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Sarkozy ally compares gay marriage to bestiality in French parliament

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  1. Stuart Neyton 27 May 2011, 10:34am

    “I meant it as a joke”

    Maybe i’m just dour and humourless

    1. She’s clearly deeply weird if that was one of her jokes, how did she ever get to become an MP with such a poor lack of reason and taste?

      1. Even if she has a bizarre and offensive sense of humour – how has she lasted so long in politics if she is unaware of what is politcally expedient to use in humour and what is not?

  2. Mumbo Jumbo 27 May 2011, 10:43am

    “So in that case, why not unions with animals?”

    Or bitches…..

  3. Wow! Another currazzeee b1tch in the style of Iris Robinson. Seems every country has its own walking talking f!!kwit.

    1. and PInk News have a few of their own …. unfortunately …

  4. Great reaction from the others though! If the rest of the French UMP can be outraged by this comment then that’s pretty positive, after all it’s an argument that keeps cropping up – marriage equality will lead to polygamy, reaction no it won’t and issue an apology for saying it!!!!

    Shame though the law commission rejected the PS proposal, to be discussed further on the 6th at the nat assembly – nice if PN reported more on these things, noticced that Estonia made some moves to CPs this week and Latvia was requested by HRW to introduce them – where is all the European news???

  5. HelenWilson 27 May 2011, 10:49am

    Maybe Brigitte Barèges neck should be introduced to madam guillotine!

    Its just a joke!

    1. Now you’re talking…that really would make me laugh!

      1. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 12:10pm

        Best French joke – Brigitte Barèges.
        Would be a laugh to see her meet Madam Guillotine.
        I definitely agree.

  6. She hasn’t even apologised properly and just says that she doesn’t see the remarks as homophobic. What a bigot.

  7. What do you expect from someone in the ‘Ugly Moron Party’!!!!!

    1. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 11:38am

      As opposed to the Parti Suicide / Stupide / Shampagne?

      En tous cas, le cerveau il etait en option chez elle.

      1. Oh really , so it was stupid of the PS party to open the discussion on marriage equality in France and attempt a bill …of course they wouldn’t have succeeded since the homophobes are still in power but at least they aren’t a bunch of hyporcritical homophobes!

        1. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 2:27pm

          The PS are the most hypocritical people in France. The left might say that they are for the poor but they are really for the rich. At least the right are honest about being for the rich.

        2. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 2:38pm

          Just look at DSK (millionaire), Segolene Royal (millionaire), Francois Hollande (millionaire, womaniser), Jack Lang (millionaire) who for bundle of cash and power turned his back on the PS to work for Sarkozy.

          President Mitterrand was one of the most corrupt men in France, a law-breaker, a liar, a millionaire whose closest colleagues happened just to die or disappear, who sympathised with the Vichy regime and who glorified the Vichy Prime Minister, the criminal Philippe Pétain. He deserved the PS Prime Minister Edith Cresson, who was involved in criminal fraud.

          And now the left are even opposing the candidature of Christine Lagarde for the IMF, showing themselves to be incompetent, small minded and against the rights of women.

          The Left in France is the most opportunistic, criminal, dishonest band of brigands. At least the Right are honest about what they are. The way the Left is going, the Front National will end up back in the second round run-off.

          1. De villiers – there is absolutely no way LGBT rights will improve in France under the UMP party unless they are either forced to change by the EU or by the legal system, if you’re happy with that as a gay person who has to live and work in France then good for you, so many more gay people are not and that is way the PS party, despite all their faults, are the only party that will improve the sitution in France for gay people. This artilce shouldn’t be about a comment from a UMP ally of Sarkozy but is really a story of their rejection of marriage equality , just one more let down for gay people in France by the ruling party! The UMP are hyprocital beause they do not lead exmplemary married lives yet they condemn gay partnerships..didn’t you get the point!!

          2. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 5:47pm

            John,

            Don’t be patronising. It’s weak and laboured. I don’t need lessons on French politics or French gay activism from you.

            Your point on hypocrisy is empty and you should acknowledge that. Both parties, the UMP and the PS are hypocrites. All politicians in France are hypocrites, although perhaps in different ways. It’s nothing more than stupid to say that at least the Left are not hypocrites. No-one in France would recognise such a statement. Just look at the way the left has behaved over DSK, jumping to support him rather than thinking about women’s liberties.

            Further, I am able to vote for the UMP for the President and the PS for the Assemblée or vice versa so I do not have to throw everything in with one party. If the PS have not occupied the Presidency since the unbearable Mitterrand it’s because they have been a hopeless shower, divided on the EU referendum, and too pre-occupied with internal backstabbing.

