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  1. Go for it as they said they have the European Courts on there side…. and as for the psychological damage to the children every other county has one and it doesn’t psychologically damage them

    1. Whilst I agree with your thoughts, Hamish – I do wonder what protection the European courts are able to muster in Russia ….

      I hope pride goes ahead without any violence or aggression from the authorities and I hope it demonstrates the need for equality in Russia – I have my hesitations however.

      1. The European courts surely only need to see the aggression if there is any and it will create a global outcry…. I hope. and countries have a tendancy to be on there best behaviour when the worlds watching aswell.

  2. Jock S. Trap 25 May 2011, 2:36pm

    Good for these brave, courageous people who just want to make a difference and improve Human and Gay Rights.

    1. Of what human rights problems you are talking here? Be specfic and a demagogue

      1. demagogue: A political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

        Jock is a demagogue already… he enters into rational arguments with you, or your many alter-ego characters that seem to proliferate on here!

        1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 7:47am

          It’s not possible to enter into a rational arguement with Rich.
          He is not capable of any form of debate.

      2. Rich, which “Demagogic” sub-personality are you playing today?

        1. Yesterday Rich was all supportive of gay rights, and today he’s not. WFT? His mother must watch him from a rocking chair in the attic room…..

          1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 7:48am

            I know I saw that.
            I would say it seems he has multiple personalities but think we all know that can’t be, being he struggles to have just one.

  3. My god, they’re so brave, They put us to shame.

    1. They are not brave, they are stupid.

      1. No they ain’t!

      2. Rich, what would you regard as an act of bravery?

        1. When very small group of Russian dissidents went on their political protest on the Red Square in 1968 in Russia against invasion of Russian army in Chechoslovakia, and they do know for sure that they will end up in the KGB prison Lefortovo, and thenafter in the Siberian concentration camps for SEVERAL YEARS OF TERRIBLE SUFFERINGS, and they will be deprived of ALL civil rights for several years, – that’s act of Bravery! They stands against absolutely mighty persecutive system in the world, and they did not afraid hid themseves. Current Russian homosexuals knows for sure that they will NOT go to Lefortovo prison and nobody in Russia going to tortuture them and then send them in Siberian camps. They are fearful chickens who runs from police time after time, and they even mascarading as marriage couple in fear of police, and they changing places of their “gay pride” events in fear of police actions. They are not brave, they are cowards!!!!…

          1. My god, its a miracle! His English has improved to the level of a native speaker, literally over night! Praise Allah!
            Are you really that fcuking dumb as to expect us not to see through your sad little charade?

          2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 7:53am

            Actually Will I think it just shows how false Rich really is.

          3. And stupid.

          4. So you should stand up and get tortured and if you don’t your not brave. That makes sense…. not. They are facing persecution and they are standing up for there rights in the face of violence something I call very brave

          5. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 6:41pm

            Oh and definitely stupid!

    2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 7:52am

      Mendirin
      I agree but that doesn’t mean we haven’t still go things to fight for he.
      You only have to look at the story about football forums and the way certain people in different religions treat us in This country to see work is still needed.
      But nevertheless, this Russian Pride these brave people are risking their lives and my hat does come off to them.

      1. I agree completely. However, we have a lot less to lose. These guys are physically threatened – we’re largely protected.

        1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 3:54pm

          Oh yeah I agree totally!
          It’s easy for some to criticize from behind a PC knowing full well they couldn’t do anything half as courageous.

  4. Pride in Moscow is more like a church procession, nothing like Amsterdam or San Francisco, where near naked men wearing stilettos and feather boas are the norm, so the real danger to children comes from them witnessing the police failing to uphold the law and impartiality

    1. Russian gays are chicken-like, that’s why they are so peaceful.

      1. How do you know this? Oh I see, you have the imaginary ‘proof’ again!!! Have you even been to Moscow? Or are you just reading advice columns from the Phileas Fogg Words Travel Guide?

