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  1. That’s right, guys – stay in the closet; it’s for your own good, you know!

  2. Pink News: “Currently, there is only one out gay footballer in the world – Swedish player Anton Hysen.”

    I’m sure there are a lot more than one. What about Stonewall FC, for example?

    1. andrew howard-williams Walsall England 20 May 2011, 10:47am

      Agreed there is Stonewall FC but i assume they only play other Gay none professional teams and never play straight football teams. If im not correct in this im sure someone will correct me.

      1. stonewall FC play in the mainstream FA league system.

        they current are in the MIddlesex Premier League ( tier 7 of the national league system)

        they also have social sides who do play games among the other Gay teams in London

      2. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2011, 12:08pm

        Thats a maybe but being that England have won the Gay World Cup and the Women football World Cup ya’d think that the “straight” side would be happy with all the help it can get.

    2. Charles Bayliss 20 May 2011, 12:58pm

      I do not know if Stonewall FC is a professional outfit as I am not from England, the only thing I know about Stonewall FC is that it is a team of gay players whilst for Anton Hysen, he plays in what we call a straight professional club. He had the courage to out himself. Nobody from Stonewall FC can out himself as they were out from the very beginning.

  3. andrew howard-williams Walsall England 20 May 2011, 10:44am

    Gay Football Players should come out.
    If there is Homophobia in a football team then those players should be removed.
    Were all entitled to an opinion but maybe some should keep it to themselves and be professional and a team player not a wanker.
    Fans caught being abusive should be photographed and banned for life from any football match nationally.

  4. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2011, 10:45am

    So just more excuses then?
    Surely it’s down to the clubs and the players to show the support and set the example to fans.
    Any fans that are abusive surely should be banned anyway.
    Do the decent thing… Stop making excuses and get it sorted.

  5. The usual circular logic. Don’t come out because you’ll get hell. But until you come out…

    1. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2011, 12:13pm

      ….you live in hell anyway, hiding it.

      1. Its a vicious circle …

        But the reality is that once out it is easier in many respects …

        Football is no different to basketball, cricket, cycling, swimming, rugby, hockey or many other sports all of which have gay professionals …

        Yes there will be some issues – but thats human life – and most are of no consequence … Many footballers are very gay friendly, some are not …. They and the gay footballers should deal with it

        That said, I always think an individual should be entitled to choose whether or not to come out – it is a shame that more gay footballers are not out

  6. So gay players are to give in to bullies then? If the atmosphere isn’t conducive to coming out then that needs to be changed. Maybe the lack of motivation to change it is the real problem?

  7. HIs grandfather could have been part of the third reich, maybe even been an SS officer? Maybe gay footballers should be forced to wear pink triangles on their football kits.

    1. de Villiers 20 May 2011, 12:16pm

      That is far too strong – and yet another Anglo-Saxon minimisation of the terrible destruction that the Third Reich and the SS wreaked in Europe.

      1. I think not. Germany is certainly one country that cannot afford to be seen to be persecuting minorities. They did that before, and we all know where that ended.

        1. Given the UK’s history and track record, it can hardly stand and bleat innocence to other nations. England has persecuted many many more people over the centuries than the abhorrent Third Reich could have envisaged in it’s wildest dreams.

      2. You think my comment is too strong? You’ve obviously never been to an england germany football match if you think my comment ‘minimises’ the third reich anymore than football banter (note how you use capital letters for the right wing fascist regime). Anyway, how’s that right wing blog of yours going? Blogs are minimisation, they are not thesis that can handle in great detail the scale of atrocities. Do you think that certain subjects should not be spoken off in the compressed minimised medium of blogs/twitter? Sounds to me like you’re attempting to silence someone who is pointing out that the german football captain is being homophobic, and as a german his grandfather COULD have been part of a right wing fascist regime who have the worst track record of homophobia in the modern world. A country who once forced gay men to wear pink triangles and then gas them, then took another 25 years to legalise homosexuality.

        1. de Villiers 20 May 2011, 8:22pm

          I cannot follow your argument. It should, however, be self evident that a comparison of a footballer who has made unwise comments to a member of the SS and the Third Reich is a grotesque exaggeration.

          1. It’s not only an exaggeration, it’s even racist. The player’s nationality or ethnicity has no bearing in this argument.

          2. I actually think the comments of a footballer are potentially extremely destructive …

          3. de villiers, don’t follow my argument then. be a victim, be silent, be an oppressed minority, be right wing. I said that he could be a descendant of the third reich, nothing racist or grotesque or exaggerated about that. it’s a fact. trace his family history, I wonder what his grandfather did? just do a quick search with his father’s surname (which he doesn’t use) and the word n4zi. Funny how it’s the right wing (and germans) who complain whenever the right wing third reich is brought up (shame?). footballers are very powerful in todays world. he should be ashamed of saying what he did, influencing a new generation of homophobia, instead of you trying to make me feel shame for what I said in a blog comment. notice how you’ve not made any other comments on what he said, but tried to stop a gay guy from mentioning the history of how german’s have treated gay guys.

