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  1. “he then tried to cover up what he had done by deleting tweets and asking a witness not to give evidence against him.”

    Spineless coward, obviously unable to face up to what he did or show any remorse.

    1. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 8:49am

      Yes funny isn’t it how this person went out of their way to make another life miserable and halted because of their sexual orientation but hates the thought of having his own life made miserable.

  2. Gay Hosting 20 Apr 2011, 6:26pm

    Yes, this is fantastic news from a very tragic case. These idiots need to be made to pay for what they did.

    How would they have felt had it happened to them?

    I think this deserves a term behind bars at least… Perhaps then they (and others) can reflect on what its like to wreck others lives..

    I cannot imagine the pit of despair this young man must have been in when he jumped… That blood is on their hands.

    1. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 8:52am

      I personally think he should spend the rest of his life behind bars and be visibly used to show other this behaviour cannot be toleranted.

      1. I personally disagree. Don’t get me wrong, I would say this guy did horrible things, crossed the line and as a result someone is dead. But for him to spend the rest of his life behind bars for, fair to say a horrible act but for something he did not intend to cause death and for something he probably regrets (I hope).

        1. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 11:31am

          Blondie.

          In your mind what did he intend?

          1. When you put it like that, admittedly I don’t know what he intended and possibly he did mean for his death but I would like to think that has a low possibility.

            He might of intended alot of things, for a laugh, to “expose” and “punish” the “sinner”, to make himself feel better about his own insecurities, to make the guy feel like an outcast to possibly get him to leave so he doesn’t have a gay roommate. There are alot of unexcusable explanations though I wouldn’t say they deserve a life in prison (except for if he did intend to cause his death).

          2. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 4:08pm

            Blondie

            He may not have intended to be responsible for this innocent young mans death but he must known his actions who have had serious consequences, he must have know what he was doing was going to harm. His mind must have been filled with hate when did what he did, it was intended to punish and now a young innocent man with a bright future has been denied a life. All because of this persons actions.

            I strongly suspect he knew what he was doing, chose to use a vunerable man and now will probably expect everyone to pat him on the back as some victim.

            The most this person can hope for is people forgetting what he did. Having to think about his actions may be a consequence but at least he’s alife to think it. Tyler Clementi on the other hand…

          3. “he must known his actions who have had serious consequences” What makes you think he must know? there’s people commenting here that don’t believe it caused that much harm after the suicide let alone without the guy knowing he would cause a suicide. There are many people who don’t understand the emotional pain that can follow bullying and such, some think its just a joke and then there’s alot who just don’t see it because the person can hide how much it affects them so well, isn’t it often the way that someone commits suicide but then people say they didn’t see it happening becuase they appeared happy.
            Maybe I’m wrong and if I am, I hope he does go down for a long time but I still think there’s a strong chance he didn’t mean to cause nearly as much pain.

          4. darkmoonman 27 Apr 2011, 8:12pm

            At the very least, he’s guilty of manslaughter. To my mind setting it up, videoing the incident, and then broadcasting it on the internet proves Ravi’s intent. That would make him guilty of murder.

        2. I think he showed his lack of regret and remorse by trying to cover up what he’d done. His actions in deleting online messages and asking someone to lie for him shows a complete disregard for his actions. Intent is therefore clear. Murder 2nd degree would be appropriate here.

          1. Not neccessarily, I would say it shows he’s cowardly and not willing to admit to what he’s down but he might feel guilt over it.

        3. Whether he intended Clementi to kill himself or not isn’t the issue. The fact is Ravi’s action prompted the death, and could definitely fall under involuntary manslaughter. The courts will have decide that. Doing cursory Google searches, it appears that the recommended sentence for Involuntary Manslaughter in NJ is 15 years.

          1. 15 years isn’t the rest of his life

  3. Though i am gay, i do not totally believe either side in this case since the are both politiking over it. Bringing 15 charges against the students involved is overkill and some one wants to get re elected…. and here is a way to garner votes in New Jersey. It is very unfortunate that the kid who killed himself had such a low self esteem that death was his only way out but not lowly enough to jump off a bridge in a lot of publicity. Pills are a lot less painful. Bottom line, invasion of privacy, yes but manslaughter or similar charges… Bull… let them spend the money on the budget deficits..