      2. Rich, have you ever stopped to wonder why Russian Lesbian and gays are so oppressed compared with the west?

        1. Johnny, Russian lesbians and gays are not oppressed at all. They have their gay and lesbian clubs all over Russia today, they have their gay saunas, they have their bookstors there, they have their magazines and press, and even the gay radio programs, they have full range of civil rights on property, on bank operations, on labour, on movements in the country and outside the country, they have right for political vote, and so on and so on. Gays of Russia are openly participate in public debates on many issues, they are working for high governmental offices in Russia. They are as much as unoppressed individuals as western homosexuals. That’s all factual data.

          1. Even better English here! Curious fluctuation in abilities, eh?
            And again with the Russia-love. Rich is probably some peasant immigrant from some hell-hole like Kazakhstan.

          2. They are as much as unoppressed individuals as western homosexuals. That’s all factual data.
            .
            So why can’t they have a Pride march then? I don’t think you quite understand what ‘factual data’ means.

          3. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 7:57am

            Exactly Rehan.
            If they were “as much as unoppressed individuals as western homosexuals” surely they would be able to have open Pride without the fear of intimidation and violence.
            Rich’s comment makes no sense.
            Yet again just pure assumptions.

      3. You have no idea what you’re chatting about do you?

        1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 3:55pm

          Yep, I think thats the general assumption.

  5. I feel so humble before them. And Peter is there again. All the best.

    1. Peter Tatchell is crazy, that’s why he going to Moscow. Over 300 arrests were not enough for him…. 100 assaults and threats against his life were not enough neither…. That’s the indicaiton of his insanity, unfortunately.

      1. Rich, might that also be an indication of Peters bravery as well.
        .
        Rich, perhaps Peters bravery frightens you?
        .
        Rich, what have you done in your life which is brave and courageous

        1. Psychopaths are “brave” because of their mental disorder and inability to comprehend the consequences of their actions for society and for themselves, and Peter is no defferent in his conducts.

          As for my personal bravery, I cannot make specific statement in this time. But I did several times something what even millions of human beings never dared to do. I did that not for myself, but for the sake of other people. When the time will come, that’s will be known to the history of Mankind.

          1. Still good English here, not as good as before, but not bad. Wonder when his personality will flip back to the pigeon English and abusive fool that he was last week? Well, he’s always a fool, that bit of his personality is at least consistent….

            Anyone else wonder why Rich gets all upset at the Russian based stories, compared to most? My guess is he’s from one of the former USSR “Stan” countries.

          2. But I did several times something what even millions of human beings never dared to do.
            .
            There there, of course you did, love.
            .
            *pats hand*

          3. “But I did several times something what even millions of human beings never dared to do.”

            Refuse an education?

            Live and think like an animal?

            Eat books?

            Stay in the closet?

            Its could be any of these Rehan, bet we will just have to console ourselves in the knowledge that we really don’t care too much what that rabid dog did.

          4. …oh, oh, I know: You slept with your mother?

          5. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:10am

            It’s interesting how these project themselves onto others.
            It’s interesting Rich considers his own ‘personal bravery’.
            It’s interesting that while he does so his definition of a Psychopath was the first thing I though… but not for Peter he has the guts to stand up.
            Definitely for Rich though.
            It’s as if he has a mirror near by his PC.

          6. Brave, as in when some mentally imbalanced fool comes on to a gay site and issues threats that he cannot backup under the anonymity of the internet? LOL! Yeah, how brave is Rich, the spineless cretin.

          7. [i]As for my personal bravery, I cannot make specific statement in this time. But I did several times something what even millions of human beings never dared to do.[/i]

            Well your certainly are brave to come on here and spout your spiteful, vile comments about the LGBT community.

            Only to be shot down in a hail of gunfire, in this case, replies to your spiteful, vile comments. Do yourself a favour, get rid of the bullet proof vest you imagine yourself to be wearing, because, we can see right through it already! its got that many holes it puts bloody Dutch Cheese to shame.

