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  1. This is looking good. Gives me hope that maybe one day, I’ll be able to hold my partner’s hand whilst we’re out on the street without someone finding it so unbearably distasteful that they have to shout obscenities at me.

    1. This is looking good.

      I try to be sympathatic as I can, but how can I view this a “good thing” when you people start to post pornographic pictures on the windows of the pub?

      The whole point is to prove that we are not sex addicts. Hence why throwing gay the couple out was “un-called for.”

      This is just becoming more noise than anything relevant. Again the gay mafia is using this event to over-sexualize us, control us, and to exert its corporate power over us.

      1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 6:45am

        Get over yourself.

        1. do you have to get involved in everyones business on here. your very annoying JST

          1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 5:51pm

            Funny how these one time names seem to pop up making these statement, then never seen commenting again or on the actual story.

            How many nicknames does I person need Paddys…?

          2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 6:47pm

            @jJock s Trap
            …..Absolutely not me .I am not afraid to use the one tag all the time.,If i have somthing to say ill say it under my regular tag.

          3. Jock I think we’ve all realised that Paddy has more aliases than that canoe guy who faked his own death for the insurance. Paddy is pathetic- he makes a sweeping statement under his own name then posts under other names to back himself up.

          4. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:34am

            ….ah so thats your modus operandi…..Finally admitted for all to see….Boom Boom!!

          5. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 6:35am

            Yep, in short Paddyswurds is a fraud.

            Take note James!

          6. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:04pm

            ….we shall see in the fullness of time when PN requires registration of e.mail address’s and tag names and that is in developement.

          7. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 1:19pm


            I know Exactly what your up to you, kind of spelled it out with your ‘life history’.

            Hopefully I am not the only person to see it.

        2. funny how annoying people like you JST are always on here.

          1. you people need to grow up

      2. aunty babs 16 Apr 2011, 8:25am

        pornographic??????? they probably have worse pictures inside the pub holding packets of pork scratchings

        1. Probably. But like you said, probably.

          But then you are welcome to post links to pictures showing that later when the pub opens.

          But for now there pictures being placed on the windows showing gay men in very overt sexual positions that would otherwise undermine any message you want to convey, I mean YOU are shooting yourself in the foot by justifying this stupidity.

          1. ok, looked at photos again, nothing worse than you’d see in any daily tabuloid. dorry but pornographic they ain’t.

          2. aunty babs 17 Apr 2011, 1:15am

            sorry, don’t live in London so ubable to post links. i am not sure how you know that the men in the photos in question are gay but i’ll take your word for it. . as for shooting myself in the foot, well, all i have said is i don’t find the photos pornographic (or rather no more than say a very famous poster of a tennis player scratching her bum from the 70’s). I have yet to express an opinion on the event itself.

          3. Again,

            The problem is not the pictures themselves, according to the discussion of the issue, its the fact that they are being used at a demo that was caused by a gay couple who got thrown out because supposedly they were “over the top”

            I mean am I (and a few others here) the only one that sees this a self-defeatist or more bluntly ironic?

          4. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 10:24am

            The fact 100s turned up makes if far from self-defeatists or anything. The pics weren’t pornographic, so I don’t see why thats any relevance.

      3. Pepa, judging from your avatar picture, you need to go and do some chakra meditation and chill out. There is no ‘gay mafia’ trying to over sexualize anyone, or control anyone or exert it’s corporate power. It’s just about equality. That’s all.

        1. Never trust a hippy Ed! pepa is probably sat ALONE in an orgone chamber having a w@nk to those photos that were stuck to the front of the John Snow.

          1. Again.

            The gay mafia is over sexualizing the gay community. And your childish perverted comment proves it.

          2. Up the gay mafia.

        2. Judging from your comment, you seem to avoid the premise of my comment.

          The point is not my avatar, the point is these gay men are protesting by placing pornographic pictures on the windows. This is how low, and un-intellectual we have become. The gay community is being pushed over the cliff and one day you are all going to regret letting the gay mafia taking advantage of us.

          BTW, I have that avatar because I am a spiritual gay man, and I am way beyond superficial meaningless perverted sex (which exists to make certain people money). Sex is about intimacy and love (something most of us forgot) and you instead use it to intimidate others like a weapon (as in the pics), and that is just plain stupid and ignorant.

          1. what do you mean ‘we’? how do you know the images were put up by more than one person?

            the main problem with Friday’s kissin was the attempt by Socialist Worker loons to hijack it, as evidenced by all the placards relating to Libya, the Cuts, the BNP etc etc all over the street.

            Actually I found the ‘smash the BNP’. placard over the pub was grossly offensive – typiucal SWP childishness. Note to SWP: stay out of LGBT politics, especially in the East End. The vast majority of the LGBT population there are sickened by you.

          2. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 10:26am


            Here Here


            Again the pics were hardly pornographic and who the hell is this ‘Gay mafia’? Isn’t that just homophobic speak for them Gays getting their rights?

        3. There is no ‘gay mafia’
          Yes there is. In an Advocate article years ago certain rich gay activists came forward and said that they were the real gay mafia (their words). After some research, these members have particular influence in the political ruling class, banking institutions, and big corporations. But the biggest area they have control over (and fund it) is the gay media. Where through the premise of being gay, they tell the gay masses what to believe in, who to vote for, who to hate, how to think (ie abortion is good, we are the new black, democrats/labor good, big government good, promiscuous sex good, hiv not that bad, strip searches and groping by airport security good etc etc).

          1. aunty babs 17 Apr 2011, 1:34am

            and I am sure you can supply a link to sad artcle?

          2. The Advocate did not publish this article online as it was years ago. It was a cover story: “the real gay mafia.”

            You can order the back issue from them, but for some reason they WILL NOT have publish it on their website.

            A cached image of said cover is on google images as well, just so you wont think that I made this whole thing up. Yes, they said who was really “the gay mafia.”

          3. @ Pepa: it says much about you that you sustain a conspiracy theory based on one article published some time ago in an American magazine.

            Apart from anything else, what may apply in the US does not necessarily apply here.

          4. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:14pm

            ….it may have been published in the US but it was for worldwide perusal and there were a preponderance of high profile British gays listed so it very much did apply to the British Gay Mafia. I remember the article very well. Being old and decrepit that is…

          5. @ Paddyswurds: nevertheless, it isn’t particularly wise to base a global theory on one article written some time ago, is it?

          6. @Paddyswurds – well said!

