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Civil partnership for gay Tory MP Nick Boles

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  1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 11:53am

    Congratulations to Nick Boles and Shay Meshulam.

  2. We’re still gonna get the tory bashers on here.

    1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 12:19pm

      Oh I know.
      Some just can’t stop themselves even when we have a happy event like this.
      :)

    2. Here’s one Yuk. Do you reckon his government would have legalised CP’s?

      1. Sister Maray Clarence 11 May 2011, 3:22pm

        Yes, they’d have had no choice just like Labour.

        It still staggers me that some people on here flounder with idea that the British government gets a choice with this type of legislation. They decide when not if, and the window they are provided to do so isn’t huge.

        1. I’m not sure Labour had to do anything…most countries don’t have any form of SS mariage/civil unions and that includes many European countries and if they do have it , it doesn’t have the same rights that go with a British CP, the UK didn’t have to give us the same rights as married couples , compare France!…so , the answer isn’t really yes, it’s more like not if they were the old cons …and maybe who know they might overtake labour and bring in marriage,,,but I’m still to be convinced…

      2. More Conservatives voted for Civil Partnerships than voted against, including Michael Howard. So, yes, Tories would of brought in CP.

        1. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2011, 11:54am

          Yes Luke a Very fair point.

  3. Glad for them and all the best.

  4. Wish them all the best.

  5. I’m wondering, not being from the UK and all, is a CP the same as a “marriage”? Do heteros get into CPs? And if they do, are they “husband and wife”? The reason I ask is that Elton John and his other half are always referred to as “Elton John and his husband” in the news here, and considering John’s comments at one point that he didn’t believe in marriage for gays, well.. it all sounds weird.

    anyway, thanks for any info.

    1. A civil partnership is not a marriage

      A heterosexual couple can not have a CP

      There are campaigns ongoing to bring equality to marriage bringing in same sex marriage – some politicians are supportive some are not …

      Some proposals include making civil marriage equal for same sex and heterosexual couples and making civil partnership equal to same sex and heterosexual couples

      Watch this space ….

  6. Here’s another one. How anyone can be gay and a Tory is ridiculous. Even LGBT issues aside they have a blatant disregard for equality issues, between the classes especially.

    1. You got that right!

      However, congratulations to him none the less.

    2. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 2:56pm

      I guess thats the beauti of each to there own and having our own thoughts and feelings.
      Life would be boring if we all had to think and do exactly the same things.
      You might feel anyone being Gay and a Tory is ridiculous but how can we expect things to change and be acceptable if we exclude ourselves.
      Of course there will be some Gay people who agree whole heartedly with what the Tories did in the past no matter how nasty but times have changed and now we have people actually being bothered to find out and know the LGBT community and with that comes a change in responsibility.
      The days of assuming how LGBT people are is finally coming to an end.
      Time to take us for who we are.
      That could only ever be achieved by Gay people being Tory, or Labour, or…
      Nothing more, nothing less.

      1. tories haven’t changed they just learn to keep their mouths shut. all except grayling its always there just below the surface

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 4:27pm

          I’m sure you’ll find thats just a thing that is expected of all working in certain public roles, James!
          True some feelings may be more apparent than others but at the end of the day the MPs are there to serve the public and homophobia doesn’t fit well with the majority of the public and they all know that from all the major parties.

          1. I see it as an advantage having gay Tories. It increases the likelihood that Tories, traditionally conservative on the issue of homosexuality, are exposed to gay people. This will help dispel those silly stereotypes and help Tory members, and supporters, to see that gay people live their lives like any other person in society.

            Still I don’t like the Tories for their capitalist leaning policies. I really think Labour and the LibDems both did have the right idea, but both of those parties executed it wrongly.

          2. Ok fine. you wait until they get rid off the equality laws

          3. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2011, 11:55am

            Ok then…………………………………………………………………………

          4. Jock S. Trap 16 May 2011, 12:00pm

            How long I gotta wait James!……………………?

    3. de Villiers 11 May 2011, 3:33pm

      Either every single gay person who considers themselves to be on the Right is ridiculous or your view is wrong.

    4. de Villiers 11 May 2011, 3:33pm

      > Here’s another one. How anyone can be gay and a Tory is ridiculous. Even LGBT issues aside they have a blatant disregard for equality issues, between the classes especially.
      .
      Either every single gay person who considers themselves to be on the Right is ridiculous or your view is wrong.

  7. and another , a token tory gay, that will keep the LBGT community happy til the next election. NOT

    1. If he was a Lib Dem or nu Labour would you call him token? You silly f–king tart. How predictable.

    2. I am not Conservative and don’t support many of the Tory politics, but its juvenile to suggest that being Conservative and homosexual is incompatible … thats like saying being Asian and Green is incompatible …. Ethnicity, sex, orientation, religion etc have resonance with how we make our political opinions but do not exclude us from them ….