    1. “Bringing 15 charges against the students involved is overkill ”

      Is causing the death of another innocent person through cruelty and persecution for fun, “overkill” in your opinion?

      1. He chose to kill himself, no-one forced him into it and no-one made the descicion for him.
        No-one can make you do anyhting you don’t want to, in this case all it takes is strength and a little backbone.
        The kid that jumped was a coward plain and simple.

        1. No-one can make you do anyhting you don’t want to

          You must either be living in some parallel universe or have no imagination whatever. You certainly seem to unaquainted with the concept of bullying – how lucky for you.

        2. Anon, and Ravi decided to commit all the crimes he did, which is why he is being prosecuted. And apologies if not everyone in the world has your ‘lion strength of courage’ or a backbone as ‘strong as a US marine’. (LOL) The kid was probably depressed, confused, hurt, isolated, ashamed, couldn’t see any other way out. But not a coward. I could never jump of a bridge because I’d be too afraid.
          btw, to be a decent human being all it takes is understanding and compassion. Something you don’t have much of. Plain and simple.

        3. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 9:02am

          “He chose to kill himself, no-one forced him into it and no-one made the descicion for him.”

          What a heartless comment. Desperation is what pushed this innocent young adult to the limit and to end his life. Unless you have experienced that level of fear and desperation what would you know what he felt.

          In a strange way it actually take guts to take your own like, there is nothing cowardly about it but it sadly took away another innocent life who felt he had no other choice.

          Lets hope you never have to find out for yourself.

        4. @ Anon. Your comment is so overwhelmingly lacking in compassion but full of ignorance, it does not deserve a response on a civilised level. I can see why you “anon”, no one with any credence would put a name to that vile comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.

        5. @anon

          Your comment is not only vile and insensitive, but reveals your extraordinary lack of humanity.

        6. Ciaran McHale 21 Apr 2011, 11:56am

          Hmmm… How about this slight rewording.

          “He chose to post his comment as anon, no-one forced him into it and no-one made the descicion for him.
          No-one can make you do anyhting you don’t want to, in this case all it takes is strength and a little backbone.
          The kid that posted anon was a coward plain and simple.”

          Anon, do you agree with the above slight rephrasing?

    2. What a vile comment. From someone who clearly who has no feelings for human life. Just like the guy who filmed the video in the first place. ‘Pills are a lot less painful’ …… ‘low self esteem……but not low enough to jump off a bridge in publicity’ ….. ‘let them spend the money on the budget’.
      Go and try and find some compassion before you start thinking about the US deficit. And maybe you should get in touch with your government and ask them to stop spending so much on bombs and wars if you’re that worried about how much in debt you are in.

      1. Well said, Eddy!

      2. Homosexuals are underhuman, so its normal to dislike them.

        1. Katie Murphy Ex cath family 21 Apr 2011, 5:45am

          what hole in the ground did you crawl out of?

          You are the real proof that we evolved from the animals and in your case you didnt quite make it.

          or are you simply sitting their beating your meat while you think of hte word “gay”

          1. Paddyswurds 21 Apr 2011, 6:09pm

            @Katie Murphy…
            ….”You are the real proof that we evolved from the animals and in your case you didnt quite make it” You do the baser animals a diservice, Katie…..No animal could possibly be as vile as that piece of filth with his vile Abrahamic fictional book.

        2. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 9:05am

          Rich, Yawn – Yes, yes, what a pity, never mind.

          Funny how religious people always bang on about the value of life unless of course your Gay.

          Nothing but Evil hypocrites.

          1. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 9:06am

            Then of course with religious people suicide is considered a sin, yet happy to put others to it.

        3. Rich wrote

          “Homosexuals are underhuman, so its normal to dislike them.”

          Rich

          In what way are homosexuals “underhuman”

          What do you dislike about homosexuals

          Why do you think its normal to dislike homosexuals

        4. David Myers 10 May 2011, 1:55am

          Please don’t feed this poisonous troll!

