This is looking good. Gives me hope that maybe one day, I’ll be able to hold my partner’s hand whilst we’re out on the street without someone finding it so unbearably distasteful that they have to shout obscenities at me.
The whole point is to prove that we are not sex addicts. Hence why throwing gay the couple out was “un-called for.”
This is just becoming more noise than anything relevant. Again the gay mafia is using this event to over-sexualize us, control us, and to exert its corporate power over us.
Jock I think we’ve all realised that Paddy has more aliases than that canoe guy who faked his own death for the insurance. Paddy is pathetic- he makes a sweeping statement under his own name then posts under other names to back himself up.
But then you are welcome to post links to pictures showing that later when the pub opens.
But for now there pictures being placed on the windows showing gay men in very overt sexual positions that would otherwise undermine any message you want to convey, I mean YOU are shooting yourself in the foot by justifying this stupidity.
sorry, don’t live in London so ubable to post links. i am not sure how you know that the men in the photos in question are gay but i’ll take your word for it. . as for shooting myself in the foot, well, all i have said is i don’t find the photos pornographic (or rather no more than say a very famous poster of a tennis player scratching her bum from the 70′s). I have yet to express an opinion on the event itself.
The problem is not the pictures themselves, according to the discussion of the issue, its the fact that they are being used at a demo that was caused by a gay couple who got thrown out because supposedly they were “over the top”
I mean am I (and a few others here) the only one that sees this a self-defeatist or more bluntly ironic?
Pepa, judging from your avatar picture, you need to go and do some chakra meditation and chill out. There is no ‘gay mafia’ trying to over sexualize anyone, or control anyone or exert it’s corporate power. It’s just about equality. That’s all.
Judging from your comment, you seem to avoid the premise of my comment.
The point is not my avatar, the point is these gay men are protesting by placing pornographic pictures on the windows. This is how low, and un-intellectual we have become. The gay community is being pushed over the cliff and one day you are all going to regret letting the gay mafia taking advantage of us.
BTW, I have that avatar because I am a spiritual gay man, and I am way beyond superficial meaningless perverted sex (which exists to make certain people money). Sex is about intimacy and love (something most of us forgot) and you instead use it to intimidate others like a weapon (as in the pics), and that is just plain stupid and ignorant.
what do you mean ‘we’? how do you know the images were put up by more than one person?
the main problem with Friday’s kissin was the attempt by Socialist Worker loons to hijack it, as evidenced by all the placards relating to Libya, the Cuts, the BNP etc etc all over the street.
Actually I found the ‘smash the BNP’. placard over the pub was grossly offensive – typiucal SWP childishness. Note to SWP: stay out of LGBT politics, especially in the East End. The vast majority of the LGBT population there are sickened by you.
“There is no ‘gay mafia’”
Yes there is. In an Advocate article years ago certain rich gay activists came forward and said that they were the real gay mafia (their words). After some research, these members have particular influence in the political ruling class, banking institutions, and big corporations. But the biggest area they have control over (and fund it) is the gay media. Where through the premise of being gay, they tell the gay masses what to believe in, who to vote for, who to hate, how to think (ie abortion is good, we are the new black, democrats/labor good, big government good, promiscuous sex good, hiv not that bad, strip searches and groping by airport security good etc etc).
The Advocate did not publish this article online as it was years ago. It was a cover story: “the real gay mafia.”
You can order the back issue from them, but for some reason they WILL NOT have publish it on their website.
A cached image of said cover is on google images as well, just so you wont think that I made this whole thing up. Yes, they said who was really “the gay mafia.”
@rehan….
….it may have been published in the US but it was for worldwide perusal and there were a preponderance of high profile British gays listed so it very much did apply to the British Gay Mafia. I remember the article very well. Being old and decrepit that is…..lol
I agree pepa that it uis not helpful to post “pornographic” pictures over the pub, there is always one idiot who goes too far and spoils a protest. I hope someone else took the pictures down otherwise before long the pub owners will begin to look like poor little victims, telephone harrassment and posting “pornographic” images (if they were) gives them ammunition they’ll no doubt try to use in their defence.
I would like to see the pub landlord & lady done for breaking the law after discriminating against this couple, humiliating them and spoiling their first date together.
Actually I have to laugh about the comments about these pictures. Ok they were a little risky, shall we say, but compared to resent protests by large numbers at least the Landlord and lady didn’t have their pub doors smashed in, windows broken, pub ransacked and fires burning outside.
Pictures really are no big deal. We mustn’t forget not all the kissing was from Gays or Lesbians, there were Straight couples showing sympathy by joining in.
Kissing should be celebrated not mocked and hidden away. Maybe more love in this city would help decrease the crime.
This is what I don’t get. You go after me for posting porn pics that protesters place on the windows of that bar, now you say they were a little “risky.” Well, the whole point why the couple were booted from the bar was because they were supposedly engaged in “risky” behavior, and you seem to validate risky behavior, which then of course, is degrading any claims that the couple had they were only engaged in “innocent” behavior.
“at least the Landlord and lady didn’t have their pub doors smashed in, windows broken, pub ransacked and fires burning outside.”
Sure we don’t want to act like animals, thanks for that reassurance.
“Pictures really are no big deal.”
In that case, kiddy porn shouldn’t be a big deal. Violent pictures mean nothing. And I bet that a court of law would also agree with you and say that pictures mean nothing and are therefore not admissible as evidence.
“Kissing should be celebrated not mocked and hidden away.”
Agreed. Would therefore condemn the porn pictures that mocked our sexuality?
You are the one protesting, yet I am the one that needs to “lighten up?”
Okay.
And no this is not about PDAs… my premise is WHY use pictures cut from gay porn mags to intimidate people while protesting that they kicked out a gay couple for being “over the top?”
Still you don’t get it, and you still avoid THAT premise and spin this about me and my so called “prudeness.” I always try and keep an open mind, unlike you shutting people up, telling me stay quite, etc. I guess in a sense, your ignorance shows who really is “prude” on this thread.
Bottom line I tried to reason this out, but the more I try to the more absurd it is turning out to be. (and a waste, as your comment is basically the same reactionary blank statement of denial).
@Pepa….
…..Don’t waste your time. There is a clique of commentators, or they may actually be just one person, on these threads and abuse is their modus operandi. They do not have the intellectual capacity to reason or carry on intelligent debate. There is, rarely, the odd glimmer of hope but it is usually extinguished as the thread matures by the inevitible Godwins Law.
@Zed….
…….exactly how did risque pics advance the argument with regard to the perceived homophobic incident that supposedly took place on Wednesday night?.
….
….yes that seems to be the order of the day hereabouts. Standing still or in a lot of cases going backward. Thats how we won the few gay rights we have all right. Grow up ffs.
Hi Maria, I hope that one day you’ll be able to hold your partners hand where ever you like without anyone being bothered by it, or at least to do it any way and not be bothered by what other people may think.
My partner and I took this story at face-value. That is – that two guys on their first date were kicked out of a pub for kissing. It seemed unjust, so when it was suggested that a peaceful kiss-in was being organised – we thought we would support it. Heading down to Soho, we joined the large crowd that had gathered outside the venue
And it was a good event, the only thing that spoilt it for us was when some people tried to hi-jack the event. They were deliberately trying to block the traffic and refused to move even when i tried to help clear a route for the veichle to get through. Shame really as it went against the nature of the event. Other than that it was good.
I guess we live and learn. Next time those organising the event need to be easier to identify, and have some volunteer stewards to help them manage things better. If it was up to me, I’d shorten the event – make it a half hour zap, then there would be less chance of the event being hijacked in the way that this event was – saying that, I think those who tried to hijack the event scored an own goal because their actions appear to have alienated a whole load of people. Hopefully they will think about their tactics too, afterall most of them and us want the same thing – an end to discrimination and equality for all.
i don’t know where the “hundreds” of protestors were. If there were 75 or 80 would be the maximum. Internet and television video would seem to indicate that what we all thought this was, was borne out by the evidence on the day. A small group of screaming queens intent on causing trouble and strife and as someone said testing the fringes of the Equalities Act. They will need deep pockets when the brewery sues them for loss of business and rightly so.
The equalities act does not define what is right, merely what is considered lawful. Essentially, unless you can prove what these two human beings were doing was, somehow, ‘wrong’, then your argument is merely the prissy fiddlings of an uptight conservative (by which I mean in attitude, not necessarily in politics). How facile to hide behind an act of parliament, the sole purpose of which is to ensure the freedom of any man or woman, provided they do not seek to curtail the freedom of another man or woman. You have no place to hide, nor any place to claim a footing for the higher ground; your evidence is meaningless fantasy, and your non-factual reportage (‘Screaming queens’, anyone?) is merely hyperbole and cliché rolled up together in mess of incoherent vitriol. Say something important or say nothing, for goodness sake.
@Maria….
….”Say something important or say nothing, for goodness sake.” how ao taking your own adve.This was as i said before an opportunist charade based on the actions of a couple of yobs who chose to carry on snogging when asked to stop. when asked again they again refused and started to loudly iterate that the management were being “homophobic” When they were forcibly ejested and their pride somewhat bruised they chose to blow it into a gay hate issue which it clearly wasn’t. Their lack of manners let them down and they chose to make a scene end of. the screaming queens on the edges of gay society then saw an opportunity for further mischief and went for it.If yu refuse to see that you are no better than the origional two yobs.
Paddyswurds: You’re obviously an illiterate moron and should bury your head in your daily delivery (as I’m sure you won’t be allowed out of your ‘home’) of the Daily Mail.
One might, in a calm and reasonable voice, ask what is ‘snogging’, and then, assuming one receives a coherent response, what is so ‘wrong’ about snogging. The answers would be most illuminating. Please don’t try to provide answers which also apply to ‘ceviche’, ‘tea before three o’clock’, ‘adding milk to earl grey’ or ‘having a go on a lady’s tits’. By which I mean that anything you consider to be strange, unusual, irritating, disturbing, perverted, sexy, unruly, wrong, nice, small, tasty, irresistible or, indeed, any other perception that is unique to you, is best kept to the individual that perceives it: yourself. What right do you have to force your own perceptions on others, even as a way of preventing them forcing their own perceptions on you? Are your perceptions somehow superior to the rest of humanity?
correct…. it’s just the minority of arseholes who become ‘gay rights’ fanatics all of a sudden and who also use the equality tactic as they have been bruised as you say paddyswurds…. hopefully they will grow up and one day realize that they are not as important and influential as they once thought……… talk about spitting dummies out equality is about giving and taking whether that be criticism or appraisals ffs! they were reportedly on their ‘first date’ and were full on kissing as well which speaks volumes to me regarding etiquette etc and by god i am certainly no prude!
What are you ranting about, Your comments above clearly are not related to this story at all, and are more related to your own personal hang-ups about sex and gay people in general.
Why have you ignored the fact that this pub has never kicked a straight couple out for kissing?
Why are you ignoring the fact that the police received several witness statements which indicated that the couple’s behaviour was not inappropriate.
I think you need to accept that you are a prude with unhealthy sexual hang-ups, That’sa the impression you are giving off loud and clear.
@davy.
. the reason there may never have been straights ejected for snogging may be in the fact that firstly it is a fcuking straight pub, and secondly maybe anyone who was asked to cool their ardour may not have caused a scene with the management as these two yobs did. And i am also not aprude of nor do i have sexual issues. I know when manners are required and have them to use as these two idiots clearly did not. Grow up ffs…..
That we’re actually human? Yes, because straight men and women never kiss on the first date (snog or not).
Gay rights fanatics? Arseholes? These arseholes have been there for years being physically and verbally abused just to ensure that people like you and the other knobends on this thread have the right to live in relative freedom.
Not to stereotype, but the two people in question don’t look like your typical yobs. Nor do they have the image of a screaming queen.
Quite frankly it’s not exactly beyond the boundaries of absurd to think, as a gay couple, that if you’re asked to stop kissing it’s because of your sexuality. Putting myself in their shoes, if it happened to me I would automatically think it was because of WHO I was kissing, not because I was kissing in the first place. And as such I would have deliberately carried on in protest. It is madness to seriously consider the possibility that the staff involved are broad minded individuals merely enforcing the same rule as they would to anyone. I just hope you’re playing devil’s advocate and are not so ignorant to see this for exactly what it is: Homophobia.
And if it isn’t, and was a true, legitimate, regularly enforced rule that comes as standard being a patron of this particular pub then refuting these claims would have been easy. But they haven’t.
@hris …
…they were ejected because they refused to desist and chose to confront the management. This is a straight pub and have every right to regulate the behaviour of its patrons. This is clearly not homophobia except in your simplistic opinion and reasoning..
I’ve responded to you on the earlier thread covering this story. I’m pretty well-acquainted with equality law; I sense that you know a thing or two about licensing law. First: without knowing more about what happened, I don’t feel competent to say whether or not the John Snow’s actiosn were discriminatory. Nevertheless, leaving that aside, for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010, it is irrelevant that the John Snow is a straight pub. Under that Act, they are obliged to treat gay and straight people equally. They can chuck them out for being loud, obnoxious, wearing jeans etc, but they can’t chuck them out for being gay. If they ejected the couple for behaviour that would not have resulted in ejection for a straight couple, they acted unlawfully.
You have implied that there is a get-out provision in the Licensing Act (presumably 2003). I am willing to be corrected (and to read relevant sections of any Act), but this would directly contradict the Equality Act 2010.
The rules of statutory construction dictate that, where a later Act of Parliament contradicts an earlier Act of Parliament, Parliament is to be taken as repealing the earlier, contradictory provision.
So we seem to have three possibilities here:
1 – The Licensing Act 2003 does not contain anything which contradicts the Equality Act 2010, in which case all establishments must treat gay and straight people equally;
2 – The Licensing Act 2003 contradicts the Equality Act 2010, in which case the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 prevail (so equal treatment is required);
3 – there is some provision in the Equality Act 2010, which I have overlooked, that gives landlords the right to discriminate against gay people in the provision of services.
Which is it? Or have I missed other options?
To reiterate, I write this without making any call on whether the acts of the John Snow were discrimintory.
You really are two faced. How easy you throw names about to others esp if the story is about a certain religious homophobia. There’s so much hate in this world but people like you would rather focus on two peoples happiness and affection.
@Rachel…
…why are you wilfully ignoring the fact that they were asked, reasonably, to cool their ardour on two occasions and then chose to confront the management and caused a scene. If straights have not been ejected for similar reasons it is quite possible that they did not confront the management and cause a scene. This has nothing whatever to do with Equality laws, only the Licenceing laws which say the landlord had every right to do what he done because of complaints. If these two cretins had done what they were asked in the first place, the ejection would never have happened. Those are the facts established by witness’s. Trying to construe it as a homophobic incident is be disingeneious in the extreme.
I’m struggling to see how your reply relates to my comments. I’m not wilfully ignoring anything. I have expressly said that, in light of the lack of detail, I’m undecided on whether this or not was a homophobic incident.
In fact, if you actually read my posts, you’ll see that all I’m doing is challenging your (apparent) contention that the Licensing Act renders anti-discrimination law irrelevant in this type of situation. I’ve given you the reasons why I believe you are wrong. My argument has nothing to do with the question of whether the John Snow acted unlawfully in this instance. Now – can you tell me why my legal analysis is wrong or not?
@mendrin…
…. “how on earth did you come to the assumption that they were ‘full-on’ bell-end.”
Where did say that ….?Don’t invent stuff i didn’t say a**hole…
Paddy…Rachel really does appear to have it right. Licensees/landlords do NOT have any special rights in respect of their facilities if they are attempting to exercise those rights in breach of other laws.
A landlord may no more declare his pub a smoking friendly zone, in defiance of laws relating to smoking or an age-exempt zone and sell alcohol to 12-year-olds as wilfully ignore the Equalities Act.
The latter requires that services be provided equally, irrespective of various protexcted characteristics, which inlcude orientation as well as gender and race.
If – tis a big if – the landlord would have ejected a couple of straight persons who were snogging, then it is possible that he might have a defence. Otherwise, this is an offence, purely and simply.
FFS…why can’t you people get it into your thick heads. They weren’t ejected because they were gay. they were rightly, thrown out cause they caused a scene and confronted the management.
The Equality Act states clearly that goods and services must be offered to all fairly regardless of sexuality. Yet these two agent provocateurs – who consistently ignored requests to stop snogging on licensed premises – weren’t denied goods or services. They were ejected for failing to respect the ruling of the landlord on kissing in the bar who is entirely within his rights to tell them to stop, just as much as he is within his rights to tell a straight couple to get a room (a homophobic link has STILL not been established here), and to tell people in general not to stand on tables or to keep the volume of their conversation down.
This cheap stunt by a minority of loud gay militants on high horses totally ridicules and derides ALL OF US. How dare they claim to speak for me or the other 1 million or so gay-identified people in the UK? We got the last laugh, however. The militant homosexual tends to be so jaw-droppingly ugly that most ended up without princes to kiss, just a few frogs!
@tony…
….did the 600 lose their way when going to the protest, because it didn’t look like there were more than 70 or 80 silly looking beings in various stages if undress present, and the only two kissing were a couple of disguised with face paint lesbians who were persuaded to move to the door after some cajoling and gave each other a quick peck before scurrying away again. The soft porn pasted on the windows only served to make the whole charade look like the down market stunt it always promised to be. A scruffy bitchy non event that only served to make a show of the GLB community and done no one any favours.
Finally your bitchy posting (couldn’t possibly call it a comment) above, in reply to William is an uneducated illiterate and intellectually bereft rant which only served to make YOU look a fool.
They were denied services – use of the premises is part of the pub’s service. The only question is whether the pub’s refusal to allow them to continue using its services were discriminatory.
equalities act aside I think the whole thing is a good stunt anyway…it really isn’t very acceptable to walk down the street hand in hand or kiss you partner outside a “gay” place…yet it’s perfectly acceptable for straight people to do this anywhere……I’m all for more open show of “gay” affection anywhere, why not….apart from gay pubs everywhere else seems to be straight pubs, straight museums,straight parks, straight theatres, straight shops etc….we can’t show our affection very easily at all without being frowned upon and that’s not good…..have never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing, holding hands etc… there’s huge difference still and this highlights it..
@john…..
…….”.have never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing, holding hands” Well perhaps when you grow up a bit more and your mammy allows you out more, you will see these things. In the real world straights are often told “get a room” when playing tonsil hockey in the street. I am pleased however to see that finally some of this silly element are admitting that the whole thing was a stunt. The sad thing though is that the entire GLB community will pay the price.