      1. Abso-f//king-lutely Stu. Well said. Some people on here are still stuck with an 80′s mindset towards the Tories.

        1. It’s understandable why though. Did we forget about Section 28? We’ll see…

          1. I think British politics and their handling of equality is a bit more sophisticated now

      2. GO check the tory parties history on their gay voting record. Do you honestly think that a year in power , would change that history. NOT. Go sit amongst your tories friends and listern at how they speak about Gay people, and other minorties. The casual hate that spews from their lips. They do it with out realising. Discrimantion is their back bone.

        1. Jock S. Trap 12 May 2011, 11:47am

          Because this is what you have done?
          Or are you simply assuming?

        2. If I had ‘friends’ who spewed hatred from their lips as you suggest then they wouldn’t be friends jjkkll, don’t judge everyone else by YOUR standards.

          1. ok then BNP member celebrates civil partnership, if it was that head line would be sticking up for them?

          2. CMBY and this comment makes sense how?

          3. Jock S. Trap 12 May 2011, 2:44pm

            If was a BNP member celebrating it would still be up to them if it was a private matter or a more open affair but surely if it was the BNP it would mean progress, wouldn’t it?

          4. Some in here are willing to give credit to “progressive” Naazis… that says a lot about them…

          5. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2011, 11:56am

            Actually it’s says more about you.

  8. Congratulations to them.

    I’d like Pink News to contact his spokesman again and ask whether Nick Boles supports the rights of same sex partners to access to contract of civil marriage on the same basis as an opposite sex couple. Or does he think Civil Partnership apartheid is sufficient.

    If Boles supports marriage equality, then what is he doing to advance that cause.

    If Boles supports Civil Partnership Apartheid, then why on earth should any LGBT person ever vote for him again, if he believes they are 2nd class citizens.

    1. Apartheid – is all to do with racial segregation …

      It is a strong emotive word …

      Whilst I fully agree that same sex marriage should be fully equal – I do think that for those couples that choose it, civil partnership (be they gay or straight) should also be available …

      There is no segregation of the LGBT community in the UK, there are none of the horrific abuses that can be linked to the South African regime of apartheid. The use of such histrionics and emotive phrases is inflammatory and juvenile.

  9. Mikeyk, officially, NO it isn’t according to the Matrimonial Causes Act of 1973 which establishes that marriage is between a man and a woman. Many like to use the term “marriage” when referring to Civil Partnerships since they convey almost all of the rights of marriage, but in reality they are NOT marriages and not recognised anywhere in the world as such. NO, straight couples may NOT enter into a civil partnership either. Gays are treated very differently in our country, separate but “equal” apparently with a different set of laws even though CPs mimic civil marriage which is more about denial than anything else.

    1. de Villiers 11 May 2011, 3:31pm

      The MCA did no more than confirm the position at common law. It did not establish anything other than to make gay marriages void ab initio rather than voidable upon a court order.

  10. “…a “quiet” civil partnership ceremony”
    Aww bless the Tories, always so “discrete” … but they’ve just missed the best opportunity to show their core voters they really care about gay rights …

    1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 3:02pm

      And yet you speak of wanting Equalty yet deny people are different, Equally.
      Just as some people want a big wedding or a quiet ceremony, some people will want a quiet or big Civil Partnership.
      Yes I would be better if both ceremonies were Equal but this is ultimatelty is a personal choiuce and one they are entitled to.
      If they didn’t care about Gay rights they wouldn’t have had a Civil Partnership in the first place.

      1. They can’t have a CP because of the Tories. It’s thanks to Labour that they actually can. That’s the reason they’re not making a fuss about it. If CPs were a Tory achievement, they’d dance all over it.

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 4:24pm

          The reason they are not making a fuss is because they don’t have to. It’s called choice.
          You seem to have a problem with the concept of Equality and the Freedom of Choice that comes with it.
          Which begs the question, how can you demand Equality while clearly not allowing some to be Equal in thought or choice?

          1. Equality and Freedom of Choice is what the Tories should promote and most importantly, implement… keeping it a little dirt secret doesn’t help anyone’s cause…

          2. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 4:40pm

            There marriage is a personal matter not political.
            I have no doubt if they had been very public you would have slapped them down for doing so.
            With the likes of you there is no pleasing.
            Labour were voted out a year ago Beberts, get over it.

        2. here here

    2. Of course Beberts, they should have totally made a big hoopla over someone else’s private special day. WTF are you like? Perhaps they genuinely wanted to make it low key, though I guess for you they shoulda thrown the biggest humdinger of a party ever just to prove to you they are gay and tory. Sheesh you’re a f–king idiot. What was your take on the royal wedding two weeks ago? Were you one of the many on here screaming it should have been a private event and not paid for by the tax payer? Anyone in the public eye needs to be nigh on schizophrenic to try and please all sides of the LGBT community. Now beberts f–k off back to the ballot box and waste ANOTHER vote on the Lib Dems, not the tories fault you wasted a vote!

