So whats important is those religious folks yet again wanting the right to discriminate.
Is this current for any respected Black troops service to protect those very people who which to discriminte?
would it be ok to be racist then if it’s due to ‘conscience’? conscience here is another term for bigoted morons
the chaplains who preach homosexuality is wrong will only show themselves to be wrong
I would imagine that as with most jobs they are free to be racist, sexist and homophobic but they are not free to express those opinions or to bring them to bear in a work environment.
I’m somewhat surprised that the military chaplains have a problem with that.
I’d say the only valid excuse for blurting out your problem with your colleague’s minority group appropos of nothing in their presence would be tourrettes.
Yes Flapjack I totally agree.
The majority of blacks oppose homosexuality.
So stop comparing us to them. Its annoying.
Could you provide the evidence for that, and even if it were true it would not change the irrationality of prejudice (which you have just exhibited)
there’s parallels but you aren’t interested in facts
This just an attempt to keep DADT in everything but name. When DADT goes, as it surely will, this creep wants to make gay personnel’s lives as miserable as possible so they feel forced into leaving anyway.
What has hatred and right to discriminate against anyone got to do with the love of God?
Sadly John, I think there is truth in your comment.
It seems too many people just don’t want to let go of the DADT.
They seem to be making excuse after excuse to why is shouldn’t be scrapped and if it is then Their right to discriminate and make life miserable for those they choose.
Trouble is This would be considered wrong if it was about racism yet they still wish openly to treat LGBT people differently even though those people are willing to risk their lives to protect those bigots.
Will they be choosing who fights to save their own lives?
I agree, they should be allowed to do so…. once they also condemn with equal voracity that eating prawn is an abomination, cutting hair is wrong, those who divorce are going to hell and guy that associate with menstruating women are cast aside as unclean.
I mean, they wouldn’t want to be seen to be picking and choosing bits of the bible to suit a narrow minded and out dated bigotry, would they?
And I love the suggestion that it is some kind of imposition to have to work next to someone whose life offends one’s selectively tender ‘conscience’.
I dont get why they would divulge their disapproval of homosexuality. Havent they got more important things to be worried about like not dying?
This letter was intended to keep the discussion going. according the Pentagon, discrimination will not be allowed. This letter isn’t even worth the paper it is written on.
Thank you for theis post. FYI – regarding DADT – http://OutMilitary.com is providing a supportive place for gay servicemen and women to friend, share and network in a post DADT era
As long as they don’t harass or denigrate someone for being gay, let them have their bigoted opinions, just don’t shove them done our throats in the name of religion.
From what I’ve read of the U.S. military so called “christian” chaplains, many of them are trying to proselytise service men and women and they get away with it. For one thing, they shouldn’t be doing that on government property (airforce or army bases) if there really is separation of church and state in America. Seems more than hypocritical to me, but that’s America I suppose, sad.
Here! Here! Robert, Well put.
Opposition to homosexuality is not harassment, unless you intend to use such opposition to intervene in another person’s daily work duties. But I think that gay activists do most of the harassment, calling christians “mentally ill” “evil” etc, This is not just simple opposition, it is more than that. It is the same thing that many on here accuse the chaplains on doing.
The chaplains are there to serve to the troops, it is not a violation of church state since the military is not nor the government have not made any religion an official one.
We all know you offensive definition of “gay sex activist” from your absurd display earlier, pepa. After that fiasco, you really should be embarrassed to keep that nonsense going.
“opposition to homosexuality is not harassment’ – what planet are you living on?
Chester, you have to ignore pepa, he stated on another thread, all of us here are “gay sex activists” – child abusers and rapists, basically. And what a well balanced thing to say too. The man can’t deal in “proof”, just wants to peddle that lame blog of his.
But they are saying they want the right to harass people outside of a chapel therefore that is harassment in there everyday lives.
The bigots are losing and they know it. They are being seen for the archaic self serving vile creatures that they really are, and they can’t stand it.
They know it only a matter of time and they are losing everywhere they run.
This is just one more attempt by them to try and nail jelly to the wall.
Yes, I agree.
I think all these so called ‘reassurances’ are everything to do with fear of them loosing control.
Loosing control over how they can discriminate over anyone they think.
This does smack of desperation
There is something very displeasing about fighting for the right to discriminate. How good people can’t see why this is wrong puzzles and angers me. Bible verses were regularly used in Court rooms to justify slavery in the USA not so long ago. Today, it’s used to justify all sorts of homophobia amid claims Christians are the ones being discriminated against. Attitudes like this bring out the anti-theist me. The problem is religiosity, but the more these groups discriminate the more they polarise themselves and the less popular they become.
Its not whether or not is right or wrong, is it even worth wild addressing? Nope.
itis worthwhile addressing
I have to wonder how a openly Gay/Lesbian soldier dying in battle to protect his or her country is going to be treated esp from the likes of Chaplains like this.
Will there lives be considered less worthy?
I still wonder why we have to serve alongside countries that don’t have the same respect for ALL our servicemen and women?
Will they treated like heros the same as any soldier?