Thanks for that fatherly advice Paddyswurds but honestly I haven’t and mum let me out a long time ago..are you really saying that 2 men kissing have the same impact as 2 straights and that the reaction is the same , that’s very doubtful and it’s very doubtful that this story comes as any surprise. The greatest impact I had when I was coming out was when I saw 2 ordinary guys kissing (hopeless romantic I guess), the more stunts like this the better, it can only do gays more good than harm. Personally I still think it sounds like blatant discrimination , probably falls under the equality act, but then again I’m not a lawyer…
Paddy – time for a lesson seeing as yet again you are engaging in wilful ignorance (and possible stupidity\).
One of the most fundamental human rights in a democracy is the freedom of assembly and the freedom to protest.
This protest happened OUTSIDE the pub. Therefore the puib has no riight whatsoever to sue them for loss of earnings. Thejr right to free assembly and to protest far outweighs John SNow’s right to sell beer.
Are you being deliberately stupid? Or are you just wilfully ignorant?
‘davy…
……the sheer vacousness of you comment indicates that you are hardly qualified to hurl epithets of ignorance and stupidity at anyone.
If you are an indication of the calibre of the people involved in this stupid charade then i despair of further progress in the cause of GLB rights.
The fact that your only comments so far have cosiisted of abuse and vitriole is clear indication of the futility of your cause.
I am hugely ashamed that as a gay man i must be considered part of the same community as you. What a depressing thought.
“I am hugely ashamed that as a gay man i must be considered part of the same community as you.”
This is the standard response you have been using all day, to many posters, regardless of theitr comments (or was it William who said it? And are you the same person.)
The reason I am calling you stupid, repressed and prudish is based on your comments here.
Sex is beautiful Paddy. I know that you are an elderly Irish person and therefore, completely uncomfortable on the subject of sex, It’s never too late, Buy a sex toyu online and cheer up. Your bitterness is sad to witness.
david why do you keep brining in sex in to the equation??? you have done with me calling me a prude amongst other things which you discussed with maria (sad) we are stating our own points but don’t need to be questioned for anything other than what we are discussing on here….. please grow up….. i enjoy sex as much as the next person (and with men only) and it is stupid comments that the likes of you and the two guys obviously craving attention did wiating for more reactions are things that will never hjelp with the so called equality system in this country…… i have been out to both friends and family long enough to realize that we should have rights but lets not blow something out of proportion!
@davy…
….you are a liar sir. I have never used that line you quoted until this instance. Saying otherwise only goes to show the weakness of your argument. I am not any other poster and when I changed my tag several months ago I indicated the change clearly for several days as “Paddyswurds formerly Boston” I have no desire or need to change my tag as I have confidence in my ability to stand up to the less intellectually astute on these threads and i have no fear of abuse from those of clearly lesser ability than me.. Actually abuse only shows me that i am probably right most of the time…..
But Paddy – you do admit to being an elderly Irish person don’t you?
I think it may be a generational thing. People of your era tend to have more hang ups about sexuality and expressions of sexuality than the younger generations (obviously this is not a hard and fast rule, but in your case it certainly applies, seeing as how reports of gay men kissing enrage you so).
@davy….
…..how did you come to the conclusion that I was or am enraged by the idea of gay men kissing? I merely pointed out that a straight pub is not the place for overt displays of homosexuality and that the management only asked them to desist whereupon the two men in question chose to cause a scene. In what way do you construe that as me being enraged.
Your anti Irish assertions of how the irish regard the subject of sex is so uninformed that I now find you offensive. The Irish are probably the least oppressed or repressed in terms of sex than just about any other European country and I find it rich that an Englishman should consider it so.
England has the reputation throughout Europe as The most repressed in terms of sexuality than just about any country in the entire world except with the remote possiblity of Iran.
And that is , before you get off on another rant , not Irish anti English rhetoric… it is a worldwide view accepted even in England itself.
you keep calling people stupid and ignorant david you border on stirring hatred by vilifying people with these comments i am sure we could sit down and discuss this without calling people names……. well i could anyway…….
i don’t hate all dykes but the majority of them are loathsome……they cause the most trouble on the scene they always have…… there is a police presence on a weekend up where i live and it’s more to do with dykes glassing people and fighting amongst themselves than anybody else
why hang out on the gay scene???? i don’t ‘hang out’ on the gay scene i go meet my freinds and my ex every now and again… lucky if i go once a week to be honest anyway – why do you have to try and twist things – go to a straight bar??? i dj in a straight bar on a saturday night which has a few gay people working there by the way… funnily enough my granny taught me how to knit when i was a young lad……what do you do when you aren’t on here oh i forgot you must just sleep seeing as you are in the top 10 posters ……….i am quite happy with my life thank you very much i just hate drama …………..
Once I loved women, but it all went sour. They promise you things, then it all goes….. it’s like name-calling. Too much. If we could just sit down…. I think sometimes yj they’re all mocking me. Bloody fish women. Prudes? I’ll give you one for that.
Here’s a lesson for you, David: “One of the most fundamental human rights in a democracy is the freedom” of thought. No one should be able to take that away from you or reprogram you to think in a conformist, group-think way. Yet that’s exactly what political correctness is doing; it is forcing society to think one way to the point where minority interests trump the mainstream concensus, and woe betide anyone who steps out of line.
As last night’s ugly doorstep protest proved, the gay militants are trying to bully society into allowing gay people to behave with impunity. On our own scene we now have the right to spread HIV in licensed bareback clubs; now we want to force snogging into the visible mainstream without risk of rebuke. What next? Fisting on the Chanel counter at Selfridges to be made law next year?
The deranged extremists pushing these demands represent perhaps 1-3% of all gay people. It is time the rest of us stood up and told them NOT IN OUR NAME…
@tony…
….did the 600 lose their way when going to the protest, because it didn’t look like there were more than 70 or 80 silly looking beings in various stages if undress present, and the only two kissing were a couple of disguised with face paint lesbians who were persuaded to move to the door after some cajoling and gave each other a quick peck before scurrying away again. The soft porn pasted on the windows only served to make the whole charade look like the down market stunt it always promised to be. A scruffy bitchy non event that only served to make a show of the GLB community and done no one any favours.
Finally your bitchy posting (couldn’t possibly call it a comment) above, in reply to William is an uneducated illiterate and intellectually bereft rant which only served to make YOU look a fool.
“A small group of screaming queens intent on causing trouble and strife”
Erm really?
As opposed to the recent protests we have seen where people ‘causing trouble and strife’ has been to start fires, smash up property, disrupt innocent people shopping, banking. See I saw none of that.
The only people to blame for the lose of any earnings are those who run the pub. No-one else. Equality laws are here for a reason. They protect. If people want to get petty over a couple showing affection then more pity them but don’t expect others to not protest against it.
Shut the place down for all I care or at least give the place to people who don’t discriminate.
I don’t know if you were there Paddy but there were hundreds of people there, the area around the pub was packed with people. Some kissing, some taking photos and a lot of people watching what was going on. Don’t forget it was a three hour event, with people arriving throughout the evening including those who tried to change the nature of the kiss-in and turn it more into some sort of street protest. Even when we walked back through the area on our way home after a few drinks in the Kings Arms there were still quite a few people in the area. All in all it was a good event, and got some good media coverage.
‘One protester pinned a rainbow flag to the door frame of the pub, while others posted flyers of men in varying states of undress to the windows. Another man held a placard saying “I want to blow you all” in large letters with “(a small kiss)” written much smaller below.’ Posting flyers hmmm where did i hear that before POT KETTLE BLACK you should all be ashamed of your selves. Get a life FFS!
He could always join them, his penis clad in a rainbow of exciting lipstick shades and hope to get lucky. They do say that once you’ve got laid the world kind of settles out into shades of grey rather than this demented black and white he seems to be viewing it in.
Yes but eviidently – judging by his reactions – he thinks sex is bad, and should only happen in a marriage bed between a man and a woman both of whom are clad neck to toe in sackcloth (except for a hole cut out near the crotch area )where the man can mount the lady, missionary style, in the hope of impregnating her.
I do believe I win. Thank you for playing. If you ever want to enter the world of the grown-up boys, I’m sure someone on here can arrange to have your cherry popped for a favourable price. Much love; x.
Oh goodie – a gay man who hates lesbians! They’re my favourite type of bigot! I’m also partial to lesbians who hate gay men. Know any of those? Oops, asking the wrong person there, aren’t I?
win what????? why don’t you get a life and stop playing pathetic games then?????? and regarding popping my cherry – if i was a virgin what would be the matter with that anyway…. there is only one winner here and it’s not you or david by a long shot…… by the way were either of you at the protest
i think it was me. A skanky dyke grabbed me and before i could stop her she had stuck her toung half way down to my stomach. It tasted of rotten fish and now i am throwing up every few minutes you filthy pig. I am on the second bottle of listerene and the smell is still there. If i can find you i will do you for assault, dirty friggin dike.
@ Steve…..
….and don’t come home here till you are decontaminated. You promised you wouldn’t go to that charade. Ithink a visit to Bond St is in order. a nice Louis V man bag may just help to quell my anger…kissing dykes….. yeuwww !!
sorry hun, but i wasn’t really at the protest.Sum skank grabbed me as i was going to the Hotel. I really am sick and your no being helpful. xx see ye 2moro i hope
@steve…
….i hope thats the truth. Oh and you better not lose my iPad or you needn’t come back and don’t be using my accounts. you have your own. You wer on my MSN account too …Are you on something….
Indeed – the John Snow has NEVER thrown a straight couple out for kissing, despite it being a regular occurrence, Therefore they can expect ongoing protest for the moronic stupidity of their management staff.
I’ve seen plenty of people in there snogging with not so much as an eyelid batting. Most straight but some men too.
Newflash some people kiss on greeting. Some people may snog. I think there is far worse things worthy of such bitterness but seriously should this be one of them.
Love and friendship should be promoted, no matter who it is not stamped on.
Samuel Smiths – the Yorkshire based brewery who own the JOhn Snow – is clearly completely ouit of its depth when it comes to managing this controversy.
f they had the remotest intelligence or business acumen they would have done the following yesterday.
1,Issued an apology to the couple for the hypocritical and homophobic behaviour of the bar staff
2. Sacked the staff in question
3. Promise that it would not happen again.
Instead they have point blank refuised to comment and have shut the bar, giving the impression that they are backward hicks that probably should not be located in Soho.
I mean even if they had attended lesson number 1 in ‘PR for Dummies’ they’d know their current policy is a PR disaster for them.
Skengaleng, how else are we to know you but through your words? You’re a mysogenistic, anti-lesbian poorly-crafted wordsmith who can’t express himself adequately and thus resorts to infantile morality and juvenile jibes. There is little intelligence in your statements, and what intelligence there is is poorly matched by the intellect behind them. You assume, belittle and denigrate, and thus engender a position of intransigent certainty with no real foundation. Your certainty of your moral foundation is suspect simply because you constantly fail to defend it, choosing instead to attack the morality of others. I ask, as I have already done so twice tonight, why you are so certain that your moral grounds are correct. How do you know that what you believe is right is right? It’s a simple question, with no simple answer. Have a go – you seem simple, if you’ll forgive me for one last jibe.
I’ve strongly suspected you are also skengaleng. You ain’t fooling anybody. Your nothing but a fraud. I’m just wondering how many others being that you seem to love being nasty and stirring sh!t.
Why would I answer my own comment, cretin?
Stop putting words in other people’s mouths.
If youve got something to say, at least have the backbone to use your own name and not somebody elses.
I don’t know why this theme in particular summons the attack of the hateful homophobic troll/s. I guess someone is affected in a personal level and chose this media to vent his rage. Sadly the moderation is slow to act. I thought Britain had an anti hate crime law that could be used even for those internet trolls. It would be so nice to see the one around here facing some sobering reality at the justice.
I think the important thing here is to realise that people are entitled to find anything to be distasteful. I, for example, may be unduly distressed by those lacy toilet-roll covers one finds in guesthouses. I am allowed to be as distressed as I wish by them, to the point of apoplexy if need be. However – do I have the right to stop the landlady covering her toilet rolls? Do I even have the right to mention it? The first is a given no, the second is merely freedom of speech. She, thusly, has the right to tell me to get lost. Such is how logic and philosophy win the day, and why the grizzled old warhorses above can snuggle back into their cosy gay caves and lament us young folk ever daring to step out and declare our rights. Grandpappys: one day you’ll step out into a bright new day and tell your grandkids about the proud pioneers who made all this possible. Oh… wait: no grandkids. Why don’t you tell the rent boys you hire to fill the gaps, then? Ah – the moment of catharsis!
Hate has a relentless manner to consume the hater from inside. Love has a resilient manner to protect the lover from inside, too. That’s why haters have the war already lost, battle, after battle, after battle. Little by little, haters feel surrounded and boil in desperation crying out even louder for a support that can’t incite empathy. Logic can be a bitch, especially for the haters.
I guess Elton John’s son will have a wonderful story to tell their sons about how grandpa helped to fight for the equality of all. Ah, you gotta love technology when paired with human rights.
True people are entitled to find anything distasteful but one has to question if people thing two men kissing is them how do they feel about a 4 year old child being shot?
Why do people find anything to whinge about? Love, happiness, friends are not distasteful. They should be encouraged if only more people actually took their heads out of there asses to see the light, prehaps they could stop making everyone else as miserable as them.
Putting the word “Period!” in your comment does not make it correct, just makes you look like a petulant fool., If you know anything about the law you’d know that.
Please, write in English, Rich, I don’t speak your dialect of ‘Pigeon English for the retarded’
Like being on gay site do you? Get a thrill out of it, do you? All those dirty little thoughts that you have. Get to rub one off but think you’re standing up to “the queers”? Pathetic.
But do tell, did the doctors let you use a computer, or did you steal it form the other patients?
@Tony…
…. if you are going to preach about the English language, make sure your own efforts are faultless, Anthony, especially spelling.
‘Pigeon English for the retarded’ I was unaware that pigeons spoke English…however if you meant Pidgin you should have said so.
Jock S. Trap, you should see the laughable comments that twat left on the “aggressive new chlamydia strain” thread. Oh, mercy, the man is a complete moron! I’m still giggling at his stupidity. I would be mortified to show that level of idiocy in public.
Two people kissing is a beautiful thing it makes the world a better place be you gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor, 60 or 16, able bodied or disabled you can improve the world by showing some love not hate.
If you want to see something disturbing then goto into the seedy side of Soho tonight as its full of Manchester United and Manchester City football fans waiting to go through the doorways and up the stairs to visit the so called models!!!!! You wont see too much love in Soho tonight or tomorrow night thanks to the football yobs. You are more likely to get assaulted than kissed.
We don’t see people trying to stop the yobs from sexually exploiting women, no Stephen Green Christian Voice protest in Soho tonight. Yet two men on a first date dare to have a first kiss in public and the world falls apart.
Helen – “Two people kissing is a beautiful thing it makes the world a better place be you gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor, 60 or 16…”
What an over-generelisation and a perfect example of how PC is coercing society through force to all think one way. Yes, Helen, I agree 100% with you that two people kissing of any combination of sex is a truly wonderful, nay, beautiful thing. But you cannot force other people to agree with you. Some people find watching others kissing uncomfortable for whatever number of reasons, some psychological, some religious, whatever. We also need to respect their right to not be offended.
Of course people should have the right to greet and depart with a peck on the cheek, but not full-scale tonsil tickling if you please. The two pub lovebirds were so wrapped up in each other they were too selfish to consider the impact of their behaviour on everyone else in the pub, and ignored requests to stop.
@Tony…
…have you any intelligent comment to make on the story this thread is about? So far all you have done is hurl abuse and act as if you are still in junior school playground. You are clearly intellectually bereft.
We don’t respect people’s right not to be offended. No rights for hurt feelings, or more ludicrouslt religious beliefs. Whose feelings should count more than others? How do you decide that?
The bottom line: people are different. That’s why other people’s opinion on homosexuality of displays of affection between people of the same sex do not count. There are many ways of live ing a good life. Everybody needs afftection. And nobody is harmed by kissing.
By your logic, women should cover up and wear the burka, in case we offend a tiny minority of fundamentalist nutters. Where do you draw the line william,?
@anyone…
…actually i find the burka and insult to men in general, because the premis behind it is that any man catching sight of the woman inside it is liable to be inflamed by lust and would attempt to violate her. The very idea have you seen middle eastern women without the burka thingy. They are, for the most part, probably the ugliest women on the planet. Perhaps that is the real reason for their men insisting they wear it. Imagine having to look at those ugly frog mugs 24/7….
We had a gay couple in our local pub, were holding hands under the table, someone complained and the gay couple were asked to leave by the licensee, this was reported to the police and they attended the pub the following day. The licensee was informed that her actions in asking the gay couple to leave was against the law!
@P & M……
……..How has your little anecdote any relevance. You obviously haven’t been keeping up.
These two yobs were asked twice, after a customer had complained, to cool their ardour. They then confronted the management and played the “gay discrimination card” and caused scene and it is at that point they were asked to leave the “straight” pub as were the straight couple who joined their little charade. That is probably why the police haven’t told the management in this case that they done anything illegal because they clearly haven’t. Those are the clearly established facts in the case and are comfirmed by witness’s.
Blimey, you seem to have all the facts before the police. You made judgement and found guilty.
Yet what part of this couple do you summarise as ‘yobs’?
Why have you excluded the straight witnesses who have supported the couple?
How did they play the ‘Gay discrimination card’?
The list goes on…
Your pathetic. Discrimination is NOT acceptable. Just because your happy hiding and not being seen don’t assume everyone should follow suit. Personally, thank Gaga for ALL those who have the guts to stand up to hate.
It’s just ashame that those that have the guts also have to stand up to the hate within the Gay community to fight for our Freedoms. Without those brave people you certainly wouldn’t have your freedoms but then prehaps thats what your all about, keeping the LGBT community as second class citizens.
@Jock strap….
….”Yet what part of this couple do you summarise as ‘yobs’?” Jonathans left testicle and Jamies nose you ignorant moron….sheesh… the level of illiteracy on this thread is astounding. Where on earth did you go to school and why did they not teach you English?? I’d protest and possibly sue the Education Minister if i were you Jock. Maybe even get a spelling bee going. That should be fun except you would have to keep your clothes on.
If anything this has proven homophobia is alive and well in the uk and to all those living in a bubble with fingers firmly implanted to into ears should wake up and smell the coffee.
An example of a comment on the article about this event posted at the guardian.. whos readership is majority white and “liberal” -
“It is not illegal but is is disgusting. It is also disgusting that many people are revolted by this kind of behaviour but are made to feel somehow ashamed for admitting that they believe homosexuality to be aberrant. Live and let live should be symmetrical.”
there were many more comments like this although alot of them have been deleted thankfully. But the praise and agreement they were recieving actually turned my blood cold. We should make a point to kiss as much in public as possible, maybe even have a day in honour of it. If it makes some straight men “physically ill” then they need to see it happen over and over again until they accept it.
