I sincerely hope that Elton John was accompanied by a medical expert as he is blatantly unqualified to be duscussing HIV rates among gay men on his own
The rise in HIV is very worrisome.
However I do not welcome the vile opportunist Elton John trying to install himself into the conversation.
Elton JOhn is a man who willingly makes money from homophobia and racism (duetting with Eminem; pimping himself out as the wedding singer for a bigot; performing a series of lucrative gigs for a while audience in Apartheid era South Africa).
Elton John may mean well, but his own revoltingly opportunistic, greedy, past behaviour calls into question hs commitment to fighting Aids.
I mean really – this man knowingly profited from the Apartheid regime.
I entirely agree with you. I raised similar concerns when EJ announced that he was going to have this meeting. The reality is that financing for HIV charities and education has been cut and that is highly likely to impact on infection rates in gay men and other sectors of the community, leading to an increased cost for treatment etc for the exchequer
I have linked http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/@dh/@en/documents/digitalasset/dh_123502.zip which shows HM Government investment/budget at £750million , the ASG £28m plus £3.1million Capital grant for the UK http://benefits.tcell.org.uk/forums-keywords/benefits/social-care-rights-responsibilities-entitlements/aids-support-grant-asg . The cost of HIV treatment is known and is covered at http://benefits.tcell.org.uk/forums/foi-request-london-specialised-commission-hiv-budget-200910-201011-and-201112-known
David, what utter hogwash. Before the cuts HIV charities were busy abusing and wasting funding with ineffective HIV campaigns that made little or no impact in preventing HIV rates within the gay community. Quite the opposite in fact. It is time THT and GMFA were hauled over the coals for their wilfull negligence and intransigence while constantly bleating that the feelings of those with HIV must be put before the need for HIV-negative men to be properly and graphically informed about the true facts about HIV transmission and the devastating effect that antivirals wreak on the human body. Scandalous! I do hope Elton John properly briefed Cameron about these wilfull failures. It is time these charities were shut down and compassion-led HIV charities who put the community’s interest ahead of their own were erected in their place.
I agree, Elton John himself is not qualified to comment on HIV although I suspect he knows a fair deal.
It was reported in March that he was taking others from his HIV foundation so hoping that was kept and changes for the positive and better discussed.
Having said that Elton John, while indeed being an opportunist may also be a good, ideal person to get the problems surrounding HIV out there in the open.
Too many times HIV is treated as something that shouldn’t be talked about openly and that in itself creates a dangerous agenda when what we need is open and visible so others can listen and learn.
Lets hope some positive comes from this.
For example I heard recently that someone tried to get PEP from a hospital after an accident occurred with a broken condom.
Because he said he couldn’t be sure that the person he had slept with had HIV he was refused on the grounds of cost.
A few weeks later that same person was diagnored with HIV.
So the cost of one treatment of PEP which probably would have been effective has now turned into the cost of lifetime treatment.
Having recently gone through similar for something different I have to ask…
Why do doctors and hospitals deny prevention which effective costs less and leave til costly full treatment is needed.
Doesn’t make sense to me.
it is estimated that of the 92,000 people with HV in the UK the ratio is 60%men 40% women, also HPA suggest that 28,285 are accessing care in London, 2,891 access services in London that reside outside.
Its suggest that in total 92,000 people live with HIV/AIDS in the UK of which 69,000 of which 50% reside in London = 34,500 people.
Yes heterosexuals are still the biggest percentage although up to June 2010 the gap narrowed between those diagnoses and homosexual diagnoses.
The message is mainly concentrated on the LGBT community when education clearly needs to be much more across the board.
Yes, and of these heterosexuals diagnosed with HIV nearly all are African asylum seekers or of African origin. Indigenous rates of HIV are overwhelmingly among gay men. It is time the gay militants stopped twisting the facts to suit their political agendas.
And the problem with pigeon-holing groups to HIV is that others already believe they are immune, when theyare not.
Unless we keep to the fact HIV does not discriminate we can continue to fail to bring the new number of HIV diagnoses down.
You may jump to conclusions about ‘militants’, bizarre enough but speaking as someone living with HIV you are part of the problem why number remain high.
Blame all you want but when do you people start waking up and seeing the real problem.
According to the BBC news website Reg Dwight’s meeting with Cameron is solely to discuss the work of the Elton John Aids Foundation.
Which is a relief. So long as he understands that he is not being asked to speak on behalf of anyone except himself.
What can be done to ensure that the shameless opportunist Elton John is not merely using this meeting to promote himself?
Through his decades long, tireless efforts to financially profit from racism and homophobia, Elton John has rendered himself utterly ineffectual.
Preaching tolerance one minute, and the next minute cashing cheques from the proceeds of racism and homophobia seriously damages Elton John’s credibility.
http://benefits.tcell.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/Surveys/TCellsurveycomments_0.pdf one of its survey found, in which was done without external funding, an application to the Robert Keys Memorial Fund (managed by the EJAF) was declined.
