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Illinois Catholic groups stop foster care services over gay parents

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  1. Another organisation who profess to care about the children in their care but who at the drop of hat shut up shop rather than abide by the laws of the land.

    Such groups don’t give a damn about kids.

    1. Paddyswurds 27 May 2011, 12:17pm

      We should look on this as a great result. These bigots and religious groups should have no contact whatever with vulnerable children. The revelations of the last few years about the way religious deal with children should ban all religious from any contact with anyone under 16 years of age.
      They don’t give a damn about kids, just money and their Abrahamic fiction.
      Again … GREAT RESULT. Good for Illinois for sticking to wquality .

      1. Oh yeh, of course, it’s a good result in that respect but I just find it ironic that these people think same sex couples will somehow damage kids in their care, and so in response to that they close their doors and damage kids further by shutting off another avenue for them to find a loving home.

        Religious folk eh? Logical as always. :D

      2. David Myers 29 May 2011, 9:32am

        Again we agree Paddyswurds! I’m going to have to re-examine my attitude about you. Bravo!

  2. “The Illinois Department of Children and Family Services said cases handled by Catholic Charities of Rockford would be taken over by private agencies”

    That’s good so no kids are disadvantaged and If this charity want to sacrifice themselves I think Illinois is better off without them, good day all round.

  3. Giving their track record anything Catholic should not be let anywhere near vulnerable children .- or indeed any children.

    Glad they had the commonsense to get themselves out of this trade. Better to let no religious based charities do this work.

    1. Totally agree. Any parent that puts their kids in their care, given the evidence of what they not only did, but tried to cover up as well, should be questioned on suitability to be a parent in the first place.

    2. I totally agree. The Catholic churches record on child abuse and its cover up is appalling – world wide!

  4. Can anyone find the part in the bible where it says “thou must not let cheer leave care homes to enter into a loving household headed by gay/lesbian parents”!

    Its one this to condemn gays, but to condemn children to a life without a loving family. Damn.

  5. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 1:06pm

    Good Riddance.
    Thye never had the interests of the child at the heart just their own egos and bigotry.
    It’s time these outdated dodgy children services ceased for the good of the children.
    Now lets hope more children will be happy again in homes with stable, secure, loving parents.

  6. It says, loud and clear, everything you’ll ever need to know about how ‘caring’ these ‘Christian’ charities can be, doesn’t it?

  7. good now stop breathing

    1. Paddyswurds 27 May 2011, 1:35pm

      @James!….
      ….??????

      1. Paddyswurds 27 May 2011, 1:37pm

        @James!
        ……What do you mean, exactly. ??

  8. Good for Illinois! The sick part in all this is that religious cults in America enjoy tax-exemption, they pay NO taxes but get government funding on the backs of the rest of society including gay tax payers. Since this is a church sponsored charity, all of them should stay out of politics or forfeit their exemption. They can’t have it both ways!

  9. martyn notman 27 May 2011, 1:14pm

    given the Catholic Churches past history of “Caring” for chidren this is a good thing all round

  10. They’re only in it for the money.

    Clearly, they were never in it for the sake of the kids.

    Was Jesus Christ that spiteful?

  11. One of the benefits of statism.
    We get to troll trolls.

  12. These stories make me more and more convinced that it is not enough to insist that religious fostering/adoption agencies in receipt of tax-payers’ money should not discriminate.
    Religious organisations should be banned by law from operating these services. The adoption and fostering of children is of overwhelming public interest. This means that, in a rational democratic state, doctrinaire, supernaturalist criteria unrelated to empirical considerations of children’s well-being must be rigorously excluded by law. Freedom of religion means freedom from state interference over what you believe or worship. It does not mean freedom to decide the fate of others on the basis of an unprovable belief, or dispensation to act in a manner which the law forbids to others.
    It all seems obvious to me as a post-Enlightenment citizen. But the RCC in particular believed for centuries that it legitimised the state (rather than the other way around), and the notion dies hard. Oh, so hard.

    1. katie Murphy - ex catholic family 30 May 2011, 10:12pm

      You really added another dimension – the church placing kids in homes where they will be indoctrinated in superstition, ignorance, and hatred of gay people.

      Ending this kind of brainwashing is a homerun.

  13. They can continue their work. They just can’t use our tax dollars to fund hateful discrimination against us. This in no way infringes on their religious liberty—only their right to use tax dollars for discrimination.

  14. Good. People like this should not be in a position where they are making decisions about child welfare as they are clearly not capable of deciding in the child’s best interests.

  15. A sad day for religious freedom :(

    1. But a good day for children…. children’s rights and well-being is paramount above the so called “conscientious rights” of others to think they have a god-given role to be bigots.