The UK is virulently homophobic , london especially increasingly so. Overt , violent homophobia has become increasingly acceptable and covert homophobia purported by the “phoney liberal” brigade is practically innate with that lot. I agree with your point of trying to desensitize bigots by displays of gay affection , but even looking at the comments left on this story , we have enemys within our own community who think we should not be affectionate in public. My fella and i went last night to soho to show support but we decided to kiss on the tube on the way, not anything too passionate for quintessintial , stereotypical , uptight english sensitivities. Anyhow there was either filty looks , mumblings of disapproval or was called “dirty chi chi men” by some trocalydyte. Anyone who thinks this ia a even tolerant city is a complete idiot.
Ooh musclelad23, a militant gay at just 23. And there was I thinking the sort of garbage you just spouted was the sort of ill-thought out insane intolerance uttered from a dying breed on 1980s revolutionaries. I’ll be sure to look out for you at the front of the next Pink Parade with your whistle, rainbow ribbons and sequinned disco pants.
So your attacking me for… what.. being 23 and actually caring about issues that effect my own community?
At pride you will probably find me scowling at how corporate and vacuous the whole affair is compared to the days of the 1970 – 80s revolutionaries and activists.. who if it wern’t for, I might just be locked up for sodomy or fired for being gay, or unable to have a civil partnership.
William doesn’t have one. He just repeats the same low brow uneducated nonsense time after time. Like a broken record. One that should be thrown out in lieu of some decent schooling.
@ Tony…..
…..hopefully a better school than the one you attended, eh? Oh, sorry you didn’t attend, you were hanging out at the local slot machine parlor selling blow jobs for a £1 a go or was it 50p?.
No wonder Jock play’s life’s eternal “Woe poor me” victim. He lives in an dreamworld where he imagines everyone snogging, holding hands and whispering sweep nothings is one anothers’ ears.
Reality check time: life’s not like that. It is made up of a kalaiedoscope of colours with various shades within those same colours and shades within those shades. Indeed it is THAT what makes life so wonderful – that we are all different and don’t conform to the same thought and belief systems. That we are all different and have our own thoughts, inclinations, likes, dislikes, etc., some good, some bad, but hey that’s life!
The real tragedy here is that there will always be extremists within any subset of society who want to inflict their ways and beliefs on the majority, be it the militant gay fringe or the radicalised wing of Islam. How ironic, and somewhat rich, that we have become undistinguishable from our own oppressors in that respect. Same sh*t, just a different hole.
And yet isn’t it funny that anyone who disagrees with you is branded as a “Woe poor me” victim. Then you want to lecture of differences.
We get it you’d rather see misery, a martyr to it. With misery comes misery I guess.
It’s so ironic that you brand others victims then use threads to say how hard done by you’ve been.
Trouble is staying in that closet is clearly shielding you from reality but then it’s not like your actually Gay is it, just pretending to be to ‘try and somehow connect’. You’ve failed. We see through you.
As for you, maybe if you brought your head out of your arse you’d see the light but then with you it’s more Same Sh!t, Same Asshole!
It’s like William discovered some piece of sh*te, daily mail opinion piece generator, clicked enter and then all the populist middle england diarrhea just spews forth. He’ll be going on about travellers next..
It’s getting confusing and pointless. It’s time for Pink News to stop multiple nicknames or at least route out the sh!t stirrers. It can’t be that difficult to do.
Agreed i’m sure i’ve had an imposter already , i can be emulated but never equalled , anyhow you know its me with the atrocious spelling/grammer, sorry for my dislexia i’m trying. otherwise sort it out pn …
“We should make a point to kiss as much in public as possible, maybe even have a day in honour of it. If it makes some straight men “physically ill” then they need to see it happen over and over again until they”
I agree, and if straight men are made to feel sick and disgusted, it’s their problem and not ours.
This is not about “Gay Rights”. If people are not comfortable with two men kissing, this is a problem for all men regardless of sexual orientation.
Maybe this is what it takes. Most having the guts to kiss in public to get the public to see that it just as normal. We can’t change things usless we stand up to it. Only then will people see this as ‘every day’ stuff Just like straight couples kissing.
My hubby and I have no problem kissing in public, nor any of my friends, including my straight ones so…
People won’t like this comparison, but I don’t care.
Alot of people were once “offended” by the sight of black people sitting at the front of the bus.
It took one brave woman, Rosa parks, to make a stand and say I am a human being, I have every right to sit here just like you do.
This isn’t about kissing or snogging in a “lewd” manner, they were having a soft kiss. So many people are saying “I CANT STAND ANY PUBLIC AFFECTION” as an excuse to mask there homophobia. The truth is when other straight people are at they dont even notice. something called straight privelage.
Let me be frank.. many gay people are terrified to even kiss there friends hello or hold hands if it’s the wrong area. I myself was chucked out of a taxi a few years ago for holding hands with another bloke. We need more people like these two. Kiss, hold hands, be dignified.. and show them that some people are gay – get the F*** over it.
I must admit over the years when I met my friends some of the straight ones kinda stepped back at first but over the years they just accept thats me, it’s not sexual it’s just a greeting. I’ve heard a few of em over the years when asked “Oh thats just Jock” and thats it. They accept that is me.
It amazes me that people who find such a friendly affectionate greeting as something threatening. personally I can think of much more threatening behaviour and kissing in public is hardly on of them.
Too many people get their assholes in a knot over the most stupidest of things.
To them I have this simple message:- Take a chill pill, Dude.
touche to u n jock , we need more gays with a backbone firstly, i’ve had quite a few homophobic incidents for just being in love. and it sux! but i will never stop doing what feels right at the right time , i know the boundaries of being obscene and being seen ,as would apply to straight couples also, but they do not get the same disgust or aggro as we do because ultimately we are a vulnerable , persecuted minority (i’m betting we have some looks like tarzon sounds like jane guys denying the obvious), not matter what anyone says.
I’m disgusted by the lack of support for this gay couple and lgbt equality on this forum. I could be on a thread for the BNP going by some of the self loathing , homophobic , uptight gays leaving comments, some actually calling the couple “yobs”.
Paddyswurds probably. One hand on his shrivelled inert elderly knob and the other on the ‘add comment’ button on this site, its like second guessing someone with dementia as to which name he’ll post something troll-esque under.
haha, i was thinking inverted knob though . I must have scarred him , i’m trying to bring him out of his closet again, but i guess i was too rough with him before, now he is running from me , poor little pu*sy
I agree. But we feed them, its always the usual culprits…especially Paddy.
But what really makes me laugh Paddy is the first to scream vacuously and incoherently ‘…racist fascist’ when there’s a debate about certain religious issues but when it comes to real LGBT rights he’s sounds like a some backward, far right, gay hating hick who thinks we should not be seen or heard outside of our ghettos’s.
I fully support the protest actions (and any on going) on the John Snow and think we should by default (sheer numbers) now turn it into a ‘gay pub’…!
Paddy is one of those sad individuals who thinks by prostrating himself to the whims of bigots he will somehow be redeemed in their eyes. Like William. If they can’t put up, they should shut up, and let real gay people continue to stand up for themselves.
to maria (the Shakespeare of today) – not everybody is interested in the eclectic style you write your replies – obviously you think you are something else and yes you are certainly that it is not a gift just somebody who uses a thesaurus and no i am not simple as you put it you seem to really enjoy name-calling people you sad woman and david stop posting stupid comments on here using my alias – re: skengaleng 7 hours ago Report Reply
Once I loved women, but it all went sour. They promise you things, then it all goes….. it’s like name-calling. Too much. If we could just sit down…. I think sometimes yj they’re all mocking me. Bloody fish women. Prudes? I’ll give you one for that.
check out the ip address pn as it certainly isn’t mine!
sad and bitter
and judging by the minds of these two poor creeps i shall no longer even bother with this news page
if you read the comment properly, you will realize that i never posted that you retard i re-posted what some sad loser wrote using my alias so get your facts right before making a fool of yourself sigh
This whole incident reminds me of the film “Rashamon” in as much as depending on your subjective viewpoint you can project any number of alternate interpretations onto it.
Scenario 1. Jonathon and Jamie were getting quite heavy, tongues were involved as well as lots of heavy petting. When asked to desist by the landlady (in essence a way of saying “get a room”) they upped the anti and were chucked out in a way that was consistant to the pubs policy on straight people getting overly intimate.
Scenario 2. Jonathon and Jamie were minding their own business, gave each other a fairly restrained peck on the lips/ cheek and were immediately confronted by a bolshy homophobe landlady who demanded they stop because Gary from Richmond complained (and Gary isn’t a big fan of the gays either). When they asserted their right to continue the landlady calls in the heavies and chucks them out for no good reason.
Scenario 3: Somewhere between scenario 1 and Scenario 2
…which is why I haven’t commented on this one much. I simply don’t have all the facts. Even the eyewitnesses can’t seem to agree on who the wrongdoers were.
And having been chucked out of a gay bar for applauding at the end of the wrong verse of a kareoke performance before now (something I wouldn’t have taken offence over if the roles were reversed), I know just how subjective this kind of stuff can be.
I only hope they taped the whole thing on the security cameras because I honestly don’t know who’s in the wrong here.
I think this pub was wrong – its in Soho for a start.. but I think we (gays) should choose our venues carefully if we want to do what straight couples do.
A few years ago we were with some straight friends in Nandos in Staines (we were visiting them and going to the movies!). There was a really young gay couple, maybe 17 yrs with some friends in Nandos snogging and being way over the top. We were both uncomfortable, (a) cos’ it was Staines, but also there were a lot of families in there. A family complained and a staff member went up and asked them to stop. Which they did (kind of). Half of me was incensed and wanted to ask them if they’d asked a straight couple to stop, other half understood completely.
The point I’m trying to make is most of us would use our judgment to what is a ‘safe’ and ‘appropriate’ environment and what isn’t. A family fast food restaurant in the outer suburbs = stupid, a boozer in heart of gay village Soho = exceptable.
I think you’re right, the location has some bearing on it for sure, but is the landlady just as prudish about straight people snogging?
And of course one person’s peck on the lips is another person’s tonsilectomy!
Personally I only feel comfortable publicly snogging my other half in a certified gay bar, maybe on Canal st, but I have seen straight couples late at night in Manchester’s Trafford Centre trying to acheive a full-on knee-trembler on the foodcourt upper balcony right in full view of the Saturday cinema crowd… naturally they were chucked out pretty quick!
I think there has to be a line in the sand somewhere…
@damien…
…..”heart of gay village Soho = exceptable.” exactly what does this mean?
It is simply unacceptable that the level of education coming out of our schools today should be allowed to continue, except of course that it is probable that a lot of the commentators on these threads simply were too thick to reach an acceptable level of proficiency.
@Paddy – you sound like a self-hater – they weren’t yobs etc either
It is excellent that there was a protest
There’s too many idiots about plus if you don’t like kisses then don’t look at it
Paddy is one of those sad individuals who thinks by prostrating himself to the whims of bigots he will somehow be redeemed in their eyes. Like William. If they can’t put up, they should shut up, and let real gay people continue to stand up for themselves.
@Tony…..
…… reposting rubbish verbatum only serves to make you look more idiotic than anyone thought possible.
@Chester..
What exactly is a self hater? I have been gay since i was 12 years old and been out since I was 17. I have had three long term gay relationships and one ongoing
Innumerable and ongoing long term liasons ie; men with whom i have “fun” without being in exclusive relationships, some of whom are married.
I am an educated successful gay man who attended Ivy league university in the USA. I have travelled to and visited 143 countries before I was 30.
I and have numerous gay and straight friends rangeing from late teens to late 90s. Homophobic? I don’t think so.
I started a computer business at 40 and am fully computer literate and am present on 3 social networks accessed daily.
On what level do you think your description of me is consistent with the preceding. I think a lifetimes experience makes me qualified to decide what is and what is not a yob.
What happened in your life to make you so hateful?
Ya’d think with all that in your life you would have been more open minded and learned from the pleasure of life and all it brings into a fullfilling 60+ years. Yet all you seem to do when you come here is spew such nasty bitterness. Attacking all who dare disagree with you. Not really like even those who do agree with you.
Not being funny but that doesn’t suggest a life of experiences, of learning what the world has to offer.
They say in order to love oneself you have to love yourself. Or at least like yourself.
All you do it hate. Everything, everyone so I have to conclude you must hate yourself.
There we have the answer of “What exactly is a self hater?”… Clealy you.
Paddy – did you support Apartheid in South Africa? If not why on why do you think that gays should only be ‘gay’ and do gay things in gay pubs/bars/establishments? and when I say ‘gay things’ I mean – kiss and be affectionate. You are basically saying – LGBGT people can only be accepted in their own areas!
@jock ta for getting my back, but look at my post up a bit, trust me anyone would know my personal style of writing, but pn should hurry up n sort out all the paddyswurds desperate to be us.
Please define “real” gay people.
You mean “real” as in left-wing, anti-tory, anti-establishment, Guardian-reading, Hush-puppy wearing socialist vegans?
Fcuk off. The only thing that defines us is what we do in bed, so quit with the “self-loathing” bollocks just because we don’t fit with your definition of what a faggot should be.
people who are trying to excuse the pub and defend someones right to be offended by gays forget that 20 odd years ago that right to be offended by gays would mean that somebody would be punched (and not just ask) and then thrown out on the street and to top it all ignored by the police. it is precisley why uk has Equality Act, so we dont have to look for signs asking no dogs and no gays, uk is lucky to have this much protection, we gays in other countries can only dream about that level of equality, dont listen to paddy or william they dont know a thing about what it means to be discriminated, selfserving opinonated loud queens, and i dont mean people protesting outside pub last night
I wish I’d been there to see it, I love to see petty rules and bigots forced to see what they are. Shame some of the posters here aren’t as troubled by others injustice though.
it all seems to me that gay community can only speak out loud when they feel safe, if you also read the news about 30-ish people attending the east london pride not long ago. shall i say it’s pathetic?
east london pride was marred by edl politics, so it wasnt just about homophobia, in this case we have blantat disregard for Equality Act, with owners hiding behind their right to eject anyone they wish and its about soho and what it means to gay people
suppose the bar owner is muslim (merely fictional as i know true muslims aren’t allowed to drink) and several people in the kiss protest are linked to edl, would there be so many people protesting or would there even be a protest at all? do you agree that it’s a way to block anti-homophobic protests?
it’s really laughable to believe in no scenario would muslims throw out gay men from whatever place they own. bars are no different from hotels, restaurants, supermarkets etc when the Equality Act takes effect. however, some people would rather blindly believe there’s no such situation, even if the british muslims act just worse than that bad pub owner.
ric, nobody is questioning landlords religious or ethnic background nor his grounds for finding kissing obscene, whats important here is whether he finds heterosexual kising equally obscene as gay kissing, and more importantly, the incident happend in hart of gay village, a place where you can feel free and safe and where you can be whoever or whatever you want to be, even if you happend to be in straight bar. that sense of feeling has been abused in the john snow pub. and if we can not feel free and safe in our area where can we. the protest sent out strong message that if you dont like our village you can F.OFF
A few points I’d like to make. Why did the publican et al not provide their names when asked by the gay couple. Afraid of legal action? Or just not honest about it to admit he was wrong and heavy handed. Obviously he didn’t take responsibility for his action or have the courage of his conviction to provide his name when asked. Not the conservative thing to do by any stretch. The man who put his hand on one of the two men had no right to do that, first mistake.
Secondly, where is the evidence that straight couples who have snogged in that pub and I’m sure there have been some (I’ve seen it in other pubs and nobody objected) have been similarly ejected by this publican? Where is it? She claimed she would do the same which I doubt. She’s nothing but a bold-faced liar. As for that mysterious “Gary” whose face has never been seen saying he has gay and lesbian friends, please -that’s one of the most questionable, convenient mantras if ever just to make it seem he’s not homophobic.
I’ve been there many times and seen all kissing, Straight, Gay and no-body has every batted an eyelid. In this case I think one person took exception and created, well, this.
Personally I’d like to see more of these demos and if it means the pub closes so what. In this climate can they really decide to be so picky. How many pubs are closing a week now?
Jock – that’s quite interesting. So on a normal day both straight and gay people kiss in this pub and no-one bats an eyelid?
So was it the particular landlady on duty that day, or the way that they were kissing or just acting on the interferance of the mysterious Gary who claims to have gay friends?
There’s a lot of variables here which is where the ambiguity creeps in.
The crux of the issue for me is would they do the same for straight people who did the same thing, and is this something they do to all gay people who kiss or just these two who overstepped the house rules set down by the landlord?
That’s the crucial difference between discrimination and mere prudery.
Seems like there’s a lot of contradictory viewpoints to sift through.
majority of gay people are capable of exercising their discretion when it comes to being affectionate, soho is one of those places where gay affection is so common on the streets that doing it even in ‘straight’ establishment shouldnt come as complete shock to its punters, therefore it is possible to conclude that the pub is an oasis of homophobia in a heart of gay village
Jock S. Trap, exactly right! I’ve also seen straight couples, not a lot, in gay clubs kissing. Not one of our people was offended and they weren’t asked to leave. If they had hurled anti-gay epithets, then that’s a different situation of course. Any well adjusted straight couple in a gay environment wouldn’t act that way as well we know. I want to see the evidence from any pub, not just the John Snow, where they’ve ejected straight couples for the same behaviour. I bet you there hasn’t been one case reported by the media. That said, I do draw the line though when it gets into the heavy stuff for both gay and straight couples alike, at that point they should leave and “get a room” as they say in America, or better yet, go home and do it to their hearts’ content.
Exactly. I too have seen plenty of Straight couple in Gay bars kissing again without any problems. Then that tends to be what Gay bars are about being comfortable in our surroundings and not feeling we have to pretend.
It’s clear that several pubs out there could learn a lot from Gay people.
Pehaps. a day of action (flash mob/friendliness rather) where gay couples could just be affectionate with one another (ie. holding hands, as these) in a row of shops / pubs simultaneously could be the way to go for those few minutes. Feel free think of something better! :)
Yes, Jock, once again I agree. I think we should all put pressure on this pub to produce the evidence that they’ve ejected straight couples for the same thing, in fact any pub when this becomes an issue. We should take some of our straight friends, ideally couples and have them snog and see how the publican and staff react.
No what I and countless others have figured out is you were posting multiple messages under a variety of names- if Steve was sat beside you using your iPad why the f88k are you having a conversation with him online? You old gimp. Can’t get anyone to agree with you so you concoct ANOTHER alias. Your time is up old timer.
