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  1. martyn notman 20 May 2011, 2:36pm

    not exactly surprising. I wonder how much time it would have taken to sack him if hed made a racist statement though..5 mins? 15 mins? They certainly wouldnt be “investigating” as its all on camera and he cant deny it.

    1. Well they would view the video and seek his comments … and then sack him … so to be fair there would be some investigation …. but it does seem concerning that this has taken as long – but the gentlemans sick leave may be the explanation for the procrastination

  2. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2011, 2:46pm

    Well if he was the supporter of Phil Woolas then is this really a surprise considering what happened to him?
    This is a disgrace but pleasantly surprised by the Muslim activist distributing the leaflets who clearly didn’t see being Gay was an issue.
    What a hypcrite.
    Being Chief of a Race Equality group and clearly having no knowledge of the term Equality, what a bloody hypocrite.
    Sack him and good riddence.

    1. Unfortunately there are many in positions which contradict their hateful views. If this was a racist/islamophobic incident it would have national headlines. We live in a country where some minorities are given preferential equality bias.

      1. Jock S. Trap 22 May 2011, 11:40am

        Yes, indeed rapture.

  3. Dave North 20 May 2011, 2:57pm

    “these are internal matters for Race Equality”.

    No the are bl@@dy not internal matters.

    As a rate payer in this constituency I would like to know why my money is funding this bigot.

    1. Well initially they are internal matters for Race Equality to deal with effectively and then if their action is not satisfactory then the public organisations can rightly be seen to bring pressure or withdraw funding but it is only correct that the employing organisation is able to act initially

  4. michael, liverpool 20 May 2011, 3:01pm

    Typical Cardiff, such a backward homophobic hole with a crap gay scene. Everyone sleeps with sheep anyway…..

    Oh sorry, it’s not a Liverpool story so you won’t get comments like that here!

    1. welshshagger 20 May 2011, 4:14pm

      We don’t sleep with sheep we just shag them!!!! You slag Cardiff off when you’re from Liverpool, please!!!! Obviously life for you revolves around a gay scene….

  5. Sack him!

  6. Sack him immediately! Religious bigotry has NO place in civil equality matters, ever. People like him invite anti-islamic sentiment by his bigotry.

  7. Great story. Gay community is so anti Muslim, they just couldn’t wait to express that sentiment, so what a let down it must have been for gays to see a bad Muslim being pitched against good one, I just love it, the drama, the confusion and where is EDL supporter when you need him

    1. “Gay community is so anti Muslim”

      Can you blame gay people? Muslims pose an EXISTENTIAL threat to gay people. Muslims mean the end of gay people. Just look at all countries where Muslims hold the reigns of power and tell me about the way gay people live in those countries.

      1. Equally you could look at many Christian countries in Africa and argue the same thing. Of course we need to stand against anyone of any religion who uses their faith as an excuse for homophobia. But simply pitting the gay community and the Muslim community as enemies – as so many on this site love to do – is immensely unhelpful, not least for the many gay Muslims in this country. The aim should be to take homophobia out of Islam, not to take Islam out of Britain.

        1. take the homophobia out of islam? LOL. good luck with that one. where are you gonna start that mission, mecca in saudi arabia, iran, or just the east london mosque? are you gonna rewrite the koran and hadith? maybe you’ll go on a mission to the vatican as well and finally convince the pope he is wrong and end christian homophobia? or maybe you’ll just accept that monotheism is homophobic, always has been, always will be.

          1. well mainstream British Christianity is far, far less homophobic than it was, say, 50 years ago, regardless of what the mad old bastard in the Vatican and a few guesthouse-owning hangers-on say, and no one had to rewrite the Bible for that to happen. people just choose to ignore the parts of their various holy texts that are incompatible with modern life – if Christians can do it theres no reason Muslims can’t too. But that’s never going to happen if they look at the gay community and see us as a bunch of EDL types who just want their religion eradicated.

          2. you sound like a victim with stockholm syndrome to me. christians aren’t less homophobic, it’s just that thankfully most people in the last 50 years have seen the light and realised that christianity is a load of shlte, so now they’re outnumbered and have little power. the only way to stop the homophobia is to stop the belief system that causes it, that’s what’s happened to christianity over the last 50 years (church figures falling year on year), and its the only way to stop the bigotry of islam.