      2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:01am

        Rich
        Maybe you are just jealous of Peter Tatchell and many of those Russian citizens because they display the courage and bravery you could Never muster.
        I mean it’s one thing to stand up for your rights with the threat of violence and completely another to say vile discriminating things behind a PC where no-one can see you.

  6. So they’re going to break the law?

    The rule of law is the touchstone of a civilised liberal society. You can’t just have people breaking it.

    1. bandits are breaking the law prohibiting this event to please religious extremist which goes against the constitution of Russia and Universal Declaration of Human Rights

      they should be hanged
      russia should be invaded mr putin medvedev and all their wtchdogs arrested and tried by international tribunal

    2. @Adam

      Slavery used to be legal – did that make the law right?

      1. @adam and rich

        Apartheid used to be legal in South Africa – did that make those seeking racial equality, wrong

        The argument that the law is the law when it is evidently breaching human rights is weak, inhumane and shallow

        Certainly words to describe some contributors on here

        1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:19am

          Some countries it’s perfectly legal to beat and rape women, is that law right?
          It seems some people, usually male egos, seem to think they should have Every right no matter how degrading it is to another human being while all else should have none.
          But what does that actually say about that particular person?
          Humanity will never improves unless we are given air to progress.
          Thankful, we are already seeing such progress in certain countries that respects humanity.

    3. Yap, Adam…. Thay are troublemakers.

      1. Right, so they’ll be throwing bottles and stones at the police then, in your deluded mind’s eye?. Its more likely to be the Anti-gay thugs that’ll be throwing things.

        GO FOR IT MOSCOW PRIDE!!! FLY THE FLAG!

    4. Rosa Park broke the law. Sue her. Gay power!!!

    5. Adam, how do you think women in the UK gained the vote, do you think they stayed at home writing letters to their “Males MPs”?

      1. Well it wasn’t the suffragette movement which damnaged the cause for women’s votes (Asquith was in favour of women’s votes but withdrew once they started being violent)z the reason women got the vote was because of the good work in WWI which convinced many back bench Conservatives that women had their uses (letters and speeches are filled with old Tories changing their mind after seeing the work they did).

        Please stop living with the myth of the suffragettes.

        1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:27am

          Actually thats not entitley accurate.
          Whilst indeed the suffragette campaign stopped with the outbreak of WW1 many believe that if it hadn’t been for the movement they still wouldn’t have gotten the vote.
          Saying that, voting for women was only for women over the age of 30 in 1918, providing they were householders, married to a householder or if they held a university degree.
          Voting for all adults over 21 years of age was not achieved until 1928.

    6. The rule of law is the touchstone of a civilised liberal society.
      .
      There’s a gentleman called Putin who might be interested to hear about this novel concept.

    7. “The rule of law is the touchstone of a civilised liberal society. You can’t just have people breaking it.”
      Tell that to the demonstrators who successfully brought in democracy in Tunisia and Egypt. Or the ones who fought for Irish Independence in 1916. Or the people who fought for American Independence. They were technically “breaking the law” – history is littered with examples of unjust laws that were broken to free people form oppression. The Nuremberg Laws, hmmmm?

      Adam, your statement is ridiculous. The logical outcome if your nonsense argument is people spitting on Jews in the streets of Berlin in 1934. And we know where that ended.
      I am always stunned at how you homophobes are so consistently stupid and present such ridiculous and ill-though out arguments. I mean, it uncanny. Its the trait you all share unilaterally.
      Why not step aside and let intelligent people debate here, eh? You can run along and get back to cleaning the windows of cars at intersections for spare coinage.

      1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:35am

        Will
        I know this changes the subject but it’s too early to tell if the demonstrators in the Middle East have been successful in Tunsia and Egypt.
        Whilst it looks better for democracy it is still to early.
        Tunsia, itself was always the most open and accepting of Muslim countries.
        It had legal brothels that since the overthrow of the government were burnt to the ground, prostitutes murdered and Muslim elders have dictated that they must never be replaced with a law banning them.
        It;s too early to see if what they protested for they’ll get but I am hoping.
        Having said that it is going to mean a very unstable Middle East for few years.
        People mustn’t forget that even in Western countries the path to democracy wasn’t an easy one.
        We must not expect those countries to be any difference and change over night.

