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  1. This Scum Ayres receives 7 years so he will serve what 3 years? I just hope they like young boys wherever you being sent Ayres.

    I do wonder about so called educated people – I presume Andrew Tucker is Ayres solicitor, he said “Ayres was immature but not homophobic, the defendant had the capability to feel sorrow for others and had been led by a group.’

    of course sweet pea – how do you managed to sleep each night when you spout such rubbish. These scumbags beat this guys with bats – the wounds were deep enough to expose bone.

    1. I have always wondered about the mindset of criminal lawyers, or at least those who are hired to defend those clearly guilty of heinous crimes. To try and twist a situation so this thug can get a lighter sentence would take someone with zero scruples or integrity. Since when was ‘immaturity’ a crime, yet that’s what the defence was. Ayres should get the sh-t hammered out of him in clink, its the only language he understands.

      1. Sounds very Biblical (old testament) style of response – retrribution and an eye for an eye …

        I am all for punishment fitting the crime, but that in no way justifies the use of violence on another

        1. Well considering he’s more than likely only going to serve half his sentence I wouldn’t call that a fit and just punishment either.

          1. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 3:36pm

            True but how does wishing this violence make us any more human than him?
            We all know his life will be unpleasant inside but that is his punishment.

          2. Dunno what will make his life unpleasant really. He’s been deprived his liberty that’s all, and as he spent his free time kicking the sh1t out of gay guys sounds like he had very little else to occupy himself with so what with the three square meals a day he’ll be getting plus the counselling, the roof over his head, and more than likely access to tv, computer etc I think his time inside won’t be that ‘unpleasant’. Also lags ‘inside’ seem to have this ridiculous code of behaviour that only kiddy fiddlers are the true ‘evil’. This thug c–t will inevitably align himself with other hard men and he’ll probably come out in a couple of years with more mates than he went in with.

          3. @CMYB

            Considering the starting point for an offence of this nature is likely to be 5 years – a seven year sentence is significant.

            Equally when you consider that some manslaughters get less than 3 years, 7 years is again significant.

            You presume that he will get early release – because you presume that he behaves appropriately in prison . He may not and he may serve a full sentence

          4. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 5:32pm

            CMYB
            I think it is safe to say his life is going to be far from cushy.
            His aggression certainly isn’t going to win over any fans.
            With that and being lock-up and restricted sets a scene of tempers, battles and male egos.
            I would hope he came out a better person than he went in but be under no illusions, life is gonna be far from sweet.

  2. Nobody should wish prison rape on anybody, however loathsome.

    1. Paddyswurds 16 May 2011, 3:04pm

      @ Dan filson…
      …. How would you like it if you were the victim.? I sincerely hope he get a good seeing to every hour for the 3 or so years he is in there. He deserves no less. The man could have been killed. This sort of thing has to be snuffed out and a harsh prison regime is the only thing this thug will learn by.

      1. And you think physical and mental torment each and every day can possibly make up for the victim being beaten up?
        There’s a saying in this world and although it’s hard to adhere to at times it stands true “two wrongs don’t make a right”.

      2. @Paddyswurds

        There is a huge difference between a harsh prison regime and rape ….

        I am very surprised you see things that way – I thought you had more integrity and honour than that

      3. @Paddyswurds

        I have seen you in a totally different light ….

        I thought you were seeking a fair and responsible society – clearly youre not

    2. let someone bang you over the head with bats so your bone is displayed and see if you have the same view.

      i dont feel anything for these scum but only for the poor guy that was attacked

      1. I’m not condoning what happened at all. I think the people that attacked him are vile.

        But perhaps we’d be better putting that anger to good use and ensuring that it doesn’t happen to anyone again – as opposed to wishing unspeakable pain on one t*at

        1. Paddyswurds 16 May 2011, 6:31pm

          @Mendirin…
          ………He will get over it; maybe even get to enjoy it, however your man who got the beating would have had a rather hard time getting over or enjoying being dead as that seemed to be this thugs intention when he set out with his homophobic pals to beat him with baseball bats. I know what i would do with his baseball bat and it wouldn’t be hitting a home run. …….