          4. de Villiers 23 May 2011, 6:23pm

            You know that what you have posted is, in the main, disingenuous. You have impliedly suggested that a German football captain who made inappropriate and unwise comments is to be equated with an SS officer in the Third Reich. You have then gone on and tried to suggest that I, myself, am sympathetic towards National Socialism and the Nzais.
            I have not tried to stop you from saying anything. I have pointed out that the contents of your statement are disproportionate verging on the grotesque. Each further post of yours becomes more extreme.

  8. So, Herr Lahm, how about taking the lead and changing football’s culture?

  9. It’s bizarre that this is even still a controversial issue. Good Lord! These people are living in the Dark Ages.

  10. The Germans should know better than to say this kind of thing after what they did to gay people (and others!) during the 30’s and 40’s. Lessons learnt, I think not.

    1. “The Germans” are almost as forward in LGBT rights as the UK (only still working on proper marriage and less limited adoption rights; Lessons learnt, I think yes) so maybe you should know better than to generalise something one person said.

      I might as well say that The Footballers should know better since they are public figures and idolised especially by teenagers, but I am sure (or I hope) not all of them would agree with the rubbish that is quoted in this article.

      Lahm should definitely be ashamed of himself, but then noone ever said sports people were very educated. How’s that for generalisation?

      1. the difference is Eva (your surname’s not braun is it?), ‘the british’ never put pink triangles on gay men and sent them to the gas chambers like ‘the germans’ did. In fact the UK (along with the US) stopped ‘the germans’ from continuing their final solution to exterminate jews, gays, gypsies, and anyone else the third reich didn’t like. And you don’t have to be uneducated to be homophobic, even hltler dropped out of high school. How’s that for a fact?

        1. this seems confusing as whats UK’s role in world wars got to do with the fact that you are judging an entire country on what it did quite a while ago talk about holding a grudge

  11. I think Philippe Lamm is not fit for purpose as the German football captain.

    Trying to intimidate gay players into lying about their sexuality is deeply unsportsmanlike.

    Will he face suspension for his moronic stupidity.

    Of course not. Football is an institutionally homophobic sport.

    The problem with homophobia in football stems from the bigotry of the leadership of the football associations. Not from the fans.

    We can see this quite clearly with the FA in Britain.

  12. Out gay players may well face some abuse, it’s then up to the authorities to do something about it.
    The possibility of racist abuse didn’t stop teams from recruiting African and Afro-Caribbean players, some of whom I understand are now among football’s biggest stars, did it?

  13. Phillipe Lamm is unfortunately right in that it will be inevitable that the first gay players to come out will receive abuse from players and fans alike – I’ve been to matches and witnessed homophobic (as well as sexist and the occasional racist) taunts whether the player is gay or not. Just take Richard Keys and Andy Gray’s comments on the female linesperson when they thought she got the decision wrong (she was in fact right).
    However, players should be encouraged to come out and they should be protected by their respective football associations. Once players and fans realise that they will be punished for homophobic sledging then it really will have moved on. Unfortunately this doesn’t even happen for all racist incidents in Europe so I can’t imagine them getting their act together any time soon.

  14. If these players were more supportive rather than going on about what a hard time gay players might face, maybe gay players wouldn’t face such a hard time.

  15. jonnielondon 20 May 2011, 4:31pm

    Herr Lahm needs to ask himself what is it that he can do to help stop this horrible kind of abuse. That would be the quality of a leader (in this case captain), and not a fearmonger!

  16. fluffykontbiscuits 20 May 2011, 6:22pm

  17. Its only like this because the game is too ‘macho’…

    Other sports personalities are coming out, why should footballers have to torture themselves because of how having a gay footballer will be perceived by fans?

    Too much macho-ness in the field!

  18. johnny33308 20 May 2011, 9:32pm

    People, we in the US are planning a “rapture prank” join us! It works this way, take a set of your old clothes and a pair of old shoes and lay them down somewhere stretch out, like a sidewalk or beside a busy road, then put dry ice into the shoes. The Christians will think they were left behind in the Rapture! Should be great fun!

  19. This article just shows how homophobia is the last great prejudice we need to overcome. You don’t hear about “verbal abuse” towards a player’s ethnicity any more. So why is being gay still considered an acceptable target for one’s bigotries?

  20. This is simply perpetuating the prejudice. If all the gay footballers came out, then it would normalise the situation and wouldn’t be an issue any more.

    Strength in numbers…

  21. I just can’t see what difference it’ll make to fans if they find out a player in their chosen team, is gay. What difference does that make? Nothing! He plays good football, impresses the fans…. why can’t there be gay footballers?

    1. It shouldnt make any difference and in the vast majority of cases will not … but for those football fans who are also bigots it will, unfortuantely as with many walks of life I suspect the bigots may be very vocal

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