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Foreign secretary William Hague says Britain is lobbying Uganda over anti-gay bill

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  1. Mumbo Jumbo 10 May 2011, 6:55pm

    Please sign the international petition:

    http://www.avaaz.org/en/uganda_stop_homophobia_petition/

  2. Helen Wilson 10 May 2011, 6:58pm

    UK International development aid should be withdrawn, no ifs, no buts, just cut the cash Hague.

    1. Isn’t Uganda in the Commonwealth. I expect their immediate expulsion also if this Bill passes.

      1. Dan Filson 10 May 2011, 8:33pm

        They wouldn’t feel that loss – it’s money that talks

    2. The problem with that is that it would then be the poorest people that suffered

      I think it is one of the few really effective pieces of weaponry in our diplomatic toolbox, but I would be cautious about withdrawing all aid as some people in Uganda depend on it

      I do think we need to do more on the International stage – maybe at the UN and make this a more dynamic message than it currently is

  3. If Uganda passes this Bill, then I want confirmation from Hague that British aid to Uganda will cease (except to NGO’s which have clear human rights policies). This bill is so grotesque, it demands action, not merely disappointment and condemnation.
    If Uganda has the money to waste persecuting gay people, then the government is openly declaring that it has no need for foreign aid.

    1. Dan Filson 10 May 2011, 8:34pm

      Hear Hear!

    2. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 8:29am

      Good comment David, especially when it suggests that this Bill to divert attention away from the countries current problems of rising food and fuel prices, you know like the rest of us.
      Luckily we don’t seek to distract by publising such a grostesque Bill.

  4. and the churches’(catholic and anglican) reaction to this is?????

    I thought the reason Gaddafi was being bombed was for killing his own people and killing your own people becuase they are gay is different??

  5. Martin Ssempa and David Bahati need to be stopped before they need to be charged for crimes against humanity, it will be too late then.

  6. What is Archbishop Rowan Williams doing about the holocaust conditions that are developing in Uganda for gay people?
    Still sitting on the fence?

    1. Dan Filson 10 May 2011, 8:35pm

      I expect Dr. Williams is trying very hard to urge the church there to do its best, but things are not helped by so many in the church there being intransigently homophobic on the basis of their unwise biblical interpretations.

    2. To be fair, give credit where credits due. Bishop Christopher Senyonjo is actually voicing his opposition to this bill and is actually an LGBT rights activist. And Archbishop Williams may sit on the fence on many occasions he has always spoken about showing respect for all people, including LGBT people.

      1. but williams has also supported and encouraged the homophobes as he has no principles and is a coward

    3. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 8:33am

      Indeed the lack of comments from this countries religious leaders is deafening.
      It is clear that any comment of condemnation now will have to be forced, as per usual.
      As for the creepy Archbishop of Canterbury, shame on him for not speaking out and acting on this.
      He clearly thinks more of his reputation than those human lives at threat.
      Or maybe deep down he agrees with it all.

      1. @Chester, completely unsubstantiated.
        @Jock S. Trap, he has made clear his opposition to this bill. The fact is even the Anglican church in Uganda opposes this bill, admittedly they also want to try and “heal” gay people. But thats a far cry from wanting to kill them. You have to try and look at it from Dr Williams point of view where gay marriage is concerned, as a deeply religious man it does make clear in the bible gay is a big no no. Has he accepted that message no, give them time they will come around, even if it does take them hundreds of years more than the average person! I’m sorry but the CofE is far more forward thinking than my own Catholic church.

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 11:33am

          Yet people Chose to follow texts written by over inflated male egos and hold that as more important to how people are born.
          The Anglian Chrurch may well oppose Killing people for how we are born but what about the imprisonment?
          Killing of society? We are society it is religion that is killing society not the LGBT community.
          If religious leaders want to be seen as human they need to be visibly and strongly condemning this action in Uganda.
          My life Isn’t up for debate let alone if I should be put to death or not.
          People like Dr Williams don’t want to give the LGBT community marriage Equality because they only want to pigeon-hole up into labelled groups that suggest we cannot love.
          It’s barbaric, it’s inhumane to suggest one persons love is only valid, more worthy if it is with the opposite sex.
          Religion is it’s own worst enemy and probably the biggest killer in this world.

        2. Rowan used to be a liberal but now he supports the homophobes like when he was against same-sex couples adopting even though he had a gay priest who’d adopted a kid the system had failed in Rowan’s circle! all rowan cares about is avoiding the church tearing itself apart and now he’s encouraging the homophobes in their homophobia! the bible doesn’t make it clear as the books mistranslated etc

          1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 12:01pm

            Indeed Chester.
            It always amazes me that some of these religious people would rather see a child miserable and quite possibly left in a situation of abuse than give to a safe, secure, loving home that just happens to be with a same sex couple.
            It’s yet another case of the Religion not seeing the Irony of it’s comments and being.