    2. martyn notman 27 May 2011, 4:50pm

      they can have all the religious freedom they want..but not at the expense of someone elses freedoms and rights.

    3. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 4:58pm

      Indeed an excellent day for Children and humanity!

    4. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 4:59pm

      Adam
      Religion has exactly the same freedoms as everyone else (oh except Marriage Equality of course).
      They are the ones choosing to be above the law and discriminte.
      They do not have that right.
      Follow the law or ship out!

      1. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 5:00pm

        I meant Marriage Equality for us btw.

    5. But a good day for equality :)

      1. Jock S. Trap 28 May 2011, 8:01am

        Yes, Indeed!!

  16. All the posts trying to make out Catholics are pedophiles are quite sickening. It’s no different to saying all Scout Leaders or Fathers are pedophiles. Bigots.

    1. The Ryan and Murphy reports in Ireland would beg to differ with your head-in-the-sand biased opinion. Its not up for debate, its been more than clearly proven that many (too bloody many) catholic priests were abusing children, and the bishops tried to cover it up.
      Perhaps head out of your bigoted arse and read a newspaper, you ignorance is shockingly embarrassing.

    2. Adam, it’s not just about the abuse (as if that wasn’t bad enough!) it’s also about the scale of the cover up.

      Especially the fact that it goes all the way to the current pope.

      (Just reminding you)

  17. Catherine C Stanlick 27 May 2011, 4:14pm

    I am an adopted child from the Catholic Charities in Rockford. I was adopted in 1950. I have always been proud of the fact that the organization did such a great finding me a wonderful family. UNTIL NOW! How can anyone who claims want to help children find homes, refuse these vulnerable babies good home based on the sexual orientation of the foster or forever parents? Study after study has shown that gay families raise great well adjusted children. It is not the sexual orientation of the parents that determines what a child will become, it is the love and attention a child receives. Get real here folks. LGBT people desperately want to take good care of these kids, they take older kids, handicapped kids, kids that no one wants. How can it be better for any child to be in an institution rather with a loving LGBT parent? I truly believe you have lost sight of the work God wants you to do by denying these children homes because of a parents sexual orientation.

    1. Brilliant and moving post. Thank you.

    2. David Myers 29 May 2011, 9:35am

      Best post on the subject. Congratulations!

  18. Staircase2 27 May 2011, 4:59pm

    “The Illinois Department of Children and Family Services said cases handled by Catholic Charities of Rockford would be taken over by private agencies.”

    HOORAH! :o)

  19. johnny33308 27 May 2011, 5:00pm

    This sort of action by a religious-based charity only shows how very prejudiced and bigoted such charities can be. It is sadly obvious that these ‘charities’ care not one bit for the children they are supposedly helping to find loving homes. In order to maintain their BIGOTRY they throw the children under the bus. No more needs to be said about such ‘religious-based’ charities-their priorities are more than apparent. How truly, disgustingly evil of self-described God’s people to behave in such an uncivilized, uncaring and callous manner. Shameful! Absolutely shameful!!! Everyone knows that gay people are created by straight people-gay people do not create more gay people. That job falls to the breeders, the heterosexuals. The vast majority of gay people do not breed.

    1. Jock S. Trap 28 May 2011, 8:03am

      Indeed.
      These types of religious charities only ever think about themselves Never whats in the best interest of the child.
      It’s time they ceased and gave All children a chance to be happy and secure.

  20. johnny33308 27 May 2011, 5:04pm

    We need more laws to secure freedom from religion-proof is right here before your eyes. Religion should be forever eliminated from humanity-this is but one of many many examples as to why we should take this sort of action.
    It is NOT freedom of religion to discriminate or be bigoted-hardly!

    1. Jock S. Trap 28 May 2011, 8:04am

      Separating Religion and State would be perfect.

  21. Spiritbody 27 May 2011, 5:09pm

    Its very sad that people who consistently tell us that the whole issue of fostering is ‘having the childrens best interests at heart’, dont follow through and practise this. They clearly dont have the childrens best interests at heart if they are willing to withdraw such a vital service that they’ve been providing for years on grounds that, from a common sense point of view, are plain stupid.
    But I also want people to have the freedom to believe what they like and I dont like religious groups being forced into going against their practice.

  22. ooer missus 27 May 2011, 7:07pm

    My guess is that, like the organisations in the UK, the orders came from above and those that actually do the work to find good homes for the kids would be happy to put them with loving gay couples that otherwise fulfill the criteria. But there is dogma being enforced globally by the Vatican, and those who oppose it are seen as heretics.

