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London: Gay couple threatened with death in violent late night homophobic assault
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Government considers watered down same-sex marriage bill to minimise Tory rebellion
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Tory MP Gerald Howarth: 'There are plenty in the aggressive homosexual community who want more than just same-sex marriage'
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France: Far right activist commits suicide in Notre Dame following legalisation of equal marriage
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Philip Hammond: 'No great demand for gay marriage and it's upsetting vast numbers of people'
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Government to consider abolishing civil partnerships or opening up to straight couples
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Norman Tebbit: David Cameron has 'f**** things up' with his equal marriage bill
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Lib Dem MP Sarah Teather tells Catholic newspaper 'I never went into politics to tackle equal marriage'
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Tory MP David Burrowes: 'I'm not anti-gay; I'm just pro-marriage'
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Lib Dem Deputy Leader Simon Hughes: 'Marriage should be between one man and one woman'
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Roddy MacRae getting his knickers in a twist. Decent people will be better off without him.
No doubt he can find a cave somewhere to set up a new sect.
Good MacRiddance!
A homophobe has gotta do what a homohpobe has gotta do…
Where’s he off to ? Africa? Totally unsuited to being a minister anyway not having true Christian values…
Good Riddance to the ol Bigot.
Try not to let the door hit you in the a.. too late!!
It is truly shocking how Christian love turns to hatred when directed at gay people. These people bring shame upon their so-called ‘religion’ by disobeying God and disobeying Jesus just to judge others. How very shameful indeed. So bigotry it seems is now a Christian value, along with hatred and prejudice. Might as well throw in ignorance and intolerance too, then. Nice bunch aren’t they? Their love and kindness just oozes out of every pore……
And these sorts wonder why church attendance is dying….could it be the bigotry and hatred shown in church….just sayin….hate one hate them all…………..
Better for the church in the long run to have a good clear out of the hate mongers.
Of COURSE Rev. Roddy is irritated, he’s got a burning bush.
A month from today it will be Roddy who? Did what?
Roddy Who?
Did What?
Come again?
Religious freaks…..
Good, let those who disagree leave, diminishing less few bigots to contend with. They are doing us a favour.
This report is slightly inaccurate. The Theological Commission that is to be set up to work over the next two years is looking at the issue of ordaining ministers in same-sex relationships. The motion agreed on Monday already says “People who are homosexual by orientation are not barred by their orientation from membership of the Church or from taking up leadership roles … including the ministry”.
So gay and lesbian ministers are not barred as such – the debate is over those in sexual relationships. Those who are, and who are already ordained, may be appointed to new posts. The study is about the training and ordination of new ministers in same-sex relationships.
Of course discrimination against a person because they’re in a same-sex relationship is sexual orientation discrimination.
when you say orentation doesn’t matter, do you meam gay people who don’t have sex ie celibate gays only…I heard there are some around but most people have sex but aren’t always in a recognised relationship. if so then the ban is almost total..ie no gays
The previous position of the Church of Scotland was as you say: they accept celibate lesbian and gay people as ministers (like the Church of England). As of last Monday, they will also accept non-celibate people in same-sex relationships, so long as they were ordained before May 2009. They are now going to consider (for 2 years!) their rules for general opening of the ministry to people in same-sex relationships. For example, will their rule be that you must be a civil partnership rather than cohabiting?
Of course you’re right, banning non-celibate L&G people is discrimnation.
Just to be clear: the report says that the Kirk has not decided whether to ordain celibate gay and lesbian ministers – that’s wrong, the General Assembly unanimously confirmed that celibate gay and lesbian people can be ministers.
Methinks there is a degree of hypocrisy in MacRaes decision. Did he leave over the Church’s opposition to scripture advocating slavery? nope. Did he leave over the Church’s opposition to scripture advocating stoning adulterers? Nope. Did he leave over the Church’s opposition to scripture over men controlling women? Nope. Did he leave over the Church’s anti-scriptural stance over the eating of blackpudding? Nope. He thought those passages of scripture were ok to ignore or that they had lost their relevance in modern times.
Sounds like you were watching Monday’s debate? Those are exactly the Biblical rules that one of the speakers in favour of ordination of people in same-sex relationships quoted!
In fact I think he said you’re supposed to be killed for eating black pudding?
The selective blindness about ‘Scripture and Tradition’ is so profound that hypocrisy probably isn’t the right word – self-hypnosis, maybe? A fundamentalist once denied to me flatly that the the Pauline corpus and the Epistle of James offer totally opposing views of Christian doctrine, and it couldn’t in fact be plainer (it drove Luther crazy).
Change is always difficult for those who want to entrench themselves in bigotry and discrimination. Usually its not until they are moves to the margins of society by public consensus do they realise their folly.