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US condemns ‘odious’ Ugandan anti-homosexuality bill

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  1. The Anti Homosexuality Bill is an artifact of Christian Dominionism in Uganda.

    Politically-active Christians of the extremist variety, especially seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action.
    The goal is either a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.

    1. On the subject of allowing an intolerant faith to tke a foothold in a country we have enough trouble on our own doorstep, and it comes to something when the Daily Mail readers are supporting the LGBT community. I guess we’re the best of a bad lot as far they’re concerned.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386558/Tower-Hamlets-Taliban-Death-threats-women-gays-attacked-streets.html#comments

      1. Yes, I used to have a workspace in Tower Hamlets CMYB, what is going on there is very concerning and it doesn’t take a Daily Mail expose to know about .

        1. The level of threat has stealthily been creeping into the Shoreditch direction. East London will be a no-go area for the LGBT community in under a generation unless something is done to tackle the level of hatred and bigotry being cultivated and encouraged there by imams and what not.

          1. where are the great and the good as this is in the UK everyone keeps their mouths shut

          2. if you tone down your campness on the street then it shouldnt be a problem

          3. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 3:24pm

            Erm excuse me dear? LOL
            What rubbish, people should learn to stop being bullies and accept everyone is different.
            Then the world would be a much better place.
            Would be even better without idiot bigots like you kane.
            And what exactly makes you so precious enough to judge anyway?

          4. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 3:30pm

            kane
            Does your oh so Neanderthal mind also think women who wear short skirts or sexy clothing deserve to be raped?
            Maybe if you weren’t so ugly you shouldn’t have a problem finding a man of your own.
            I say that coz I can’t think of any woman wanting ya.

          5. Kane? Aka Rich by any chance? All these characters come out of the woodwork for one or two messages and then disappear to be replaced by another 4 letter moniker.

          6. @jock

            ‘…And what exactly makes you so precious enough to judge anyway?…’

            Erm excuse me dear?

            Judging, me? I thought it was your full time job on here

          7. @Jock

            its not about being different or being gay its about being irritating, camp people are so in your face

          8. Then kane, you should say at home.Win-win.

          9. @James!

            Pure curiosity, but who do you regard as the great and the good

            It’s just you refer to them often on these threads and your perception of who they are may be very different to mine

          10. Jock S. Trap 14 May 2011, 10:24am

            You accuse camp people of being ‘in ya face’ but I’m betting your agressive tendacies are just as ‘in ya face’ and probably more irritating.
            So what if some people are camp, or loud it doesn’t give anybody the right to be abusive and violent.
            It certainly doesn’t give you the right to be so judgemental.
            It’s only your problem if you’re so shallow you can’t let people be themselves.

          11. Jock S. Trap 14 May 2011, 10:25am

            Sorry that message for the oh so (not) delightful one-page-name-change-it-for-the-next kane.

          12. @jock
            Judgmental, moi? You are having a laugh or something, almost every comment from you on PN cointains some sort of judgmental drivel, garnished with dollops of patronising.
            And when it comes to being camp, not sure whats more in your face, a camp queen with oversized man bag, or a fat blob in pyjama bottoms shopping in tesco on sunday morning.

          13. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2011, 7:56am

            Kane
            We’ve clearly been down this road before.
            You can’t handle debate so why come here if it upsets you so much?
            And you really shouldn’t put yourself down by describing yourself as a ‘fat blob’ although I do question you going to Tesco’s on a Sunday morning in your PJs.
            Now bets on people what Kane will be changing his name to next…

          14. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2011, 11:21am

            I guess whats key here Kane is that at least when you make your claims you know it’s me your making them too because unlike you I keep to the one name.

    2. “MISSION AS TRANSFORMATION movement: The words “revival,” “reformation” and “transformation” now carry embedded dominionist connotations. “Fulfilling the Great Commission” (Matthew 28:18-20) no longer means spreading the Gospel message by speaking the Word of salvation from the Bible. The dominionist focus is placed upon the phrase making disciples, with an incorrect exegesis that is disconcertingly compulsory. Traditional mission evangelism, done one-on-one using the Bible, is being replaced with a slew of “kingdom building” corporate activities for cities, regions and nations. The disingenuous phrase “bless the nations” is often used to conceal dominionism. Dr. Bill Bright of Campus Crusade for Christ International and Ralph Winter, founder of the U.S. Center for World Mission and editor of the Perspectives on the World Christian Movement curriculum (which has taught dominionism to an entire generation of missionaries), have been among the chief architects of this movement.”