@cbym….
…..he has been in Derrylondon since thursday and is using my iPad. how else do you think he seen there was less than 100 people at your dud “kiss in”. you witless cretin…..
Because he is you, you total f88k wit, you don’t get that we all realise you’re having these phantom conversations on here with people who post just one message ie you under a different name and you then respond at full throttle with your own paddyswurds name. Eejit. You’re nuts, end of.
@ CMYB ..
…… ni an t-ainm Gaeilge i Londain mar Derrylondon. An Gerry Adams mór ainmnithe go 10 bliain ó shin nó mar sin agus tá sé in úsáid go coitianta ó shin i leith. Táimid ag brú a bheith acu a cuireadh isteach é sa Foclóir Oxford. Leat a bhfuil a fhios cad foclóir a bhfuil dont tú?
He’s probably not even some elderly Irish ex-navvy with a huge old house in the country and ‘room for a pony’, well maybe just an elderly Irish ex-navvy.
@cmyb…..
……..”Or anywhere else with a decent darkroom?!” is that because that is the only place you’ll get a fumble, where noone will see how pig ugly and decrepit you are?? Mke sure you bring tony/rapture/david with you…oh wait, they Are you!! So if someone is unlucky enough to get in a clinch with you in the dark they actually get a four in one if you like……
*Drool* those last two guys wearing the faces off each other are pretty hot. Pressure on the original protagonists to make a relationship that survives all the hoopla and interest they’ve generated, good luck to them.
@Mary B….
….so who is this Shetlar person exactly and does his visa allow him to organise disruptive gatherings in the City of London. What i wonder is his immigrant status and is he a legal resident of the UK. Needs looking into. Nasty looking piece of work. They probably got rid of him back states side so this is his bolt hole…yeukkk
What do you care f88kwit? You’re living in Ireland and commenting on people in the UK. At least Shetlar is doing something proactive for civil rights, you’re just spending your time slating a country you were too weak and too ugly to survive in.
@cmyb…..
…… the few hours i spend there now and again can hardly be classed as trying to survive there. Passed through there as quickly as i could and that was about all i could and can stomach of the place. I found it to be over crowded dirty and unkempt and the Gay scene to be unbearably bitchy and top heavy with frogs, compared to the USA where i did live for almost 20 years in total off and on.
Does he actually live in ireland??????? or in hostel in gateshead, sorry gateshead. Who cares! the pr**k is a loser just have fun with him , don’t even bother responding eloquently , hes just a mick take.
@ Rehan….
…we will leave that to Immigration to decide, shall we…. “perfectly lawfully” or not, I doubt his visitors visa or work permit allows him come here and foment hatred and dissenson.
Oh, come now – ‘foment hatred and dissention’? Overstating things a little, aren’t you? Protesting against hatred (as people who were there testified, the kissing wasn’t exactly ‘obscene’) is hardly that.
I listened to this on Radio 2 yesterday afternoon on Jeremy Vines show and it was absolutely hysterical.
The Gay couple were simply stating their case and the BBC “objective opinion” consisted of an , “I have gay friends” Lancashire or Yorkshire publican ranting to the point of hysteria, claiming his Landlords rights above all else.
@cmyb…
….how do you know Paddys isn’t fake if you think everyone else is. You are starting to get overly paranoid. Better lay off the drugs for a while…oh but wait… then you wont be able to face those sordid darkrooms….awww diddums.
@jst….
……”everyone” including PN which has access to my e.mail address and ip address, which is something you dont have. however PN also has access to your e.mail address and ip address and are as we write, workig on ways to limit you duplicity.
The point is, having done a head count of the photo at the top of this story, little more than 100 people turned up to make spectacles of themselves. And of the vast majority who did turn up, most did not even bother to participate in the kissathon itself (um, wasn’t that the point of this circus?).
So WHAT success exactly? Typical of the fruit loop brigade to exaggerate on the numbers as always. Yawn… And it seems that most of those who did bother to turn up only did so because were freeloaders determined to have their tonsils tickled with abandon. And because most of those were frogs they couldn’t even get the pub cat to lick their boots.
The point is, having done a head count of the photo at the top of this story, little more than 100 people turned up
Click on the Guardian link a couple of posts up, William – if you watch the videoclip you’ll see that there appears to have been well over 100 people there last night.
The point I am trying to make is the event was a total travesty and far from eliciting sympathy from the mainstream it overwhelmingly invited hoots of scorn and derision. So what is everyone squealing about? You should be hanging your heads low in shame.
Wanting to be treated equally is equivalent to hanging heads in shame.
This is your comment.
I have had enough of shame. I have had enough of battery.
And I have had enough of an ill educated child like you believing that you experience in
life equates to everyone else s.
Fact is this incident occurred.
The couple felt shamed by the actions of this pub.
This story is now World Wide as I have read it on the NY times and Bangalore Gazette amongst others.
These bigots have to realize that a word badly spoken in some English pub, soon becomes
an international story due to the lovely internet, MOSTLY created by gay people.
Please feel free to bitch away upon your technology as created by Gay men.
@ robin…et al.
……why is it when ya’ll have been proven wrong you resort to this hate yourself shyte. In 447 comments anyone who espouses the sensible intelligent view is according to a clique of 4 or 5 , a self hater, homophobic, racist, trans phobic, weak, shamefull, a joke, trolling, a troll, a travesty, a bigot, demented, old queen, vile and decrepit. I could go on ad nauseum but i think you get the whole sorry picture. Methinks you protest too too much. if you people are the leading edge of the British Gay scene, well “Houston we have a problem…….”
@Rehan……
………….Anyone who was watching at home or onlookers at the whole sorry scene. And by the way they are still laughing…loudly, including Shetlar by the way.
Shetler. Why do you say that, Paddyswurds? He is – rightly – very happy with the outcome of the protest.
I work round the corner from the John Snow, and when I passed by (before 7pm) on Friday on my way somewhere else there was a good deal of laughter and high spirits, but it certainly didn’t seem to be derisive.
i go with you william…………..you will always get these types in society regardless of cultural background, religious views, race, sexuality the list can go on and on and on and on etc etc!
Me too. It just made us look like another bunch of whinging queens.
When it comes to real complaining about serious matters like Rainbow Hamlets, they all bottle out.
I agree, we need to take the Tower Hamlets issue very seriously. Come and join us on media watch, perhaps we can begin by tackling the stickers incident for starters.
Can’t they have this kind of protest each, it’s great to see so many gay couples (and straight) all having a good time and kissing…..sure raises the profile that it’s ok for all gay people to show affection..and there are plenty of places apart from pubs that straight people do it so why not gay couples…
Perhaps it is time to boycott the John Snow pubs, or do the opposite-thousands of gay people swarm those pubs and continue kissing. Who is tired of this sort of backward, unelightened casual bigotry exhibited by people such as these bar men/women? Perhaps we could expose them to our kissing so much that they would come to be desensitized to it, permanently.
I agree. Whether it was a full on “snog” or a peck on the cheek the point is that if a heterosexual couple can do this, a gay couple should be able to do this also.
Unless we all make the point, this sort of bigotry will only continue.
I understand that people may be upset that the couple got thrown out of the pub – and yes, it is out of order!
However, posting pornographic posters all over the pub may be taking it a step too far.
Although I don’t like homophobic remarks, I am also sharing views that some other people have expressed, in that the ‘gay mafia’ are taking things too far. Maybe quietly getting our point across in a way that makes everyone realise gay people are no different to other people, would be better – instead protesting and posting pornographic images is making us seem like a alien species, when we aren’t.
I completely agree that in the 21st century, it is obscene for a gay couple to be evicted from a pub for kissing. And it did upset me when I read the article. But I do hope you are right when you say the posters were not of a pornographic nature.
But you may be right when you say that I have missed the point. My personality is a lot like my straight mates, and therefore I feel awkward when groups protest and make gay groups distinguishable. Maybe that’s because I’m only recently out and not fully comfortable yet. But you know, now I have reflected on your comment, we wouldn’t be where we are now if people hadn’t protested for our rights. So many we do need protests like this, after all!
Sorry if my comment was missing the point of the issue :)
However, while I said that, I do not wish to shy away from the point that Gay people should be treating as equally as heterosexuals. I was appauled and saddens by the news that a couple had been evicted from the pub, because they were kissing.
re @ paddyswurds; ”Mke sure you bring tony/rapture/david with you…oh wait, they Are you!!” Paddy you deluded demented old queen, you’re the one the stupid enough to post multiple messages under a variety of pseudonyms and not have the intelligence to chance/remove your gravatar profile pic. Vile decrepit old paddy, f88k off and troll somewhere else.
…..you are a disgrace to the whole GLB movement, and if they don’t disown you soon they are doomed in the UK. You with your multiple personalities are very sick and a clear indication that “care in the community” is not working.
There is only one place for you and that is Broadmoor and believe me thats is where you will eventually end up, although the level of your delusion is such that you won’t even know you are there even after ten years. Is it possible you are already there, because I am doubtful an that someone like you is allowed to be out on your own..
Here is another point (besides the pictures): what if we are WRONG?
We are counting our chickens before they hatch… and were making one big investment. What if it turns out that in the end that indeed the guys were over the top and the pub was within the right to remove them. Surely someone would have thought this out before we protest.
If we are wrong, that would be embarrassing and would add to the cliche and stereotype that gays over-react and are too reactionary (and sensitive) and that we want to impose our sexuality on everyone else.
This is looking good. Gives me hope that maybe one day, I’ll be able to hold my partner’s hand whilst we’re out on the street without someone finding it so unbearably distasteful that they have to shout obscenities at me.
“This is looking good.”
I try to be sympathatic as I can, but how can I view this a “good thing” when you people start to post pornographic pictures on the windows of the pub?
The whole point is to prove that we are not sex addicts. Hence why throwing gay the couple out was “un-called for.”
This is just becoming more noise than anything relevant. Again the gay mafia is using this event to over-sexualize us, control us, and to exert its corporate power over us.
Get over yourself.
do you have to get involved in everyones business on here. your very annoying JST
Funny how these one time names seem to pop up making these statement, then never seen commenting again or on the actual story.
How many nicknames does I person need Paddys…?
@jJock s Trap
…..Absolutely not me .I am not afraid to use the one tag all the time.,If i have somthing to say ill say it under my regular tag.
Jock I think we’ve all realised that Paddy has more aliases than that canoe guy who faked his own death for the insurance. Paddy is pathetic- he makes a sweeping statement under his own name then posts under other names to back himself up.
@cmyb…
….ah so thats your modus operandi…..Finally admitted for all to see….Boom Boom!!
Yep, in short Paddyswurds is a fraud.
Take note James!
@jst…
….we shall see in the fullness of time when PN requires registration of e.mail address’s and tag names and that is in developement.
Paddys…
I know Exactly what your up to you, kind of spelled it out with your ‘life history’.
Hopefully I am not the only person to see it.
funny how annoying people like you JST are always on here.
you people need to grow up
pornographic??????? they probably have worse pictures inside the pub holding packets of pork scratchings
Probably. But like you said, probably.
But then you are welcome to post links to pictures showing that later when the pub opens.
But for now there pictures being placed on the windows showing gay men in very overt sexual positions that would otherwise undermine any message you want to convey, I mean YOU are shooting yourself in the foot by justifying this stupidity.
ok, looked at photos again, nothing worse than you’d see in any daily tabuloid. dorry but pornographic they ain’t.
sorry, don’t live in London so ubable to post links. i am not sure how you know that the men in the photos in question are gay but i’ll take your word for it. . as for shooting myself in the foot, well, all i have said is i don’t find the photos pornographic (or rather no more than say a very famous poster of a tennis player scratching her bum from the 70′s). I have yet to express an opinion on the event itself.
Again,
The problem is not the pictures themselves, according to the discussion of the issue, its the fact that they are being used at a demo that was caused by a gay couple who got thrown out because supposedly they were “over the top”
I mean am I (and a few others here) the only one that sees this a self-defeatist or more bluntly ironic?
The fact 100s turned up makes if far from self-defeatists or anything. The pics weren’t pornographic, so I don’t see why thats any relevance.
Pepa, judging from your avatar picture, you need to go and do some chakra meditation and chill out. There is no ‘gay mafia’ trying to over sexualize anyone, or control anyone or exert it’s corporate power. It’s just about equality. That’s all.
Never trust a hippy Ed! pepa is probably sat ALONE in an orgone chamber having a w@nk to those photos that were stuck to the front of the John Snow.
Again.
The gay mafia is over sexualizing the gay community. And your childish perverted comment proves it.
Up the gay mafia.
Judging from your comment, you seem to avoid the premise of my comment.
The point is not my avatar, the point is these gay men are protesting by placing pornographic pictures on the windows. This is how low, and un-intellectual we have become. The gay community is being pushed over the cliff and one day you are all going to regret letting the gay mafia taking advantage of us.
BTW, I have that avatar because I am a spiritual gay man, and I am way beyond superficial meaningless perverted sex (which exists to make certain people money). Sex is about intimacy and love (something most of us forgot) and you instead use it to intimidate others like a weapon (as in the pics), and that is just plain stupid and ignorant.
what do you mean ‘we’? how do you know the images were put up by more than one person?
the main problem with Friday’s kissin was the attempt by Socialist Worker loons to hijack it, as evidenced by all the placards relating to Libya, the Cuts, the BNP etc etc all over the street.
Actually I found the ‘smash the BNP’. placard over the pub was grossly offensive – typiucal SWP childishness. Note to SWP: stay out of LGBT politics, especially in the East End. The vast majority of the LGBT population there are sickened by you.
Adrian
Here Here
Pepa
Again the pics were hardly pornographic and who the hell is this ‘Gay mafia’? Isn’t that just homophobic speak for them Gays getting their rights?
“There is no ‘gay mafia’”
Yes there is. In an Advocate article years ago certain rich gay activists came forward and said that they were the real gay mafia (their words). After some research, these members have particular influence in the political ruling class, banking institutions, and big corporations. But the biggest area they have control over (and fund it) is the gay media. Where through the premise of being gay, they tell the gay masses what to believe in, who to vote for, who to hate, how to think (ie abortion is good, we are the new black, democrats/labor good, big government good, promiscuous sex good, hiv not that bad, strip searches and groping by airport security good etc etc).
and I am sure you can supply a link to sad artcle?
The Advocate did not publish this article online as it was years ago. It was a cover story: “the real gay mafia.”
You can order the back issue from them, but for some reason they WILL NOT have publish it on their website.
A cached image of said cover is on google images as well, just so you wont think that I made this whole thing up. Yes, they said who was really “the gay mafia.”
@ Pepa: it says much about you that you sustain a conspiracy theory based on one article published some time ago in an American magazine.
Apart from anything else, what may apply in the US does not necessarily apply here.
@rehan….
….it may have been published in the US but it was for worldwide perusal and there were a preponderance of high profile British gays listed so it very much did apply to the British Gay Mafia. I remember the article very well. Being old and decrepit that is…..lol
@ Paddyswurds: nevertheless, it isn’t particularly wise to base a global theory on one article written some time ago, is it?
@Paddyswurds – well said!
You’re on drugs. You’re on some seriously hard gear.
Let’s take it that there IS a gay mafia. What do you do? Wake up with a Prada handbag in your bed?
I also found your last little tirade offensive. People are people and we all operate in our own little ways.
@Mendrin….
…. I presume it is Pepa you are talking to….. you should make it clear what post you are replying to.
I agree pepa that it uis not helpful to post “pornographic” pictures over the pub, there is always one idiot who goes too far and spoils a protest. I hope someone else took the pictures down otherwise before long the pub owners will begin to look like poor little victims, telephone harrassment and posting “pornographic” images (if they were) gives them ammunition they’ll no doubt try to use in their defence.
I would like to see the pub landlord & lady done for breaking the law after discriminating against this couple, humiliating them and spoiling their first date together.
Actually I have to laugh about the comments about these pictures. Ok they were a little risky, shall we say, but compared to resent protests by large numbers at least the Landlord and lady didn’t have their pub doors smashed in, windows broken, pub ransacked and fires burning outside.
Pictures really are no big deal. We mustn’t forget not all the kissing was from Gays or Lesbians, there were Straight couples showing sympathy by joining in.
Kissing should be celebrated not mocked and hidden away. Maybe more love in this city would help decrease the crime.
“Ok they were a little risky, shall we say”
This is what I don’t get. You go after me for posting porn pics that protesters place on the windows of that bar, now you say they were a little “risky.” Well, the whole point why the couple were booted from the bar was because they were supposedly engaged in “risky” behavior, and you seem to validate risky behavior, which then of course, is degrading any claims that the couple had they were only engaged in “innocent” behavior.
“at least the Landlord and lady didn’t have their pub doors smashed in, windows broken, pub ransacked and fires burning outside.”
Sure we don’t want to act like animals, thanks for that reassurance.
“Pictures really are no big deal.”
In that case, kiddy porn shouldn’t be a big deal. Violent pictures mean nothing. And I bet that a court of law would also agree with you and say that pictures mean nothing and are therefore not admissible as evidence.
“Kissing should be celebrated not mocked and hidden away.”
Agreed. Would therefore condemn the porn pictures that mocked our sexuality?
Pepa.
Lighten up honey, stop being such a prude. Some people show affection. Get over it.
You are the one protesting, yet I am the one that needs to “lighten up?”
Okay.
And no this is not about PDAs… my premise is WHY use pictures cut from gay porn mags to intimidate people while protesting that they kicked out a gay couple for being “over the top?”
Still you don’t get it, and you still avoid THAT premise and spin this about me and my so called “prudeness.” I always try and keep an open mind, unlike you shutting people up, telling me stay quite, etc. I guess in a sense, your ignorance shows who really is “prude” on this thread.
Bottom line I tried to reason this out, but the more I try to the more absurd it is turning out to be. (and a waste, as your comment is basically the same reactionary blank statement of denial).
So you were there then Pepa?
Actually I said lighten up not shut up.
@Pepa….
…..Don’t waste your time. There is a clique of commentators, or they may actually be just one person, on these threads and abuse is their modus operandi. They do not have the intellectual capacity to reason or carry on intelligent debate. There is, rarely, the odd glimmer of hope but it is usually extinguished as the thread matures by the inevitible Godwins Law.
I would hardly call those pictures ‘pornographic’, there are far worse in Newspapers and adverts on daytime TV. Oh good god, a topless man FLEEEEE!
Exactly Zed. Some people are just trying to turn this into a seedy issue to pander the straight and religious homophobic set.
I agree, OMG a topless man.
Shock horror.
Hardly pornographic. The only thing which is obsecene, is the double standards operating here with regards obsecentiy.
Innit.