          7. You’re on drugs. You’re on some seriously hard gear.

            Let’s take it that there IS a gay mafia. What do you do? Wake up with a Prada handbag in your bed?

            I also found your last little tirade offensive. People are people and we all operate in our own little ways.

          8. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:01pm

            …. I presume it is Pepa you are talking to….. you should make it clear what post you are replying to.

      4. I agree pepa that it uis not helpful to post “pornographic” pictures over the pub, there is always one idiot who goes too far and spoils a protest. I hope someone else took the pictures down otherwise before long the pub owners will begin to look like poor little victims, telephone harrassment and posting “pornographic” images (if they were) gives them ammunition they’ll no doubt try to use in their defence.
        I would like to see the pub landlord & lady done for breaking the law after discriminating against this couple, humiliating them and spoiling their first date together.

        1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 12:27pm

          Actually I have to laugh about the comments about these pictures. Ok they were a little risky, shall we say, but compared to resent protests by large numbers at least the Landlord and lady didn’t have their pub doors smashed in, windows broken, pub ransacked and fires burning outside.

          Pictures really are no big deal. We mustn’t forget not all the kissing was from Gays or Lesbians, there were Straight couples showing sympathy by joining in.

          Kissing should be celebrated not mocked and hidden away. Maybe more love in this city would help decrease the crime.

          1. Ok they were a little risky, shall we say

            This is what I don’t get. You go after me for posting porn pics that protesters place on the windows of that bar, now you say they were a little “risky.” Well, the whole point why the couple were booted from the bar was because they were supposedly engaged in “risky” behavior, and you seem to validate risky behavior, which then of course, is degrading any claims that the couple had they were only engaged in “innocent” behavior.

          2. at least the Landlord and lady didn’t have their pub doors smashed in, windows broken, pub ransacked and fires burning outside.

            Sure we don’t want to act like animals, thanks for that reassurance.

            Pictures really are no big deal.

            In that case, kiddy porn shouldn’t be a big deal. Violent pictures mean nothing. And I bet that a court of law would also agree with you and say that pictures mean nothing and are therefore not admissible as evidence.

            Kissing should be celebrated not mocked and hidden away.

            Agreed. Would therefore condemn the porn pictures that mocked our sexuality?

          3. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 6:44am


            Lighten up honey, stop being such a prude. Some people show affection. Get over it.

          4. You are the one protesting, yet I am the one that needs to “lighten up?”


            And no this is not about PDAs… my premise is WHY use pictures cut from gay porn mags to intimidate people while protesting that they kicked out a gay couple for being “over the top?”

            Still you don’t get it, and you still avoid THAT premise and spin this about me and my so called “prudeness.” I always try and keep an open mind, unlike you shutting people up, telling me stay quite, etc. I guess in a sense, your ignorance shows who really is “prude” on this thread.

            Bottom line I tried to reason this out, but the more I try to the more absurd it is turning out to be. (and a waste, as your comment is basically the same reactionary blank statement of denial).

          5. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 10:28am

            So you were there then Pepa?

          6. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 10:29am

            Actually I said lighten up not shut up.

          7. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:27pm

            …..Don’t waste your time. There is a clique of commentators, or they may actually be just one person, on these threads and abuse is their modus operandi. They do not have the intellectual capacity to reason or carry on intelligent debate. There is, rarely, the odd glimmer of hope but it is usually extinguished as the thread matures by the inevitible Godwins Law.

      5. I would hardly call those pictures ‘pornographic’, there are far worse in Newspapers and adverts on daytime TV. Oh good god, a topless man FLEEEEE!

        1. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 6:46am

          Exactly Zed. Some people are just trying to turn this into a seedy issue to pander the straight and religious homophobic set.

        2. I agree, OMG a topless man.

          Shock horror.

          Hardly pornographic. The only thing which is obsecene, is the double standards operating here with regards obsecentiy.

          1. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 1:21pm


            I guess if some people think that is pornographic then it speaks volumes about those people.

            Need we say more?

        3. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:30pm

          …….exactly how did risque pics advance the argument with regard to the perceived homophobic incident that supposedly took place on Wednesday night?.

          1. Because they tell the owners of the pub and passers by that men find men attractive and they just have to deal with it.

            There is sometimes no need to advance any argument – just merely to make a stand

          2. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:04pm

            ….yes that seems to be the order of the day hereabouts. Standing still or in a lot of cases going backward. Thats how we won the few gay rights we have all right. Grow up ffs.

      6. Staircase2 19 Apr 2011, 1:21am

        ‘you people’…..? lol ‘the gay mafia’……..?!
        someone’s been spending WAY too much time in The Sun (again)……

    2. Good day for people power!

    3. Mark Healey 18 Apr 2011, 4:14pm

      Hi Maria, I hope that one day you’ll be able to hold your partners hand where ever you like without anyone being bothered by it, or at least to do it any way and not be bothered by what other people may think.

      My partner and I took this story at face-value. That is – that two guys on their first date were kicked out of a pub for kissing. It seemed unjust, so when it was suggested that a peaceful kiss-in was being organised – we thought we would support it. Heading down to Soho, we joined the large crowd that had gathered outside the venue

      And it was a good event, the only thing that spoilt it for us was when some people tried to hi-jack the event. They were deliberately trying to block the traffic and refused to move even when i tried to help clear a route for the veichle to get through. Shame really as it went against the nature of the event. Other than that it was good.

      1. Jock S. Trap 18 Apr 2011, 4:23pm

        Hi Mark

        It was a good event but I must admit, I felt the same about thoses who spoilt it.

        1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:07pm

          …and the spoilers seemed to me to be greatly in the majority……..

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:27am

            What would you know you wasn’t there. You just doing what comes best, assuming, but thats all.

        2. Mark Healey 19 Apr 2011, 2:47pm

          I guess we live and learn. Next time those organising the event need to be easier to identify, and have some volunteer stewards to help them manage things better. If it was up to me, I’d shorten the event – make it a half hour zap, then there would be less chance of the event being hijacked in the way that this event was – saying that, I think those who tried to hijack the event scored an own goal because their actions appear to have alienated a whole load of people. Hopefully they will think about their tactics too, afterall most of them and us want the same thing – an end to discrimination and equality for all.

  2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:04am

    i don’t know where the “hundreds” of protestors were. If there were 75 or 80 would be the maximum. Internet and television video would seem to indicate that what we all thought this was, was borne out by the evidence on the day. A small group of screaming queens intent on causing trouble and strife and as someone said testing the fringes of the Equalities Act. They will need deep pockets when the brewery sues them for loss of business and rightly so.