      1. Quoting above from:
        Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperialism

        http://www.discernment-ministries.org/ChristianImperialism.htm

        1. Bahati publicly covenanting the nation of
          Uganda to the purposes of Jesus Christ
          Excellent informative Video.
          Transforming Uganda
          http://www.vimeo.com/8749833:

          1. The Family: ‘Christian Mafia’ rules US?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqX87HzJvCo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

            The Family-Theocracy in America Exposed [part I]
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGbD1lcLEbQ&feature=related

            The Family-Theocracy in America Exposed [part II]
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Zaxeu7CtA&feature=related

            Jeff Sharlet – Is there a secret society of Christian crazies and is Mark Sanford a member?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUdg1TS-leE&NR=1

            A series of investigative videos on The Family:
            Search results for c street rachel maddow
            http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=c+street+rachel+maddow&search_type=&aq=f

            1961 speech Eisenhower Warns us of New World Order

          2. 1961 speech Eisenhower Warns us of New World Order

          3. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 4:13pm

            Oh dear Gaga, so much to watch.

  2. “However, it is popular among lawmakers and an electorate which sees homosexuality as perverted and un-African.”

    Uganda should worry less about homosexuality being “un-Africian” and more about how this vile leglistaltion makes them sub-human in the eyes of the world.

    1. Dan Filson 13 May 2011, 1:24pm

      Quite !!!

      1. Totally …

        This would bring back genocide to Uganda – a thing their current President prides himself on erradicating and providing transition for the country from its legacies under Amin

        Time to stop this barbaric legislation

  3. Is that some sort of a ‘cock’ on the Ugandan flag?

    1. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 12:08pm

      It is but not a very big one!

      1. Looks a lot like Roadrunner to me … animated film character, always outsmarting Wile E. Coyote

        1. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 3:31pm

          MeMe!

  4. The US and UK need to keep up the pressure certainly. But odious?? I’ve described bad farts as odious before today. I’d have gone for much stronger language to describe this!

    Anyone remember the world wide hysteria during South African Apartheid? The world imposed economic sanctions on S.Africa, barred them from international sports competitions, and everyone knew Nelson Madela’s name as it was all the media spoke about.

    Uganda now goes and persecutes and segregates a minority born the way they are (but they just happen to be gay) and it’s just “odious”? If this were racist, you bet more would have been done!!!

  5. I agree , odious wtf ? Seriously.

    Why must politicians pussy foot around just say it as it is.

    1. Odious is pretty strong adjective in my book

  6. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 11:37am

    I’m glad the US has taken a stand on this. More of the world needs to do the same.

    1. US are full of it. They have the same attitude in their back yard and they execute people without a fair trial,.

      1. James!

        I fully accept the US are far from perfect

        They, however, do not imprison or execute people due to their sexuality – nor do they propose this …

        In fact, most proposals in relation to LGBT matters are now progressive … although stunningly slow and hit by opposition from the religious right at every turn … and then there are the likes of WBC

        Nonetheless – it is wholly appropriate that the US federal government should fully condemn Uganda for its proposals

        1. friday jones 13 May 2011, 10:49pm

          It was Americans who came to Uganda and propagandized them to do this. Don’t you people remember “The Call?” That self-styled preacher man who rented the LA Colosseum for an anti-gay-rights rally? He went to Uganda along with some other like-minded individuals, and preached that all their problems were caused by homosexuals. Gay people are Uganda’s Jews and this is the first of their Nuremberg Laws.

          1. @Friday Jones

            I wouldn’t blame the entire American people or the nation for the actions of some of the more extreme aspects of their evangelical churches especially those operating outside of the US

            Nor would I blame the current British government and people for the historical wrongs of the British empire

          2. I do agree though that gay people may well be Ugandas Jews

  7. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 11:39am

    Just differing but while on the subject of Tower Hamlets…
    Interesting that a person has been arrested for the homophobic posters in East London.
    Being that we know have it confirmed who put the posters up can we please have a statement from Rainbow Hamlets and Out East regarding how they intend to proceed and how they intend to continue to speak and work for the LGBT community when it is quite clear they have ‘other’ interests?

    1. The perpetrator will probably be given a community order and asked to write a 500 word essay on how to be a better person. If it were some white kid with too much time on his hands and a grudge against a non-white community he’d be hung out to dry.

      1. It would be more interesting to know where he got the stickers from, who printed the posters and who put the guy up to post them round the streets, there must be others who were putting the anti-gay stickers up around Tower Hamlets.

        1. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 12:03pm

          oh indeed.
          I have always believed this is just a ‘fall guy’

          1. To find out all those facts feathers would have to be ruffled and the authorities aren’t willing to do that as they’d be accused of victimising a community, unlike the LGBT community who are still fair game in this country when it comes to being on the receiving end of hate crimes. Uganda my ass, people need to look after their own ‘shop’ first before telling others how to go about their business. But saving Uganda is a far more ‘worthy’ and newsworthy issue than admitting the UK and US are both in a heap of sh1te regarding home policies over equality.

