“A study commissioned by the US Catholic Church confirms that child abuse by priests was not caused by homosexuality”
Tell us something we don’t already know.
Still, I’m sure we’ll see the usual religious victims in here shortly with theories abundant about how the gay militia/mafia made this report, probably in league with the help of the lizard people and liberal democrat aliens, or something equally as fanciful….
Oh yes, they’ll be along.
They can’t help themselves.
The Lizard people are innocent.
Not if they’re on V!
Where’s that Robert fellow, he’s an expert on this stuff. Probably off frolicking with Xenu and the mind control aliens. I can’t wait to hear how the gay militia-mafia-secret-thingy have used their “influence”, in conjunction with the liberal-lefty-alien-conspiracy-what-ye-call-them and a devil-worshipping Lady Gaga video, made this report to encourage satanism. Or something. Does that sound about right?
For a hilarious take on all this, see Louis CK’s mockumentary “Louis C.K. Learns about the Catholic Church” on youtube. His explanation is almost as good as any other.
Child sex abuse by catholic priests was caused by offering paedophiles a respectable job as a priest, thereby allowing them unlimited access to childre.
We all know this.
The assumption that there was an increase or decrease in the amount of child rape taking place is quite a jump. In increase in the reporting of these rapes is not necessarily any indication of frequency of those rapes. What does the report have to say about the largest contributing factor – that priests who were identified as having raped children were protected and enabled to rape again and again and again? Trying to place the blame elsewhere is a distraction – the Catholic church is a criminal organisation that protects and enables the criminals in its employ. Those in charge should be held to account.
Yet, still the Pope protects these priests by not allowing them to be reported to the police.
Can’t help thinking if they wanted change within the Church they would stamp this out by allowing the police to do their job and putting away these Evil vermin out of the reach of children.
And how many did it take to state the bleedin obvious?
Mores to the point how long did it take?
As for Bill Donohue, what a piece of trash but typical of the homophobia esp within Religion.
What a disgusting man.
There is a reason that we have the term paedophile.
It is not homosexual.
It is not heterosexual.
It determined those who are attracted to children.
That is not homosexuality nor heterosexuality so I do agree that the Church has & is just finding blame rather than admitting the problem.
Of course there will be those within the Church who will refuse to accept this article because they would rather spend there time assuming the worst in others esp those they do not agree with.
These Religions need to be apologising to the victims for not only the shameful way they have been abuse but treated since.
I also personally would like to now see the Catholic Church apologise to the LGBT community for this cruel and distructive claim for the suffering they have openly caused.
For the Evils They have portrayed this community and openly watched the affects of those claims.
yet the idiot pushes his homophobic agenda
Yep and sadly I doubt much will stop him although I would love to see him sued.
The child abuse scandal was caused by victims finally being honest about their abuse – no longer afraid of the church and the abusers who hid in it. IMO, child abuse has been going on since the dawn of man, it’s just that people have been able to be honest about it since the 60′s. Not that the sexual liberation of the 60′s made priests into abusers.
For too long paedophiles have used children of the same sex in the belief those children will be so ashamed that will will never tell therefore keeping their secret.
So long the Church and people carry on treating homosexuality as wrong this will not change.
That in itself amounts to child abuse in my eyes.
To knowing shame a child knowing what may happen deems the Church itself must take the blame for it’s discriminating attitude.
A load of old cobblers! This has been going on since the dawn of time in the roman cult, its nothing new and it hasn’t stopped either, nor will it. The paedophiles will find ways to get around it.
Jock, it will be interesting to see how that evil piece of filth, William Donohue, of the American Catholic League will react. For a very long time, he has been equating paedophilia with homosexuality and dismisses the hetero perpetrators in all this.
What will also be interesting is now the Church has this evidence and therefore must stop blaming the LGBT community, what are they going to do with people like Bill Donohue, who wish to continue discriminating knowing the damage they are doing.
Will the Church be removing these people?
Somehow I doubt it.
It doesn’t take a genius to understand this was nothing to do with the gay community. These priests were sexually interested in children and there are few children available for them to abuse in the male gay community.