          1. Er, I have clicked on the Daily Mail web site by accident?

            Wishing rape on anyone is vile. This is a most dispicable crime, clearly, but thank goodness none of you are the judge and jury. Hopefully he’ll be rehabilitated and emerge a better adult than he went in. Time to be tough on the causes of crime too.

        2. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 9:44am

          I agree.
          At what point do we stop being human just to punish someone?
          There’s a case in Iran at the moment where a man throw acid into a womans face blinding her.
          He had been sentence to have the same done to him last weekend but it was halted.
          It looks like because of pressure from the world community.
          Whilst there are plenty that agree that he should have the same done is it right that we should act just as bad as the criminal to make a point?
          Should we cease to be humane in the name of punishment?
          Let’s not pretend that this vile teenager is going to have it easy on the inside but wishing rape is on someone barbaric.

      2. Agreed , i had a naive mate who was always playing devils advocate until he was mugged had his head used as a football, he soon woke up afterwards. It’s very sad that it does take certain individuals to be assaulted also before they can empathise with victims of crime.

    3. no fear of that , its hardly some prison in Alabama. It’s Uk prison akin to holiday camp.

      1. Hey, what are you trying to say? That we don’t have empathy?

        You have no idea what has happened to any of us on this thread or what people have gone through in their lives so I would urge you not to make snap decisions.

        I am saying (because i feel the need to repeat it) that perhaps if we actually got together and did things (instead of bleating about it and wishing torment on one person) and contacted our MP’s and made a fuss then perhaps we can stop it from happening as often.

        People are so blinded by their own hate and anger at times they fail to see the bigger picture.

  3. Jock S. Trap 16 May 2011, 11:52am

    So out in?
    Hardly punishment.
    I know he’s not going to get it easy inside but not harsh enough.
    As for him claiming he didn’t know his friends were carrying weapons and then joking about the attack on Facebook, what a lowlife lying sh!t!
    Should have been at least 10 years without parole.

  4. Barbaric and caculated. That kind of violence is thought out and processed – he certainly wasn’t ‘tricked’.

    As a result a man has been affected in many mroe ways than physically – disgusting.

    Also, even mass murderers can show pity and sorrow for action. Doesn’t mean they are sincere!

    1. The reality is he claimed he was tricked but the judge didnt accept that given the evidence of boasting on facebook etc.

      Its difficult for me to say whether I agree with the sentence given, as it depends largely on prior behaviour of the individual involved, psychological reports etc. when you look at is dispassionately. My thought is that 7 years is a lengthy sentence when manslaughter often carries only 3 or 4 years.

      1. I hopw when theyve finished with his ass its as big as a clowns pocket

        1. I hope they give him no reason to want to engage in future violence against the LGBT communities on his release ….

          1. Paddyswurds 16 May 2011, 6:38pm

            @Stu….
            ….either that or he will realise and come to terms with the reason for his homophobia in the first place, his own latent homosexuality. Maybe the judge done him a huge favor and he will come out a decent and vocal member of the GBL community..

          2. @Paddyswurds

            If only it were that simple that all homophobes were latent homosexuals – unfortunately its not the case ….

          3. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 9:47am

            Paddys…
            You say that as if it would be something to be proud of.

          4. That is the other issue Stu, he’ll now have some lifelong vendetta against the LGBT community as he’s been punished on their behalf. Nutjobs like him just can’t differentiate between right and wrong. Bashing some gay guy for sport is all in a day’s fun for someone like him.

          5. @CMYB

            It may have been sport for him – its our job to punish and re-educate him as a society

            and to ensure we have high standards

          6. Our job to re-educate him Stu? I wish it wasn’t. I don’t go around kicking the sh1te out of straight people ’cause I don’t know any better. I know I have no right to lay a finger on another person or their property, decency and common sense taught me that. Why should I or society at large NOW be responsible for what happens to this little thug c–t when he’s released in about 24 months? If a stint in clink at our cost both metaphorically and financially hasn’t taught him any lessons why should we?