    1. The equalities act does not define what is right, merely what is considered lawful. Essentially, unless you can prove what these two human beings were doing was, somehow, ‘wrong’, then your argument is merely the prissy fiddlings of an uptight conservative (by which I mean in attitude, not necessarily in politics). How facile to hide behind an act of parliament, the sole purpose of which is to ensure the freedom of any man or woman, provided they do not seek to curtail the freedom of another man or woman. You have no place to hide, nor any place to claim a footing for the higher ground; your evidence is meaningless fantasy, and your non-factual reportage (‘Screaming queens’, anyone?) is merely hyperbole and cliché rolled up together in mess of incoherent vitriol. Say something important or say nothing, for goodness sake.

      1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:40am

        ….”Say something important or say nothing, for goodness sake.” how ao taking your own adve.This was as i said before an opportunist charade based on the actions of a couple of yobs who chose to carry on snogging when asked to stop. when asked again they again refused and started to loudly iterate that the management were being “homophobic” When they were forcibly ejested and their pride somewhat bruised they chose to blow it into a gay hate issue which it clearly wasn’t. Their lack of manners let them down and they chose to make a scene end of. the screaming queens on the edges of gay society then saw an opportunity for further mischief and went for it.If yu refuse to see that you are no better than the origional two yobs.

        1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:41am

          ….how about taking your own advice…..obv**

          1. Paddyswurds: You’re obviously an illiterate moron and should bury your head in your daily delivery (as I’m sure you won’t be allowed out of your ‘home’) of the Daily Mail.

          2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:10am

            …do you actually know the meaning of the word illiterate?

        2. One might, in a calm and reasonable voice, ask what is ‘snogging’, and then, assuming one receives a coherent response, what is so ‘wrong’ about snogging. The answers would be most illuminating. Please don’t try to provide answers which also apply to ‘ceviche’, ‘tea before three o’clock’, ‘adding milk to earl grey’ or ‘having a go on a lady’s tits’. By which I mean that anything you consider to be strange, unusual, irritating, disturbing, perverted, sexy, unruly, wrong, nice, small, tasty, irresistible or, indeed, any other perception that is unique to you, is best kept to the individual that perceives it: yourself. What right do you have to force your own perceptions on others, even as a way of preventing them forcing their own perceptions on you? Are your perceptions somehow superior to the rest of humanity?

          1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:12am

            ….only if you wish them or perceive them to be……If the shoe fits wear it in other words.

        3. correct…. it’s just the minority of arseholes who become ‘gay rights’ fanatics all of a sudden and who also use the equality tactic as they have been bruised as you say paddyswurds…. hopefully they will grow up and one day realize that they are not as important and influential as they once thought……… talk about spitting dummies out equality is about giving and taking whether that be criticism or appraisals ffs! they were reportedly on their ‘first date’ and were full on kissing as well which speaks volumes to me regarding etiquette etc and by god i am certainly no prude!

          1. What are you ranting about, Your comments above clearly are not related to this story at all, and are more related to your own personal hang-ups about sex and gay people in general.

            Why have you ignored the fact that this pub has never kicked a straight couple out for kissing?

            Why are you ignoring the fact that the police received several witness statements which indicated that the couple’s behaviour was not inappropriate.

            I think you need to accept that you are a prude with unhealthy sexual hang-ups, That’sa the impression you are giving off loud and clear.

          2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:18am

            . the reason there may never have been straights ejected for snogging may be in the fact that firstly it is a fcuking straight pub, and secondly maybe anyone who was asked to cool their ardour may not have caused a scene with the management as these two yobs did. And i am also not aprude of nor do i have sexual issues. I know when manners are required and have them to use as these two idiots clearly did not. Grow up ffs…..

          3. paddys manners are clearly displayed in his posts

          4. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 6:51pm

            …Hear, Hear!!

          5. And what does it say about gay people?

            That we’re actually human? Yes, because straight men and women never kiss on the first date (snog or not).

            Gay rights fanatics? Arseholes? These arseholes have been there for years being physically and verbally abused just to ensure that people like you and the other knobends on this thread have the right to live in relative freedom.

            Show some respect, you’re an arsehole.

        4. Not to stereotype, but the two people in question don’t look like your typical yobs. Nor do they have the image of a screaming queen.

          Quite frankly it’s not exactly beyond the boundaries of absurd to think, as a gay couple, that if you’re asked to stop kissing it’s because of your sexuality. Putting myself in their shoes, if it happened to me I would automatically think it was because of WHO I was kissing, not because I was kissing in the first place. And as such I would have deliberately carried on in protest. It is madness to seriously consider the possibility that the staff involved are broad minded individuals merely enforcing the same rule as they would to anyone. I just hope you’re playing devil’s advocate and are not so ignorant to see this for exactly what it is: Homophobia.

          And if it isn’t, and was a true, legitimate, regularly enforced rule that comes as standard being a patron of this particular pub then refuting these claims would have been easy. But they haven’t.

          1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:23am

            @hris …
            …they were ejected because they refused to desist and chose to confront the management. This is a straight pub and have every right to regulate the behaviour of its patrons. This is clearly not homophobia except in your simplistic opinion and reasoning..

          2. Paddy,

            I’ve responded to you on the earlier thread covering this story. I’m pretty well-acquainted with equality law; I sense that you know a thing or two about licensing law. First: without knowing more about what happened, I don’t feel competent to say whether or not the John Snow’s actiosn were discriminatory. Nevertheless, leaving that aside, for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010, it is irrelevant that the John Snow is a straight pub. Under that Act, they are obliged to treat gay and straight people equally. They can chuck them out for being loud, obnoxious, wearing jeans etc, but they can’t chuck them out for being gay. If they ejected the couple for behaviour that would not have resulted in ejection for a straight couple, they acted unlawfully.

            You have implied that there is a get-out provision in the Licensing Act (presumably 2003). I am willing to be corrected (and to read relevant sections of any Act), but this would directly contradict the Equality Act 2010.

          3. (cont’d)

            The rules of statutory construction dictate that, where a later Act of Parliament contradicts an earlier Act of Parliament, Parliament is to be taken as repealing the earlier, contradictory provision.