      2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:36am

        However, not to take away from your excellent comment which I do agree with you.

        1. No agreed, Jock, but they’re on the right starting point and they got rid of their respective dictators. It does show how you can’t oppress people indefinitely, there is a tipping point.

          1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 3:59pm

            Yeah it does.
            I feel for them and really hope that now they have started the democratic process they can just keep it going because I think they are very vunerable at the mo.
            But the amount of guts it took to stand up to their dictators, determined to make a difference has to be applauded without a doubt.

    8. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:13am

      Adam
      Since when has being a human being been against the law?
      Oh, thats right since nasty, bigotted people chose to discriminate.
      We have Every right to fight for rights and respect, esp when they want our bloomin money for taxes.
      Give your self some dignity and see all human beings as equal.

    9. It used to be against the law to just be gay would you demand that all those gay men just killed themselves. It used to be against the law to challenge royalty yet this is why we have a democracy now the idea that you shouldn’t break the law even if its unjust is to say we should still live in the dark ages.

    10. Yes you can.

      There are many laws that are unjust.

      1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 4:02pm

        Indeed, Human Rights should be a concern for Every Human Being on this planet.

  7. Im looking forward to a good punch up.

    Are Right Said Fred going again, please go oh and Peter ‘Interfearing’ Tatchall, it was so fun watching the youtube of them getting what they deserved for sticking their noise into another countries business, of what is NO concern to them.

    Said it all along, if a country wants to ban something, then its up to that country, and NO one else. Sometime, people will listen.

    1. James, don’t you know that Peter is an insane? Next time he might go to Iran and will try to arrest their President…. heheheh…

      1. Silence, Kurdistan peasant.

      2. heheheheh….. you sound camp as christmas to me Rich.

      3. Rich, when you chop and change between two different “writing style-personalities”, is that not an indication of you mental instability?

        1. Split personality disorder. The only thing the two personalities have in common is the stupidity of their remarks, whether in good English or bad.

          1. Will, exaclty and very succinitly put!

          2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 4:09pm

            Trouble is Will your implying he has a personality whereas I beg to differ.
            :)

          3. Well, a dog can have a personality…. :)

          4. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 6:44pm

            Yeah but a dog has some level of intelligence.

          5. Touché!

    2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:43am

      So if you want oppression go live in a country that can provide your every need.
      Leave innocent people out of it those.
      When it comes to innocent human beings being attacked, tortured, abused, etc it has Everything to do with every single one of us.
      Nobody has the right to make laws up that restrict a human being, being who they truely are esp when all is about with these bigotted people is love.
      War they are fine with but love…

  8. As Pink news does not seem to want to publish the story, I will have to place a totally unrelated comment on this thread. Could all those gay people who voted tory please explain this:
    1) Michael Goves proclamation of support for groups such as CARE, Lovewise, Evaluate and Family education trust – groups which oppose gay marriage, believe only sex between a man and woman in marriage is healthy, and who believe HIV and other STI’s can be stopped by teaching abstinence before heterosexual marriage.
    2) Have included such groups in the new sexual health QUANgo.
    3) The creation of a new evangelical grouping within the tories consisting of 37 Mp’s including govt ministers!
    4, the huge funding giving to the tories by far right christian fundamentalists (e.g. founder of alpha course)

    Come on now I know a list of people on here love to proclaim how much they love the tories, PLEASE use some logic and actually look at what they are doing, look at who funds them, look at their MP’s …

    1. … and pull your head out of your behind and stop supporting them. FFS they are screwing us over RIGHT now.
      SERIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE WE REALLY GOING TO SAY THAT A HIV PREVENTION POLICY OF NO SEX UNTIL YOU MARRY A MEMBER OF THE OPPOSITE SEX IS IN ANYWAY PRO GAY!