        3. actually, NO, it does not “make clear in the Bible gay is a big no no. There is absolutely NOTHING in the bible regarding homosexuality.
          I wish people would stop allowing religious leaders to get away with these outright lies.
          There are contradictions and abominations in the Bible. But there is NOT ONE WORD about “homosexuality” anywhere in it.
          And the New Testament has even LESS to say about human sexuality.

          1. Absoutely right, Mikey! I’m glad I’m not the only one who gets annoyed at that! The Bible does NOT condemn adult, consensual same sex relationships. It makes comments about temple sex; about sex slaves/pimping, but to then insist that that means ‘gay=bad’ is beyond stupid. It’d be like me saying that the proscription againt adultery means that straight=bad.

            As for Uganda, I do wish the UK would actually DO something a bit more decisive. ‘Lobbying’ doesn’t impress me that much.

        4. Daniel wrote “it does make clear in the bible gay is a big no no”
          I don’t think so Daniel, there is no clear condemnation of homosexuality at all in the Bible, some people have erroneously placed a very dubious anti-gay interpretation on some text whether by mistake or design. It can be argued that nothing in the Bible refers to relationships between consenting adult same sex couples.
          Not Leviticus – the oft quoted ref comes from an incomplete text requiring insertions to make any sense, not Romans, it’s about sacred Pagan temple worship rituals it is not about homosexuals but a rival older religion, nor are the fables about Sodom and Gomorrah about homosexuality
          Anyone with such an amazing intellectual ability as Rowan Williams is touted to have would know this is so..

          1. ..yet he sticks to the ‘correct’ script, it seems. I wonder why. Is he afraid to rock the boat? Does he think that if he said that being gay was OK, he’d lose his power and influence?
            I never know if people like Williams know what’s right, but just don’t like to say, or if they’re as misinformed as many others.

        5. Well Iris , as the church has persecuted gay people for so long it and pushed this lie about the Bible condemning homosexuality that it is now very difficult for them to make a U turn and admit they were and are doing a great wrong to gay people, they chose the homophobic path long ago and seem determined to stick to it even though Rowan Williams would be 100% aware of what the church is doing and how it is ruining gay people’s lives. He’s too craven to rock the boat that much, hopefully he will go down with the whoile corrupt Anglican ship eventually.

          1. Good point about the history of religious anti-gay views, Pavlos. So they’d rather persist with an untruth than admit they were wrong. I suppose that, having made such a song and dance about gay people recently, that makes it even harder to backtrack. Even so, it doesn’t seem exactly Christian to go on promoting a view that’s wrong.
            I also wonder if they have to have an enemy, a campaign, to give the church importance in this modern world, and to keep their faces and views to the fore as much as possible – ie if it wasn’t us, it’d be someone else.
            Of course, a similar thing could be said of politics in Uganda…

  7. Lobbying and petitions?
    Are we planning on doing anything useful at some point?
    A few letters and policy changes won’t do a thing to help.
    Fiver says we don’t ‘liberate’ Uganda.

    1. Dan Filson 10 May 2011, 8:37pm

      There’s no question of any land invasion. I just hope there is no humanitarian no-fly-zone bombing

    2. Unless the situation changes drastically there is no call for military action lol

  8. There’s no place for the state in the bedrooms of a nation!

  9. Paddyswurds 11 May 2011, 12:04am

    ………
    .Until comprehensive education is made a cheif criteria to nreceive aid this will continue in these countries that have for all intents and purposes been invaded by American Evangalists preachers, who make no effort to educate except to indoctrinate with their vile Abrahamic fiction.

    1. Stop switching the blame to the American churches.

      The Ugandan government and the majority of the Ugandan people are entirely responsible for the atmosphere of genocidal homophobia in that failed country.

      The churhes contributed to the atmosphere but the responsibility is entirely Uganda’s.

      1. Absolutely the politicians and government of Uganda are the people to blame, but they are fed and financed and manipulated by the extreme elements of certain American evangelical churches and Bible schools

  10. This whole issue just beggars belief. I have no doubt at all that they will NOT pass the death sentence on gay people. So what then? Are we to sit back and believe we have been successful if they pass legislation that only imprisons some poor gay person rather than execute them?

    The Anglican Churches really do need to get some balls on this and realize that the African churches are doing real damage to gay people. This will soon become to haunt them in the same way as the ignoring of child abuse has made the Catholic Church look impotent, reactionary and downright evil.

    1. They will be mistreated, beaten, raped and given little or no medical attention during their long prison sentences … many will die there anyway, the result will be the same.
      And for what? consensual sex.

  11. Last time I checked they haven’t discovered any major oil field in Uganda yet, otherwise Bill Rogue would’ve already sent a few troops to “save” the ugandan queens by now…

    1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 8:36am

      Somehow I doubt they would be bothered even if there was oil.
      The LGBT community don’t seem to matter as much as straight people or religion.