            So we seem to have three possibilities here:

            1 – The Licensing Act 2003 does not contain anything which contradicts the Equality Act 2010, in which case all establishments must treat gay and straight people equally;
            2 – The Licensing Act 2003 contradicts the Equality Act 2010, in which case the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 prevail (so equal treatment is required);
            3 – there is some provision in the Equality Act 2010, which I have overlooked, that gives landlords the right to discriminate against gay people in the provision of services.

            Which is it? Or have I missed other options?

            To reiterate, I write this without making any call on whether the acts of the John Snow were discrimintory.

          4. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 7:31am


            You really are two faced. How easy you throw names about to others esp if the story is about a certain religious homophobia. There’s so much hate in this world but people like you would rather focus on two peoples happiness and affection.

            What does that say about you?

          5. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 7:32am

            Prehaps the owner would have prefer a pub fight instead?

            Are these people for real?

          6. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 11:24am

            …why are you wilfully ignoring the fact that they were asked, reasonably, to cool their ardour on two occasions and then chose to confront the management and caused a scene. If straights have not been ejected for similar reasons it is quite possible that they did not confront the management and cause a scene. This has nothing whatever to do with Equality laws, only the Licenceing laws which say the landlord had every right to do what he done because of complaints. If these two cretins had done what they were asked in the first place, the ejection would never have happened. Those are the facts established by witness’s. Trying to construe it as a homophobic incident is be disingeneious in the extreme.

          7. Paddy,

            I’m struggling to see how your reply relates to my comments. I’m not wilfully ignoring anything. I have expressly said that, in light of the lack of detail, I’m undecided on whether this or not was a homophobic incident.

            In fact, if you actually read my posts, you’ll see that all I’m doing is challenging your (apparent) contention that the Licensing Act renders anti-discrimination law irrelevant in this type of situation. I’ve given you the reasons why I believe you are wrong. My argument has nothing to do with the question of whether the John Snow acted unlawfully in this instance. Now – can you tell me why my legal analysis is wrong or not?

          8. She’s saying that no-one knows what really happened so how on earth did you come to the assumption that they were ‘full-on’ bell-end.

          9. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:14pm

            …. “how on earth did you come to the assumption that they were ‘full-on’ bell-end.”
            Where did say that ….?Don’t invent stuff i didn’t say a**hole…

          10. Paddy…Rachel really does appear to have it right. Licensees/landlords do NOT have any special rights in respect of their facilities if they are attempting to exercise those rights in breach of other laws.

            A landlord may no more declare his pub a smoking friendly zone, in defiance of laws relating to smoking or an age-exempt zone and sell alcohol to 12-year-olds as wilfully ignore the Equalities Act.

            The latter requires that services be provided equally, irrespective of various protexcted characteristics, which inlcude orientation as well as gender and race.

            If – tis a big if – the landlord would have ejected a couple of straight persons who were snogging, then it is possible that he might have a defence. Otherwise, this is an offence, purely and simply.


          11. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 9:13pm

            FFS…why can’t you people get it into your thick heads. They weren’t ejected because they were gay. they were rightly, thrown out cause they caused a scene and confronted the management.

          12. Paddy, why won’t you address the points that Rachel put to you?

          13. Jock S. Trap 20 Apr 2011, 9:37am

            David S

            Because he’s only here to sh!t stir and attack, under as many names as possible.

      2. The Equality Act states clearly that goods and services must be offered to all fairly regardless of sexuality. Yet these two agent provocateurs – who consistently ignored requests to stop snogging on licensed premises – weren’t denied goods or services. They were ejected for failing to respect the ruling of the landlord on kissing in the bar who is entirely within his rights to tell them to stop, just as much as he is within his rights to tell a straight couple to get a room (a homophobic link has STILL not been established here), and to tell people in general not to stand on tables or to keep the volume of their conversation down.

        This cheap stunt by a minority of loud gay militants on high horses totally ridicules and derides ALL OF US. How dare they claim to speak for me or the other 1 million or so gay-identified people in the UK? We got the last laugh, however. The militant homosexual tends to be so jaw-droppingly ugly that most ended up without princes to kiss, just a few frogs!

        1. Hoiw to make a “William Post”

          (1) Pick any of the following, in any order at all:
          – gay militants
          – Political correctness
          – christian rights
          – homosexuals
          – agenda

          (2) Insert meaningless nonsense around it.

          (3) Repeat ad nauseam the came comment (copy and paste works well here)

          And there you have it! A classic “William Comment” in three easy to do steps!

          If that’s too much like work, just throw a load of stupid sentences together in any order and you’ll get the same effect.

          1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 9:40am


          2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 11:40am

            ….did the 600 lose their way when going to the protest, because it didn’t look like there were more than 70 or 80 silly looking beings in various stages if undress present, and the only two kissing were a couple of disguised with face paint lesbians who were persuaded to move to the door after some cajoling and gave each other a quick peck before scurrying away again. The soft porn pasted on the windows only served to make the whole charade look like the down market stunt it always promised to be. A scruffy bitchy non event that only served to make a show of the GLB community and done no one any favours.
            Finally your bitchy posting (couldn’t possibly call it a comment) above, in reply to William is an uneducated illiterate and intellectually bereft rant which only served to make YOU look a fool.

          3. Ah, shut it Paddy, we’re all sick of your incessant wining.

          4. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 6:57pm

            ….and while i am winning , what makes you think I care about what a non entity like you thinks….sheesh

          5. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:37pm

            …. i just noticed your bad spelling. Winning is as you can see spelled with two “N’s”…lol

        2. They were denied services – use of the premises is part of the pub’s service. The only question is whether the pub’s refusal to allow them to continue using its services were discriminatory.

          1. equalities act aside I think the whole thing is a good stunt anyway…it really isn’t very acceptable to walk down the street hand in hand or kiss you partner outside a “gay” place…yet it’s perfectly acceptable for straight people to do this anywhere……I’m all for more open show of “gay” affection anywhere, why not….apart from gay pubs everywhere else seems to be straight pubs, straight museums,straight parks, straight theatres, straight shops etc….we can’t show our affection very easily at all without being frowned upon and that’s not good…..have never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing, holding hands etc… there’s huge difference still and this highlights it..

          2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 11:47am

            …….”.have never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing, holding hands” Well perhaps when you grow up a bit more and your mammy allows you out more, you will see these things. In the real world straights are often told “get a room” when playing tonsil hockey in the street. I am pleased however to see that finally some of this silly element are admitting that the whole thing was a stunt. The sad thing though is that the entire GLB community will pay the price.