      As ofnow I am rejoining the labour party and pumping as much of my own money in as I can (choosing labour as while i agree with the lib dems more, labour wont get into bed with scum like nadine dorries and christian concern for our nation)

      1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:50am

        Good luck with that but I fear until they rid of Ed’s Milibore and Balls-Up they got no chance.
        I know I’ll never vote for them again until they go.
        I know I am not alone.

        1. so you will vote for a party that actively try and make life worse for gay people.

          Come on Jock as a conservative voter, tell me, is it pro or anti gay to say that the only way to prevent hiv is to teach abstinence before heterosexual marriage?

          I doubt you will answer this, as you are a typical conservative supporter, in that instead of ever answering any questions you will instead respond with “yeah well labours bad”. I feel sorry for you that you hate yourself so much that youd vote for a party that hates you.

          If not labour, why not then greens or the lib dems, you know, parties that actively support gay rights.

          Plus the ed milibore thing is very daily mailesque, but if thats how you like to debate, its a free country.

          1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 4:25pm

            I don’t really want to respond because your ranting are false, inaccurate and clearly meant to intimidate.
            I will say though again how I vote has not barring on what this comment page is about so it’s irrelevent.
            Mores to the point as their is no election I couldn’t answer anyway, I’ll have to hear and vote at the time when it IS relevent.
            For now thats the best your going to get.

          2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 4:26pm

            “its a free country.”
            You wouldn’t think so the way your carrying on!

      2. I agree that the tories are scumbags but Labour are no better at the moment. When Labour stop suggesting Tory policies I will vote for them again

        1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 4:26pm

          Yet again, Fair point Hamish.

  9. danielmclion.tk 26 May 2011, 12:52am

    I cannot be there IRL. But I will think of them. The whole Eastern part of Europe needs our support. Romania, Moldova, Ukraina, Bellarus, Poland, ….. and of course Russia too.

    1. Are you want to support homosexuals of the East with your money? Be practical, if you can.

      1. musclelad23 26 May 2011, 4:11am

        Are you want to understand how to speak english better – no?

      2. Ah, no. There it is. Back to pigeon English again. The fluent English phase only lasts but a short time. Probably meds based.

  10. Risk of public disorder from homosexually perverted activists are really great in Russia. That’s absolutely correct because majority of Rissians greatly dislikes homosexual perverts in their country (the statistics already established such fact). Government of Moscow acting perfectly logically and lawfully!

    1. musclelad23 26 May 2011, 4:10am

      Dear pink news –

      Please ban this massive bell end.

      ta.

    2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:53am

      Sounds like you been going to some pretty filthy nightclubs there Rich.

    3. Rich, how come you know so much about Russia “Gay Scene” of clubs bars and saunas?

    4. Ok, I’ve reported you because you really shouldn’t be here.

      1. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 4:28pm

        I duuno Mendirin I think ignorant people like Rich remind us why we still need the like of protests and Pride Marches.

  11. Clark Downes 26 May 2011, 1:21am

    Awww, go Moscow gays two fingers up to the gov!

    1. What a pathetic statement!

      1. musclelad23 26 May 2011, 4:09am

        What a pathetic loser – wasting hours, days and months commenting on gay news board when you hate gays…

        Please – get a life you cretin.

      2. Jock S. Trap 26 May 2011, 8:54am

        “What a pathetic statement!”
        Bit Rich, Rich, dontcha think?

  12. For all the people brave and courageous who attend I wish a safe happy and memorable day. People around the world will watch and judge harshly any intentional provocation or disorder by the establishment to disrupt this or discourage future parades. On the flip side of the defense used for refusing this parade permission the argument to protect the psychological health of children unfounded! such that when TV & reporters ask children at pride parades what they most enjoyed…. it was often the thing parents sought to protect them from… lesson being the children are less judgmental!

  13. musclelad23 26 May 2011, 4:06am

    I hope one day they make a film about Mr Tatchell and the struggle for gay russia’s voice. It would be amazing.

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