracious, how is it even possible to appeal 4 times?.

    wish the law and tribunal could all stop using unclear phrases like

    “.. believe the Equality Act 2010 allows discrimination on the grounds of sexuality if this is “a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”.

    “… the tribunal said their decision was based in the fact that Catholic Care had not fully considered all the potential alternatives to closing.”

    1. katie Murphy - ex catholic family 31 May 2011, 9:16pm

      they are judge hunting. Dont your laws have a way of telling them that NFW are they going to get a hearing…………….

      Except on the latest child rape cases.

  11. “…Catholic Care, who place about five children a year with adoptive parents have said that if they are not permitted to exclude gay couples, their supporters would cease to donate money…”

    Perhaps they should send their supporters this:
    Homosexual couples make fine parents and prejudice is harming children, says Barnardo’s boss http://bit.ly/e4ra0T

  12. Jock S. Trap 31 May 2011, 12:18pm

    OMG – How many times can you make it clear to people you want the right to discriminate no matter the cost.
    We get it but seriously, Enough already!
    They are clearly hoping to get the ‘right’ judge to take pity on them and overturn this and give them what they want.

    As for the Equality Act allowing discrimination on the grounds of sexuality if this is “a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim” – er how deperate are they to get their own warped way.
    So they think they’ve found a real loophole to leave them Above the law…
    These people should have nothing to do with children, Nothing!!
    It’s getting very tiresome.

  13. if it is legitimate to discriminate then they could be discriminated against, but they’ll never see this – they rationalise homophobia as legitimate

    they’ll never learn and it isnt about protecting or aiding kids, if it was then they wouldn’t be homophobic

    1. Jock S. Trap 31 May 2011, 12:37pm

      They’ll never see your completely right.
      This is their aim in projecting their own acts and blaming all else for the Evils the religion itself causes.

      1. katie Murphy - ex catholic family 31 May 2011, 9:18pm

        In the old days all illnesses were caused by demons. Surprised they havent used this kind of BS ………YET.

        Or maybe they can do an Exorcism on a judge. Exorcisms are like the form of brainwashing hitler did to the german people in the 1930s.

  14. HelenWilson 31 May 2011, 12:38pm

    In six months time when they have failed yet again, they will declare they are going bankrupt and its all the fault of those horrid gays! I can see the Daily Mail articles now.

    This is not about winning the case, its about keeping it in the news, to stir up outrage and the get homophobic MPs to introduce a private members bill. Its the only hope they have left.

    1. Jock S. Trap 31 May 2011, 1:05pm

      Yes, I think your right.
      It has everything to do with stirring up outrage, trying to get people to take sides and pity them into acting against the LGBT community.

  15. Isn’t it funny, Catholic Care can’t fund adoptions but they can afford to fund umpteen legal cases…

    1. Because they are obsessed with gay sex, and its bankrupting them.

      1. Is it just me who thinks Catholic “Care” have a bit of a Napoleon complex? Only being able to place 5 children a year through their bigotry means they feel the need to feel important by blaming the ‘evil’ gays to justify their own existence…

        Or perhaps “the lady protest too much”. I’m off down the bookie to put a fiver on one of the Board of Directors making his way out of Narnia within a year…

  16. If they’re getting any kind of government assistance (financial aid), or help from the tax payers, then let them shut down. Placing 5 children a year is hardly worth while remaining open, a waste of time and resources. Let the Catholic hierarchy pay for them including the upkeep of catholic schools. Ditto the C of E.

    1. Jock S. Trap 31 May 2011, 1:06pm

      Here! Here!

  17. Jock S. Trap 31 May 2011, 1:03pm

    I think they have made themselves look even worse by showing they’d rather close than respect the interests of Five children a year.

    Seriously? And then they want loopholes to discriminate?
    How much more shallow can these people get one wonders?

  18. Ooer missus 31 May 2011, 1:33pm

    When charitable organisations get involved in what are essentially political campaigns, they should no longer be consisted charitable.

  19. The same thing is happening here in the USA. I believe it was Illinois where the catholic charities decided to pull their funding from the adoption agencies rather than have to give funding to support programs that gays benefited from. I say good riddance to them! The church is just showing how bigoted they are. Shame on them for worrying more about gay parents than they do about the children who need homes. I really find it difficult to adequately voice my disgust. I think they need to extend the no discrimination rules with churches/charities to include the idea that if you continue to discriminate, you lose your tax-free status! (That would make some of them sit up and pay attention.) Of course, that wouldn’t work, but it’s a nice dream.

  20. I’m assuming they think its an approach of “appeal over an over again” because they can’t accept the truth that society has moved on from their dogmatic “lets-hate-a-minority” days.

    Such a waste of money and time, they need to have their charity status revoked, I’m sure donors didn’t intend all their cash to be spent on paying legal fees.

  21. Keith Lynwood 31 May 2011, 2:04pm

    As usual the fourth appeal is being paid for by the US religious freaks.

  22. They are pushing because they think this Tory government is going to scrap the Equalities Act. Mr Cameron complained of “too much costly, pointless, and illiberal government red tape”.

    The Government has set up a consultation website where the public and those affected can register their comments about Mr Cameron’s wish to scrap the Equalities Act: http://www.redtapechallenge.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/equalities

    1. Maybe with a majority government, but I can’t see it with the current coalition.

    2. de Villiers 31 May 2011, 4:15pm

      They cannot scrap the Equality Act because it implements various EU Directives that apply across the EU. There will be no repeal of the fundamental anti-discriminatory provisions of the Equality Act.

      1. But I think gay couples in France have been fighting for yrs to be able to adopt children and I still don’t think they’re allowed to despite various victories in European courts..adoption and gays …it’s quite possible the govt could change something here and get away with it??

        1. de Villiers 1 Jun 2011, 2:15pm

          The Equality Act and EU Directives permit discrimination in certain areas where the act is “a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”. French law is the same as English law – it repeats the test in the Directives.
          .
          In any event, the Directives would have direct effect if the Equality Act were repealed. The government will never be able to repeal the provisions of the EA without leaving the EU or without having citizens being able to rely directly upon the Directive.

      2. I certainly hope you are right there DeVilliers

  23. Karyn, I support getting rid of their tax exempt status, but I couldn’t imagine any U.S. senator or Congressman or woman having the integrity or decency to do just that, it’s political suicide and we all know none of them would put doing the right
    thing ahead of their careers or power, except perhaps for Dennis Kucinich!

    Here in the UK, I’d like to see the Church of England disestablished as well as the House of Lords, the most undemocratic, unelected component of our political system filled with a lot of bigots, 28 of them I believe are religious clerics from the established cult.

    1. de Villiers 1 Jun 2011, 2:19pm

      At least when making an argument use the correct words. Neither the Church of England nor the Catholic Church are “cults” in the understood meaning of that word. A “cult” is a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
      .
      If you wish to attack the Church of England or the Catholic Church then do it honestly and plainly – there is no need to debauch the language.
      .
      It was Humpty-Dumpty who said, “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

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