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Uganda to debate gay execution bill tomorrow

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  1. Jock S. Trap 12 May 2011, 11:06am

    “Homosexuality is viewed as un-African and against Christian values.”
    Right so imprison and execute them then… yeah that must be the answer… Not!
    But do it in the name of Religion thats fine…Not!
    Absolutely Disgusting.

  2. A nation of Idiots

    1. Your statement is bizzarre and disgusting,and extremely ignorant.Homophobia exists all accross the world and is an international issue that confronts society and while i think as a homosexual,Uganda is dead wrong and i have done my part by signing the petition,labeling a nation as “idiots’” is prepubescent and worthy of criticism.Your comment is annoying.If you cannot engage intellectually with these things,refrain next time.

  3. This is what happens when the religious right (Christofascists) gain the upper hand.
    Vile in the extreme.

    1. Anti-gay evangelical religious groups have played a big part in all of this providing fantasy statistics to defame gay people as child molesters, these same statistics have been used to convince people wrongly that the anti Homosexuality Bill is needed.
      Pressure must now be put on the Ugandan Government not only to drop the Anti Homosexuality Bill but also instead to decriminalise homosexuality.

  4. Homosexuality is as ‘unAfrican’ as drinking water. I despair for Uganda. Do they actually WANT to appear to be a backward, ignorant country? And gullible too, if they swallow the lies of US evangelicals.

    1. Well seeing as Uganda is behaving like a backward, ignorant, gullible, stupid, murderous country, I think it’s only reasonable to regard it in that manner.

      And of course all aid money to Uganda must cease if this bill proceeds.

      A country which has the resources to persecute gay people, clearly does not require handouts from civilised countries.

  5. Sick hateful misguided evil people. 40 percent catholic, where is the pope in saying this bill is unchristian? At least Rowan Williams has stood up and said what he thinks of it. I just hope if this bill goes through they are removed from the anglican communion.

    1. The Pope has said he does not support “unjust discrimination” against homosexuals, that’s not saying much because he speaks out strongly against equality for gays at every opportunity and calls homosexuality intrinsically evil, he clearly thinks strong discrimination against homosexuals is just but he seems he to stop short of supporting the killing of gays, his entrenched anti-gay attitude helps to inflame the anti-gay sentiment in Uganda that has resulted in this situation.

    2. The vile bigot Rowan Williams has also covered himself and his disgusting cult with guilt.

      Williams refuses to unequivocally condemn the proposed genocide. He also refuses to expel the Anglican maniacs in Uganda from the church, because of their support for the genocide.

      Rowan Williams’ only concern is the unity of his bigotted cult.

  6. Amazing the way they don’t find Christianity ‘un-African’, isn’t it?

    1. No doubt Jesus himself would be one of the first to be lynched by the un-Christians if he turned up in Uganda. Unmarried man hanging about down the docks? “Only converting fishermen you say?” Guilty!

  7. So the legalised murder and incarceration of innocent people is considered “African” and “christian”, is it?

  8. Another Hannah 12 May 2011, 12:53pm

    Christian? The most basic strongest part of the bible is the ten commandments, and of those the strongest “Thou shalt not kill” obviously. They really must, like many of those Americans, be seriously think and seriously about as unchristian as it’s possible to be. They cannot be Christians because by thier own beliefs they are damming themselves to hell, as incidentally is the pope.

    1. I don’t mind going to hell hopefully I’ll be one of torturers of the hypocrites

  9. What’s happening in Uganda is profoundly barbaric, bigoted, intolerant, hateful, mindless and petrified. Just another day in mankind’s dark and dismal stay on planet earth.

  10. George Broadhead 12 May 2011, 4:26pm

    Much of the homophobic bigotry which is rife in Uganda and other African countries emanates from religious sources, including US Evangelical Christians. It certainly emanates from the Anglican Church of Uganda which states on its website: “The Church of Uganda appreciates the spirit of the Bill’s objective of protecting the family, especially in light of a growing propaganda to influence younger people to accept homosexuality as a legitimate way of expressing human sexuality. We particularly appreciate the objectives of the Bill which seek to provide for marriage in Uganda as contracted only between a man and woman; prohibit and penalize homosexual behaviour and related practices in Uganda as they constitute a threat to the traditional family; prohibit ratification of any international treaties, conventions, protocols, agreements and declarations which are contrary or inconsistent with the provisions of the Act; prohibit the licensing of organizations which promote homosexuality”. Unfortunately the vast majority of the population are Christian and clearly greatly influenced by these malign Bible-based policies.

  11. A quick Google search reveals threads where some people in this country show they totally approve of Uganda’s stance.
    Frightening!
    It’s a REALITY.
    There are people out there who really believe WE should all be executed, finished off, simply because we are LGB or T.

    1. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 9:26am

      Yes sadly uneducated people are out there but luckily they are a small minorty however little comfort that these disturbing people actually feel innocent human beings should die just to make them feel better.