            Finally, one exclamation mark is enough.

          3. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 5:49pm

            Also, the Left have never legislated for gay marriage. Never. We have PACS which are for gay and straight couples. The left has never managed to get itself together to lift one finger for gay marriage. In all the years of the PS, it has achieved zero in that regard.

          4. For heavens sake de villiers it’s the PS who are proposing the marriage equality bill and the rejection of it is by the UMP party and the comment is from a UMP MP! and if I may !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          5. Oh yes Chirac was a vision of honesty and virtue…

          6. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 6:52pm

            Talk is cheap in opposition. It’s all talk with the PS. They achieve nothing when in office. They look left and govern right and then pretend otherwise.

            We all know Chirac was a useless President. But at least no-one pretended otherwise. ANd why was Chirac elected? It was because the PS were so useless they let Le Pen through to the second round.

          7. John, forget trying to reason with de villiers. The right wing politicians could do what they want and he’d still defend them.

          8. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 9:13pm

            You always showed nastiness in your core, Eddy. I’m on the right but you are the one with darkness in the soul.

          9. Eddy 2 – I think you’re probably right – I can’t understand the reason that just becuase you’re honsest about the fact that you are right bastards then you should be given a grade A and the fact that according de villiers that if you are dishonest in your private life but are actually fighting for LGBT rights in France (this bill shows that!!!) that you should be given a grade F….

  8. HelenWilson 27 May 2011, 11:04am

    Even if it was “just a joke” its still homophobic….how the hell dose the “just a joke” line make it any less offensive and demeaning to same sex couples?

    1. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 12:11pm

      I think she just trying to save her only wrinkly skin.
      She didn’t think people would go against her so I think really asks the question is she really suitable for the poisition he holds?

  9. Peter Becks 27 May 2011, 11:37am

    They’re French… enough said.

    1. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 11:39am

      You sound like an American.

      1. Peter Becks 27 May 2011, 12:03pm

        It wasn’t meant in a racist way, simply that they have far more conservative views in France and are behind the times with regards to acceptance.

        1. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 12:12pm

          You say that Peter but the reaction actually says differently.
          Shows things are clearly changin!1

          1. Peter Becks 27 May 2011, 12:22pm

            I don’t deny that things are changing but don’t forget that this is a gay news website so of course this is bound to hit pink media. I don’t see any mention of this on the BBC for example.

          2. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 1:07pm

            Well yeah thats a fair point.

        2. France is ultra conservative and backward but the U.k. is by no means an example of acceptance.

      2. Better than being French, ey de Villiers :P :D

        1. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 9:10pm

          :-)

      3. I’m American and I love the French, but you sound like a real dick!

  10. The “joke” is not even original. It’s actually one of two main “arguments” that opponents of same sex marriage have been using for the last few years in various countries where the issue is being debated. The other one centres around religious dogma. Beyond that they just appeal to bigoted gut-feeling and avoid debate at all.

  11. she approves of all types of sexual relations between consenting adults – does that mean she approves of incest between adult bros/sisters? orgies? – all this is ok but no marriage equality ?? Very French!

  12. of course in France you’re actually allowed to marry your dead partner ….you just stand there with the photo of your dead partner and the registrar declares you man and wife!!! How is this more acceptable to French society, the ubringing of children etc than marrying 2 people of the same sex!!! Hypocrites and twits..

  13. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 12:03pm

    Some joke.
    Only because she misjudged the response so to try and claw her way back she make it to be a joke.
    It would have been different others agreed.
    Disgusting that she is a politican.
    It is good though that this attitude is becoming a thing of the past.

  14. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 12:05pm

    Anyone wanna put bets on what Rich’s first predictable response will be?
    Will it be fresh or the usual tat?
    Will it make any sense?
    Drumroll please…

  15. Right, it’s only a joke – suggesting that our relationships are not really human. How many more times will this tacky filth get trotted out by these nutters?

    1. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 1:09pm

      If only we had a Pound/Euro for every time we’ve heard this so called ‘joke’ we’d be rich.

  16. This is her humor ? What a hurtful hateful women.

    1. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 1:09pm

      Yeah, if thats he idea of a joke, I’d hate to get on the wrong side of her!

  17. Blooming heck – the comments were condemned by other ump members, thats a encouraging step.

    1. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 12:56pm

      > Blooming heck – the comments were condemned by other ump members, thats a encouraging step.

      Really – what did you expect? France is not a third-world country (or America). Her comments were disgraceful.

      1. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 1:10pm

        That tiny quip at America made me giggle thats for sure!