Trouble is Elton John has the chance to turn his opportunist tendencies for the positive by getting the subject of HIV out in the open.
He doesn’t need to speak about what should be done but he can highlight the problem that discrimination because of it is growing more even between the LGBT community.
HIV has become he subject one people don’t want to talk about but it has to be talked about and openly.
But can you really trust someone willing to make money from the proceeds of racism and homophobia?
Perhaps he means well, but his history of profiting from bigotry delegitimises his intentions, even if they are good.
Unfortunately no-one else is stepping up so for now Elton John being vocal on the subject of HIV can only be a good thing.
Said like a true GMFA/THT executive fearing for their position.
Erm, crazy says what now?
Thats your argument is it?
Nothing to contribute to this subject then.
HPA 2010 report http://www.hpa.org.uk/hivuk2010
Oh ffs you lot, give the guy a break. He’s doing something good for those with HIV, which is better than nothing. Would you all prefer if he spent his time and energy and money working on saving african babies like the majority of other popstars do. At least he’s helping those with HIV, not hindering them. And I know he performed with eminem, who since then has turned his homophobic sentiments around. So maybe elton stopped a raging and prolific homophobe from preaching intolerance to his young fans. He performed at a republican bigots, but maybe that will do the same thing to the bigot as happened to eminem. Elton’s not perfect, but he’s doing more than me and I probably think most of you so a bit of support may be helpful. I don’t know what he did to you David, maybe wouldn’t sign an autograph or something? But you sound like stan from the eminem classic.
I would prefer if he brought a HIV expert with him.
He is not qualified.
And out of curiosity, I wonder if Elton John believes that homophobia increases HIV infection rates.
If he does, then how does he sleep at night, knowing that he has profiitted from homophobic bigotry.
Elton John repulses me. He has repulsed me since the day he toured Apartheid era South Africa.
Thing is who else at the moment is talking visibly about HIV that’ll be taken notice of?
http://benefits.tcell.org.uk/forums/march-alternative-tuc-london-26th-march-2011-hardest-hit-campaign-march-london-11th-may-2011#comment-17146 was held on the 11th May 2011
I agree Jock. HIV needs to be made a common place topic. It’s still a huge stigma and it shouldn’t be. It’s an illness that’s with you for life, and whatever anyone can do to help those who suffer with it is a good thing. I don’t like Elton’s music personally (well I like the lion king soundtrack when I’m feeling down), but I think he has gay rights in his heart. I know he’s an opportunist, like all celebrities, but so what, he’s doing good, not bad. You have to get over your repulsion David, I know he’s not perfect, and I don’t agree with everything he’s done, but he’s not that bad. There are much worse than him in the world.
I agree. Give the guy a break… Remember also that this is no ‘new thing’… The Elton John Aids Foundation has now been running for a very long time and has done untold good for many people.
Lets hear from the naysayers what THEY have done? How much AIDS research THEY have provided the funding for? How many people living with AIDS that THEY have provided funds for so they can get Sunday meals and help with shopping etc?
“Currently, service users can receive a hot Sunday meal, weekly grocery deliveries if they are house-bound and emergency food hampers…. ”
FFS guys, get real. Until we can stop bitching whining and point-scoring amongst ourselves, we have NO CHANCE of fighting for those who NEED our help and attention, those who suffer homophobia and discrimination.. Give the guy a break!
I say again, before you jump on your keyboards to reply…. What have YOU done??
I don’t know if you live with HIV David but I do and welcome anyone being vocal to help stop others from getting or even discriminating.
One of many issues here is about 40% of people affected with HIV/AIDS are on benefits, this could range from £64pw upwards. of the 92,000 known people with HIV/AIDS in the UK, about 10% receive DLA, 800 AA (Over 65′s) and 86 people ILF. The Food Chain supports 700 people in London and HPA suggest 28,285 are accessing care. More needs to be done to help address these issues.
http://benefits.tcell.org.uk/forums/hivaidslgbt-annual-accounts-analysis shows some interesting information
Agreed… But how does this affect the point that I was making? (that bitching about the work that EJAF IS doing is both crazy and counter productive).
You are quite correct. Much more needs to be done…. So what do we do? Sit back, wring our hands and decry someone for TRYING?
….and of course, the example I gave is only ONE instance of work done by the EJAF, not the total…
My question was to the naysayers… What have THEY done? How much money have THEY raised? Lets not attack those who are helping us, no matter how large or small their effort?
is one way of answering this question
Elton John duetted with Eminem to oppose homophobia, no-one knows what’s in Elton’s mind but it’s excellent that he’s doing this, anything that highlights HIV or anything that needs fighting can only benefit LBG, T and others