      1. You must be really naive, if you believe we wage wars on “humanitarian” grounds…

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 3:05pm

          Erm, crazy says what now?
          Think you need to re-read the comment.

      2. Even the Vatican doesn’t function without its own Central Bank, go figure…
        The ugandan queens can cry their eyes out and turn to dust. William Rogue doesn’t give a fc*uk about them.

  12. Well done Mumbo Jumbo, was about to put the Avaaz petition on myself. As of 11th May 8am, 1,026,000, yes over a million have signed!! Cut and paste his link below and send to all you know! Thanks!

  13. …actually Mumbo Jumbos link is top of this list ^^^^^ See top posting.

  14. 100,032,000+ votes when I just looked, so they have passed the initial aim of 1 million signatures and are now aiming at 1.5 million signatures.

  15. Jock S. Trap 11 May 2011, 8:24am

    Good to see the government is lobbying, they need to be visible over this.
    Executing a human being because of the way they were born is a crime against humanity.
    So, if passed, would this genocide be ignored by the world? Will they just sit by and pretend it isn’t happening?

  16. I agree with Helen Wilson and Dan Filson, Just cut the cash Hague.

  17. If Uganda pass the bill,cut the cash,expel their ambassador and kick Uganda,out of the Commonwealth.

    The gay mps,fromall political parties are very quiet on this issue,shame on all of them.

    Time for action,and not rhetoric.

  18. Even if this Bill does not pass (or if it passes without the death penalty attached), from this day forward I expect aid to Uganda to be conditional on the full decriminalisation of homosexuality.

    The failed state of Uganda does not deserve a penny in aid while these ghastly laws are on the books.

  19. Stop interfearing on other countries Business! What they do or how they run THEIR country is of NO concernof us.

    1. It is of every concern of every right minding person how people are treated humanely wherever they be – otherwise we would be happy to see chemical weapons used by Gaddafi etc etc

      But then you wouldn’t be a right minded person I suspect, James

    2. Look the other way you mean James.

    3. Jock S. Trap 12 May 2011, 10:10am

      As long as we pay aid to that country the way they treat society is every bit our business.
      Even if we didn’t, surely humanity has a duty to stop genocide.
      Or do you support the murdering of innocent people?

  20. I agree entirely with James and hope that logic will be given a chance to prevail in this debate. Homosexuality is a criminal act punishable by imprisonment according to the penal code of the Republic of Uganda. Can anyone provide any evidence of an individual that has been imprisoned on account of their sexuality? Can anyone provide any evidence of harassment, torture and violence towards gays? Are there any cases that have been brought before the courts of law against gays in Uganda? I stand to be corrected, but the most outspoken activists fly in and out of Uganda regularly to seek funding for their activities without any harm coming to them so can the situation be as bad as some would want us to believe? Is anyone thinking about the increase of Ugandan asylum seekers falsely claiming to be gay in order to enter or remain in the UK? And for Berberts info. oil was discovered in Uganda and production is expected to start in 2013

  21. If this bill passes, no more aid. Simple as that – I am too tired of reading about how GLBTQ people are de-humanisted, denigrated and slain to worry about being PC any more. If the bill passes, withdraw any and all aid or development funding.

    And Rowan needs to be told that people like him can either be part of the solution, or part of the problem. Silence is not an acceptable response.

  22. I also agree with James.
    This is Uganda’s choice of how it wants to goven its country and the law that it wants to pass. It is no one elses business.

    We have to learn to keep out of other countries business.

    1. Well if that’s so Joy, I guess you’ll agree we should stop the financial aid too and stop handing the aid budget over to extremist evangelical religionists to dispense so that they can proselytise and spread their dangerous and mad anti-gay hate in 3rd World countries, and spread their silly abstinence theories while blocking distribution of condoms etc in a countries fighting an epidemic that is sexually transmitted.

    2. Jock S. Trap 12 May 2011, 11:59am

      So Joy, do you support the killing of innocent people just because of how we are born?
      Should we really be Thanking fate for us being born in the West?
      Surely it is up to humanity to save lives not murder those just because of bigotry.
      Uganda’s choice has everything to do with Every human living on this planet.
      Religion kills enough innocent people are you really suggesting we should stay of out it and allow a country to add more to that list?
      I don’t think so.
      Whenever there is debate on the LGBT community it affects every LGBT person on the planet weither we be in a safe area or not.
      My life is NOT up for debate and NEVER should be.

  23. AVAAZ! May 12th 10. 1,500,000 MILLION! Well done everyone..but lets keep going! In 3 days, time runs out for the bill to pass in the Ugandian parliament, and the bill will be gone forever!

  24. AVAAZ! May 12th 10.52am. 1,500,000 MILLION! Well done everyone..but lets keep going! In 3 days, time runs out for the bill to pass in the Ugandian parliament, and the bill will be gone forever!

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