          3. Thanks for that fatherly advice Paddyswurds but honestly I haven’t and mum let me out a long time ago..are you really saying that 2 men kissing have the same impact as 2 straights and that the reaction is the same , that’s very doubtful and it’s very doubtful that this story comes as any surprise. The greatest impact I had when I was coming out was when I saw 2 ordinary guys kissing (hopeless romantic I guess), the more stunts like this the better, it can only do gays more good than harm. Personally I still think it sounds like blatant discrimination , probably falls under the equality act, but then again I’m not a lawyer…

          4. Re @Paddyswurds; tonsil hockey? How quaint of you. Have you also heard the term ‘gombeen’ man? Which you surely are.

          5. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 7:01pm

            ………not really , what is a gombeen man?

          6. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:40pm

            ….Ok, i am taking a little break… i have to go lend some money…….lol

    2. Paddy – time for a lesson seeing as yet again you are engaging in wilful ignorance (and possible stupidity\).

      One of the most fundamental human rights in a democracy is the freedom of assembly and the freedom to protest.

      This protest happened OUTSIDE the pub. Therefore the puib has no riight whatsoever to sue them for loss of earnings. Thejr right to free assembly and to protest far outweighs John SNow’s right to sell beer.

      Are you being deliberately stupid? Or are you just wilfully ignorant?

      1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:49am

        …we will see shant we?

      2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:07am

        ……the sheer vacousness of you comment indicates that you are hardly qualified to hurl epithets of ignorance and stupidity at anyone.
        If you are an indication of the calibre of the people involved in this stupid charade then i despair of further progress in the cause of GLB rights.
        The fact that your only comments so far have cosiisted of abuse and vitriole is clear indication of the futility of your cause.
        I am hugely ashamed that as a gay man i must be considered part of the same community as you. What a depressing thought.

        1. “I am hugely ashamed that as a gay man i must be considered part of the same community as you.”

          This is the standard response you have been using all day, to many posters, regardless of theitr comments (or was it William who said it? And are you the same person.)

          The reason I am calling you stupid, repressed and prudish is based on your comments here.
          Sex is beautiful Paddy. I know that you are an elderly Irish person and therefore, completely uncomfortable on the subject of sex, It’s never too late, Buy a sex toyu online and cheer up. Your bitterness is sad to witness.

          1. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:28am

            david why do you keep brining in sex in to the equation??? you have done with me calling me a prude amongst other things which you discussed with maria (sad) we are stating our own points but don’t need to be questioned for anything other than what we are discussing on here….. please grow up….. i enjoy sex as much as the next person (and with men only) and it is stupid comments that the likes of you and the two guys obviously craving attention did wiating for more reactions are things that will never hjelp with the so called equality system in this country…… i have been out to both friends and family long enough to realize that we should have rights but lets not blow something out of proportion!

          2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:32am

            ….you are a liar sir. I have never used that line you quoted until this instance. Saying otherwise only goes to show the weakness of your argument. I am not any other poster and when I changed my tag several months ago I indicated the change clearly for several days as “Paddyswurds formerly Boston” I have no desire or need to change my tag as I have confidence in my ability to stand up to the less intellectually astute on these threads and i have no fear of abuse from those of clearly lesser ability than me.. Actually abuse only shows me that i am probably right most of the time…..

          3. But Paddy – you do admit to being an elderly Irish person don’t you?

            I think it may be a generational thing. People of your era tend to have more hang ups about sexuality and expressions of sexuality than the younger generations (obviously this is not a hard and fast rule, but in your case it certainly applies, seeing as how reports of gay men kissing enrage you so).

          4. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:55am

            you are being ageist now david hello! earth calling david you f@@king hypocrite!

          5. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 2:02am

            … did you come to the conclusion that I was or am enraged by the idea of gay men kissing? I merely pointed out that a straight pub is not the place for overt displays of homosexuality and that the management only asked them to desist whereupon the two men in question chose to cause a scene. In what way do you construe that as me being enraged.
            Your anti Irish assertions of how the irish regard the subject of sex is so uninformed that I now find you offensive. The Irish are probably the least oppressed or repressed in terms of sex than just about any other European country and I find it rich that an Englishman should consider it so.
            England has the reputation throughout Europe as The most repressed in terms of sexuality than just about any country in the entire world except with the remote possiblity of Iran.
            And that is , before you get off on another rant , not Irish anti English rhetoric… it is a worldwide view accepted even in England itself.

      3. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:11am

        you keep calling people stupid and ignorant david you border on stirring hatred by vilifying people with these comments i am sure we could sit down and discuss this without calling people names……. well i could anyway…….

        1. Well can you please explain why you made the following statement below then?

          “i don’t do women and i loathe dykes”

          At least calling you stupid, and prudish is based on the absurd comments you have made.

          Why, pray tell, do you hate lesbians?

          What have lesbians done to you personally to cause you to hate them all?

          1. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:34am

            i don’t hate all dykes but the majority of them are loathsome……they cause the most trouble on the scene they always have…… there is a police presence on a weekend up where i live and it’s more to do with dykes glassing people and fighting amongst themselves than anybody else

          2. Well Skengaleng, why hang out on the gay scene then? If the lesbians are so dangerous and violent?

            Go to a straight bar with your dates and mates and enjoy yourselves there.

            Oh wait – you can’t relax in straight bars either – for fear of offending the straights with your homosexuality.

            Perhaps you should not go out as you seem to have trouble wherever you go.

            Have you thought about knitting?

          3. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:51am

            why hang out on the gay scene???? i don’t ‘hang out’ on the gay scene i go meet my freinds and my ex every now and again… lucky if i go once a week to be honest anyway – why do you have to try and twist things – go to a straight bar??? i dj in a straight bar on a saturday night which has a few gay people working there by the way… funnily enough my granny taught me how to knit when i was a young lad……what do you do when you aren’t on here oh i forgot you must just sleep seeing as you are in the top 10 posters ……….i am quite happy with my life thank you very much i just hate drama …………..

          4. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 2:22am

            Once I loved women, but it all went sour. They promise you things, then it all goes….. it’s like name-calling. Too much. If we could just sit down…. I think sometimes yj they’re all mocking me. Bloody fish women. Prudes? I’ll give you one for that.

        2. “Once I loved women, but it all went sour.”

          The women, or you? I’m guessing the latter.

          1. again read my comment at the bottom you freak! i never posted that comment!