The news that’s not gaining traction is that there were groups of pedophile priests working together to help access victims, swap notes and hide the abuse. There were cardinals, such as in Belgium who were themselves predatory and saw no problem in their subordinates sexually gorging themselves on children. A perk of the job.
The clerics nonetheless have be very effective in dishonestly blaming the gay community. They taught their followers to hate us by calling us evil and claiming that our relationships hurt the families. A calculated tactic of scapegoating or framing to hid their own guilt.
“The rise in abuse cases in the 1960s and 1970s was influenced by social factors in society generally.”
Drivel. Does this refer to what was actually revealed then, or what happened then and has only just come to light? Did more relaxed attitudes to sex encourage revelations, abuse, or both? Is it being inferred that no, or less, abuse happened before then because nothing came to light?
Read Edna O’Brien’s account of her abuse by a priest teaching her the Catechism in her autobiographical book ‘A Pagan Place’. It is followed by descriptions of beatings from her mother for accusing a holy man of doing dirty things. What she describes happened in the 1940′s. What do we make of this? Were such events rare in those virtuous pre-’permissive society’ days or not? Or maybe even commoner because sacred authority figures (which they certainly were in Ireland then) in sexually prudish societies could act with virtual impunity? We just don’t know.
But I suspect that the RC Church got egg on its
Sorry, got broken off for some reason – here’s the finish -
……….face blaming the gays (oops – time-honoured hot-button jammed), so now it’s having a go at those let-it-all-hang-out flower children days. Secretive, authoritarian institutions giving venerated male authority figures access to the young and vulnerable don’t have anything to do with it, obviously.
So it’s not us anymore… it’s those pinko liberal hippies!
I’m just waiting for the Catholic honchos to blame it on the boogie!
Seems like the one bible passage they obsess about more than Leviticus 18 is Leviticus 16, you know, the bit about finding a suitable scapegoat.
Why do I have a nagging suspicion that the researchers were asked to find a scapegoat and this was the best they could come up with? Perhaps by exonerating homosexuals they hoped to create the impression that it was a balanced report with no hidden agenda.
The church is behaving like a 5 year old – it wasn’t me, miss!
One wonders if the Pope will be accepting this?
They’ll always blame anything but sexism. As long as the men feel they are entitled to help themselves to what they fancy, they will. It is not a problem unique to priests, it is men in positions of authority.
that’s a really odd and disturbing assumption. Are you suggesting that a successful business man is automatically a rapist or pedophile? there’s plenty of sick and twisted women out there too you know.
Let me correct that:
They’ll always blame anything but sexism. As long as some men feel they are entitled to help themselves to what they fancy, they will. It is not a problem unique to priests, it is some men in positions of authority.
I have to say I agree qv but I would suggest it does play on sexism as well.
Basically the likes of the Bible has been written for over inflated straight white male egos For over inflated straight male egos.
They seem to blame everybody else but that don’t fit into that little group and up til recently women were included.
When you still see the amount of resentment even amongst other women to women priest you have to hope that by having women and LGBT people in the church these people will on day finally be educated but then somehow… I doubt it.
With all the fuss over women bishops etc it seems the egos do try to keep themselves intact.
Where are the religious homophobes? I though they’d be all over this story like priests over an alter boy….
(Was that too much in bad taste? I can never tell….)
LOL so bad it’s good.
“Bill Donohue of the Catholic League said: “The report says that 81 per cent of the victims were male and 78 per cent were post-pubescent. Since 100 per cent of the abusers were male, that’s called homosexuality, not pedophilia or heterosexuality.”
But, Mr Donohue, 100% of abusers were priests. So by your logic the problem lies in their being men of God too!
Well Yes David that is an excellent point.
It kind of lays that problem out bare and cold.
Religion is child abuse on it’s own.
Institutional child abuse is not unique to the Catholic Church. There have been plenty of scandals in educational and social services institutions. However what made the scandals in the Catholic so particularly bad was the level of cover-up and ‘sweeping under the carpet’ that went on. In the Catholic Church abuse was allowed to carry on persistently and unchecked for considerably longer than other types of institutions which had had similar problems. Donohue may blame ‘homosexuals’ for the scandals, but it is himself and his fellow priests, who for so many years who turned a blind eye to what was going, who are the real culprits in this whole sorry saga of serial abuse.