        2. Spanner1960 21 May 2011, 6:56pm

          You may also want to note that Christianity is waning, so they have to compromise in order to keep attendances. Islam by comparision is gaining strength, so they really don’t give a sh|t what they say about other people.

    2. Oh, look. Another of Kane’s anti-gay rants. Like that’s novel in here.

      1. Anti gay? How is it anti gay Will? Perphaps you could be so kind and elaborate it a bit.

        1. This bit, Kane maybe: “what a let down it must have been for gays to see a bad Muslim being pitched against good one, I just love it, the drama, the confusion”
          Or have you decided to leave off the pointless trolling and make proper contributions? That’s a question not sarcasm.

          1. Iris darling your intelectual limitations are so painfully obvious

          2. Actually I would argue he is right on alot of it though i disagree with him generalising the entire gay community, but there is a major problem with racism in the LGBT community and we need to tackle this problem before the LGBT community becomes seen as as bigoted as religion does

          3. @ Hamish: racism and anti-Muslim feelings may have a degree of overlap but they’re separate issues. And personally I think it would be best if no-one ever spoke of or about “the entire LGBT community.”

    3. Part of the gay community is anti muslim because they are aware that muslims kill, torture and imprison the gay community throughout the world. The muslim community are anti gay because, well, I don’t know why? Because they have an irrational fear of us?

    4. Actually kane whilst I have some sympathy about there being an anti Muslim aspect to sections of the LGBT communities, this particular story is more about one man being homophobic and being condemned by someone else (the good Muslim) for his reprehensible views. Its very little about the LGBT community and evidences that some Muslims are gay friendly

      1. “evidences that some Muslims are gay friendly”

        Firstlty, what is ‘some’? 1 in 100? If so, that’s insignificant.

        Secondly, in what way does it evidence that they are ‘gay friendly’? What does being ‘gay friendly’ mean?

      2. Well I guessed that from the title but thanks anyway for your effort. What I was trying to say is clearly demostrated by the likes of SamB.

    5. The gay community cannot be blamed for distrusting the islamic cult, considering how grotesquely bigotte the cult seems to be.

  8. johnny33308 20 May 2011, 4:52pm

    Once again this shows the evils associated with those who are “religious”. Bigotry is after all, just bigotry. There are no rational excuses for bigotry, since bigotry is not rational on any level. It is ignorant and it will always be ignorant. This person needs to be gone for the benefit of all people.

    1. Spanner1960 20 May 2011, 5:43pm

      “bigotry is not rational on any level”
      Of course there are, or people wouldn’t be bigotted.
      I don’t like Muslims. Call me bigotted if you will, but I have bloody good reasons as to why I am.

      1. Well then you clearly are bigoted. Its fair enough to dislike a religion – be it islam/ christianity etc etc, but to hate everyone who labels themselves as part of that religion as bad people is ridiculous as it ignores the fact that people are individuals and not part of a hive mind.

        1. Spanner1960 21 May 2011, 7:03pm

          Ah right. So by your yardstick, not all N@zis were that bad then? Sorry to raise Godwin, but it’s the only direct comparision I can make.

          To follow a religion means one has to abide by it’s ethos. You cannot cherry-pick and pick and chooses which bits of the Bible/Koran/Torah to follow. All those religions are homophobic, so QED so are their followers, and so I dislike them as an entirety.

          1. But thats not true is it. People do pick and choose from their religion. They always have done and they always will do.

        2. Spanner1960 22 May 2011, 1:43pm

          That may be true, but that is not what is taught or preached. It’s just another of those “I was just following orders” kind of things.

          If you don’t support say, an animal rights activity, then you wouldn’t work for a company that does animal testing. The same logic applies.

          Also I did not say “hate”, I said “dislike”. I hate nobody, but that doesn’t mean I won’t tell them when to fcuk off.

  9. I agree with Jock S. Trap, here. It’s a refreshing story to hear in a way, because it was Mr. Tufail’s assumption & the, (clearly unexpected for him) reaction that he got which has put this on the headlines. A couple of stereotypes challenged simultaneously!