  12. Active Homosexuals must understand that Christians believe that Man is both body and spirit and in this life is called to discover and practice the goodness of the truth so that he may transcend to his eternal destiny, ie life with God which is we are told is the ultimate happiness. To those who feel singularily attracted to a person of the same sex, then that person is called to chastity.This is the Natural law because it comes from one greater than ourselves, our creator. If u doubt the existence of a creator just look at the mircles attributed to the intercession of the saints after they died.
    Sadly it seems that the leaders of the gay community lead their members into only believing in the body and not the spirit.

    1. Says who, Ronnie? And don’t say ‘Jesus’ because he doesn’t. And neither does god actually. The Bible does NOT condemn loving, adult, consensual same sex relationships. How dare you think that straight love is worth more than gay love? And how dare you presume to pass comment on LGBT people’s spirituality.
      I used to be a Christian but I haven’t been for years – why? Obviously one reason was that I realised it wasn’t true, but another MAJOR reason was that I was absolutely sick to the back teeth of these hateful, ignorant lies that are NOT anything to do with god but EVERYTHING to do with human spite, insecurity and the wish to hold power.

      1. Wim in Holland 12 May 2011, 8:19pm

        Thank you, Iris, for your clear post. I do agree fully.

      2. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 9:39am

        But that is all religious people like Ronnie do, they assume they know.
        Truth is they know nothing, how can they?
        It’s not like they actually have gotten to know anybody from this community is it.

    2. I feel sorry for you, Ronnie. While you have every right to your own spirituality, your assertive and authoritative comments about other people’s lives aren’t particularly nice.

      Let’s remember that not everyone is the same! If you’re straight, or believe in a creator, or believe what the Bible might have said, whatever it is, you’re not ‘better’ or ‘more right’ than anyone else and certainly will not get far in life by thinking such. Many people don’t believe in a creator like yourself and still have a perfectly happy, truthful, rewarding, selfless, all-loving life. :)

    3. Ronnie, you argue from a premise of so called “Natural Law”, but do not comment on Uganda’s Gay execution debate?
      .
      Ronnie, when you failure to comment on murder, you reveal your disturbing lack of humanity.
      .
      Ronnie, why do you believe that Jesus would not speak out against the univeral sufferage of LGBT people.

      1. JohnK, Firstly I do condemn all murder and violence againast all glbt people. Iam coming to understand the feelings of threat/harm which the proposed ugandan law is imposing on the universal psyche of glbt peoples. and u are right to condemn such. now I don’t speak for Jesus, the Holy Spirit does thru the Catholic Church. And the Church quite plainly does condemn all forms of aggresion, violence and marginisation of glbt persons. check out the cathecism of the church and u will see this. But I came to this website to engage in a peaceful way with glbt people, whom I believe are just as good as me if not better in most cases. Anyway gotta go to my A A meeting now. Please accept my apologies for any hurt I may have caused.

        1. “the Holy Spirit does thru the Catholic Church”

          What, because someone told you this is so? And you believe this? Really? You really think an organisation that burned people as witches and covered up child abuse is the mouth-piece of choice for god? LOL!

    4. Ronnie, what abject, superstitious, unsubstantiated rubbish you wrote, you and others like you need to be led back to an appreciation of reality and evidenced facts before you do yourself and others any more harm.

      1. I was referring to your first post, however your second post also bears little resemblance to reality, the Pope preaches against equality legislation and describes homosexuality as intrinnsically evil at every opportunity, this coming from a person with his wide influence is seriously aggressive and it does without doubt result in violence and discrimination against lgbt people and obviously marginisation.
        Herr Joseph Ratzinger may style himself as Pope Benedict but many, including myself, regard him as a criminal with no moral authority at all.

    5. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 9:34am

      Ronnie
      There is no excuse for dicrimination no matter how you want to butter it up.
      Religion is a choice.
      Religious lifestyle including bigotry is a choice.
      Although I was planned I did not have any say on how I was born.
      I am Gay and this is how I was born.
      Who are you to question natural law? surely that is just your opinion but hardly fact.
      But at the end of the day you choose to follow texts written by over inflated male egos than discriminate against all others
      There are those of us that don’t and we lead Very happy lives, thinking and doing for others and ourselves.
      I suspect that is the true nature of the problem you face, seeing other living perfectly happily without a discriminating book to tell them how they should live and discriminate.

      1. Jock, the term “natural law” is only used when people don’t know what they are talking about. There is no such thing as “natural law”:- By very definition, if it exists, it is natural, and nothing exists that is not “natural”.

        If you want to take the uneducated religious standpoint, the fact that the erudite Ronnie here is using a computer is also “un-natural”, but of course he won’t understand the irony in that. When someone used the ridiculous term “natural law” as some kind of definitive proof of something, what they are really saying is “I say what is arbitrarily natural and what isn’t natural, as they aren’t quantifiable anyway, so I can validate being a bigot with a clear conscience”. “Natural” law is effectively a statement of ignorance.

    6. David Gervais 13 May 2011, 10:41am

      Ronnie, to put it in your terms: god has created gays (LGBT) people for his own reasons. They express god’s love in the way he meant them to. For you to put your opinion and interpretation of god’s will ahead of his is, in Catholic terms, the sin of pride.