I guess if some people think that is pornographic then it speaks volumes about those people.
Need we say more?
@Zed….
…….exactly how did risque pics advance the argument with regard to the perceived homophobic incident that supposedly took place on Wednesday night?.
Because they tell the owners of the pub and passers by that men find men attractive and they just have to deal with it.
There is sometimes no need to advance any argument – just merely to make a stand
….
….yes that seems to be the order of the day hereabouts. Standing still or in a lot of cases going backward. Thats how we won the few gay rights we have all right. Grow up ffs.
‘you people’…..? lol ‘the gay mafia’……..?!
someone’s been spending WAY too much time in The Sun (again)……
Good day for people power!
Hi Maria, I hope that one day you’ll be able to hold your partners hand where ever you like without anyone being bothered by it, or at least to do it any way and not be bothered by what other people may think.
My partner and I took this story at face-value. That is – that two guys on their first date were kicked out of a pub for kissing. It seemed unjust, so when it was suggested that a peaceful kiss-in was being organised – we thought we would support it. Heading down to Soho, we joined the large crowd that had gathered outside the venue
And it was a good event, the only thing that spoilt it for us was when some people tried to hi-jack the event. They were deliberately trying to block the traffic and refused to move even when i tried to help clear a route for the veichle to get through. Shame really as it went against the nature of the event. Other than that it was good.
Hi Mark
It was a good event but I must admit, I felt the same about thoses who spoilt it.
…
…and the spoilers seemed to me to be greatly in the majority……..
What would you know you wasn’t there. You just doing what comes best, assuming, but thats all.
I guess we live and learn. Next time those organising the event need to be easier to identify, and have some volunteer stewards to help them manage things better. If it was up to me, I’d shorten the event – make it a half hour zap, then there would be less chance of the event being hijacked in the way that this event was – saying that, I think those who tried to hijack the event scored an own goal because their actions appear to have alienated a whole load of people. Hopefully they will think about their tactics too, afterall most of them and us want the same thing – an end to discrimination and equality for all.
i don’t know where the “hundreds” of protestors were. If there were 75 or 80 would be the maximum. Internet and television video would seem to indicate that what we all thought this was, was borne out by the evidence on the day. A small group of screaming queens intent on causing trouble and strife and as someone said testing the fringes of the Equalities Act. They will need deep pockets when the brewery sues them for loss of business and rightly so.
The equalities act does not define what is right, merely what is considered lawful. Essentially, unless you can prove what these two human beings were doing was, somehow, ‘wrong’, then your argument is merely the prissy fiddlings of an uptight conservative (by which I mean in attitude, not necessarily in politics). How facile to hide behind an act of parliament, the sole purpose of which is to ensure the freedom of any man or woman, provided they do not seek to curtail the freedom of another man or woman. You have no place to hide, nor any place to claim a footing for the higher ground; your evidence is meaningless fantasy, and your non-factual reportage (‘Screaming queens’, anyone?) is merely hyperbole and cliché rolled up together in mess of incoherent vitriol. Say something important or say nothing, for goodness sake.
@Maria….
….”Say something important or say nothing, for goodness sake.” how ao taking your own adve.This was as i said before an opportunist charade based on the actions of a couple of yobs who chose to carry on snogging when asked to stop. when asked again they again refused and started to loudly iterate that the management were being “homophobic” When they were forcibly ejested and their pride somewhat bruised they chose to blow it into a gay hate issue which it clearly wasn’t. Their lack of manners let them down and they chose to make a scene end of. the screaming queens on the edges of gay society then saw an opportunity for further mischief and went for it.If yu refuse to see that you are no better than the origional two yobs.
errata…
….how about taking your own advice…..obv**
Paddyswurds: You’re obviously an illiterate moron and should bury your head in your daily delivery (as I’m sure you won’t be allowed out of your ‘home’) of the Daily Mail.
@thom…
…do you actually know the meaning of the word illiterate?
One might, in a calm and reasonable voice, ask what is ‘snogging’, and then, assuming one receives a coherent response, what is so ‘wrong’ about snogging. The answers would be most illuminating. Please don’t try to provide answers which also apply to ‘ceviche’, ‘tea before three o’clock’, ‘adding milk to earl grey’ or ‘having a go on a lady’s tits’. By which I mean that anything you consider to be strange, unusual, irritating, disturbing, perverted, sexy, unruly, wrong, nice, small, tasty, irresistible or, indeed, any other perception that is unique to you, is best kept to the individual that perceives it: yourself. What right do you have to force your own perceptions on others, even as a way of preventing them forcing their own perceptions on you? Are your perceptions somehow superior to the rest of humanity?
@maria…
….only if you wish them or perceive them to be……If the shoe fits wear it in other words.
correct…. it’s just the minority of arseholes who become ‘gay rights’ fanatics all of a sudden and who also use the equality tactic as they have been bruised as you say paddyswurds…. hopefully they will grow up and one day realize that they are not as important and influential as they once thought……… talk about spitting dummies out equality is about giving and taking whether that be criticism or appraisals ffs! they were reportedly on their ‘first date’ and were full on kissing as well which speaks volumes to me regarding etiquette etc and by god i am certainly no prude!
What are you ranting about, Your comments above clearly are not related to this story at all, and are more related to your own personal hang-ups about sex and gay people in general.
Why have you ignored the fact that this pub has never kicked a straight couple out for kissing?
Why are you ignoring the fact that the police received several witness statements which indicated that the couple’s behaviour was not inappropriate.
I think you need to accept that you are a prude with unhealthy sexual hang-ups, That’sa the impression you are giving off loud and clear.
@davy.
. the reason there may never have been straights ejected for snogging may be in the fact that firstly it is a fcuking straight pub, and secondly maybe anyone who was asked to cool their ardour may not have caused a scene with the management as these two yobs did. And i am also not aprude of nor do i have sexual issues. I know when manners are required and have them to use as these two idiots clearly did not. Grow up ffs…..
paddys manners are clearly displayed in his posts
@and…
…Hear, Hear!!
And what does it say about gay people?
That we’re actually human? Yes, because straight men and women never kiss on the first date (snog or not).
Gay rights fanatics? Arseholes? These arseholes have been there for years being physically and verbally abused just to ensure that people like you and the other knobends on this thread have the right to live in relative freedom.
Show some respect, you’re an arsehole.
Not to stereotype, but the two people in question don’t look like your typical yobs. Nor do they have the image of a screaming queen.
Quite frankly it’s not exactly beyond the boundaries of absurd to think, as a gay couple, that if you’re asked to stop kissing it’s because of your sexuality. Putting myself in their shoes, if it happened to me I would automatically think it was because of WHO I was kissing, not because I was kissing in the first place. And as such I would have deliberately carried on in protest. It is madness to seriously consider the possibility that the staff involved are broad minded individuals merely enforcing the same rule as they would to anyone. I just hope you’re playing devil’s advocate and are not so ignorant to see this for exactly what it is: Homophobia.
And if it isn’t, and was a true, legitimate, regularly enforced rule that comes as standard being a patron of this particular pub then refuting these claims would have been easy. But they haven’t.
@hris …
…they were ejected because they refused to desist and chose to confront the management. This is a straight pub and have every right to regulate the behaviour of its patrons. This is clearly not homophobia except in your simplistic opinion and reasoning..
Paddy,
I’ve responded to you on the earlier thread covering this story. I’m pretty well-acquainted with equality law; I sense that you know a thing or two about licensing law. First: without knowing more about what happened, I don’t feel competent to say whether or not the John Snow’s actiosn were discriminatory. Nevertheless, leaving that aside, for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010, it is irrelevant that the John Snow is a straight pub. Under that Act, they are obliged to treat gay and straight people equally. They can chuck them out for being loud, obnoxious, wearing jeans etc, but they can’t chuck them out for being gay. If they ejected the couple for behaviour that would not have resulted in ejection for a straight couple, they acted unlawfully.
You have implied that there is a get-out provision in the Licensing Act (presumably 2003). I am willing to be corrected (and to read relevant sections of any Act), but this would directly contradict the Equality Act 2010.
(cont’d)
The rules of statutory construction dictate that, where a later Act of Parliament contradicts an earlier Act of Parliament, Parliament is to be taken as repealing the earlier, contradictory provision.
So we seem to have three possibilities here:
1 – The Licensing Act 2003 does not contain anything which contradicts the Equality Act 2010, in which case all establishments must treat gay and straight people equally;
2 – The Licensing Act 2003 contradicts the Equality Act 2010, in which case the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 prevail (so equal treatment is required);
3 – there is some provision in the Equality Act 2010, which I have overlooked, that gives landlords the right to discriminate against gay people in the provision of services.
Which is it? Or have I missed other options?
To reiterate, I write this without making any call on whether the acts of the John Snow were discrimintory.
Paddys…
You really are two faced. How easy you throw names about to others esp if the story is about a certain religious homophobia. There’s so much hate in this world but people like you would rather focus on two peoples happiness and affection.
What does that say about you?
Prehaps the owner would have prefer a pub fight instead?
Are these people for real?
@Rachel…
…why are you wilfully ignoring the fact that they were asked, reasonably, to cool their ardour on two occasions and then chose to confront the management and caused a scene. If straights have not been ejected for similar reasons it is quite possible that they did not confront the management and cause a scene. This has nothing whatever to do with Equality laws, only the Licenceing laws which say the landlord had every right to do what he done because of complaints. If these two cretins had done what they were asked in the first place, the ejection would never have happened. Those are the facts established by witness’s. Trying to construe it as a homophobic incident is be disingeneious in the extreme.
Paddy,
I’m struggling to see how your reply relates to my comments. I’m not wilfully ignoring anything. I have expressly said that, in light of the lack of detail, I’m undecided on whether this or not was a homophobic incident.
In fact, if you actually read my posts, you’ll see that all I’m doing is challenging your (apparent) contention that the Licensing Act renders anti-discrimination law irrelevant in this type of situation. I’ve given you the reasons why I believe you are wrong. My argument has nothing to do with the question of whether the John Snow acted unlawfully in this instance. Now – can you tell me why my legal analysis is wrong or not?
She’s saying that no-one knows what really happened so how on earth did you come to the assumption that they were ‘full-on’ bell-end.
@mendrin…
…. “how on earth did you come to the assumption that they were ‘full-on’ bell-end.”
Where did say that ….?Don’t invent stuff i didn’t say a**hole…
Paddy…Rachel really does appear to have it right. Licensees/landlords do NOT have any special rights in respect of their facilities if they are attempting to exercise those rights in breach of other laws.
A landlord may no more declare his pub a smoking friendly zone, in defiance of laws relating to smoking or an age-exempt zone and sell alcohol to 12-year-olds as wilfully ignore the Equalities Act.
The latter requires that services be provided equally, irrespective of various protexcted characteristics, which inlcude orientation as well as gender and race.
If – tis a big if – the landlord would have ejected a couple of straight persons who were snogging, then it is possible that he might have a defence. Otherwise, this is an offence, purely and simply.
jane
x
FFS…why can’t you people get it into your thick heads. They weren’t ejected because they were gay. they were rightly, thrown out cause they caused a scene and confronted the management.
Paddy, why won’t you address the points that Rachel put to you?
David S
Because he’s only here to sh!t stir and attack, under as many names as possible.
The Equality Act states clearly that goods and services must be offered to all fairly regardless of sexuality. Yet these two agent provocateurs – who consistently ignored requests to stop snogging on licensed premises – weren’t denied goods or services. They were ejected for failing to respect the ruling of the landlord on kissing in the bar who is entirely within his rights to tell them to stop, just as much as he is within his rights to tell a straight couple to get a room (a homophobic link has STILL not been established here), and to tell people in general not to stand on tables or to keep the volume of their conversation down.
This cheap stunt by a minority of loud gay militants on high horses totally ridicules and derides ALL OF US. How dare they claim to speak for me or the other 1 million or so gay-identified people in the UK? We got the last laugh, however. The militant homosexual tends to be so jaw-droppingly ugly that most ended up without princes to kiss, just a few frogs!
Hoiw to make a “William Post”
(1) Pick any of the following, in any order at all:
- gay militants
- Political correctness
- christian rights
- homosexuals
- agenda
(2) Insert meaningless nonsense around it.
(3) Repeat ad nauseam the came comment (copy and paste works well here)
And there you have it! A classic “William Comment” in three easy to do steps!
If that’s too much like work, just throw a load of stupid sentences together in any order and you’ll get the same effect.
Innit!!
@tony…
….did the 600 lose their way when going to the protest, because it didn’t look like there were more than 70 or 80 silly looking beings in various stages if undress present, and the only two kissing were a couple of disguised with face paint lesbians who were persuaded to move to the door after some cajoling and gave each other a quick peck before scurrying away again. The soft porn pasted on the windows only served to make the whole charade look like the down market stunt it always promised to be. A scruffy bitchy non event that only served to make a show of the GLB community and done no one any favours.
Finally your bitchy posting (couldn’t possibly call it a comment) above, in reply to William is an uneducated illiterate and intellectually bereft rant which only served to make YOU look a fool.
Ah, shut it Paddy, we’re all sick of your incessant wining.
@Tony…
….and while i am winning , what makes you think I care about what a non entity like you thinks….sheesh
@tony….
…. i just noticed your bad spelling. Winning is as you can see spelled with two “N’s”…lol
They were denied services – use of the premises is part of the pub’s service. The only question is whether the pub’s refusal to allow them to continue using its services were discriminatory.
equalities act aside I think the whole thing is a good stunt anyway…it really isn’t very acceptable to walk down the street hand in hand or kiss you partner outside a “gay” place…yet it’s perfectly acceptable for straight people to do this anywhere……I’m all for more open show of “gay” affection anywhere, why not….apart from gay pubs everywhere else seems to be straight pubs, straight museums,straight parks, straight theatres, straight shops etc….we can’t show our affection very easily at all without being frowned upon and that’s not good…..have never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing, holding hands etc… there’s huge difference still and this highlights it..
@john…..
…….”.have never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing, holding hands” Well perhaps when you grow up a bit more and your mammy allows you out more, you will see these things. In the real world straights are often told “get a room” when playing tonsil hockey in the street. I am pleased however to see that finally some of this silly element are admitting that the whole thing was a stunt. The sad thing though is that the entire GLB community will pay the price.
Thanks for that fatherly advice Paddyswurds but honestly I haven’t and mum let me out a long time ago..are you really saying that 2 men kissing have the same impact as 2 straights and that the reaction is the same , that’s very doubtful and it’s very doubtful that this story comes as any surprise. The greatest impact I had when I was coming out was when I saw 2 ordinary guys kissing (hopeless romantic I guess), the more stunts like this the better, it can only do gays more good than harm. Personally I still think it sounds like blatant discrimination , probably falls under the equality act, but then again I’m not a lawyer…
Re @Paddyswurds; tonsil hockey? How quaint of you. Have you also heard the term ‘gombeen’ man? Which you surely are.
@CMYB….
………not really , what is a gombeen man?
@CMYB….
….Ok, i am taking a little break… i have to go lend some money…….lol
Paddy – time for a lesson seeing as yet again you are engaging in wilful ignorance (and possible stupidity\).
One of the most fundamental human rights in a democracy is the freedom of assembly and the freedom to protest.
This protest happened OUTSIDE the pub. Therefore the puib has no riight whatsoever to sue them for loss of earnings. Thejr right to free assembly and to protest far outweighs John SNow’s right to sell beer.
Are you being deliberately stupid? Or are you just wilfully ignorant?
davy…
…we will see shant we?
‘davy…
……the sheer vacousness of you comment indicates that you are hardly qualified to hurl epithets of ignorance and stupidity at anyone.
If you are an indication of the calibre of the people involved in this stupid charade then i despair of further progress in the cause of GLB rights.
The fact that your only comments so far have cosiisted of abuse and vitriole is clear indication of the futility of your cause.
I am hugely ashamed that as a gay man i must be considered part of the same community as you. What a depressing thought.
“I am hugely ashamed that as a gay man i must be considered part of the same community as you.”
This is the standard response you have been using all day, to many posters, regardless of theitr comments (or was it William who said it? And are you the same person.)
The reason I am calling you stupid, repressed and prudish is based on your comments here.
Sex is beautiful Paddy. I know that you are an elderly Irish person and therefore, completely uncomfortable on the subject of sex, It’s never too late, Buy a sex toyu online and cheer up. Your bitterness is sad to witness.
david why do you keep brining in sex in to the equation??? you have done with me calling me a prude amongst other things which you discussed with maria (sad) we are stating our own points but don’t need to be questioned for anything other than what we are discussing on here….. please grow up….. i enjoy sex as much as the next person (and with men only) and it is stupid comments that the likes of you and the two guys obviously craving attention did wiating for more reactions are things that will never hjelp with the so called equality system in this country…… i have been out to both friends and family long enough to realize that we should have rights but lets not blow something out of proportion!
@davy…
….you are a liar sir. I have never used that line you quoted until this instance. Saying otherwise only goes to show the weakness of your argument. I am not any other poster and when I changed my tag several months ago I indicated the change clearly for several days as “Paddyswurds formerly Boston” I have no desire or need to change my tag as I have confidence in my ability to stand up to the less intellectually astute on these threads and i have no fear of abuse from those of clearly lesser ability than me.. Actually abuse only shows me that i am probably right most of the time…..
But Paddy – you do admit to being an elderly Irish person don’t you?
I think it may be a generational thing. People of your era tend to have more hang ups about sexuality and expressions of sexuality than the younger generations (obviously this is not a hard and fast rule, but in your case it certainly applies, seeing as how reports of gay men kissing enrage you so).
you are being ageist now david hello! earth calling david you f@@king hypocrite!
@davy….
…..how did you come to the conclusion that I was or am enraged by the idea of gay men kissing? I merely pointed out that a straight pub is not the place for overt displays of homosexuality and that the management only asked them to desist whereupon the two men in question chose to cause a scene. In what way do you construe that as me being enraged.
Your anti Irish assertions of how the irish regard the subject of sex is so uninformed that I now find you offensive. The Irish are probably the least oppressed or repressed in terms of sex than just about any other European country and I find it rich that an Englishman should consider it so.
England has the reputation throughout Europe as The most repressed in terms of sexuality than just about any country in the entire world except with the remote possiblity of Iran.
And that is , before you get off on another rant , not Irish anti English rhetoric… it is a worldwide view accepted even in England itself.
you keep calling people stupid and ignorant david you border on stirring hatred by vilifying people with these comments i am sure we could sit down and discuss this without calling people names……. well i could anyway…….
Well can you please explain why you made the following statement below then?
“i don’t do women and i loathe dykes”
At least calling you stupid, and prudish is based on the absurd comments you have made.
Why, pray tell, do you hate lesbians?