          7. @CMYB

            I hope you don’t go round beating the sh*t out of people …

            The fact is that because this guy was involved in action of that nature, then he does need re-educating – just because you don’t require that education does not mean that society would not benefit from this guy being re-educated.

        2. This is the uk, male rape is practically non existant in prisons here , he probably will get free education and council flat when he comes out.

          1. @rapture

            Not strictly true – having been a police officer who haws investigated male rape in prison …. it is very much present and very much underreported if the research of a variety of charities is accurate

            Also, even if it is as rare as you contend – that does not make wishing rape on anyone a respectable or honourable act or thought process – regardless of what wrong doing the person involved has also committed

          2. i did’nt wish rape on anyone , so your comment is not applicable as a response to mine in that respect. As for rape being almost non existant i am speaking from the testimonies of family/friends some gay n trans who have been in prisonand their first hand take on the topic if you have evidence to the contrary please direct or provide to this source.

          3. How was your study of male rape in uk prisons facilatated and what are your findings?

          4. Jock S. Trap 18 May 2011, 10:39am

            Oooh rapture, I think you should re-read Stu’s comment.

          5. @ jock i have read it and provided an appropriate response. I still say rape is almost non existant in uk prisons to those who seem to fantasise about what will happen to this thug when he goes inside.

          6. @Rapture

            I did not say that you personally endorsed or supported rape in prison, so please do not twist the comments I made

            Your friends who served time in prison may not have experienced or witnessed anything in prison and I would not question the legitimacy of their experiences. However, they are unlikely to know all the experiences on every wing of each prison.

            Having been responsible for investigating two sexual assaults on men (including a rape) and being aware of several other similar investigations within my own police service (when I worked for the police) – and being aware of the view that male rape is likely to be one of the most underreported crimes in the UK – coupled with the distrust of the police from those who are within prison – I find good ground to suggest that your contention (based on the experience of some friends) is likely to be more inaccurate than my perception based on professional experience, and the likelihood of reporting

          7. @Rapture

            You may also find this website interesting reading

            http://www.amsosa.com/prisons.htm

      2. David Myers 17 May 2011, 6:18am

        You think seven years is to long because manslaughter often carries only 3 or 4 years? Then agitated for longer sentanced for manslaughter if it bothers you, not less for his crimes. As to prison rape he should have just as much protection from it as everyone else should – i.e. totally protected with criminal charges taken against any rapist regardless of their sexuality.

        1. @David Myers

          I did not say 7 years was too long – I said it was lengthy – please do not twist my words

          I think manslaughter sentences often are too short and I have been involved in campaigning for consideration of changes to the sentencing guidelines on manslaughter

          What I think is clear in commentary on this thread is that it is important that sentencing decisions are carried out dispassionately, with regard to the full facts (rather than the limited ones the media provide), with knowledge of the background of the victim and the offender and with insight provided by professionals – the sentence chosen should be sufficient to both protect the public and act as a punishment/deterrant – but it should not be retribution – that is not the type of criminal justice system we have in England & Wales.

  5. “He claimed that he did not know his friends were carrying weapons.”

    And that is supposed to makes it better? 4 “friends” getting together with the sole intention to inflict harm on an innocent individual, and he “didn’t think they would use weapons”? But he still went on facebook to brag about it? Quite the testament to humanity, this chap.

  6. Why ‘conspiracy to commit gbh’? Why not attempted murder? He set this guy up for a potentially lethal assault, either intending death or with depraved indifference (as our American friends say) regarding it. Stiffer charges and penalties needed for some of these characters, I think.

    1. Attempted murder is a notoriously difficult crime to a) prove and b) get the CPS to agree to proceed with …

      The difficulty of proving it is about getting into the mindset of the offender and knowing what their intention was. Given that the defence for the conspiracy to assault related to not believing harm would come to the victim – it may have been seen as difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt that murder was the intended outcome. If he didnt carry out the assault, then it is more likely he personally didnt want the victim to die – otherwise would he not have joined in if he was there? All supposition neither of us (I suspect) was there.