      2. M[?] de Villiers
        .
        On ne dit plus ‘troisième monde’ en anglais – ‘developing country’ s’il vous plait, c’est préférable.

        1. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 2:46pm

          Vous avez raison – M. de Villiers (Julian).

          Mais, vraiment – ‘developing country’? En France on dit le ‘tiers-monde’, pas le ‘troisième monde’.

          1. I wondered about that – from tiers état?
            .
            And vraiment – makes sense if you look at the original English ‘third world’ (ie non-NATO or -Communist-aligned).
            .
            Sorry, way off-topic.

      3. Yes france is not a third world country, the farmers in the third world actually do some work!

        Plus UMP does not have a particularly refreshing history of gay rights, partly due to Sarcozys attempt to appeal to le pen supporters.

    2. Yet – they still rejected the marriage equality bill and they continue to veto any improvements to PACS etc ….what exactly is the UMP proposing to do to improve LGBT rights in France…action speaks louder than words…

      1. de Villiers 27 May 2011, 2:47pm

        They aren’t. This is the Right in France, not England.

        1. as for England …I repeat action speaks louder than words …..I’m still waiting for improvements!

  18. Amusing to see some people here being (rightly) outraged at that woman’s comments only to make barely less outragous comments about the French… lack of self-awareness, much?

    1. martyn notman 27 May 2011, 2:12pm

      well french-baiting IS something of a tradition this side of the channel- bit like the boat race or queuing or black pudding. Most of my french friends are equally scathing of “le ros bifs” or whatever it is you call us, its rarely meant seriously.
      Its always struck me as strange that a country that spent much of the 19th and early 20th century so advanced in LGB rights has made so little progress recently.

      1. same-sex acts were decriminalised with the revolution and only partially recriminalised (effectively a higher age of consent) during the second world war until 1981. This

        This basically means that there was nothing to fight against in the 1970′s at the height of the gay movement in the US and UK. No activist organisations of note were created and now that rather than fighting against things it is about gaining rights, the structures and cutlure of activism isn’t there. This changed a bit with HIV and AIDS of course but not enough it seems.

        I think that’s why so little is happening in France in terms of gay rights.

        1. martyn notman 27 May 2011, 2:57pm

          thanks, makes a lot more sense now. I can see how a lack of the campaining generation of the 60′s and 70′s in France (although im sure they were out campaigning for other things) would have made a huge difference. So few people (especially the ones under 30) realise what an effect they had over here..

        2. No – it’s becuase the UMP are in power and are likely to be there for some time! What’s the point, didn’t you read the article, the comment from this woman is a result of a campaign for marriage equality….an actual bill in parliamnet that was proposed by the opposition, has the UK’s “activist organisations” and opposition yet to get this far!!!!!!! The EU has more to say on LGBT rights in France than any opposing forces within France!

          1. de Villiers 29 May 2011, 8:32am

            The UMP have passed laws to protect gay rights. At the end of December 2004, the Assemblée Nationale made homophobic comments unlawful as part of the overall discrimination laws. The Haute autorité de lutte contre les discriminations et pour l’égalité made it illegal to incite hatred against gay people. In 2008, the Minister for the Education imposed an anti-bullying policy covering homophobic bullying.
            .
            Internationally, the French Minister Rama Yade in December 2008 pushed a measure through the United Nations calling for the worldwide decriminalisation of homosexuality. It was opposed by countries such as Syria, China (atheist), Russia and the United States.
            .
            Also, whilst the Right were in power, transsexualism was removed from being considered an illness.

          2. de Villiers 29 May 2011, 8:32am

            The UMP have passed laws to protect gay rights. At the end of December 2004, the Assemblée Nationale made homophobic comments unlawful as part of the overall discrimination laws. The Haute autorité de lutte contre les discriminations et pour l’égalité made it illegal to incite hatred against gay people. In 2008, the Minister for the Education imposed an anti-bullying policy covering homophobic bullying.
            .
            Internationally, the French Minister Rama Yade in December 2008 pushed a measure through the United Nations calling for the worldwide decriminalisation of homosexuality. It was opposed by countries such as Syria, China (atheist), Russia and the United States.
            .
            Also, whilst the Right were in power, transsexualism was removed from being considered an illness.