      1. Are you really suggesting a public Tory figure is just “someone else”, like Joe Pub and his pint of lager? You’re a joke. Gay civil rights are a matter of convenience for the Tories, not a matter of policy.

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 4:30pm

          When it comes to things concerning the heart then yes they are just like Everyone else.
          I find it odd you accuse others of being a joke you seem to grasp very little yourself.

          1. You should also play a violin next time. I can see crowds sobbing all over your sentimental concerns.

          2. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 4:41pm

            And thats your arguement is it Beberts?
            Seriously?
            LOL

    3. Would you have been happy if they had a big event… I don’t think so. Better they have the event they want then than trying to please h8rs like you.

      1. They’ve already had their “big event”… but for the Tories, it wasn’t “big enough” or let’s say, “Tory enough” for a PR opp … wonder why they’re trying so hard to sell the image of a gay friendly party when they miss such an oportunity…

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 4:36pm

          Oh ok I get where your coming from, you’ve been so used to so much twisted PR in the 13 years from the likes of the Labour government, you assume all others are like it too.
          Guess what? They ain’t.
          Also do try to get over the fact Labour are Soooo last year and with Eds Miliballs in charge are unlikely to see themselves in power anytime in the future.
          Boy you must be disappointed.

        2. And of they had some big ‘do’ you’d be on here saying it was all a big PR stunt, you’re a moron Beberts.

          1. Blame the Tories mate. They’re the only ones to blame for their own situation. Remember just three little tiny years ago, they were all more than willing to deny us any civil rights. Go figure.
            Gay Tories —> duhhhh

      2. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 4:30pm

        Exactly Dave!

    4. Beberts

      You sad sad person, trying to attack on political grounds at a time of someones personal happiness

      Enough, not feeding the trolls – goes to look for ducks ….

      1. FYI, the very subject of gay unions, whatever shape they take, is highly politically charged. There are no ways of denying that. Go join Jock with the sentimentalism stuff. Don’t forget to bring your own violin. Jock is already bringing one.

        1. Jock S. Trap 12 May 2011, 11:50am

          Hello, yes..ok

          I have a call for Beberts.
          The present is asking if you wish to join us?

        2. I’m sure Jock and I will have a much more enjoyable time with our violins, share some hob nobs and reflect on the joys of human relationships – rather than the bitterness and segregation you seem to endure Beberts …

          1. Enjoy your little dream while it lasts darling. Once you wake up, you’ll realise the homophobic nightmare of the Tories.

          2. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2011, 10:30am

            …and stuck in 1981.
            Gimme 2011 anyday.

          3. Anyone stuck in 1981 is stil 30 years ahead of the Tories and their supporters.

          4. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2011, 11:58am

            Well if you cared to join us you see it’s actually Very different.
            It’s not as bitter as you feel, thats for sure.

          5. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2011, 11:59am

            My I advise you get used to the fact Labour lost and will probably be out of power for a long time, esp while the Eds are at the top.
            Get that sorted and things may change.

  11. Helen Wilson 11 May 2011, 4:02pm

    I think events like this should be above political tribalism. I wish them every happiness.

    1. Here Here!

    2. You said it Helen, Nick Boles and his partner are damned either way with some people on here. Shame it has to result in a mud flinging session.

    3. Well said, Helen.

    4. Very true, let me endorse that sentiment as well!

  12. Congratulations to them both – hope they are very happy together

  13. James Incer 11 May 2011, 6:19pm

    Congratulations to them. Hope they have a long, happy life together :-)

  14. Regardless of his political affiliations, its great to see more high profile CP’s. The more they are in the public eye, the more high profile they are, hopefully the more people see them as part of every day life.

  15. There are many heterosexual couples who have a civil marriage in a “quiet” manner, some with no guests but two witnesses while the registrar conducts the ceremony. I see no problem with gay couples doing the same. My partner and I wouldn’t want a big affair if we could marry. We’d prefer a low key wedding day. What does it matter and why should it if any couple gay or straight choose not to broadcast their marriage, its a matter of choice and preference and that should be respected. What is important is the couples’ happiness and I wish Mr. Boles and his partner the very best.

    Civil marriage and partnerships should be available to everyone and interchangeable in a modern, dynamic UK in my view. Something to be celebrated no matter the orientation. I hope the Tory party which I didn’t vote for will make it a reality this year. This will be one important piece of legislation not mandated by the EU for once.

  16. Grantham & Stamford*

  17. lin Bailey 20 Jul 2011, 9:46pm

    Hi Nick,
    I saw you on Newsnight on Monday, you were great great great. Keep it up, flaw the hypocrites , dont let them get away with all their drivel. You are the only one I have seen fight for the coalition with such force. Well done x 100000000

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