      I was very disappointed in the police when a colleague was stabbed and we sought a charge of attempted murder but the CPS ruled that we could not prove the offender intender to kill despite one of the stab wounds being in the neck

      1. Paddyswurds 16 May 2011, 6:39pm

        One wonders who wrote these laws in the first place.They seem entirely designed to protect the lawbreaking thug than the victim.

        1. Spanner1960 16 May 2011, 7:05pm

          It might be perceived that way, but wait until you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you get accused. The law has to be seen as both unbiased and dependant entirely on evidence. The moment we start banging people up on hunches and hearsay is the moment we return to the dark ages.

          I appreciate the guy should have got more than he did, but it cannot be proven, so he can be thankful for that.

        2. Our laws are full of checks and balances to prtect as many people as they can including you.

      2. Spanner1960 16 May 2011, 7:08pm

        Surely murder , as opposed to manslaughter, is based on malice aforethought. These people went out to specifically armed to beat up this man. It was not a spur of the moment act.

        Had they killed him, they would almost certainly have been charged with murder, so why can they not view the situation that they may well have set out to kill him, but failed?

        1. @Spanner on your two separate posts I have a great deal of sympathy … firstly, it is important that we do not dilute our justice system just because we do not like the results with particular cases – its important that the prosecution prove their case beyond reasonable doubt otherwise there will be many miscarriages of justice.
          Secondly, malice aforethought (or simply put intention) is required in murder – as opposed to manslaughter. But what is required is either desire to kill or such action that the person must have reasonably believed that the victim would die. If the defence can prove they had no intention for the person to die then it will not be murder. If the victim had died, I have no doubt a charge of murder against those who carried out the assault would have been preferred – but that the male who did not engage in violence would probably still have been charged with conspiracy to commit GBH as it would be difficult to prove he intended death

          1. Spanner1960 16 May 2011, 10:34pm

            Stu: I assume from the many posts on here by you either work in the law, or have a very good understanding of it.

            I was understanding that murder was a preconceived plan to kill someone, however, is it murder if you plan to beat the hell out of someone and they subsequently die, as opposed to just getting in a scrap, and they die as a result of that?

            Surely the fact that they attacked the man with intent must carry more weight?

          2. @Spanner

            I am a former police officer – so have a reasonable understanding of the law and have tried to stay up to date with changes in the areas where I was particualrly interested.

            Answering your question is not entirely straightforward – as in many areas of law – it depends … Absolutely, murder is a planned and preplanned killing. Where a death occurs but that was categorically unintended then it ought to be treated as manslaughter. However, one must consider whether the offender(s) ought to have realised that their actions were likely to result in the death of the victim eg stabbing him multiple times and in particular areas eg chest, neck etc. We also must consider if it was not intended to be death – did the offender try first aid, call an ambulance etc. Was there provocation, what was the state of mind of the accused. It is fairly easy in many cases (in my view) to determine that it is murder but some are difficult …

  7. So what about the perpetrator’s contention that he thought the man was a paedophile? What’s all that about and where is the evidence? Even so, it doesn’t justify this vile hate crime, absolutely appalling.

  8. I would like to know whether Ayes aided the police in arresting and prosecuting the other neanderthals party to this merciless and cowardly act. Surely only this gesture would be evidence of the sincerity of his alleged remorse – given the severity of the attack. If he is not willing to testify against each and every member, then surely this should extirpate any scope for early parole?

    1. People who then name the other perpetrators usually only do so for a lighter sentence themselves, I wouldn’t call that showing ‘remorse’, I’d say it shows him as the coward he truly is.

  9. Don Harrison 16 May 2011, 4:10pm

    Jesus says nothing about same-sex behaviour.
    The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.

    1. That’s not exactly an endorsement either, Don Harrison. I wish the bible more explicitly affirmed same sex love and affection, especially from Jesus.