        5. From under which stone did you crawl?

          Please, go back there and stop posting your venomous evil twisted musings here.

    3. Another poster with a friend – never heard such rubbish, quite obvioulsy this person who posted is not LGBT. The way to look at this is simply in terms of the law. The victim has not committed any crime, he was over the age of consent, and both suicide and homosexuality ceased to be illegal long ago. The perpetrator has very clearly and very plainly, and with a number of witnesses committed a number of crimes. It’s a no brainer this man is guilty in his sin and should spend a very long time in gaol as the criminal he is.

    4. Sister Maray Clarence 20 Apr 2011, 8:13pm

      “that death was his only way out but not lowly enough to jump off a bridge in a lot of publicity.”

      Jesus Christ, do you really imagine that is what seriously goes through anyone’s head when they genuinely intent to take their own life?

      The information coming out now suggests more that this wasn’t a juvenile prank that went seriously wrong, but has considerably more to it.

      Maybe we should let justice take its course before damning the victim as a self-serving publicity to the end

      1. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 9:09am

        Indeed

        This was a young adult push to his limit with fear and desperation. Many of us I’m sure know that feeling but in one so young the level of desperation is unthinkable.

    5. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 8:57am

      I question anyone who comes to a Gay News site and starts “Though I am gay”?

      This vile creep gets what he what he deserved now I just hope they lock him up for life.

  4. Paddyswurds 20 Apr 2011, 7:18pm

    Another as*hole who needs to spend the rest of his natural in prison. By the time he dies he will know all about being “queer” when he’s taken as some thugs bitch every night for the next 30 or 40 years.

    1. dracaonianism ftw!
      Just be angry at what the TV tells you to, life’s easier that way isn’t it.

      1. Maybe read a book from time to time, Anon, rather then being educated by the god channel. That’s for fools.

      2. “dracaonianism ftw!”

        anon, I think there is nothing more draconain then religous types like your self, who continue to display an astonishing lack of humanity.

        1. I’m not religious and i’m gay.
          Do you even know what draconianism is?
          Probably not.

          1. @anon you are a religious bigot and it is most certainly unlikely that you are gay. Now please…kindly troll off!

  5. I hope they hang him out to dry. Furtively taping a room mate having sex is just twisted, the fallout from it is tragic.

  6. I do think the guy that did this deserves jail time, and should have the book thrown at him. I would be embarrassed to the extreme if I was taped having sex and it got shown to everyone I went to uni with. However, I do think his choice to kill himself must have had underlying factors. I can’t imagine that being taped having sex is enough to push you to take your own life? It’s a bit of an overreaction (at least in my opinion). The defense lawyers are going to pick this guy’s life apart and try to make out that he had a whole host of mental issues, and play down the part this taping actually had in his decision to commit suicide.

    I feel very sorry for his family, this is going to get very messy and very personal.

    1. Chris – you might consider suicide an “over reaction” to having your privacy violated in this way – this young man obviously felt that the level of humiliation he’d suffered was more than he could bear. It doesn’t need pre-existing mental health issues to push someone to the point of suicide. This wasn’t an “over reaction” it was tragedy that a young person felt this was his only option. It’s a shame that he didn’t feel he had anyone to talk to. He was the victim of an incredible degree of bullying and hatred – nothing else. The people who drove him to this should be held held to account to show that homophobia is a hate crime.

    2. The “egg shell skull” rule has been a legal doctrine for a long time. The ruling is, in essence, that when a crime is committed, the accused must take their victim as they find them. It does not matter if, out of 100 people, 99 would not have been pushed to end their life, it only matters that 1 did.

      I wonder if a defence lawyer would serve their client well by trying to character assassinate the victim. It does not make for an understanding jury.

      As for those in this thread questioning whether the accused should be on trial – look up and understand what the “grand jury” actually is, what it means and how the system works. I don’t have time or inclination to type it up, but they seem to have found sufficient cause for the charges.

    3. Looks pretty clear and simple to me – to gaol for a very long time, many precedants set.

  7. I am pround of Dharun Ravi: he opened up homosexuality of his roomate perfectly! He will be remembered for his courage!