  23. Great news….now if only the whole effin catholic church would close down….

  24. Please think about what you post here.
    Religion and sexuality may not agree on many things but please do not brand all Catholics as child abusers. We all have rights, the law has changed over the past decades and accepts peoples differences and rights to exist in the manner they want to providing it does not break the law.
    As a Catholic mum of only one I would love to adopt and bring up a child in the faith that my husband and I choose to follow. If gay couples want to adopt and bring the child up with their values, love and understanding then let them – equal rights for both regardless of religion or sexuality. But if the adoption of a child by gay couples goes against everything you fundamentally believe in then that is that organisations choice.
    I accept that they should not be publicly funded but if I want to adopt using a Catholic Agency then that would be the right thing for us to do.
    Please don’t label all Catholics as paedophiles or bigots, how many homosexual paedophiles have there been? Just because a couple are gay it does not mean they will abuse a child, just because a couple are Catholic it does not mean they will abuse a child. We all love our children, we all want what is best for them, and we all have our choices as well as what is already chosen for us.

    1. Jock S. Trap 28 May 2011, 8:16am

      “But if the adoption of a child by gay couples goes against everything you fundamentally believe in then that is that organisations choice.”
      So with bigotry already in place how is that best in the interest of the child?

      As for your paedophile comment.
      We as a community have to hear that kind of filth daily even though we are not.
      There’s a reason why it’s called paedophile, it because it’s about men and women who are attracted to children and abuse.
      It is religion that behaved like hypocrites by then separated into homosexual and heterosexual when that is Not what being homosexual or heterosexual is about.
      Fact is that I suffered under the hand of an Christian paedophile, while him and others preached how wrong I was etc.

      1. Jock S. Trap 28 May 2011, 8:22am


        Yes I know this doesn’t mean everyone but just as many who suffered under Catholic or Muslims etc abuse, it doesn’t change the fact that this abuse was by someone who chose their religion, was taught their bigotry over someone who just happens to have been born Gay, in my case, or Lesbian etc.
        I know that most aren’t abusers but at the same time I know that many do not agree with how I was born.
        “Love the sinner, Not the sin”
        A phrase in itself that is already discriminating.
        What you call a sin, I call love.
        So please don’t preach that we shouldn’t view all in religion as child abusers, when we all know deep down most don’t think that.
        However, I think it’s a bit hypocritical when it seems too many within the Church and religion seem to think All LGBT are!
        Truth is NO LGBT are.
        Only paedophiles are paedophiles and you have to accept that there is more right to brand the religious as that is chosen.

        1. Jock, a great reply and a useful insight as to where we don’t agree.
          Without intentionally insulting anyone I would like to add that I don’t feel religion is always ‘chosen’, my husband and daughter were born Catholic, for me it was something I chose later in life but it was always within me. Being Catholic is not being about being bigoted, it is about having strong moral and family values. We believe in community and in marriage and a loving family to support the children that come into it (birth or adoption), it is about not using contraception so we do not stop the production of children and aborting children that are just the inconvenient product of a sexual act. Now I know that many of my friends have no problems with anyone being gay or gay marriage or gay adoption but placing a Catholic child with a gay couple causes such a contradiction.
          I don’t get on my soap box very often but when we think of having a child or adopting a child do we think of that child as an extension of us? With our own genetic children we picture them as a similar image of ourselves or in the case of adoption sometimes the same colour skin or hair? I know some people adopt from other countries but do adoption agencies look to place a child in the best possible environment for that child or randomly assign them? I am not talking designer children but are we not given choice about race, sex, disability… not all parents could cope with an autistic child, premature baby or one with foetal alcohol syndrome. So parents can choose and agencies choose what is best for the child. If that choice is taken away and we get random luck as to what child we are assigned for adoption then how many children will not thrive?
          Paedophiles are not all Catholic, they are not all gay. If they hide behind religion as a justification of their actions then drag them out and make them accountable. But let us do what we think is best for our children and let us live together with more understanding and love than judgement and hate. And by ‘us’ I mean anyone who is Catholic or gay.
          Just wanted to add that I found this site through a friends facebook postings, she is an advocate of gay rights and I am proud to be her friend. We may come from lifes different directions but when we meet in the middle we find the common ground.