What have lesbians done to you personally to cause you to hate them all?
i don’t hate all dykes but the majority of them are loathsome……they cause the most trouble on the scene they always have…… there is a police presence on a weekend up where i live and it’s more to do with dykes glassing people and fighting amongst themselves than anybody else
Well Skengaleng, why hang out on the gay scene then? If the lesbians are so dangerous and violent?
Go to a straight bar with your dates and mates and enjoy yourselves there.
Oh wait – you can’t relax in straight bars either – for fear of offending the straights with your homosexuality.
Perhaps you should not go out as you seem to have trouble wherever you go.
Have you thought about knitting?
why hang out on the gay scene???? i don’t ‘hang out’ on the gay scene i go meet my freinds and my ex every now and again… lucky if i go once a week to be honest anyway – why do you have to try and twist things – go to a straight bar??? i dj in a straight bar on a saturday night which has a few gay people working there by the way… funnily enough my granny taught me how to knit when i was a young lad……what do you do when you aren’t on here oh i forgot you must just sleep seeing as you are in the top 10 posters ……….i am quite happy with my life thank you very much i just hate drama …………..
Once I loved women, but it all went sour. They promise you things, then it all goes….. it’s like name-calling. Too much. If we could just sit down…. I think sometimes yj they’re all mocking me. Bloody fish women. Prudes? I’ll give you one for that.
“Once I loved women, but it all went sour.”
The women, or you? I’m guessing the latter.
again read my comment at the bottom you freak! i never posted that comment!
Suuuuuure you didn’t. All a big conspiracy, isn’t it?
The protest was going to be held in the pub. It’s only the fact that they locked the bloody doors that they didnt.
Here’s a lesson for you, David: “One of the most fundamental human rights in a democracy is the freedom” of thought. No one should be able to take that away from you or reprogram you to think in a conformist, group-think way. Yet that’s exactly what political correctness is doing; it is forcing society to think one way to the point where minority interests trump the mainstream concensus, and woe betide anyone who steps out of line.
As last night’s ugly doorstep protest proved, the gay militants are trying to bully society into allowing gay people to behave with impunity. On our own scene we now have the right to spread HIV in licensed bareback clubs; now we want to force snogging into the visible mainstream without risk of rebuke. What next? Fisting on the Chanel counter at Selfridges to be made law next year?
The deranged extremists pushing these demands represent perhaps 1-3% of all gay people. It is time the rest of us stood up and told them NOT IN OUR NAME…
How to make a “William Post”
(1) Pick any of the following, in any order at all:
- gay militants
- Political correctness
- christian rights
- homosexuals
- agenda
(2) Insert meaningless nonsense around it.
(3) Repeat ad nauseam the came comment (copy and paste works well here)
And there you have it! A classic “William Comment” in three easy to do steps!
If that’s too much like work, just throw a load of stupid sentences together in any order and you’ll get the same effect.
@tony…
….did the 600 lose their way when going to the protest, because it didn’t look like there were more than 70 or 80 silly looking beings in various stages if undress present, and the only two kissing were a couple of disguised with face paint lesbians who were persuaded to move to the door after some cajoling and gave each other a quick peck before scurrying away again. The soft porn pasted on the windows only served to make the whole charade look like the down market stunt it always promised to be. A scruffy bitchy non event that only served to make a show of the GLB community and done no one any favours.
Finally your bitchy posting (couldn’t possibly call it a comment) above, in reply to William is an uneducated illiterate and intellectually bereft rant which only served to make YOU look a fool.
Snore. Paddy again…. whine, whine, whine. You sounds like a lawnmower, how’s about giving us all a break, eh?
Love it
gosh and there was I thinking it was only a protest about a simple kiss …
“A small group of screaming queens intent on causing trouble and strife”
Erm really?
As opposed to the recent protests we have seen where people ‘causing trouble and strife’ has been to start fires, smash up property, disrupt innocent people shopping, banking. See I saw none of that.
The only people to blame for the lose of any earnings are those who run the pub. No-one else. Equality laws are here for a reason. They protect. If people want to get petty over a couple showing affection then more pity them but don’t expect others to not protest against it.
Shut the place down for all I care or at least give the place to people who don’t discriminate.
The brewery cant sue them for ‘loss of business’. The pub took the decision to close – it was not ‘closed’ down by the protesters.
Excellent point Staircase2!
I don’t know if you were there Paddy but there were hundreds of people there, the area around the pub was packed with people. Some kissing, some taking photos and a lot of people watching what was going on. Don’t forget it was a three hour event, with people arriving throughout the evening including those who tried to change the nature of the kiss-in and turn it more into some sort of street protest. Even when we walked back through the area on our way home after a few drinks in the Kings Arms there were still quite a few people in the area. All in all it was a good event, and got some good media coverage.
‘One protester pinned a rainbow flag to the door frame of the pub, while others posted flyers of men in varying states of undress to the windows. Another man held a placard saying “I want to blow you all” in large letters with “(a small kiss)” written much smaller below.’ Posting flyers hmmm where did i hear that before POT KETTLE BLACK you should all be ashamed of your selves. Get a life FFS!
And the next protest is next Wednesday.
You Skengaleng have every right to sit at home lamenting your bitter virginity, while writing letters of outrage to the Daily Heil.
He could always join them, his penis clad in a rainbow of exciting lipstick shades and hope to get lucky. They do say that once you’ve got laid the world kind of settles out into shades of grey rather than this demented black and white he seems to be viewing it in.
Perfect, Maria, perfect!
Yes but eviidently – judging by his reactions – he thinks sex is bad, and should only happen in a marriage bed between a man and a woman both of whom are clad neck to toe in sackcloth (except for a hole cut out near the crotch area )where the man can mount the lady, missionary style, in the hope of impregnating her.
i don’t do women and i loathe dykes maria
exactly you have nothing better to do with your life than play games have you??
look man hater i am not straight…. bet you have been with guys though judging by the lipstick comment and the laid comment you freak!
I do believe I win. Thank you for playing. If you ever want to enter the world of the grown-up boys, I’m sure someone on here can arrange to have your cherry popped for a favourable price. Much love; x.
Don’t bank on it!!
;)
Oh goodie – a gay man who hates lesbians! They’re my favourite type of bigot! I’m also partial to lesbians who hate gay men. Know any of those? Oops, asking the wrong person there, aren’t I?
win what????? why don’t you get a life and stop playing pathetic games then?????? and regarding popping my cherry – if i was a virgin what would be the matter with that anyway…. there is only one winner here and it’s not you or david by a long shot…… by the way were either of you at the protest
It wasn’t you, was it? That bloke I snogged with the bad breath?
i think it was me. A skanky dyke grabbed me and before i could stop her she had stuck her toung half way down to my stomach. It tasted of rotten fish and now i am throwing up every few minutes you filthy pig. I am on the second bottle of listerene and the smell is still there. If i can find you i will do you for assault, dirty friggin dike.
@ Steve…..
….and don’t come home here till you are decontaminated. You promised you wouldn’t go to that charade. Ithink a visit to Bond St is in order. a nice Louis V man bag may just help to quell my anger…kissing dykes….. yeuwww !!
sorry hun, but i wasn’t really at the protest.Sum skank grabbed me as i was going to the Hotel. I really am sick and your no being helpful. xx see ye 2moro i hope
@steve…
….i hope thats the truth. Oh and you better not lose my iPad or you needn’t come back and don’t be using my accounts. you have your own. You wer on my MSN account too …Are you on something….
Oh, look. Another conversation between two “different” people.
Nutter.
Why did Paddyswurds’ avatar appear also on ”Steve’s” post? You’ve been rumbled Paddy you sad c88t.
@CMYB ……’
…..cause he is using my iPad , idiot
@Tony….
…..did PN ban your “rapture” tag ….I wonder why??
You’re the only one posting under different names here Paddy, you sad c88t.
Hypocrisy rears it’s ugly head every time!
Indeed – the John Snow has NEVER thrown a straight couple out for kissing, despite it being a regular occurrence, Therefore they can expect ongoing protest for the moronic stupidity of their management staff.
how do you know that smartypants???
Playground language really shows you for what your are…..
what like your name????? my name is thomas what does thom mean????
Please, use English here, skengaleng. Its an English speaking website.
I’ve seen plenty of people in there snogging with not so much as an eyelid batting. Most straight but some men too.
Newflash some people kiss on greeting. Some people may snog. I think there is far worse things worthy of such bitterness but seriously should this be one of them.
Love and friendship should be promoted, no matter who it is not stamped on.
Well said Maria!
I’ll second that!
Samuel Smiths – the Yorkshire based brewery who own the JOhn Snow – is clearly completely ouit of its depth when it comes to managing this controversy.
f they had the remotest intelligence or business acumen they would have done the following yesterday.
1,Issued an apology to the couple for the hypocritical and homophobic behaviour of the bar staff
2. Sacked the staff in question
3. Promise that it would not happen again.
Instead they have point blank refuised to comment and have shut the bar, giving the impression that they are backward hicks that probably should not be located in Soho.
I mean even if they had attended lesson number 1 in ‘PR for Dummies’ they’d know their current policy is a PR disaster for them.
what do you do for a living then?????? teach your granny to suck eggs?????
Playground language really shows you for what your are…..
shut it thom you like david don’t know me and never will so button it
We know that you hate lesbians Skengaleng,
You made the following statement:
“i don’t do women and i loathe dykes”
You have openly admitted your homophobia.
Anything you say will be read oin the understanding that you are a self-admitted homophobe.
Skengaleng, how else are we to know you but through your words? You’re a mysogenistic, anti-lesbian poorly-crafted wordsmith who can’t express himself adequately and thus resorts to infantile morality and juvenile jibes. There is little intelligence in your statements, and what intelligence there is is poorly matched by the intellect behind them. You assume, belittle and denigrate, and thus engender a position of intransigent certainty with no real foundation. Your certainty of your moral foundation is suspect simply because you constantly fail to defend it, choosing instead to attack the morality of others. I ask, as I have already done so twice tonight, why you are so certain that your moral grounds are correct. How do you know that what you believe is right is right? It’s a simple question, with no simple answer. Have a go – you seem simple, if you’ll forgive me for one last jibe.
@Skengaleng….
….dont respond to their illiterate shyte. Speak above them because they then wont know what you are saying about them…..
Paddys..
I’ve strongly suspected you are also skengaleng. You ain’t fooling anybody. Your nothing but a fraud. I’m just wondering how many others being that you seem to love being nasty and stirring sh!t.
Er, mysoginistic yes, but homophobic? How did you draw that conclusion?
I’m a bit behind the times, that’s all. I’m in the sixties, sex-wise. I like to spread a bit of cock about, but not admit it. Alright?
Why would I answer my own comment, cretin?
Stop putting words in other people’s mouths.
If youve got something to say, at least have the backbone to use your own name and not somebody elses.
I don’t know why this theme in particular summons the attack of the hateful homophobic troll/s. I guess someone is affected in a personal level and chose this media to vent his rage. Sadly the moderation is slow to act. I thought Britain had an anti hate crime law that could be used even for those internet trolls. It would be so nice to see the one around here facing some sobering reality at the justice.
I think the important thing here is to realise that people are entitled to find anything to be distasteful. I, for example, may be unduly distressed by those lacy toilet-roll covers one finds in guesthouses. I am allowed to be as distressed as I wish by them, to the point of apoplexy if need be. However – do I have the right to stop the landlady covering her toilet rolls? Do I even have the right to mention it? The first is a given no, the second is merely freedom of speech. She, thusly, has the right to tell me to get lost. Such is how logic and philosophy win the day, and why the grizzled old warhorses above can snuggle back into their cosy gay caves and lament us young folk ever daring to step out and declare our rights. Grandpappys: one day you’ll step out into a bright new day and tell your grandkids about the proud pioneers who made all this possible. Oh… wait: no grandkids. Why don’t you tell the rent boys you hire to fill the gaps, then? Ah – the moment of catharsis!
Hate has a relentless manner to consume the hater from inside. Love has a resilient manner to protect the lover from inside, too. That’s why haters have the war already lost, battle, after battle, after battle. Little by little, haters feel surrounded and boil in desperation crying out even louder for a support that can’t incite empathy. Logic can be a bitch, especially for the haters.
I guess Elton John’s son will have a wonderful story to tell their sons about how grandpa helped to fight for the equality of all. Ah, you gotta love technology when paired with human rights.
True people are entitled to find anything distasteful but one has to question if people thing two men kissing is them how do they feel about a 4 year old child being shot?
Why do people find anything to whinge about? Love, happiness, friends are not distasteful. They should be encouraged if only more people actually took their heads out of there asses to see the light, prehaps they could stop making everyone else as miserable as them.
Idiots protesting…. But the owner have right also kick out anybody from his establishment. Period!
True but there has to be a valid reason not a discriminating one.
Yes. they made a scene when asked TWICE to desist. that is a perfectly valid reason under the Licencing Act 2003.
Putting the word “Period!” in your comment does not make it correct, just makes you look like a petulant fool., If you know anything about the law you’d know that.
You are an asshole with a perverted mind, and, logically, I am looking for you in perverted perspective.
Please, write in English, Rich, I don’t speak your dialect of ‘Pigeon English for the retarded’
Like being on gay site do you? Get a thrill out of it, do you? All those dirty little thoughts that you have. Get to rub one off but think you’re standing up to “the queers”? Pathetic.
But do tell, did the doctors let you use a computer, or did you steal it form the other patients?
@Tony…
…. if you are going to preach about the English language, make sure your own efforts are faultless, Anthony, especially spelling.
‘Pigeon English for the retarded’ I was unaware that pigeons spoke English…however if you meant Pidgin you should have said so.
You again. Yawn. Run along, bitchy, grown ups are talking.
@tony….
…..so what are you doing on here then…..??
Ironic name Rich!!
Jock S. Trap, you should see the laughable comments that twat left on the “aggressive new chlamydia strain” thread. Oh, mercy, the man is a complete moron! I’m still giggling at his stupidity. I would be mortified to show that level of idiocy in public.
I know. Another irony really. He thinks he can say as much thinking himself and people like him are immune.
Then don’t get why there’s a problem.
Stonewall inn 28th of June 1969
John Snow pub 15th of April 2011
So tens of thousand have died in Japan with hundreds of thousands misplaced.
Hundreds, possibly thousands being killed trying to free their countries from vicious dictators fighting and protesting for freedom.
Four children have died in London this year BY children.
A man has been charged for shooting a 5 year old girl.
There is so much hate in this world and yet we have people making such a fuss because two people showing some affection and happiness?
Seriously?
Live and Let Live.
Two people kissing is a beautiful thing it makes the world a better place be you gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor, 60 or 16, able bodied or disabled you can improve the world by showing some love not hate.
If you want to see something disturbing then goto into the seedy side of Soho tonight as its full of Manchester United and Manchester City football fans waiting to go through the doorways and up the stairs to visit the so called models!!!!! You wont see too much love in Soho tonight or tomorrow night thanks to the football yobs. You are more likely to get assaulted than kissed.
We don’t see people trying to stop the yobs from sexually exploiting women, no Stephen Green Christian Voice protest in Soho tonight. Yet two men on a first date dare to have a first kiss in public and the world falls apart.
Helen – “Two people kissing is a beautiful thing it makes the world a better place be you gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor, 60 or 16…”
What an over-generelisation and a perfect example of how PC is coercing society through force to all think one way. Yes, Helen, I agree 100% with you that two people kissing of any combination of sex is a truly wonderful, nay, beautiful thing. But you cannot force other people to agree with you. Some people find watching others kissing uncomfortable for whatever number of reasons, some psychological, some religious, whatever. We also need to respect their right to not be offended.
Of course people should have the right to greet and depart with a peck on the cheek, but not full-scale tonsil tickling if you please. The two pub lovebirds were so wrapped up in each other they were too selfish to consider the impact of their behaviour on everyone else in the pub, and ignored requests to stop.
Cue the militant tirade of invective…
William Tirade Word bingo:
“militant tirade” – tick
“PC” – tick
“coercing society” – tick
“religious” – tick
BINGO!
@Tony…
…have you any intelligent comment to make on the story this thread is about? So far all you have done is hurl abuse and act as if you are still in junior school playground. You are clearly intellectually bereft.
At least I don’t need to pretend to be Steve…. but not smart enough to even do THAT well. So, be careful who you accuse of stupidity you sad freak.
@Tny ….
….if you had the brains of a goose you would have realised he was using my account on my iPad which he has with him…..!!
We don’t respect people’s right not to be offended. No rights for hurt feelings, or more ludicrouslt religious beliefs. Whose feelings should count more than others? How do you decide that?
The bottom line: people are different. That’s why other people’s opinion on homosexuality of displays of affection between people of the same sex do not count. There are many ways of live ing a good life. Everybody needs afftection. And nobody is harmed by kissing.
By your logic, women should cover up and wear the burka, in case we offend a tiny minority of fundamentalist nutters. Where do you draw the line william,?
Prehaps all Gay men will be forced to wear the burka to make us sexless and stop that damn affection stuff in public.
@anyone…
…actually i find the burka and insult to men in general, because the premis behind it is that any man catching sight of the woman inside it is liable to be inflamed by lust and would attempt to violate her. The very idea have you seen middle eastern women without the burka thingy. They are, for the most part, probably the ugliest women on the planet. Perhaps that is the real reason for their men insisting they wear it. Imagine having to look at those ugly frog mugs 24/7….
Here, Here Helen!!
Much rather see Love in this world than hate.
Who would have though the Love and happiness of kissing who create such hatred.
We had a gay couple in our local pub, were holding hands under the table, someone complained and the gay couple were asked to leave by the licensee, this was reported to the police and they attended the pub the following day. The licensee was informed that her actions in asking the gay couple to leave was against the law!
@P & M……
……..How has your little anecdote any relevance. You obviously haven’t been keeping up.
These two yobs were asked twice, after a customer had complained, to cool their ardour. They then confronted the management and played the “gay discrimination card” and caused scene and it is at that point they were asked to leave the “straight” pub as were the straight couple who joined their little charade. That is probably why the police haven’t told the management in this case that they done anything illegal because they clearly haven’t. Those are the clearly established facts in the case and are comfirmed by witness’s.
Blimey, you seem to have all the facts before the police. You made judgement and found guilty.
Yet what part of this couple do you summarise as ‘yobs’?
Why have you excluded the straight witnesses who have supported the couple?
How did they play the ‘Gay discrimination card’?
The list goes on…
Your pathetic. Discrimination is NOT acceptable. Just because your happy hiding and not being seen don’t assume everyone should follow suit. Personally, thank Gaga for ALL those who have the guts to stand up to hate.