“Now listen us christian evangelists want to be able to be bigoted without getting disciplined. ” Religious freaks…..
The clerics are hoping that the army is the last bastion of bigotry, and that they can spread their vile message there.
Religion is dying in most other sectors of the Western world.
They want to say it’s bad to be a homosexual, but hey it’s okay to go and blow someone’s brains out. I thought christians were supposed to be against violence? How does turn the other cheek, and the commandment though shalt not kill work in their sermons when they’ve got trained killers in front of them? The bigoted hypocrisy is laughable.
“They want to say it’s bad to be a homosexual, but hey it’s okay to go and blow someone’s brains out.”
Good point, this is something the military industrial complex does not want the soldiers who are supposedly christian to address. No true christian would ever join this military, it has been hijacked by offshore interests, (bankers, UN, NATO). This is not our military anymore.
Yeah, don’t forget the Kool-aid drinking power worshipping lizard people. They have a vested interest too, pepa.
Because they pigeon pick what they want from their Book and use it against who they choose.
I agree, it is laughable.
These chaplains are being paid with my tax dollars. I don’t pay taxes so people can preach hate and discriminate against me based on their religion.
Your income taxes go to pay the interest on the debt. The military’s budget is funded by IOUs.
Which then turn’s into debt which then his income tax goes on.
There was a time when army chaplains would minister and comfort all soldiers regardless of the soldiers’ sect, faith and even if the soldiers had no faith. That was their calling, and they fulfilled it often under fire themselves. Many gave their lives. Now it seems that the gays in the military – and of course there were some in World War II, Korea and Vietnam – are not to be respected by the very chaplains who are there to serve them. Take all chaplains off the payroll as their existence there conflicts with the separation of church from state.
There are some chaplains who disagree with this letter and are okay with homosexuality, the majority of them have said that even if they are opposed to homosexuality it will not stop them from serving the troop’s spiritual needs.
That would be like asking Lord Haw Haw to be exempt from the gas chamber.
I must say if you are unqualified to do the job i.e. unable to comfort soldiers because of there sexuality than like all other jobs they should get fired.
Isn’t it time we thought about prosecuting these bigots for the harm they have done and are doing. The soonest such discussions become common place,the sooner these bigoted cretins will realise their days are numbered. While I can’t in all concience advocate the death penalty for them, i do think lengthy prison sentences are warranted. What the clergy and heirarchy of the RC church in particular is gatting away with is nothing short of being akin to genocide against the young. The bigotry and murder being mooted and carried out in the name of Allah by Muslims is equally vile and simply MUST be stamped out. That these people are allowed to have their own schools is nothing short of madness. It is time ALL religions were made to realise that what they advocate is simply unacceptable in a modern and educated world.
Scott Lively is the first one who should be dragged to Nuremberg.
Yeah, great Paddy. But maybe if you took a spoon of your own advice, you might be able to rise above the transphobia you have clearly demonstrated on this site over and over again.
But the point is that its not ‘the religions’ that are advocating these things – its the bigots who use their religions name as a badge of authenticity and a stamp of absolute certainty.
They are effectively saying ‘I know what God is saying on this matter and I am therefore saying that you have to bow down to me and do everything I tell you’ – which is, of course, complete bollocks!
There are plenty of atheists who do exactly the same thing. Scientists have been using the same trick now for a good couple of hundred years. Politicians. Royalty. Not a spiritual bone in any of them. And they’re ALL DENSE DENSE DENSE – the lot of them! lol
I am an openly gay man who was raised by two wonderful parents, my father being a retired US Army Chaplain. Let’s not forget that even though there are some who have a problem with homosexuality, it’s definately not all chaplains or active duty military. Most guys in the military that are secure with their own sexuality, don’t really care all that much about gays in the military. It’s not like we haven’t been there all along anyway.
Fair point, James!
Freedom of speech is the most important part of civilised society :)
True but incitment to hatred serves no other purpose than to discriminate and harm.
That has no place.
….along with the freedom to live and freely express who we ourselves each truly are….
Nowhere does this story say it refers to the USA, which implies it is talking about our armed forces, this being a UK site. I thought for a second our armed forces had gone bonkers, before realising it was talking about those nutty Americans.
Its not a UK Site its a global site hence we have lots of americans on here.
Not global sorry but European atleast
actually its a UK site but like most internet sites its available worldwide and much of its content is global.
Aside from Alec’s understandable confusion over what the story was refering to I really dont see that it matters anyway….
(but its not a global site…..lol – we log in with pinknews.co.uk – I assume thats the main website address you use too? (thats a UK website address)
What I never understand is how so many highly educated people can be so completely and utterly dense to the point of spouting such nonsense in the first place.
The only right that anyone has of conscience if over their own body – not other peoples. So if soldiers have a personal, religious or faith conviction that being gay is ‘wrong’ then its down to them to ensure that they dont do anything ‘gay’ themselves lol – not that they therefore have a God given right to stop anyone else being gay….
Just because I believe something is true doesnt mean that I have a right to force everyone else in the world to believe its true too….