  13. It’s AMAZING how DUMB a nation of people can be! Homosexuality is un-African, BUT Christianity is? The White man brought homosexuality to Africa, but Christianity fell from the sky. Do those people know how STUPID they sound? I would be ashamed to hear that Uganda has a university and worse still, a History Department, dwl!!!

    1. Just because you are on the internet calling Ugandan people dumb really illustrates how ignorant you are Putt.
      I heard the British Prime Minister wants to ban same sex kisses on UK television is David Cameron also dumb? Is the United Kingdom also uncivilized as well?

      The white gay community will not get support from other communities by promoting this kind of racism.

      Just because you are sitting behind a computer there is no excuse for your bigoted comments. The Ugandan situation is complex and if you knew anything about African cultures you would not make such immature comments.

      1. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 9:49am

        There is nothing mature about putting innocent people to death just to make a few bigots happy.
        The story you referred to about kissing is not only old news but was proved false which had you bothered to find out you would have known
        Your comment is ignorant.
        Putt’s comment may not be to your liking but it is still a very valid comment.

      2. I’m sorry Orville, you argument is flawed. Racism is the abuse of a group of people based on colour, nationality or ethnicity and is usually based solely on prejudice. This law is not some abortion concept, its quite real. To state that recrimination of Uganda and this bill is “racist” is utter nonsense. Other nations are quote right to condemn a country that effectively legalises killing of innocent people. It is not “racist” to do so. If it shames you to see Uganda supporting this vile legislation, well quite right, I would be ashamed too: – when Uganda starts acting civilised, then it can be called civilised.

        1. (“abortion” should read “arbitrary”)

  14. I am against the anti gay bill in Uganda because it is indeed abhorrent that gays and lesbians human rights are being violated. However, I think it is very problematic reading the racist comments on this blog calling Uganda backwards. Yes Uganda’s anti gay bill is wrong but the racism on this blog by bloggers is also wrong.
    I am so sick and tired of white people from the global north that think they are suddenly more advanced than people in the global south.
    There is a discourse here that presents Uganda as existing in an anterior time. The problem I have with western gay activists is
    I think western people need to become more educated and understand that in different parts of the world homosexuality is illegal. Is the United States backwards and uncivilized as well since gays encounter discrimination there? Is Croatia, Russia, Serbia also pre modern as well since gays encounter discrimination there?

    1. I think we understood that Homosexuality is illegal in Uganda Orville, it’s serves to illustrate how very backward this poorer less developed country really is and how far it will have to come to catch up to modern civilised standards where human rights are concerned.
      The country is backwards, I’m not sure why you would construe that factual statement as a racist comment.

    2. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 9:58am

      Why do people use racism only because they can’t give a solid argument.
      Prehaps you’d rather we just didn’t comment on a country threatening to murder innocent people like myself in the name of religion and just to make a few people feel better.
      That is Not a step forward Orville.
      That is Very much a step backwards weither you like it or not that is the feeling.
      Your obvious race statement is somewhat puzzling considering the situation and the fact you accuse others of racism.
      Anywhere where homosexuality is illegal is backward.
      Any discrimination is backward.
      You can hardly say it is the best humanity has to offer.

    3. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 10:01am

      I am a human being, my life should Never be up for debate.
      Just because I am Gay doesn’t make my life less significant than someone labelling themselves straight.
      My love for my partner is not less precious because he is a man.
      It seems humanity still has an awful lot to learn if it on one hand someone preaches life is so precious but happily take it away, in the other hand just to make some feel more comfortable and manly about themselves.
      Religion is the root to Evil and responsible for most of the problems in this world.
      You really should look at your own garden before trying to take control of others.
      You never know you might learn something positive.

    4. “I am so sick and tired of white people from the global north that think they are suddenly more advanced than people in the global south.”

      When Uganda starts acting civilised, then it can be called civilised. A government would not be putting forward this legislation if it wasn’t supported in some form by the people, so its a poor reflection on Uganda as a whole if the legalised killing of people who they “don’t like” is something they think they need in their society.

      Maybe lay off the histrionic accusations of “racism”, they do not apply here, and tell me exactly why you think a country that effectively promotes a 21st century Inquisition is somehow “civilised”?

    5. Orville, while I abhor racism, I don’t see how criticism of a country is racist. I also read your comment as assuming that everyone who comments here is white – they’re not, of course. The US and other countries DO receive a lot of criticism on PN and so do politicians in the UK, the majority of whom are white.
      It’s not racist to criticise the wrong actions of people who happen to be black. I don’t doubt for one moment that the criticism voiced here would be any different if they were white.

  15. ooer missus 13 May 2011, 10:36am

    Claims that the death penalty has been removed are a lie. There is a proposed amendment that replaces the penalty with the penalty in a defilement law. But that penalty is also death. So, it’s a clumsy attempt to hide it. See Warren Throckmorton blog for updates.

    1. David Gervais 13 May 2011, 10:50am

      Warren Throckmorton appear in a lot of places on the net. I think this the the link you meant.
      http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/10/14/uganda-the-other-shoe-drops/

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