The whole child-sex-abuse scandal goes to the very ideological heart of the Catholic church. The Catholic Church believes itself to be God’s representative of Earth, and as such believes itself to be infalllible. With this mind-set it is very hard for many in the Church to come to terms whenever a scandal of any sort comes along. The reflex action is always denial hence the reason the Church always preferred to pretend it wasn’t happening. Cover-up is always the preferred solutions to honesty.
So “the study claimed that rates of child abuse began to drop after a significant rise in young gay men entering the priesthood in the 1970s” – I wonder what the data is behind that finding. After all, if an openly gay young man entered the priesthood, I wonder how he got in, and wonder whether he was kept away from all young people.
I am puzzled that, according to the Catholic Defence League, the report says that 81% of the victims were male and 78% were post-pubescent. It is unclear if that means 78% of all victims or 78% of the 81%. Either way, if true (I haven’t read the full report), that suggests the majority of reported victims were post-pubescent and of course almost all perpetrators were male. I’m not suggesting that all gay men are interested in post-pubescent teenagers, but I am not sure I would sweep the perpetrators so readily off into a separate group called paedophiles. They were gay paedophiles surely? Their offending has a lot to do with the absurd chastity vow.
not gay – pedos and abuse is about power etc too
Dan you need to educate yourself you are all over the place on this issue. Paedophiles are sexually interested in prepubsecent children. Ephebophiles are sexual interested in post-pubescent minors. Some male predators are sexually interested in just females, others are interested in only males and others are interested in both. The important aspect is they are sexually intersted in minors. These types of perpetrators are usually not interested in adult sexual relationships, although it is not unusual for them to fake adult relationships to get access to children, such as what often happens to solo mums. As mentioned above power differentials are important in abusive relationships whether age, wealth, strength, social status (teacher, pastor),
Also Dan how is a chasty vow related to raping children ? I mean if you don’t tug of for a period do you suddently have the hots to go out and rape children ? If you do then check yourself in for soime help.
Its rare that I meet another Hamish but saying as how your not trolling I’ll assume that is your real name. Mines Hamish too hello :D
Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac would have a lot to say about that assumption if they were still alive. Shame on the catholic church!
The sexual revolution caused pedophilia? BS what about the majority of british/irish/american population who lived through the sexual revolution yet didnt become a molester. Also the catholic church’s abuse of children was worldwide, whereas the sexual revolution was a western thing, I dont see how the churches abuse in africa can be blamed on the sexual revolution!
They are just trying to place blame on anyone else but themselves and now they can’t blame the LGBT community they will remain clutching at straws.
Look at themselves and hopefully the church with implode.
“yes this horrid child abuse thing…it was SOO much easier in the middle ages when we could just burn anyone who said we were up to anything nasty..and when women knew their place and we could lock them up in nunneries if they opened their mouths..”…is basically what they are saying. ….i despair!
Well, nice that they have decided that homosexuality is not particularly to blame for the sexual abuse carried out by Catholic clergy.
However, they also say:
“celibacy, . . . [was] not responsible for the increase or decline in abuse cases.”
And with that we must strongly disagree. For to enforce complete sexual abstinence on a young man or woman in religious orders is to ask for trouble and danger. Human beings need to express themselves sexually and THEY WILL DO SO. And if you do not permit them to, then they will find hidden ways, such as abusing minors and the vulnerable.
The church needs to stop thinking that sex is evil.
Priest, Imams, Bishops, they are all the same.
They will continue to abuse and try to shift blame onto others.
They will never admit their guilt is there own until they finally get caught and even then no doubt it’ll still be others fault.
Homesexuals made such report and then said homosexuality is not the cause of sex abuses in the Church… Shame on them!
Rich, did you READ the article? As usual you make no sense.
Religious nut: TICK
Claims gay people wrote the report: TICK
Angry silly comment: TICK.
So, so predictable.
oh innit Will, it’s got beyond boring!