It’s just ashame that those that have the guts also have to stand up to the hate within the Gay community to fight for our Freedoms. Without those brave people you certainly wouldn’t have your freedoms but then prehaps thats what your all about, keeping the LGBT community as second class citizens.
Luckily you are a very small in number.
@Jock strap….
….”Yet what part of this couple do you summarise as ‘yobs’?” Jonathans left testicle and Jamies nose you ignorant moron….sheesh… the level of illiteracy on this thread is astounding. Where on earth did you go to school and why did they not teach you English?? I’d protest and possibly sue the Education Minister if i were you Jock. Maybe even get a spelling bee going. That should be fun except you would have to keep your clothes on.
Note the avoidance of the questions, peeps! Just slagging off.
If anything this has proven homophobia is alive and well in the uk and to all those living in a bubble with fingers firmly implanted to into ears should wake up and smell the coffee.
An example of a comment on the article about this event posted at the guardian.. whos readership is majority white and “liberal” -
“It is not illegal but is is disgusting. It is also disgusting that many people are revolted by this kind of behaviour but are made to feel somehow ashamed for admitting that they believe homosexuality to be aberrant. Live and let live should be symmetrical.”
there were many more comments like this although alot of them have been deleted thankfully. But the praise and agreement they were recieving actually turned my blood cold. We should make a point to kiss as much in public as possible, maybe even have a day in honour of it. If it makes some straight men “physically ill” then they need to see it happen over and over again until they accept it.
The UK is virulently homophobic , london especially increasingly so. Overt , violent homophobia has become increasingly acceptable and covert homophobia purported by the “phoney liberal” brigade is practically innate with that lot. I agree with your point of trying to desensitize bigots by displays of gay affection , but even looking at the comments left on this story , we have enemys within our own community who think we should not be affectionate in public. My fella and i went last night to soho to show support but we decided to kiss on the tube on the way, not anything too passionate for quintessintial , stereotypical , uptight english sensitivities. Anyhow there was either filty looks , mumblings of disapproval or was called “dirty chi chi men” by some trocalydyte. Anyone who thinks this ia a even tolerant city is a complete idiot.
Ooh musclelad23, a militant gay at just 23. And there was I thinking the sort of garbage you just spouted was the sort of ill-thought out insane intolerance uttered from a dying breed on 1980s revolutionaries. I’ll be sure to look out for you at the front of the next Pink Parade with your whistle, rainbow ribbons and sequinned disco pants.
Oh, another William Tirade Word bingo game. Love it.
“militant gay” – tick
“1980s revolutionaries” – tick
“garbage” – tick
But no “PC” or “agenda”….. ohhh, hard luck. No bingo here. Please play again.
So your attacking me for… what.. being 23 and actually caring about issues that effect my own community?
At pride you will probably find me scowling at how corporate and vacuous the whole affair is compared to the days of the 1970 – 80s revolutionaries and activists.. who if it wern’t for, I might just be locked up for sodomy or fired for being gay, or unable to have a civil partnership.
I’m failing to see what your point is.
William doesn’t have one. He just repeats the same low brow uneducated nonsense time after time. Like a broken record. One that should be thrown out in lieu of some decent schooling.
@ Tony…..
…..hopefully a better school than the one you attended, eh? Oh, sorry you didn’t attend, you were hanging out at the local slot machine parlor selling blow jobs for a £1 a go or was it 50p?.
Yes you’ll be looking out alright like the spectater u are , safely at the back of the crowd/closet .
Ironic is it?
So much hate on our street and it’s treated like an everyday thing.
Two men kisssing in public, greeting being happy, loving, caring and it’s treated even worse.
I’d rather see a trillion men kissing, even snogging in public than one 5 year old girl being shot!
i agree ,me too, you know the old cliche make love not war rings true.
Indeed rapture, Indeed!!
No wonder Jock play’s life’s eternal “Woe poor me” victim. He lives in an dreamworld where he imagines everyone snogging, holding hands and whispering sweep nothings is one anothers’ ears.
Reality check time: life’s not like that. It is made up of a kalaiedoscope of colours with various shades within those same colours and shades within those shades. Indeed it is THAT what makes life so wonderful – that we are all different and don’t conform to the same thought and belief systems. That we are all different and have our own thoughts, inclinations, likes, dislikes, etc., some good, some bad, but hey that’s life!
The real tragedy here is that there will always be extremists within any subset of society who want to inflict their ways and beliefs on the majority, be it the militant gay fringe or the radicalised wing of Islam. How ironic, and somewhat rich, that we have become undistinguishable from our own oppressors in that respect. Same sh*t, just a different hole.
Super, another game!
Lets go, pens to the ready!
“victim” – TICK!
“militant gay” – TICK!
“extremists” – TICK!
“radicalised wing of Islam” – TICK! (Bonus new expression)
“dreamworld” – TICK!
BINGO! Oh, wonderful! We all win again! Thanks for playing folks!
Tune in next time when William smashes his ape paws once again on the keyboard for another fun gay of William’s Idiot Bingo!
And yet isn’t it funny that anyone who disagrees with you is branded as a “Woe poor me” victim. Then you want to lecture of differences.
We get it you’d rather see misery, a martyr to it. With misery comes misery I guess.
It’s so ironic that you brand others victims then use threads to say how hard done by you’ve been.
Trouble is staying in that closet is clearly shielding you from reality but then it’s not like your actually Gay is it, just pretending to be to ‘try and somehow connect’. You’ve failed. We see through you.
As for you, maybe if you brought your head out of your arse you’d see the light but then with you it’s more Same Sh!t, Same Asshole!
“Then you want to lecture of differences.”
William doesn’t lecture, he repeats. Like a parrot.
It’s like William discovered some piece of sh*te, daily mail opinion piece generator, clicked enter and then all the populist middle england diarrhea just spews forth. He’ll be going on about travellers next..
go away you sad old tool.
pads/willie they all the same , don’t even bother typing a response above their heads just tell em what they are, sh*t!
Rapture
It’s getting confusing and pointless. It’s time for Pink News to stop multiple nicknames or at least route out the sh!t stirrers. It can’t be that difficult to do.
Agreed i’m sure i’ve had an imposter already , i can be emulated but never equalled , anyhow you know its me with the atrocious spelling/grammer, sorry for my dislexia i’m trying. otherwise sort it out pn …
“We should make a point to kiss as much in public as possible, maybe even have a day in honour of it. If it makes some straight men “physically ill” then they need to see it happen over and over again until they”
I agree, and if straight men are made to feel sick and disgusted, it’s their problem and not ours.
This is not about “Gay Rights”. If people are not comfortable with two men kissing, this is a problem for all men regardless of sexual orientation.
This is really about the emancipation of all men
Exactly.
Maybe this is what it takes. Most having the guts to kiss in public to get the public to see that it just as normal. We can’t change things usless we stand up to it. Only then will people see this as ‘every day’ stuff Just like straight couples kissing.
My hubby and I have no problem kissing in public, nor any of my friends, including my straight ones so…
People won’t like this comparison, but I don’t care.
Alot of people were once “offended” by the sight of black people sitting at the front of the bus.
It took one brave woman, Rosa parks, to make a stand and say I am a human being, I have every right to sit here just like you do.
This isn’t about kissing or snogging in a “lewd” manner, they were having a soft kiss. So many people are saying “I CANT STAND ANY PUBLIC AFFECTION” as an excuse to mask there homophobia. The truth is when other straight people are at they dont even notice. something called straight privelage.
Let me be frank.. many gay people are terrified to even kiss there friends hello or hold hands if it’s the wrong area. I myself was chucked out of a taxi a few years ago for holding hands with another bloke. We need more people like these two. Kiss, hold hands, be dignified.. and show them that some people are gay – get the F*** over it.
Totally agree with you musclelad23.
I must admit over the years when I met my friends some of the straight ones kinda stepped back at first but over the years they just accept thats me, it’s not sexual it’s just a greeting. I’ve heard a few of em over the years when asked “Oh thats just Jock” and thats it. They accept that is me.
It amazes me that people who find such a friendly affectionate greeting as something threatening. personally I can think of much more threatening behaviour and kissing in public is hardly on of them.
Too many people get their assholes in a knot over the most stupidest of things.
To them I have this simple message:- Take a chill pill, Dude.
touche to u n jock , we need more gays with a backbone firstly, i’ve had quite a few homophobic incidents for just being in love. and it sux! but i will never stop doing what feels right at the right time , i know the boundaries of being obscene and being seen ,as would apply to straight couples also, but they do not get the same disgust or aggro as we do because ultimately we are a vulnerable , persecuted minority (i’m betting we have some looks like tarzon sounds like jane guys denying the obvious), not matter what anyone says.
Here, Here, rapture.
I’m disgusted by the lack of support for this gay couple and lgbt equality on this forum. I could be on a thread for the BNP going by some of the self loathing , homophobic , uptight gays leaving comments, some actually calling the couple “yobs”.
Half of it is the same troll using multiple identities.
Agreed. Its the same garbage, under many names. There is one sad lonely little freak out there that was inadvertently given access to the internet.
Yes agreed , hope they drop dead. one less bigot in the world.
And one less fool.
I agree Helen, I think that is the main problem here. It’s not lots of different people but more like different nicknames with a lot less people.
I’ve had posts using my name. Pink news better sort it out or the site will be full of trolls
Paddyswurds probably. One hand on his shrivelled inert elderly knob and the other on the ‘add comment’ button on this site, its like second guessing someone with dementia as to which name he’ll post something troll-esque under.
haha, i was thinking inverted knob though . I must have scarred him , i’m trying to bring him out of his closet again, but i guess i was too rough with him before, now he is running from me , poor little pu*sy
I agree. But we feed them, its always the usual culprits…especially Paddy.
But what really makes me laugh Paddy is the first to scream vacuously and incoherently ‘…racist fascist’ when there’s a debate about certain religious issues but when it comes to real LGBT rights he’s sounds like a some backward, far right, gay hating hick who thinks we should not be seen or heard outside of our ghettos’s.
I fully support the protest actions (and any on going) on the John Snow and think we should by default (sheer numbers) now turn it into a ‘gay pub’…!
pads is a fantasist troll and he’s a racist homophobe . he hates english men , probably too many knock backs. Anyhow the guy is a a toilet.
Paddy is one of those sad individuals who thinks by prostrating himself to the whims of bigots he will somehow be redeemed in their eyes. Like William. If they can’t put up, they should shut up, and let real gay people continue to stand up for themselves.
I was gonna say he was a c..t but you summed it up better.
They have a lot of support.
It’s 1 or 2 people leavoinmg these nonsensical posts.
in your dreams fu@k face
to maria (the Shakespeare of today) – not everybody is interested in the eclectic style you write your replies – obviously you think you are something else and yes you are certainly that it is not a gift just somebody who uses a thesaurus and no i am not simple as you put it you seem to really enjoy name-calling people you sad woman and david stop posting stupid comments on here using my alias – re: skengaleng 7 hours ago Report Reply
Once I loved women, but it all went sour. They promise you things, then it all goes….. it’s like name-calling. Too much. If we could just sit down…. I think sometimes yj they’re all mocking me. Bloody fish women. Prudes? I’ll give you one for that.
check out the ip address pn as it certainly isn’t mine!
sad and bitter
and judging by the minds of these two poor creeps i shall no longer even bother with this news page
“Bloody fish women.”
What a bitter little bitch you are. Grow up.
if you read the comment properly, you will realize that i never posted that you retard i re-posted what some sad loser wrote using my alias so get your facts right before making a fool of yourself sigh
Oh, yeah, sure, its soooooo obvious, since the rest of your “real” comments are so laced with intellect and fact.
This whole incident reminds me of the film “Rashamon” in as much as depending on your subjective viewpoint you can project any number of alternate interpretations onto it.
Scenario 1. Jonathon and Jamie were getting quite heavy, tongues were involved as well as lots of heavy petting. When asked to desist by the landlady (in essence a way of saying “get a room”) they upped the anti and were chucked out in a way that was consistant to the pubs policy on straight people getting overly intimate.
Scenario 2. Jonathon and Jamie were minding their own business, gave each other a fairly restrained peck on the lips/ cheek and were immediately confronted by a bolshy homophobe landlady who demanded they stop because Gary from Richmond complained (and Gary isn’t a big fan of the gays either). When they asserted their right to continue the landlady calls in the heavies and chucks them out for no good reason.
Scenario 3: Somewhere between scenario 1 and Scenario 2
…which is why I haven’t commented on this one much. I simply don’t have all the facts. Even the eyewitnesses can’t seem to agree on who the wrongdoers were.
And having been chucked out of a gay bar for applauding at the end of the wrong verse of a kareoke performance before now (something I wouldn’t have taken offence over if the roles were reversed), I know just how subjective this kind of stuff can be.
I only hope they taped the whole thing on the security cameras because I honestly don’t know who’s in the wrong here.
I think this pub was wrong – its in Soho for a start.. but I think we (gays) should choose our venues carefully if we want to do what straight couples do.
A few years ago we were with some straight friends in Nandos in Staines (we were visiting them and going to the movies!). There was a really young gay couple, maybe 17 yrs with some friends in Nandos snogging and being way over the top. We were both uncomfortable, (a) cos’ it was Staines, but also there were a lot of families in there. A family complained and a staff member went up and asked them to stop. Which they did (kind of). Half of me was incensed and wanted to ask them if they’d asked a straight couple to stop, other half understood completely.
The point I’m trying to make is most of us would use our judgment to what is a ‘safe’ and ‘appropriate’ environment and what isn’t. A family fast food restaurant in the outer suburbs = stupid, a boozer in heart of gay village Soho = exceptable.
I think you’re right, the location has some bearing on it for sure, but is the landlady just as prudish about straight people snogging?
And of course one person’s peck on the lips is another person’s tonsilectomy!
Personally I only feel comfortable publicly snogging my other half in a certified gay bar, maybe on Canal st, but I have seen straight couples late at night in Manchester’s Trafford Centre trying to acheive a full-on knee-trembler on the foodcourt upper balcony right in full view of the Saturday cinema crowd… naturally they were chucked out pretty quick!
I think there has to be a line in the sand somewhere…
@damien…
…..”heart of gay village Soho = exceptable.” exactly what does this mean?
It is simply unacceptable that the level of education coming out of our schools today should be allowed to continue, except of course that it is probable that a lot of the commentators on these threads simply were too thick to reach an acceptable level of proficiency.
@Paddy – you sound like a self-hater – they weren’t yobs etc either
It is excellent that there was a protest
There’s too many idiots about plus if you don’t like kisses then don’t look at it
Paddy is one of those sad individuals who thinks by prostrating himself to the whims of bigots he will somehow be redeemed in their eyes. Like William. If they can’t put up, they should shut up, and let real gay people continue to stand up for themselves.
@Tony…..
…… reposting rubbish verbatum only serves to make you look more idiotic than anyone thought possible.
@Chester..
What exactly is a self hater? I have been gay since i was 12 years old and been out since I was 17. I have had three long term gay relationships and one ongoing
Innumerable and ongoing long term liasons ie; men with whom i have “fun” without being in exclusive relationships, some of whom are married.
I am an educated successful gay man who attended Ivy league university in the USA. I have travelled to and visited 143 countries before I was 30.
I and have numerous gay and straight friends rangeing from late teens to late 90s. Homophobic? I don’t think so.
I started a computer business at 40 and am fully computer literate and am present on 3 social networks accessed daily.
On what level do you think your description of me is consistent with the preceding. I think a lifetimes experience makes me qualified to decide what is and what is not a yob.
Wow, after reading that it begs the question…
What happened in your life to make you so hateful?
Ya’d think with all that in your life you would have been more open minded and learned from the pleasure of life and all it brings into a fullfilling 60+ years. Yet all you seem to do when you come here is spew such nasty bitterness. Attacking all who dare disagree with you. Not really like even those who do agree with you.
Not being funny but that doesn’t suggest a life of experiences, of learning what the world has to offer.
They say in order to love oneself you have to love yourself. Or at least like yourself.
All you do it hate. Everything, everyone so I have to conclude you must hate yourself.
There we have the answer of “What exactly is a self hater?”… Clealy you.
Paddy – did you support Apartheid in South Africa? If not why on why do you think that gays should only be ‘gay’ and do gay things in gay pubs/bars/establishments? and when I say ‘gay things’ I mean – kiss and be affectionate. You are basically saying – LGBGT people can only be accepted in their own areas!
Paddy, shut it you spineless cretin…. or should we call you Steve? You fcuking moron.
i put pads in his place before and told him what he/they were now he/they avoid/s me , great!
@Rapture/cymb etcetc….
…yea right….
Please Paddy, stop posting your vicious rants. It’s embarrassing.
Yawn…. Didn’t really expect anything better from you three or is all just “rapture”
@pads , paranoia enveloping u. i’m watching u now bitch!
@rap or whatever you are…
…..you couldnt watch yourself never mind me…..Get a life creep….sheesh
NO pads i won’t let you suck my c**k , i would’nt even p*is on you if you burst into flames in front of me.
“Get a life creep” Just the one?
Hilarious considering it looks likes like on here Paddys.. has been using many names.
@jock ta for getting my back, but look at my post up a bit, trust me anyone would know my personal style of writing, but pn should hurry up n sort out all the paddyswurds desperate to be us.
Oh it’s been noted rapture.
“Eddy”, please could you add the first letter of your surname to your name on these boards, please.
People might think your messages have been written by me.
Please define “real” gay people.
You mean “real” as in left-wing, anti-tory, anti-establishment, Guardian-reading, Hush-puppy wearing socialist vegans?
Fcuk off. The only thing that defines us is what we do in bed, so quit with the “self-loathing” bollocks just because we don’t fit with your definition of what a faggot should be.
I thought a faggot was a Scottish dish, not a sexual identity!