  10. A Muslim? Homophobic? Never! LOL.

  11. Dan Filson 20 May 2011, 9:19pm

    I wonder what the process is for considering disciplining Tafail, and whether the body, whatever it is, has the structures and procedures in place to do so. It would not surprise me in the slightest if it did not. Cardiff may then have to use the funding threat to get them to sort it out.
    I don’t know why Jock S Trap, who is by leaning a conservative, automatically assumes that the connection with Phil Woolas makes Tafail’s actions predictable.

    1. @Dan

      Unusually I agree with you on this one and I think the system is stalled whilst Tafall is on sick leave

    2. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 3:45pm

      “who is by leaning a conservative”
      Wrong assumption again Dan!
      I have Never been loyal to ANY party, thank you.

    3. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2011, 3:47pm

      As Mr Tufail was a supporter of the corrupt Mr Woolas it is hardly surprising of his attitude being what Mr Woolas was responsible for!
      Or are we to forget that because it was a Labour chap?
      Double standards much?

  12. friday jones 20 May 2011, 11:00pm

    Mr. Tufail believes that you can’t be a proper Muslim unless you’re homophobic. That’s the only conclusion that can be drawn from his words. Just how representative ARE his views in that community, anyway?

    1. Well, according to a Gallup poll carried out a year or two ago, 0% of British Muslims thought homosexuality was morally acceptable. So, I think this man’s view is quite representative of British Muslims.

      1. @Sam

        In what I presume to be the same survey (also a Gallup poll in 2010) a significant proportion of UK Muslims found bias on grounds of sex or sexuality was wrong …. so it does not lead to the same conclusion you have

        1. What survey is this? Could you provide a link?

          And, what do you mean when you say ‘significant proportion’?

        2. More religious hypocrisy then.

        3. Stu, you’re a lovely guy (and I like yves klein too) but get real about islam. go and live in a majority muslim area with your boyfriend, and be open about your sexuality, then say that. Your views are a nice dream, and hopeful, but they’re just not real.

          1. do you live in Muslim area Edy?

          2. Spanner1960 22 May 2011, 1:48pm

            I go with Eddy on this one.
            If you live outside of a large city, you probably have no concept of what it is like to live in a built-up area where probably 95% of it’s inhabitants are non-indigenous, and at least half are Muslim.

            I for one do, and I can assure you it is not the sort of place you can be open about who or what you are. People may bleat on about equality and human rights all they like, but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, around here they don’t mean diddly-squat.

          3. Agreed with eddy n spanner, I live in a muslim area , its very oppressive, the equality n human rights of lgbt do not exist round here , anyone who thinks differently needs their bubble burst.

        4. @Spanner

          I have lived both in rural and urban areas. I have lived in Reading amongst a very Asian/Caribbean community, Bournemouth, Croydon, Durham, Sunderland, Newcastle and Brighton.

          I have experienced more homophobia from white extremists that I have from any ethnic minority

  13. I suspect nothing will happen. He will either claim that it was taken out of context or claim that HE is being discriminated against because of his religion. It struck me that when someone was eventually arrested for the hate stickers the initial charge was so slight it was laughable. It also struck me that the attempts to find the perpetrators seemed so half hearted. Has these been racist stickers e.g. “Muslim Free Zone” then there would have been a much more positive response from the local council and the police. This is not to bash Muslims or anyone else – but to illustrate that gay people are a long way behind other oppressed groups when it comes to protection of the law.

    1. yeah , he’ll play the islamophobia card to get away with it. They will probably accept some phoney apology and tell us how we must be tolerant of his cultural views regarding homosexuality.

  14. YES , YOU MUST GET RID OF , REMOVE AND FIRE AND NEVER ALLOW PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT THEIR TITLE ARE TO INSTIGATE HATE CRIMES AND DEFAMATION, EXPRESSING THEIR HATRED FOR PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT GENDERS ARE RACES, THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT BOTHERING THE NATION THE HETERSEXUALS ARE , FROM CHILDREN TO WOMEN TO STARTING GENOCIDEDS AND TERRORISTIC ACTS EVERYWHERE, THEIR ASSA;ULTS ON WOMEN , CHILDREN AND THE LGBT COMMUNITY MUST STOP , THERE MUST BE A BETTER TODAY AND TOMMORROW FOR CHILDREN AND FAMIILIES WITHOUT BIGGOTRY, AND RACISM DISTURBING AND ENDANGERING THEIR LIVES, RACIST AND BIGGOTS ARE TROUBLE MAKERS AND THEY ARE THE EVIL PEOPLE , WHY DONT THEY GET THEIR BIGOTED ASSES ON AN ISLAND BY THEMSELEVES, BECAUSE MOST OFTHE WORLD GETS ALONG FINE WITHOUT THEM AND ARE SAFER AND FRIENDLIER SOCIETY, THEY ARE NO GOOD PEOPLE WHO ENDANGER LIVES AND HAS COST LIVES OF A GREAT MANY , CHILDREN IN ALL, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON ANY BOARD WITH ANY SAY ANYWHERE , THEY ALWAYS WANT TO HARM OTH