          2. Suuuuuure you didn’t. All a big conspiracy, isn’t it?

      4. The protest was going to be held in the pub. It’s only the fact that they locked the bloody doors that they didnt.

      5. Here’s a lesson for you, David: “One of the most fundamental human rights in a democracy is the freedom” of thought. No one should be able to take that away from you or reprogram you to think in a conformist, group-think way. Yet that’s exactly what political correctness is doing; it is forcing society to think one way to the point where minority interests trump the mainstream concensus, and woe betide anyone who steps out of line.

        As last night’s ugly doorstep protest proved, the gay militants are trying to bully society into allowing gay people to behave with impunity. On our own scene we now have the right to spread HIV in licensed bareback clubs; now we want to force snogging into the visible mainstream without risk of rebuke. What next? Fisting on the Chanel counter at Selfridges to be made law next year?

        The deranged extremists pushing these demands represent perhaps 1-3% of all gay people. It is time the rest of us stood up and told them NOT IN OUR NAME…

        1. How to make a “William Post”

          (1) Pick any of the following, in any order at all:
          – gay militants
          – Political correctness
          – christian rights
          – homosexuals
          – agenda

          (2) Insert meaningless nonsense around it.

          (3) Repeat ad nauseam the came comment (copy and paste works well here)

          And there you have it! A classic “William Comment” in three easy to do steps!

          If that’s too much like work, just throw a load of stupid sentences together in any order and you’ll get the same effect.

          1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:07pm

            ….did the 600 lose their way when going to the protest, because it didn’t look like there were more than 70 or 80 silly looking beings in various stages if undress present, and the only two kissing were a couple of disguised with face paint lesbians who were persuaded to move to the door after some cajoling and gave each other a quick peck before scurrying away again. The soft porn pasted on the windows only served to make the whole charade look like the down market stunt it always promised to be. A scruffy bitchy non event that only served to make a show of the GLB community and done no one any favours.
            Finally your bitchy posting (couldn’t possibly call it a comment) above, in reply to William is an uneducated illiterate and intellectually bereft rant which only served to make YOU look a fool.

          2. Snore. Paddy again…. whine, whine, whine. You sounds like a lawnmower, how’s about giving us all a break, eh?

          3. Love it

        2. gosh and there was I thinking it was only a protest about a simple kiss …

    3. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 7:27am

      “A small group of screaming queens intent on causing trouble and strife”

      Erm really?

      As opposed to the recent protests we have seen where people ‘causing trouble and strife’ has been to start fires, smash up property, disrupt innocent people shopping, banking. See I saw none of that.

      The only people to blame for the lose of any earnings are those who run the pub. No-one else. Equality laws are here for a reason. They protect. If people want to get petty over a couple showing affection then more pity them but don’t expect others to not protest against it.

      Shut the place down for all I care or at least give the place to people who don’t discriminate.

    4. Staircase2 19 Apr 2011, 1:23am

      The brewery cant sue them for ‘loss of business’. The pub took the decision to close – it was not ‘closed’ down by the protesters.

      1. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:29am

        Excellent point Staircase2!

    5. Mark Healey 19 Apr 2011, 2:53pm

      I don’t know if you were there Paddy but there were hundreds of people there, the area around the pub was packed with people. Some kissing, some taking photos and a lot of people watching what was going on. Don’t forget it was a three hour event, with people arriving throughout the evening including those who tried to change the nature of the kiss-in and turn it more into some sort of street protest. Even when we walked back through the area on our way home after a few drinks in the Kings Arms there were still quite a few people in the area. All in all it was a good event, and got some good media coverage.

  3. ‘One protester pinned a rainbow flag to the door frame of the pub, while others posted flyers of men in varying states of undress to the windows. Another man held a placard saying “I want to blow you all” in large letters with “(a small kiss)” written much smaller below.’ Posting flyers hmmm where did i hear that before POT KETTLE BLACK you should all be ashamed of your selves. Get a life FFS!

    1. And the next protest is next Wednesday.

      You Skengaleng have every right to sit at home lamenting your bitter virginity, while writing letters of outrage to the Daily Heil.

      1. He could always join them, his penis clad in a rainbow of exciting lipstick shades and hope to get lucky. They do say that once you’ve got laid the world kind of settles out into shades of grey rather than this demented black and white he seems to be viewing it in.

        1. Perfect, Maria, perfect!

        2. Yes but eviidently – judging by his reactions – he thinks sex is bad, and should only happen in a marriage bed between a man and a woman both of whom are clad neck to toe in sackcloth (except for a hole cut out near the crotch area )where the man can mount the lady, missionary style, in the hope of impregnating her.

          1. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:05am

            i don’t do women and i loathe dykes maria

          2. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:57am

            exactly you have nothing better to do with your life than play games have you??

        3. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:42am

          look man hater i am not straight…. bet you have been with guys though judging by the lipstick comment and the laid comment you freak!

          1. I do believe I win. Thank you for playing. If you ever want to enter the world of the grown-up boys, I’m sure someone on here can arrange to have your cherry popped for a favourable price. Much love; x.

          2. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 7:35am

            Don’t bank on it!!


          3. Oh goodie – a gay man who hates lesbians! They’re my favourite type of bigot! I’m also partial to lesbians who hate gay men. Know any of those? Oops, asking the wrong person there, aren’t I?

        4. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 2:03am

          win what????? why don’t you get a life and stop playing pathetic games then?????? and regarding popping my cherry – if i was a virgin what would be the matter with that anyway…. there is only one winner here and it’s not you or david by a long shot…… by the way were either of you at the protest

          1. It wasn’t you, was it? That bloke I snogged with the bad breath?

          2. i think it was me. A skanky dyke grabbed me and before i could stop her she had stuck her toung half way down to my stomach. It tasted of rotten fish and now i am throwing up every few minutes you filthy pig. I am on the second bottle of listerene and the smell is still there. If i can find you i will do you for assault, dirty friggin dike.

          3. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:25pm

            @ Steve…..
            ….and don’t come home here till you are decontaminated. You promised you wouldn’t go to that charade. Ithink a visit to Bond St is in order. a nice Louis V man bag may just help to quell my anger…kissing dykes….. yeuwww !!

          4. sorry hun, but i wasn’t really at the protest.Sum skank grabbed me as i was going to the Hotel. I really am sick and your no being helpful. xx see ye 2moro i hope

          5. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:42pm

            ….i hope thats the truth. Oh and you better not lose my iPad or you needn’t come back and don’t be using my accounts. you have your own. You wer on my MSN account too …Are you on something….