Lol
Dunno but I know some dishy Scots with some impressive… Oh apparently that doesn’t count.
people who are trying to excuse the pub and defend someones right to be offended by gays forget that 20 odd years ago that right to be offended by gays would mean that somebody would be punched (and not just ask) and then thrown out on the street and to top it all ignored by the police. it is precisley why uk has Equality Act, so we dont have to look for signs asking no dogs and no gays, uk is lucky to have this much protection, we gays in other countries can only dream about that level of equality, dont listen to paddy or william they dont know a thing about what it means to be discriminated, selfserving opinonated loud queens, and i dont mean people protesting outside pub last night
I wish I’d been there to see it, I love to see petty rules and bigots forced to see what they are. Shame some of the posters here aren’t as troubled by others injustice though.
it all seems to me that gay community can only speak out loud when they feel safe, if you also read the news about 30-ish people attending the east london pride not long ago. shall i say it’s pathetic?
east london pride was marred by edl politics, so it wasnt just about homophobia, in this case we have blantat disregard for Equality Act, with owners hiding behind their right to eject anyone they wish and its about soho and what it means to gay people
suppose the bar owner is muslim (merely fictional as i know true muslims aren’t allowed to drink) and several people in the kiss protest are linked to edl, would there be so many people protesting or would there even be a protest at all? do you agree that it’s a way to block anti-homophobic protests?
these two incidents are so different that to make the point you resort yourself to a near impossible fictional scenario
it’s really laughable to believe in no scenario would muslims throw out gay men from whatever place they own. bars are no different from hotels, restaurants, supermarkets etc when the Equality Act takes effect. however, some people would rather blindly believe there’s no such situation, even if the british muslims act just worse than that bad pub owner.
ric, nobody is questioning landlords religious or ethnic background nor his grounds for finding kissing obscene, whats important here is whether he finds heterosexual kising equally obscene as gay kissing, and more importantly, the incident happend in hart of gay village, a place where you can feel free and safe and where you can be whoever or whatever you want to be, even if you happend to be in straight bar. that sense of feeling has been abused in the john snow pub. and if we can not feel free and safe in our area where can we. the protest sent out strong message that if you dont like our village you can F.OFF
too far from Lancashire for me. If I were there I would happily try to fight the nonsense.
A few points I’d like to make. Why did the publican et al not provide their names when asked by the gay couple. Afraid of legal action? Or just not honest about it to admit he was wrong and heavy handed. Obviously he didn’t take responsibility for his action or have the courage of his conviction to provide his name when asked. Not the conservative thing to do by any stretch. The man who put his hand on one of the two men had no right to do that, first mistake.
Secondly, where is the evidence that straight couples who have snogged in that pub and I’m sure there have been some (I’ve seen it in other pubs and nobody objected) have been similarly ejected by this publican? Where is it? She claimed she would do the same which I doubt. She’s nothing but a bold-faced liar. As for that mysterious “Gary” whose face has never been seen saying he has gay and lesbian friends, please -that’s one of the most questionable, convenient mantras if ever just to make it seem he’s not homophobic.
Robert
I’ve been there many times and seen all kissing, Straight, Gay and no-body has every batted an eyelid. In this case I think one person took exception and created, well, this.
Personally I’d like to see more of these demos and if it means the pub closes so what. In this climate can they really decide to be so picky. How many pubs are closing a week now?
Jock – that’s quite interesting. So on a normal day both straight and gay people kiss in this pub and no-one bats an eyelid?
So was it the particular landlady on duty that day, or the way that they were kissing or just acting on the interferance of the mysterious Gary who claims to have gay friends?
There’s a lot of variables here which is where the ambiguity creeps in.
The crux of the issue for me is would they do the same for straight people who did the same thing, and is this something they do to all gay people who kiss or just these two who overstepped the house rules set down by the landlord?
That’s the crucial difference between discrimination and mere prudery.
Seems like there’s a lot of contradictory viewpoints to sift through.
majority of gay people are capable of exercising their discretion when it comes to being affectionate, soho is one of those places where gay affection is so common on the streets that doing it even in ‘straight’ establishment shouldnt come as complete shock to its punters, therefore it is possible to conclude that the pub is an oasis of homophobia in a heart of gay village
The managers of the John Snow are Carla Cookson and Graham Jackson.
The licencee is Thomas.
The landlord is Thomas Jeffrey Paget.
Now you know who to complain directly to.
Jock S. Trap, exactly right! I’ve also seen straight couples, not a lot, in gay clubs kissing. Not one of our people was offended and they weren’t asked to leave. If they had hurled anti-gay epithets, then that’s a different situation of course. Any well adjusted straight couple in a gay environment wouldn’t act that way as well we know. I want to see the evidence from any pub, not just the John Snow, where they’ve ejected straight couples for the same behaviour. I bet you there hasn’t been one case reported by the media. That said, I do draw the line though when it gets into the heavy stuff for both gay and straight couples alike, at that point they should leave and “get a room” as they say in America, or better yet, go home and do it to their hearts’ content.
Exactly. I too have seen plenty of Straight couple in Gay bars kissing again without any problems. Then that tends to be what Gay bars are about being comfortable in our surroundings and not feeling we have to pretend.
It’s clear that several pubs out there could learn a lot from Gay people.
My latest Newsround blog entry (LGBT heroes) includes comment on the story and a link to a Sky News video
Pehaps. a day of action (flash mob/friendliness rather) where gay couples could just be affectionate with one another (ie. holding hands, as these) in a row of shops / pubs simultaneously could be the way to go for those few minutes. Feel free think of something better! :)
The Daily Mail
The Sunday Mail
The Telegraph
The Daily (We Are Beyond the Law) Phone Hackers
Finally, social networking put to a good use.
Yes, Jock, once again I agree. I think we should all put pressure on this pub to produce the evidence that they’ve ejected straight couples for the same thing, in fact any pub when this becomes an issue. We should take some of our straight friends, ideally couples and have them snog and see how the publican and staff react.
Why did @Paddyswurds’ avatar appear also on @”Steve’s” post? You’ve been rumbled Paddy you sad c88t.
@cmyb ….
….beacuse he is using my iPad, and my account on PN, you witless moron. Are you too thick to figure that out for yourself.??
No what I and countless others have figured out is you were posting multiple messages under a variety of names- if Steve was sat beside you using your iPad why the f88k are you having a conversation with him online? You old gimp. Can’t get anyone to agree with you so you concoct ANOTHER alias. Your time is up old timer.
@cbym….
…..he has been in Derrylondon since thursday and is using my iPad. how else do you think he seen there was less than 100 people at your dud “kiss in”. you witless cretin…..
Because he is you, you total f88k wit, you don’t get that we all realise you’re having these phantom conversations on here with people who post just one message ie you under a different name and you then respond at full throttle with your own paddyswurds name. Eejit. You’re nuts, end of.
And Derrylondon? Is that the ‘RA name for Londonderry or just your gobsh1te thinking?
@ CMYB ..
…… ni an t-ainm Gaeilge i Londain mar Derrylondon. An Gerry Adams mór ainmnithe go 10 bliain ó shin nó mar sin agus tá sé in úsáid go coitianta ó shin i leith. Táimid ag brú a bheith acu a cuireadh isteach é sa Foclóir Oxford. Leat a bhfuil a fhios cad foclóir a bhfuil dont tú?
LOL! Oh, yeah, THATS the reason.
You sad fcuking liar! You were using multiple names, as we always suspected, and you fcuked up and we caught yo out. How embarrassing, and futile.
And the fact you think this sham lie will make us believe you ever again? LOL!
He’s probably not even some elderly Irish ex-navvy with a huge old house in the country and ‘room for a pony’, well maybe just an elderly Irish ex-navvy.
well you are rightb about the ex navvy thing. I am an educated person and never had to be a labourer, thanks for that anyway
will…
…and you think i care, why pray??
Does anyone know if the John Snow is open for business again yet?
Or anywhere else with a decent darkroom?!
@cmyb…..
……..”Or anywhere else with a decent darkroom?!” is that because that is the only place you’ll get a fumble, where noone will see how pig ugly and decrepit you are?? Mke sure you bring tony/rapture/david with you…oh wait, they Are you!! So if someone is unlucky enough to get in a clinch with you in the dark they actually get a four in one if you like……
???………..
………..he mut be still in a darkroom somewhere as he hasn’t spewed any hate vitriolic comment on this post yet….lol
Be sure to watch this lovely video of the event!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/15/john-snow-kiss-in-london
*Drool* those last two guys wearing the faces off each other are pretty hot. Pressure on the original protagonists to make a relationship that survives all the hoopla and interest they’ve generated, good luck to them.
@Mary B….
….so who is this Shetlar person exactly and does his visa allow him to organise disruptive gatherings in the City of London. What i wonder is his immigrant status and is he a legal resident of the UK. Needs looking into. Nasty looking piece of work. They probably got rid of him back states side so this is his bolt hole…yeukkk
What do you care f88kwit? You’re living in Ireland and commenting on people in the UK. At least Shetlar is doing something proactive for civil rights, you’re just spending your time slating a country you were too weak and too ugly to survive in.
@cmyb…..
…… the few hours i spend there now and again can hardly be classed as trying to survive there. Passed through there as quickly as i could and that was about all i could and can stomach of the place. I found it to be over crowded dirty and unkempt and the Gay scene to be unbearably bitchy and top heavy with frogs, compared to the USA where i did live for almost 20 years in total off and on.
Does he actually live in ireland??????? or in hostel in gateshead, sorry gateshead. Who cares! the pr**k is a loser just have fun with him , don’t even bother responding eloquently , hes just a mick take.
@ Paddyswurds: Paul Shetler has a highly respectable job in IT and has been based in London – perfectly lawfully – for over a decade.
@ Rehan….
…we will leave that to Immigration to decide, shall we…. “perfectly lawfully” or not, I doubt his visitors visa or work permit allows him come here and foment hatred and dissenson.
Oh, come now – ‘foment hatred and dissention’? Overstating things a little, aren’t you? Protesting against hatred (as people who were there testified, the kissing wasn’t exactly ‘obscene’) is hardly that.
I listened to this on Radio 2 yesterday afternoon on Jeremy Vines show and it was absolutely hysterical.
The Gay couple were simply stating their case and the BBC “objective opinion” consisted of an , “I have gay friends” Lancashire or Yorkshire publican ranting to the point of hysteria, claiming his Landlords rights above all else.
It got to the point Mr Vine just cut him off.
I just love the predictable line
“I have gay friends”,
these homophobes trot out, as if this some how negates their homophobia.
So Hitler had Jewish friends, yeah yeah yeah
@JohnK….
…..comment #226 and Godwin is right again.
paddy can i talk to you off here????
how?/
@ tom….
….Im on my pink news
@tom…
….e.mail me irelandcalling@hotmail.com
i will but you want to remove your addy as there ares ome scum on here………..
Ferdy, Steve, Tom, Eire32……all sad old Paddy.
@ferdy….
……..thats ok it is a limited account.
@cmyb…
….how do you know Paddys isn’t fake if you think everyone else is. You are starting to get overly paranoid. Better lay off the drugs for a while…oh but wait… then you wont be able to face those sordid darkrooms….awww diddums.
Paddys…
Why don’t you just give up and admit it, your use many nicknames including other users names.
You have already been shown up, we can all see the proof.
@jst….
……”everyone” including PN which has access to my e.mail address and ip address, which is something you dont have. however PN also has access to your e.mail address and ip address and are as we write, workig on ways to limit you duplicity.
LMAO, yeah Paddys Jock and the rest of us are all the culprits, not you, no never you. You remind me of that Patsy Cline song, ‘crazy’…..
I am simply using an absurd analogy, to highlight the ridicolous nature of this current euphemism, frequently used by homophobes.
The point is, having done a head count of the photo at the top of this story, little more than 100 people turned up to make spectacles of themselves. And of the vast majority who did turn up, most did not even bother to participate in the kissathon itself (um, wasn’t that the point of this circus?).
So WHAT success exactly? Typical of the fruit loop brigade to exaggerate on the numbers as always. Yawn… And it seems that most of those who did bother to turn up only did so because were freeloaders determined to have their tonsils tickled with abandon. And because most of those were frogs they couldn’t even get the pub cat to lick their boots.
Altogether now, “Aw shame…”
Actually a lot of people turned up. It was all done with great spirit and the point was to protest which was done.
Mock it all you like but at least people are willing to stand up and be counted not hide away ashamed of themselves.
Shouldn’t you be preparing them birch twigs to thrash yourself with? Bibles don’t dust themselves you know.
Many people of all sexual orientations showed up to support, Gay, Lesbian, Straight..
Luckily your sort are in a minority.
The point is, having done a head count of the photo at the top of this story, little more than 100 people turned up
Click on the Guardian link a couple of posts up, William – if you watch the videoclip you’ll see that there appears to have been well over 100 people there last night.
it was landlord who lost his massive thursday balls on friday, such a role model, we can see you borrow a lot from him
lolz
The point I am trying to make is the event was a total travesty and far from eliciting sympathy from the mainstream it overwhelmingly invited hoots of scorn and derision. So what is everyone squealing about? You should be hanging your heads low in shame.
Why do you hate yourself self so much.
I’m a psychiatrist.
Perhaps. I can help.
He’s trying to underestimate the numbers but for what I can’t imagine but he wasn’t there. He’s just trying to mock all LGBT people who take action.
He’s trying to make assumptions but for all that attended he’s showing himself to be an absolute joke.
There’s only one travesty, well two actually, William and Paddys…
Luckily as I said he is in a minority. Most people don’t hate themselves and Everyone else, except for these two.
I am Very suspicious about who he is claiming to be.
“You should be hanging your heads low in shame.”
Wanting to be treated equally is equivalent to hanging heads in shame.
This is your comment.
I have had enough of shame. I have had enough of battery.
And I have had enough of an ill educated child like you believing that you experience in
life equates to everyone else s.
Fact is this incident occurred.
The couple felt shamed by the actions of this pub.
This story is now World Wide as I have read it on the NY times and Bangalore Gazette amongst others.
These bigots have to realize that a word badly spoken in some English pub, soon becomes
an international story due to the lovely internet, MOSTLY created by gay people.
Please feel free to bitch away upon your technology as created by Gay men.
“These bigots”
But William IS one of those bigots, Dr Robin. He has no interest in listening to what we have to say or what we have to stand up to.
William is all about the put down.
@ robin…et al.
……why is it when ya’ll have been proven wrong you resort to this hate yourself shyte. In 447 comments anyone who espouses the sensible intelligent view is according to a clique of 4 or 5 , a self hater, homophobic, racist, trans phobic, weak, shamefull, a joke, trolling, a troll, a travesty, a bigot, demented, old queen, vile and decrepit. I could go on ad nauseum but i think you get the whole sorry picture. Methinks you protest too too much. if you people are the leading edge of the British Gay scene, well “Houston we have a problem…….”
errata 247 comments….**obv
I’ve never been part of the gay scene.
Every shrink I’ve eve met is in serious need of therapy themselves.
They usually have something to hide.
hoots of scorn and derision?
Where? From whom?
@Rehan……
………….Anyone who was watching at home or onlookers at the whole sorry scene. And by the way they are still laughing…loudly, including Shetlar by the way.
Shetler. Why do you say that, Paddyswurds? He is – rightly – very happy with the outcome of the protest.
I work round the corner from the John Snow, and when I passed by (before 7pm) on Friday on my way somewhere else there was a good deal of laughter and high spirits, but it certainly didn’t seem to be derisive.
Please William, stop posting. If you are Gay, your opinions are shameful.
Shamefull and embarrasing !!!
i go with you william…………..you will always get these types in society regardless of cultural background, religious views, race, sexuality the list can go on and on and on and on etc etc!
Me too. It just made us look like another bunch of whinging queens.
When it comes to real complaining about serious matters like Rainbow Hamlets, they all bottle out.
I agree, we need to take the Tower Hamlets issue very seriously. Come and join us on media watch, perhaps we can begin by tackling the stickers incident for starters.
Pic looks like a low budget zombie film haha.
I hope they all kept it pg13
Can’t they have this kind of protest each, it’s great to see so many gay couples (and straight) all having a good time and kissing…..sure raises the profile that it’s ok for all gay people to show affection..and there are plenty of places apart from pubs that straight people do it so why not gay couples…
Perhaps it is time to boycott the John Snow pubs, or do the opposite-thousands of gay people swarm those pubs and continue kissing. Who is tired of this sort of backward, unelightened casual bigotry exhibited by people such as these bar men/women? Perhaps we could expose them to our kissing so much that they would come to be desensitized to it, permanently.
I agree. Whether it was a full on “snog” or a peck on the cheek the point is that if a heterosexual couple can do this, a gay couple should be able to do this also.
Unless we all make the point, this sort of bigotry will only continue.
If I ran a pub, I wouldn’t allow gays or straights to do it.
Show some fcking decorum in public.
…..
………Hear,hear.
I understand that people may be upset that the couple got thrown out of the pub – and yes, it is out of order!
However, posting pornographic posters all over the pub may be taking it a step too far.
Although I don’t like homophobic remarks, I am also sharing views that some other people have expressed, in that the ‘gay mafia’ are taking things too far. Maybe quietly getting our point across in a way that makes everyone realise gay people are no different to other people, would be better – instead protesting and posting pornographic images is making us seem like a alien species, when we aren’t.
Matt I think you are missing the point.
I think it is debateable as to whether or not the images are “pornographic” per se, and so warrant being referred to as obscene
What does constitute an obscenity however, is two men being ejected from a pub in Soho, in the 21st century, for kissing.
I completely agree that in the 21st century, it is obscene for a gay couple to be evicted from a pub for kissing. And it did upset me when I read the article. But I do hope you are right when you say the posters were not of a pornographic nature.
But you may be right when you say that I have missed the point. My personality is a lot like my straight mates, and therefore I feel awkward when groups protest and make gay groups distinguishable. Maybe that’s because I’m only recently out and not fully comfortable yet. But you know, now I have reflected on your comment, we wouldn’t be where we are now if people hadn’t protested for our rights. So many we do need protests like this, after all!
Sorry if my comment was missing the point of the issue :)
However, while I said that, I do not wish to shy away from the point that Gay people should be treating as equally as heterosexuals. I was appauled and saddens by the news that a couple had been evicted from the pub, because they were kissing.
re @ paddyswurds; ”Mke sure you bring tony/rapture/david with you…oh wait, they Are you!!” Paddy you deluded demented old queen, you’re the one the stupid enough to post multiple messages under a variety of pseudonyms and not have the intelligence to chance/remove your gravatar profile pic. Vile decrepit old paddy, f88k off and troll somewhere else.
…..you are a disgrace to the whole GLB movement, and if they don’t disown you soon they are doomed in the UK. You with your multiple personalities are very sick and a clear indication that “care in the community” is not working.
There is only one place for you and that is Broadmoor and believe me thats is where you will eventually end up, although the level of your delusion is such that you won’t even know you are there even after ten years. Is it possible you are already there, because I am doubtful an that someone like you is allowed to be out on your own..
go lick out your mum!
SMELL MY BUM OFF YOU BLOBHEAD
Paddy: language!
huggybear….
…. Skype or phone asap…xx
Here is another point (besides the pictures): what if we are WRONG?
We are counting our chickens before they hatch… and were making one big investment. What if it turns out that in the end that indeed the guys were over the top and the pub was within the right to remove them. Surely someone would have thought this out before we protest.
If we are wrong, that would be embarrassing and would add to the cliche and stereotype that gays over-react and are too reactionary (and sensitive) and that we want to impose our sexuality on everyone else.