    1. Cut the dose bitch

    2. Spanner1960 22 May 2011, 1:50pm

      I’d get that caps lock seen to mate.

    3. Jock S. Trap 23 May 2011, 11:03am

      It’s given me a headache.

  15. Reminds of a university I used to work for. Their Equality & Diversity officer thought that racism was more important/serious than homophobia. He was upset that I was upset that the university’s HR equal opps. policy site hadn’t updated their legislation list to include the 2003 employment regs. I was having this debate in 2007.

    This guy in Cardiff should be sacked immediately.

    1. That also happens in housing, council services , nhs etc etc etc

  16. What the KKK were (are?) to black people in the US, Muslims are the same to gay people.

    Now, yes, not EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM is homophobic. Some are even gay. The point, HOWEVER, is that you have to look at the overall picture, and the overal picture is very worrying. Muslims are, almost enitely, viciously homophobic. Fact. In almopst ALL MUslim-majority countries, homosexuality is a CRIME. In about ten of them, it’s a CAPITAL CRIME. According to a Gallup poll carried out a year or two ago, 0% of British Muslims said they thought homosexuality was morally acceptable. ZERO PER CENT!

    So, please, let’s cut the crap and wake up and smell the coffee. They are not an ally – the opposite actually. We shouldn’t see them as just another minority which we can stand side by side with. The vast majority of Muslims, to put it bluntly, hate us. They actually hate us. That’s the extent of their bigotry and ignorance. We are ‘sodmites’, ‘perverts’ and et cetera in their eyes.

  17. Oh well I never! What? Another poor, little Muslim being picked on again simply for hating us?

    Several of the contributors to this forum have previously claimed that the hateful stickers in London were a conspiracy by the EDL to incite hatred. What do they have to say now?

    Could it be that the EDL are also behind this latest case of apparently Islamic inspired homophobia? Did the ‘evil, right-wing, extremist race-hate group’ the English Defence League also put this gentleman up to making his comments?

    I have no proof whatsoever, just like those self-loathing gays who staunchly defend Muslims and their campaign of hate against us and who will do and say anything to avoid recognising that the majority of Muslims hate gays and want to kill us all.

    How many more incidents of Islamic hatred and violence directed at us are we going to tolerate before someone stands up and shouts the truth?

    1. Of course the edl are behind this, and what they did to that poor muslim lad in east london, forcing them by enforced hypnosis to carry out hate crimes etc etc…. Just waiting for the conspiracy theories from the homophobic “gay” contingent.

    2. EDL what?

  18. I have said this before on Pink News and I will say it again.

    Please, all you guys need to support organisations like the NATIONAL SECULAR SOCIETY and et cetera who fight against religious people who privileges and extra rights (which usually mean the right to evade the law when it comes to treating gay people equally.).

  19. March&Rally

    Join the “Secular Europe Campaign” in this large-scale march in central London

    Saturday 17th September 2011

  20. Asians don’t do well in positions of ‘high’ office here in Britain, and usually find themselves removed on charges of corruption or negligence. I wonder if it’s a genetic disorder, or simply an inability to serve a system that their religion tells them is beneath them.

    1. Oh, do tell me, what religion do “Asians” follow? No-one can be so unbelievably stupid as to imagine that all Asians are Muslim. Or you in fact that stupid?

  21. Mr Tufail … turns to the cameraman and says: “Switch that camera off or I’ll ram it down your throat”.

    He sounds pretty thuggish. Funny how such people dislike having their bigotry recorded, isn’t it?

    1. Damn’ formatting – !

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