      1. Paddyswurds 16 May 2011, 6:46pm

        Is there not anectdotal evidence that this Jesus, if he ever existed, was, if not actively gay, then latently so. As a 33 year old single man with a shady and vague early life who hung out with a group, entirely made up of men, at least two of whom we know were lovers, i’d say the evidence is weighted toward him being gay. He even haqd a fag hag in Mary whatsherface, the working girl.

        1. Spanner1960 17 May 2011, 2:50pm

          Mary Magdelane. The one that wasn’t a virgin. ;)

          1. LMAO. Good call Spanner. Though I can’t believe we’re arguing the toss over a piece of fiction, albeit a piece of fiction that has left a load of f–ked up people now calling the shots for society at large.

    2. Yawn. People are always trotting out statements like that on here, its just so pointless and boring trying to reconcile Christianity with a gay lifestyle. There’s is far more evidence of Christianity being anti-gay than there is evidence of the church accepting us.

    3. Spanner1960 17 May 2011, 11:57pm

      CMYB: Why not? People build huge websites about Harry Potter, and that bears about the same level of reality as the Bible or Koran.

      You can read whatever conclusions you want from a collection of words. Explicit statements are generally never a problem, it’s the implied ones that people construct by reading between the lines and seeing things that were never there that really cause the grief.

      Ask J. K. Rowling. She has said herself that her readers have far more vivid imaginations than she has, and half the things they see in her books she never wrote and that they are all sadly deluded.

  10. I wish they would stop referring to those 18 and 19 as teenagers. It makes them seem to be children and they are not. In the US once you turn 18 you are legally an adult and fully responsible for your actions.

    1. Paddyswurds 16 May 2011, 6:52pm

      .@John….
      ……does teenager not refer to those with teen after their age as in eighteen or nineteen? In the UK the age of consent is 16. More like we shouldn’t refer to teenagers of any age as children. Most boys nowadays at thirteen a 6 foot bruisers with full beards and all that goes with and are hardly children.

      1. In England & Wales the legal age of responsibility is 10 not 16 or 18 – therefore at age 10 someone can be convicted of any criminal offence (providing there is sufficient evidence etc)

        The reality is from 13th birthday to 19 years and 364 days we are/were all teenagers.

        All teenagers are legally responsible for their actions in the UK (its from age 8 in Scotland I believe)

  11. John, that may be the case in the U.S. but some states apparently prohibit anyone under 21 from buying or consuming alcohol. Makes no sense being treated as an adult at 18 and being made responsible for one’s actions except for alcohol consumption.

  12. George Earl 16 May 2011, 5:24pm

    Isn’t this convicted number getting off far too easily? You bet! I’d like to see him spend his remaining years smack behind bars with no chance of having his term shortened. All too many of his type wander off with virtually no punishment, and merely give other straights inspiration to land upon we gay men and women without cause. No, lock him up–and lets hope that the prison personnel have enough gays to see that he isn’t let live all too easily!

  13. hang him

    1. Even in the days of capital punishment in the UK he would not have received such a sentence thankfully

      1. Spanner1960 18 May 2011, 12:03am

        It’s about time we had a few test cases.
        Maybe if we strung up a few of these malicious bastards it might make the rest of them think twice.

        Life is cheap when they sentence murderers, they can walk away with as little as five years. Its about time the courts treated the criminals with as much contempt as they showed their victims. Why should we support the likes of Ian Huntley and Fred West for the rest of their natural lives? It serves no purpose and I for one am indirectly paying for it and I resent it.

        I think the Euthanasia clinic in Zurich should expand it’s clientèle and cater for the less salubrious residents of our prison population as well.

    2. what a nasty animal you are…..

      1. Paddyswurds 17 May 2011, 12:18am

        He is almost as nasty as a religionist, eh Rich??

      2. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 9:51am

        Rich
        Do the words Pot and Kettle mean anything to you?