          6. Oh, look. Another conversation between two “different” people.


          7. Why did Paddyswurds’ avatar appear also on ”Steve’s” post? You’ve been rumbled Paddy you sad c88t.

          8. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 7:14pm

            @CMYB ……’
            …..cause he is using my iPad , idiot

          9. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 7:18pm

            …..did PN ban your “rapture” tag ….I wonder why??

          10. You’re the only one posting under different names here Paddy, you sad c88t.

  4. Hypocrisy rears it’s ugly head every time!

    1. Indeed – the John Snow has NEVER thrown a straight couple out for kissing, despite it being a regular occurrence, Therefore they can expect ongoing protest for the moronic stupidity of their management staff.

      1. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:02am

        how do you know that smartypants???

        1. Playground language really shows you for what your are…..

          1. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:06am

            what like your name????? my name is thomas what does thom mean????

          2. Please, use English here, skengaleng. Its an English speaking website.

      2. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 7:39am

        I’ve seen plenty of people in there snogging with not so much as an eyelid batting. Most straight but some men too.

        Newflash some people kiss on greeting. Some people may snog. I think there is far worse things worthy of such bitterness but seriously should this be one of them.

        Love and friendship should be promoted, no matter who it is not stamped on.

  5. Well said Maria!

    1. I’ll second that!

  6. Samuel Smiths – the Yorkshire based brewery who own the JOhn Snow – is clearly completely ouit of its depth when it comes to managing this controversy.

    f they had the remotest intelligence or business acumen they would have done the following yesterday.

    1,Issued an apology to the couple for the hypocritical and homophobic behaviour of the bar staff

    2. Sacked the staff in question

    3. Promise that it would not happen again.

    Instead they have point blank refuised to comment and have shut the bar, giving the impression that they are backward hicks that probably should not be located in Soho.

    I mean even if they had attended lesson number 1 in ‘PR for Dummies’ they’d know their current policy is a PR disaster for them.

    1. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:03am

      what do you do for a living then?????? teach your granny to suck eggs?????

      1. Playground language really shows you for what your are…..

        1. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 1:19am

          shut it thom you like david don’t know me and never will so button it

          1. We know that you hate lesbians Skengaleng,

            You made the following statement:

            “i don’t do women and i loathe dykes”

            You have openly admitted your homophobia.

            Anything you say will be read oin the understanding that you are a self-admitted homophobe.

          2. Skengaleng, how else are we to know you but through your words? You’re a mysogenistic, anti-lesbian poorly-crafted wordsmith who can’t express himself adequately and thus resorts to infantile morality and juvenile jibes. There is little intelligence in your statements, and what intelligence there is is poorly matched by the intellect behind them. You assume, belittle and denigrate, and thus engender a position of intransigent certainty with no real foundation. Your certainty of your moral foundation is suspect simply because you constantly fail to defend it, choosing instead to attack the morality of others. I ask, as I have already done so twice tonight, why you are so certain that your moral grounds are correct. How do you know that what you believe is right is right? It’s a simple question, with no simple answer. Have a go – you seem simple, if you’ll forgive me for one last jibe.

          3. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:28pm

            ….dont respond to their illiterate shyte. Speak above them because they then wont know what you are saying about them…..

          4. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 7:16am


            I’ve strongly suspected you are also skengaleng. You ain’t fooling anybody. Your nothing but a fraud. I’m just wondering how many others being that you seem to love being nasty and stirring sh!t.

      2. Er, mysoginistic yes, but homophobic? How did you draw that conclusion?

        1. I’m a bit behind the times, that’s all. I’m in the sixties, sex-wise. I like to spread a bit of cock about, but not admit it. Alright?

          1. Why would I answer my own comment, cretin?
            Stop putting words in other people’s mouths.
            If youve got something to say, at least have the backbone to use your own name and not somebody elses.

  7. I don’t know why this theme in particular summons the attack of the hateful homophobic troll/s. I guess someone is affected in a personal level and chose this media to vent his rage. Sadly the moderation is slow to act. I thought Britain had an anti hate crime law that could be used even for those internet trolls. It would be so nice to see the one around here facing some sobering reality at the justice.

    1. I think the important thing here is to realise that people are entitled to find anything to be distasteful. I, for example, may be unduly distressed by those lacy toilet-roll covers one finds in guesthouses. I am allowed to be as distressed as I wish by them, to the point of apoplexy if need be. However – do I have the right to stop the landlady covering her toilet rolls? Do I even have the right to mention it? The first is a given no, the second is merely freedom of speech. She, thusly, has the right to tell me to get lost. Such is how logic and philosophy win the day, and why the grizzled old warhorses above can snuggle back into their cosy gay caves and lament us young folk ever daring to step out and declare our rights. Grandpappys: one day you’ll step out into a bright new day and tell your grandkids about the proud pioneers who made all this possible. Oh… wait: no grandkids. Why don’t you tell the rent boys you hire to fill the gaps, then? Ah – the moment of catharsis!

      1. Hate has a relentless manner to consume the hater from inside. Love has a resilient manner to protect the lover from inside, too. That’s why haters have the war already lost, battle, after battle, after battle. Little by little, haters feel surrounded and boil in desperation crying out even louder for a support that can’t incite empathy. Logic can be a bitch, especially for the haters.
        I guess Elton John’s son will have a wonderful story to tell their sons about how grandpa helped to fight for the equality of all. Ah, you gotta love technology when paired with human rights.

      2. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 7:43am

        True people are entitled to find anything distasteful but one has to question if people thing two men kissing is them how do they feel about a 4 year old child being shot?

        Why do people find anything to whinge about? Love, happiness, friends are not distasteful. They should be encouraged if only more people actually took their heads out of there asses to see the light, prehaps they could stop making everyone else as miserable as them.

  8. Idiots protesting…. But the owner have right also kick out anybody from his establishment. Period!

    1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 7:45am

      True but there has to be a valid reason not a discriminating one.

      1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:46pm

        Yes. they made a scene when asked TWICE to desist. that is a perfectly valid reason under the Licencing Act 2003.

    2. Putting the word “Period!” in your comment does not make it correct, just makes you look like a petulant fool., If you know anything about the law you’d know that.