    1. Buy a dildo it will help your frustration

      1. Or a book.

        1. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 10:24am

          Being that he clearly talks out of his arse a dildo might actually shut him up.

    2. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

    3. Paddyswurds 21 Apr 2011, 10:19am

      if i write the Full four letters of naz! or sh!t, Pink News will block the post maybe even block me for a few days, yet they allow this creep to write the unbelieveable cr*p he does…..can someone point the reasoning behind that, because it completely escapes me. And don’t give me the usual free speech thing it just won’t wash in this instance.
      This as*hole calls himself christian ffs…….

    4. @Rich,

      Your comments which are not only ill-informed, shameless and insensitive, but they also point to some thing rather sub-human about you.

    5. did you see this guys other comment? why is he allowed to post here?

  8. This guy should have a Gay lawyer defending him. Then maybe he will come to having a little respect for the gay community. I do feel he should have the charge of murder against him being he obviously knew what he was doing.

    1. yeah obviously, the unbiased objective reporting of pinknews proves it, right?

      1. No, hopefully the court case proves it, but then that’s not going to be that hard is it? Considering it’s plain for everyone to see that he is guilty.

        1. Guilty of what? A practical joke?
          A practical joke with unfortunate consequences but it’s going to be difficult to pin him with any major charges.

          1. The prosecution will have access to all of the posts he made via his social network accounts, youtube etc. even the deleted posts will have been provided by Twitter and/or FB, they will also have his computer, access to his email accounts and his institute email account. Not to mention building up a character profile which will include any acts of intimidation and/or bullying – from what I have read, convicting him of most charges will be a breeze for an average prosecution lawyer.

            The filming of the victim and the release of the video into the public domain was pre-meditated and done with malicious intent in order to punish and cause the victim maximum humiliation. If a person punches a person and that victim then falls and hits their head on the curb and dies it is manslaughter. In this instance the premeditated ridicule and abject humiliation was the ‘punch’ that caused this poor lads death. So manslaughter is appropriate in this case.

          2. …It is also likely that in addition to the charges relating directly to the death of the victim he will be charged with crimes of a sexual nature, including but not limited to making and distributing illegal pornography…

  9. When the Tyler Clementi suicide hit the news it was disturbing how malicious his room mates intentions were. The saddest fact was that he was just days into university., a gifted musician and student well known in his home community. No one interviewed appeared to know he was gay, not friends or family.

    His room mate spy cam’d him learned of sex with a male… tweeted or talked about it on line. Then both the accused apparently cam’d him a second time and streamed it joking or narrating that he was at it with a man again. Afterwards the student told Tony about filming him and it was talk on campus.

    If the aforementioned facts are true and he was outed in such a vile and humiliating way it should be no surprise to anyone his humiliation and why he imagined his world crashing around him, his public humiliation on campus or reaction from family and friends.

    Sadly both the accused are using the defense of a joke gone wrong, the law rightly will teach them otherwise.

    1. David Myers 10 May 2011, 2:02am

      One can only hope . . . .

  10. Katie Murphy Ex cath family 21 Apr 2011, 5:43am

    Chairman Steve Goldstein said: “……, for their potential bullies will now think harder before demolishing another student’s life.” end quote

    I know Rabbi Goldstein and separately I was perplexed over whether the kid(s) should get a real jail sentence.

    but now i realize the key is that you just have to send a message. Mess up a gay kid and drive him to suicide and to hell with you.

    The real question is how do we bring to justice the catholic hierarchy and the insane evangelicals who bear full repsonsibility for Tyler Clementis death.

    Remember that hitler if caught would have been hanged even though he didn’t kill anyone himself in WWII. His words killed 55 million.

    and the German pope is showing how his early lessons growing up in hitlers gemany poisoned his mind.

    Time he gets what he deserves, filthy murderous pig hiding behind “protect life, just like his mentor “protected life”

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/SIZAM.htm

    Just reverse the captial letters to get around the censor

  11. Katie Murphy Ex cath family 21 Apr 2011, 5:50am

    I’m one of those str8 people who support gay people and their right to be treated like eveyrone else in society.