  14. Not going to make any apology for not giving a flying toss what this sub-human scum used as a ‘defense’.What did he think his mates were going to be doing,(if we are to believe he was ‘tricked’ into getting the victim to the car-park),play sodding tiddley-winks?! The only surprise is that his legal team didn’t spout the usual crud about what a terrible life Ayres had! I don’t think he should be raped while he’s inside,but I do believe he should serve every single day of his sentence,not the half which he’ll probably serve,& definitely no time off for ‘good behaviour’.

    1. you are worst then any street semi-male dog….

      1. LOL! What is a “semi-male dog” anyway? Did they teach you that at that school you don’t go to, Rich? Oh, bless, you truly are one of the stupidest people we have ever encountered in there.

        1. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 9:54am

          What drugs you on Rich?
          Any normal level headed person surely would write such nonsense.
          Semi-male dog?
          Seriously?

      2. Rich, you seriously need mental help.

    2. Paddyswurds 17 May 2011, 12:24am

      If he is raped then I do hope it gets plenty of coverage in the media. Perhaps that would deter any other low life contemplating similar actions as those that put this odious piece of scum behind bars in the first place.

  15. de Villiers 16 May 2011, 8:43pm

    The violence expressed on this board is appalling, almost American in its virulence, immaturity and vulgarity and displays as much violence in those who propose it as the person who committed this original crime.

  16. Poor boy! I will try to send him my supports…. British system is cruel, nasty and inhuman. I am sos sorry for this youth….

    1. Yeah, yeah, yeah…. broken frickin’ record.

    2. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 9:56am

      Blimey, someone let him off his leash again.
      I do think the owners of this muppet should be more responsible.

    3. Oooh, I’m so shocked. Not. Your attempts at provocation are pathetic, Rich. However, if your intention is to make yourself look like a complete fool then you’re doing very well.

  17. I’m not for violence, in any form but I’ve noticed that not one post commented on the fact that the “victim” is 50 and he was going to see an 18 year old. He probably was a pedophile. For any 50 y/o person to think that an 18 y/o would be interested in them clearly shows the “victim” is not thinking clearly and not using good judgement. He should not have put himself in that situation and he should be looking for hook-ups with people who are closer in age and mentality.

    1. No one commented on the fact of the age difference because it doesn’t matter. And to suggest that a 50 year old is a pedo because he went to meet an 18 year old says more about your mental state than the guy who got his head kicked in.

    2. Jock S. Trap 17 May 2011, 9:59am

      TJ
      Even if that was the reason he went the legal age of consent in the UK is 16 for all.
      So no law would have been broken.
      Your assumption does nothing but suggest the victim deserved what he got.
      Shameful.

    3. I agree with Eddie, 18 is above the legal age of consent, and does not make him a paedophile. Granted I agree that he showed an error of judgement, but hardly a criminal offence.

  18. What the 18 year old and his friends did was sick and he should be punished like anyone else. But I think all those above suggesting the young guy should be raped in prison are just as SICK. You should be ashamed of yourselves, it’s embarrassing to read. But then it is the usual nasty suspects who have no self respect that are suggesting it.

    1. Nah I hope he gets his ass torn out and its hanging there liks a wet sock.
      If he got away with this attack he would do worse next time. . Japp Borknapp murdered in new cross and they still haven’t found his murderer. The murderer probally started off with verbal abuse. anti gay people can all die and their defenders too thats you eddy you punk

      1. So do you think murderers should be raped as well? Or should they be murdered by murderers whilst they are inside. And what about those who beat pensioners up, or terrorists who blow innocent people up, should they be raped? And what about rapists, should they be raped by other rapists? And what about pedophiles? Should they be male raped as well? You seem to think the worst punishment someone could be given is male rape, which says more about your own attitude of gay sex to me. You’ve got issues mate. Sort your head out.

        1. Kill em all bitch

  19. What was Ayers doing on a website like that anyway? As for the retarded amoeba hired to defend Ayers, claimed he was immature, yet Ayers and his so-called friends knew how to use weapons.

    Maybe some time from now a great big guy will lamp the ten tons of immaturity out of him and install some bloody sense into him!

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