      2. Maybe not, given new media reports that the CPS will consider charges of inciting gay hatred ….

        If it had been the simple section 5 charge (which I was extremely disappointed by) then I don’t think the offender (assuming convicted and they are entitled to be assumed to be innocent until that is fully proven) would even get a community order – it would be a conditional discharge etc

        If the extra charge is brought then it could be a very significant penalty

    2. A man has been charged so this issue should not be further discussed until after the trial.

      1. @Dan

        No; it is fair to discuss matters which are subjudice – provided that discussion does not impact on the ability of the individual who has been charged to receive a fair and impartial trial

        Care needs to be exercised to be restrained in what is said

        The law on subjudice is not intended to be a bar on freedom of speech, merely a protective matter to ensure fair trial

  8. Savages.

    Also, I really don’t think the US is in a position to throw its weight around on this issue. Perhaps they also need to get their own house in order concerning LGBT rights. Some states don’t even have equality lawn applicable to the LGBT community.

    Hypocrits.

    1. Too right

    2. I think the US federal government is in a much better place regarding LGBT rights than any of the proposals of the Ugandan politicians and is perfectly entitled to voice its opinion – whether you welcome it, or agree with it is entirely a different matter

  9. ***IMPORTANT***
    Please take a look at this video
    Transforming Uganda,
    It shows all the key players and will explain the whole background to the fiasco in Uganda , the sound levels vary as it uses video clips from different sources.(20 mins)
    http://www.vimeo.com/8749833

  10. Uganda makes its own laws, its no one elses business what they do make, or laws they pass. Keep your noses out.

    1. You are a remarkably stupid person Jenny.

      Are you by any chance Ugandan as your stupidity indicates that you are.

      if Uganda passes this law then all aid to that country must stop.

      1. @David

        Whilst I agree that Jennys views are ridiculous – assuming that she is Ugandan as a result is both offensive and arrogant.

        I know many Ugandan people who are intelligent and supportive of true equality – unfortunately a mix of politicians who are homophobic and corruption has led to this cultural movement of homophobia – even if this bill is not passed there needs to be much work done to eradicate the evil of the homophobia in Uganda.

        @Jenny

        The UK had laws on internment in Northern Ireland which many internationally campaigned against – they were entitled to their views. Guantanamo Bay is dealt with under US law and many internationally have campaigned against it – they are entitled to their views. Personally, I agree internment, Guantanamo and the Ugandan proposals are alle equally wrong.

        In the same way Pol Pot in Cambodia was wrong in his genocide and The Rwandans were wrong in their genocide etc so a law enabling gay genocide in Uganda is wrong

    2. As soon as they stop taking my tax money as aid they can make their own laws until then shut you cakehole you ho

      1. Abso-f88king-lutely James. Likewise Pakistan with the poor mouth and the hand out looking for aid and all the time harbouring the figure head of an international terror organisation. Then again we’re the mugs who just accept it. I admire the French attitude to taking to the street en masse to voice their opinions. Likewise the Icelandic public made themselves heard loud and clear when the sh1t hit the fan with the bank collapses a few years back.

        1. True about the french the sent all their islamic extremeist over here in 1995 after the metro bomb. the call us londonistan

    3. “Germany makes its own laws, its no one elses business what they do make, or laws they pass. Keep your noses out.”
      Berlin – 1933.

      This that one is okay too Jenny, or didn’t you see the outcome of that one either?

    4. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 3:34pm

      Maybe Jenny/LU/lila or whoever you may be next time would prefer to go move to Uganda where the other bigots live.
      Killing innocent is ALL our business.

      1. Here Here

  11. If the US is at all serious about the human rights of gay people it should do something about the US churches that spend much of their tome and effort in Africa preaching homophobia. Much homophobia is, unsurprisingly, generated from US funded evangelising.

    1. If you watch the video I provided a link to earlier you will see they have the ear and mind of Janet Museveni… the first Lady of Uganda and her sister Patience whi is the Minister of Tax & Finance.

    1. Shelved till next session anyway when it will likely all start again.

    2. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 3:36pm

      Ok for now but I think it’s far from over.

      1. Apparently shelved as it would be unconstitutional to introduce new laws when the cabinet was not in place (dissolved by President) – strangely the president was feeling very uncomfortable at international opinion on this matter – he has threatened to refuse to sign this bill into law.

        I don’t think this is over, but I suspect the battle will be surprising. Even if the bill is killed – there is then the battle of changing the culture of homophobia that is pervading Uganda

  12. Staircase2 13 May 2011, 5:11pm

    Why dont you lot just start another board somewhere else to slag each other off and peddle misinformation based on the news of the day?
    You rarely discuss the actual article youre ‘responding’ to – instead veering off on some idiotic knee jerk tangent (usually about muslims for some bizarre reason!) And youre on every single commentary on any article I ever read – whats up with that? (now either we’re all reading the same stories or more likely YOU are all reading EVERY single story as a poor excuse to say something about something else!)

    1. Thanks Staircase – many of us do discuss the issue …

    2. Staircase has sand in her vagina, very tetchy today.

      1. Jock S. Trap 14 May 2011, 10:28am

        Oh my!

  13. Oh dear Kane, its clear you have an issue with Gay guys. All together now… “Ahh, diddums…” I suppose it could be jealousy, or are you uncomfortable with your own sexuality?

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