          1. Karen I appreciate that you may mean well but sorry but I think you are being a bit dramatic here. I have family members who are Catholic and I know they are not ” pedophiles or bigots” but for me that not the argument. What my family members have done is denied, minimized and rationalized the unacceptable behavior of their religious leaders. They turned a blind eye to abuse that was happening in their parish or refused to believe it until the proof was undisputable. There has been a never ending barrage of excuses – the most pathetic of all being “we are all sinners” . I now hold all Catholics responsible for the multiple of abuses, including my family members because they could have done much more and they haven’t. In my view it has taking too long and too much work to get everyday Catholics to start thinking about what is best for the children that it is now hard to believe when you hear a Catholic advocating this. There is a credibility problem. Nice is it is to have your posts

          2. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2011, 11:51am

            Actually they were not born Catholic, they were born human.
            Both were taught to be Catholic the same way chose later in life.
            You don’t have to be religious to have strong morals or family values, just as believing in community.
            Any could regardless of sex can and should have marriage as well as be able to provide a loving, stable home.

          3. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2011, 11:54am

            I am a bit disturbed about your attitude to adoption, I mean your comment:-
            “So parents can choose and agencies choose what is best for the child. If that choice is taken away and we get random luck as to what child we are assigned for adoption then how many children will not thrive?”
            At what point is the child’s interest taken into account not just the adoption agency and maybe parents. Not all children as so young yet you talk selfishly about random luck?
            Fine so already you, a straight married woman, talk about a loving supportive family but as far a adopting go you have already ruled out some in favour of others.
            Very often it is those you ‘straight’ people choose to rule out that many Gay/Lesbian adoptive parent get and do well with so you could say that where many heterosexual couple have failed a child homosexual couples have succeeded.
            That gives any right to be treated equally within adoption in my eyes.

          4. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2011, 11:59am

            The right of the child should far exceed the right of the parent as far adoption goes.
            Yes you talk about the right child for the right parent but parents don’t chose what baby is right for them when they give birth to them.
            You are given a live to love, cherish and help grow.
            That is our job as a parent.
            Yours blessed with a daughter, mine by a son.
            They may have been born free but in the end They chose us.

  25. jason smith 27 May 2011, 11:45pm

    goes to show another church that hates where is the gods love

  26. This uplifting spiritual news about foster children and adoptions followed less than 24 hours after the story broke about what’s really happening at the Vatican. The headline from http://gay.americablog.com/2011/05/top-vatican-pedophilia-adviser-arrested.html

    Priest in parish of top Vatican pedophilia adviser arrested for pedophilia, may be HIV+. Apparently 16 y.o. boys are too old, he prefers 14 and under, with family problems.

    I’m confused. If they can’t “pray away the gay” what chance have the rest of us? (SNARK)

  27. Hello Hamish – nice to meet you!

    There seems to be two threads appearing here – one is the failings of the Catholic Church when dealing with the abuse of children and the second that a Catholic Agency chose to close rather than accept gay couples as parents.

    It is totally unacceptable and appalling that the Church has (in some cases) done nothing to stop, prevent, report or be accountable for the abuse of children at the hands of Catholics when they were aware of that abuse. In fact that they dismissed, hid and lied about the truth. Please do not think that all Catholics are like that, we are not, we love life, we love our families, our communities and our children… and don’t you too? Of course the answer is yes.

    But we all have a freedom of choice and the right to believe in what we want to, to live our lives the way we want to and to follow our hearts as well as our instincts.

    1. Put that shoe on the other foot – if scientists could find the genetic profile within a child which says they are gay then would you like that child to be adopted by Catholic parents who will then bring them up with their values and understanding of the world? Would that be in the best interests of the child?
      Forgive me for being dramatic, when I get on my soap box I do tend to rant but I would love to find the middle ground here, to enter into debate and although we may never agree we may be able to accept that we all have the right to our own opinions and that we differ. Whether it is nature, nurture, choice, genetics or environment we are what we are and I only posted here because of the derogatory comments about religion and being Catholic, please look at the good that we do and not focus on the failings, we can spend our lives looking back at what has happened and in the meanwhile miss the things that pass us by.

      1. David Myers 29 May 2011, 9:42am

        We need to distinguish between Catholic persons and Catholic dogma in this debate. I don’t think most persons commenting are condemning Catholic persons per se, just the Catholic dogma of hate against gays and lesbians, and the people who subscribe to this dogma. There are pleanty of Catholics who reject this particular and pathetic dogma.

  28. Given the Catholic church’s history with the “care” of children, they shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids anyway.

  29. katie Murphy - ex catholic family 30 May 2011, 10:03pm

    the church of the endless hidden molestation of children – no way should they be in the adoption biz.

    One of the things I’ve learned is that abused people become abusers, and even monsters. Saddam HUssein was abused by the uncle who brought him up and there are endless other cases.

    its also quite possible that hitler was abused by the church. which helped to make him the madman he was.

    To that hot place down there with the whole hierarchy and those who continue to fund this monster

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