          3. And yet it was Senator Yung, a PS senator that helped gay British nationals living/working get the same legal rights that French nationals enjoy. It was he that wrote the bill for article 515-7-1 which gave recognition to foreing nationals in CPs. It was a PS MEP that jointly wrote a mutual declaration of CPs with lib dems and the greens within Europe and campaigned for this. The UMP are NO FRIENDS of gay people, the Greens and PS party ARE!. GET it into yourt thick head, there is more to life that the homophobic values of the UMP party. My life in France has been greatly improved by he bill of the PS party, I’m thousands of pounds/euros better of now than I ever was simply becuase of the work of the PS/Greens party! I’m now recognised as a couple there and no thanks to the UMP party nor the gay org linked to that party!!!!

  19. What a prize pillock. Is she hoping to be taken seriously about any subject whatsoever after a comment like that?

  20. “I meant it as a joke, and I am personally in favour of all types of sexual relations between consenting adults.”

    Sweetie, the crux of a joke is that its supposed to be funny…. comparing gay people to animals is quite frankly perverse and ignorant. And one should not laugh at the ignorant.

  21. Idiots such as Barèges always try to duck responsibility when they’re exposed and then state “it was a joke”. Such a liar and a total fraud. What can you expect from the homophobic Sarkozy regime, devolved brains, assuming they have any.

  22. johnny33308 27 May 2011, 5:22pm

    People, the ONLY bigotry and prejudice in society against gay people comes EXCLUSIVELY from those who self-profess as “religious”. Do we need any more evidence that religion is truly EVIL? It apparetly damages one’s brain in some way….

    1. I don’t mean to defend organised religion in any way, but I think you’re overstating things – neo-fascist groups are not necessarily religious, even superficially, but can be homophobic, ditto countries hostile to organised religion like China.

  23. Putain de bordel de merd… rejeté? Une France progressive mes fesses!

  24. Têtuniçois 27 May 2011, 11:51pm

    Conservatives are homophobics all over the world . In France the socialist party will vote gay marriage and adoption if they win in 2012 against the homophobic president of France Sarkozy .

  25. jamestoronto 28 May 2011, 5:44am

    It is so reassuring to go to sleep at night knowing that stupidity and bigotry are still universal.

    Her campaign poster which says “let’s change!” (changeons!) should continue with “our minds once we’ve found out as total lunatics.”

    Can anyone explain why is it that countries that are founded upon revolutions and revolutionary concepts are among the most homophobic in the world?

    The USA’s “All Men Are Created Equal,” France’s “Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité” , Russia’s “Workers of the World Unite.” would all be laughable except people REALLY believe them.

    Isn’t odd that constitutional monarchies seem to be light years ahead of the so-called republics when it comes to equal rights?

  26. de Villier, en suposant qu’elle a un cerveau comme M. Sarkozy et son parti!

    N’a pas Edith Cresson en dire autant de Gays Britannique il y a quelque temps?

    1. de Villiers 29 May 2011, 8:19am

      Sarko is not at all perfect – but he did make the FN collapse at the last election and I have no sense that gay people in France feel attacked by the UMP. My point about the Left was that they are bigger hypocrites than the Right. They really do nothing other than promote themselves and make themselves rich on the back of the votes of the banlieues.

  27. jamestoronto, I totall agree, you make some excellent points. Further, America prides itself on being the greatest, freest country on earth. I wonder how they arrive at that? To me its sheer arrogance. So much for
    its constitutional claim that all men are created equal. Its never lived up to it and never will in our lifetime. It has a mob rule mentality when it comes to equality, bigotry trampling on basic civil rights for gay people.

    The fact that some monarchies have enacted full equality doesn’t surprise me. None of them have any real power as such. They’re more ceremonial and signing bills that Parliament has passed in the case of the UK for example. The Bill of Rights of 1689 I believe put an end to absolute power by the monarchy, taking away its right to override acts of parliament. Its roots of course can be traced back to Magna Carta and later the Habeus Corpus Act of 1679, all of which later inspired in large part the American Bill of Rights in 1789.

  28. Sad, sick, deluded woman seeking publicity. To be completely ignored and certanly never voted for.

  29. Rich (original) 28 May 2011, 10:17pm

    Perfect comparision! Bravo!

  30. In a Perfect world her resignation letter would’ve been approved already. I thought the French were progressive people, but Brigitte Barèges has shown that I was wrong.

    How in God’s name can any sensible people compare two adult male or female to a man and dog? Can a dog say ‘I do’? Can a dolphin sign a marriage certificate and repeat the vows of marriage? It is as foolish as comparing the realtionship of two adults to that of a man and a 6 years old girl. It’s obvious that she is NOT ready for marriage. people who continue to use retarded analogies to support their intolerance for gay marriage are not competent to be in a leadership position.

  31. rose white 29 May 2011, 1:54pm

    just how many polygamous marriages are there in France’s Muslims/Asian/ethnic minorities?

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