Adam is the closeted homosexual and (a)dam is the self hating homosexual.
oops wrong thread
Still, a valid point musclelad23, I think most would agree!
It took $2m to figure out what any gay person could have told them for a Glacier Mint? And they still went on to blame something that was also irrelevant – the 60s sexual revolution.
Same old story – blame all outsiders, avoid analysing internal behaviour. Yawn. sadly, real justice for the victims is postponed yet again.
Rich, so how do you explain the straight paedophile priests? From what I’ve read on the scandal in America, government sex crime statistics indicate that paedophilia has been committed by more than 95% of heterosexual males against girls, moron.
Will, you’re right, self-loather Rich has made your statement come to fruition. There are straight Islamic paedophiles too but he’ll deny it of course.
Yeah, Robert, but I take no joy in it. I was hoping for something more intelligent. He has the brain of an ant. No fun when they’re that stupid.
Oh c’mon Will ants are intelligent, unless you mean a dead one?
Do you mean a dead one?
I think I would agreew ith that.
Duh, of COURSE dead ones! :)
Oh well then I definitely agree!!
There’s one question that I’ve asked repeatedly but to which I’ve never yet got an answer. If you want to sexually abuse under-age adolescents, you don’t need to be a Roman Catholic priest in order to do it. So what exactly is it that attracts men like these to the RC priesthood? Anyone know the answer?
There is more than one answer. Access to minors is a significant draw card and having power over the victims to get them to do what the priests wanted and protection from suspicion and prosecution. Being a Roman Catholic priests provides for all of these factors – it was the perfect cover. That is society was not asking them why they were not developing age appropriate adult relationships because they had the fake celibacy thing – there was no pressure on them to get married – in fake they were respected for not..
If the Sexual Revolution caused the Catholic priests to do all that kiddie diddling, then how come so bloody many of the kiddies were diddled by Catholic priests BEFORE 1960?
Exactly, I assume they have just conviently forgotten about those.
No doubt it never existed.
Sadly we all know differently.
They just want to continue to pass the blame.
But all these reports whitewash thje real crime – the church knew of most of these vile crimes……….
And instead of dragging the vile priests off to the police in chains, let them continue their sick trade.
And the church in most cases simply moved the offending priests to new locations, where unknown, they could continue their crimes.
Resulting in the priests rumor mills spreading the idea that it was ok and the church would protect them . Which it did.
The church of endless evil, of which molesting kids is just another of their horrible actions.
http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/01/milwaukee-archdiocese-files-for-bankruptcy.php Jan 2011
http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/images/Grand_Jury_Report.pdf this is link to Philadelphia grand jury report on catholic church abuse
Also google “christian brothers Ireland” just another horrible example of how the church protects itself while abusing kids
Excellent comment, totally agree.
All they are about is passing blame.
I don’t have the link but there was a case where the priest blamed the kid for the abuse
The pope and others protects the pedophiles and always will
Yep that sounds about right.
Clearly people of religion are dangerous to be around children.
All offenders blame the kids . They say the child seduced them or came on to them first. It is the same as the stupid excuse ” if a woman wears a short skirt or shows cleavage she is asking to be raped. Everyone is to blame except the one committing the offense
Only the Catholic Church could come up with this. Pass the buck onto the 60′s.
Please give me strength. No responsibility taken by the church and it’s actions. It beggar’s belief. How can they justify this. Celibacy is the cause. No- one, let alone the church has the right to say you have to be celibant. This is where the church has fallen down.
Marriage should be for everyone, including the church. Then this issue of child abuse would never have happened in the proportions it has.
The Catholic Church must be held accountable. No buck passing or dodging their responsibilities to society.
When are straight people going to wake up and face the fact that most child molesters are straight. It has nothing to do with the sex of the child it has to do with power and opportunity. I was molested by several men all of whom had wives and families. My own brother molested me when we were teens but he is straight. When I was a rent boy most men had wedding rings. And if the police raid the cottages at rush hour they would find a majority of the men are “straight “married men. I have worked in this field both with offenders and with survivors, so I do know the facts. Call me any gay slang you want but don’t dare call me a child molester!