    But I’m 70 yrs old and have a really thick skin for hate. Been a few times some anal orifice said I must be gay.

    My response to him was twofold……..

    First, “I wish I was gay”. You should have seen the look on the phobes face. it was priceless.

    The second part – I offered to f#@k him in the ass in the middle of Durpont circle on world wide TV. And I would – it would be so funny.

    And the phobes resposne was to jump up and run like crazy. Amost got hit by a bus.

    You cant quite win them all but you can try to improve society.

  12. Katie Murphy Ex cath family 21 Apr 2011, 5:52am

    Dupont circle in Washington DC is the heart of DCs gayborhood. FYI

    there woud have been a thousand gals and guys cheering me on.

    1. dave wainwright 21 Apr 2011, 7:20am

      am cheering you on from Plymouth in england just reading what you get up to over there , more power to your elbow as we say here xxx

  13. Spoilt college boy throw away his oppourtunities on some immature prank. He’ll be so popular in prison With
    Men who never really had a chance

  14. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 8:48am

    Good. Lets hope this Evil person is facing a life behind bars.

    Spineless Bar… sorry coward.

  15. I’m glad to see te family’s change of heart in this.

    Last month I’m sure they said they wanted him punished but not too harshly. Now hearing all the evidence the lack of remorse and trying to cover his own ass they want him punished swiftly.

    As for the guy saying nobody made him jump that isn’t the point. The point is when you do something in life you must be aware of the consequences of your actions. The accused should o thought of what his actions might do to someone.

    Personally I think it is sick and disgusting to do that to someone and he should get the book thrown at him.

  16. I think the usual typical over-reaction by both the authorities and the people on here just shows how out of touch everyone is.

    Did you not play hijinks when you were at college or Uni at 18? Dammit, they are still big kids.

    This was a prank that got completely out of hand and ended in the tragic death of a student, but it wasn’t the first, and surely won’t be the last.

    To quote a certain book, (and I’m no Christian), “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” – When I think back to some of the stupid and even downright dangerous things I have done in my youth, I think it grossly unfair that people hurl comments like “Lock him up for life”.
    Everyone is entitled to make mistakes, even when they are as unfortunate as this one.

    This wasn’t done out of some malicious homophobia, but just as a lark. I am sure the kid who did it had no idea of the repercussions of his actions and would have never have done it had they known the outcome.

    1. This wasn’t done out of some malicious homophobia, but just as a lark.

      How can you be sure of that, Spanner?

      ‘It is alleged that online messages posted by Mr Ravi suggested he was not happy about having a gay roommate.’

    2. You sir are the biggest cnut on earth. Even rabid homophones wouldn’t deny this was a malicious act to cause distress. Only a few people could bounce back from such humiliation. And they’d probally have already come out. You apologise for these idiots I know you’re not gay. You’re celibate with a boyfriend of over 10 years but in commments before you state that you can’t wait till you’re man comes home for a shag. If you’re gonna lie you better hav a good memory pussyface

      1. James! You are making this crap up as you go along!
        As all postings remain on here, could you please post the links where I stated I “wait for a shag”?
        If you can find a post genuinely written by me that states that, I will donate £100 to the charity of your choice.
        If you can’t, fcuk off and stop sh|t stirring.

    3. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 4:12pm

      “This wasn’t done out of some malicious homophobia”

      I think you’ll find it was Exactly that. The idiot responsible may not have intended it to kill but knew it would harm.

    4. Spanner wrote

      ““This wasn’t done out of some malicious homophobia”
      .
      Spanner, can you join the 21st centry and stop living in the 1950s, forgoodness sake.

  17. Some think this was “typical over-reaction” to throw the book at Ravi. I don’t. If we are serious about ending the number of gay teenage suicides caused by homophobic bullying, we must get across the message that “it was only a joke” “just banter” “I never intended to hurt him” won’t wash. People must accept responsibility for their actions and consider what consequences might flow from them.

  18. Thank God, it is about time they started accusing people for hate crimes, keep it up and do what you have to do to make it a hate crime if you are the victim. We all have rights, fight for them.

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