      1. You are an asshole with a perverted mind, and, logically, I am looking for you in perverted perspective.

        1. Please, write in English, Rich, I don’t speak your dialect of ‘Pigeon English for the retarded’

          Like being on gay site do you? Get a thrill out of it, do you? All those dirty little thoughts that you have. Get to rub one off but think you’re standing up to “the queers”? Pathetic.

          But do tell, did the doctors let you use a computer, or did you steal it form the other patients?

          1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 12:54pm

            …. if you are going to preach about the English language, make sure your own efforts are faultless, Anthony, especially spelling.
            ‘Pigeon English for the retarded’ I was unaware that pigeons spoke English…however if you meant Pidgin you should have said so.

          2. You again. Yawn. Run along, bitchy, grown ups are talking.

          3. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 7:28pm

            … what are you doing on here then…..??

        2. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 10:24am

          Ironic name Rich!!

          1. Jock S. Trap, you should see the laughable comments that twat left on the “aggressive new chlamydia strain” thread. Oh, mercy, the man is a complete moron! I’m still giggling at his stupidity. I would be mortified to show that level of idiocy in public.

          2. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 10:47am

            I know. Another irony really. He thinks he can say as much thinking himself and people like him are immune.

            Then don’t get why there’s a problem.

  9. Stonewall inn 28th of June 1969
    John Snow pub 15th of April 2011

  10. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 6:40am

    So tens of thousand have died in Japan with hundreds of thousands misplaced.

    Hundreds, possibly thousands being killed trying to free their countries from vicious dictators fighting and protesting for freedom.

    Four children have died in London this year BY children.

    A man has been charged for shooting a 5 year old girl.

    There is so much hate in this world and yet we have people making such a fuss because two people showing some affection and happiness?


    Live and Let Live.

    1. Helen Wilson 16 Apr 2011, 8:18am

      Two people kissing is a beautiful thing it makes the world a better place be you gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor, 60 or 16, able bodied or disabled you can improve the world by showing some love not hate.

      If you want to see something disturbing then goto into the seedy side of Soho tonight as its full of Manchester United and Manchester City football fans waiting to go through the doorways and up the stairs to visit the so called models!!!!! You wont see too much love in Soho tonight or tomorrow night thanks to the football yobs. You are more likely to get assaulted than kissed.

      We don’t see people trying to stop the yobs from sexually exploiting women, no Stephen Green Christian Voice protest in Soho tonight. Yet two men on a first date dare to have a first kiss in public and the world falls apart.

      1. Helen – “Two people kissing is a beautiful thing it makes the world a better place be you gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor, 60 or 16…”

        What an over-generelisation and a perfect example of how PC is coercing society through force to all think one way. Yes, Helen, I agree 100% with you that two people kissing of any combination of sex is a truly wonderful, nay, beautiful thing. But you cannot force other people to agree with you. Some people find watching others kissing uncomfortable for whatever number of reasons, some psychological, some religious, whatever. We also need to respect their right to not be offended.

        Of course people should have the right to greet and depart with a peck on the cheek, but not full-scale tonsil tickling if you please. The two pub lovebirds were so wrapped up in each other they were too selfish to consider the impact of their behaviour on everyone else in the pub, and ignored requests to stop.

        Cue the militant tirade of invective…

        1. William Tirade Word bingo:

          “militant tirade” – tick
          “PC” – tick
          “coercing society” – tick
          “religious” – tick


          1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:03pm

            …have you any intelligent comment to make on the story this thread is about? So far all you have done is hurl abuse and act as if you are still in junior school playground. You are clearly intellectually bereft.

          2. At least I don’t need to pretend to be Steve…. but not smart enough to even do THAT well. So, be careful who you accuse of stupidity you sad freak.

          3. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 7:34pm

            @Tny ….
            ….if you had the brains of a goose you would have realised he was using my account on my iPad which he has with him…..!!

        2. We don’t respect people’s right not to be offended. No rights for hurt feelings, or more ludicrouslt religious beliefs. Whose feelings should count more than others? How do you decide that?

          The bottom line: people are different. That’s why other people’s opinion on homosexuality of displays of affection between people of the same sex do not count. There are many ways of live ing a good life. Everybody needs afftection. And nobody is harmed by kissing.

          By your logic, women should cover up and wear the burka, in case we offend a tiny minority of fundamentalist nutters. Where do you draw the line william,?

          1. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 10:43am

            Prehaps all Gay men will be forced to wear the burka to make us sexless and stop that damn affection stuff in public.

          2. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:23pm

            …actually i find the burka and insult to men in general, because the premis behind it is that any man catching sight of the woman inside it is liable to be inflamed by lust and would attempt to violate her. The very idea have you seen middle eastern women without the burka thingy. They are, for the most part, probably the ugliest women on the planet. Perhaps that is the real reason for their men insisting they wear it. Imagine having to look at those ugly frog mugs 24/7….

      2. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 9:47am

        Here, Here Helen!!

        Much rather see Love in this world than hate.

        Who would have though the Love and happiness of kissing who create such hatred.

  11. Peter & Michael 16 Apr 2011, 7:32am

    We had a gay couple in our local pub, were holding hands under the table, someone complained and the gay couple were asked to leave by the licensee, this was reported to the police and they attended the pub the following day. The licensee was informed that her actions in asking the gay couple to leave was against the law!

    1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:18pm

      @P & M……
      ……..How has your little anecdote any relevance. You obviously haven’t been keeping up.
      These two yobs were asked twice, after a customer had complained, to cool their ardour. They then confronted the management and played the “gay discrimination card” and caused scene and it is at that point they were asked to leave the “straight” pub as were the straight couple who joined their little charade. That is probably why the police haven’t told the management in this case that they done anything illegal because they clearly haven’t. Those are the clearly established facts in the case and are comfirmed by witness’s.

      1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 2:25pm

        Blimey, you seem to have all the facts before the police. You made judgement and found guilty.

        Yet what part of this couple do you summarise as ‘yobs’?

        Why have you excluded the straight witnesses who have supported the couple?

        How did they play the ‘Gay discrimination card’?

        The list goes on…

        Your pathetic. Discrimination is NOT acceptable. Just because your happy hiding and not being seen don’t assume everyone should follow suit. Personally, thank Gaga for ALL those who have the guts to stand up to hate.

        It’s just ashame that those that have the guts also have to stand up to the hate within the Gay community to fight for our Freedoms. Without those brave people you certainly wouldn’t have your freedoms but then prehaps thats what your all about, keeping the LGBT community as second class citizens.

        Luckily you are a very small in number.

        1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 7:44pm

          @Jock strap….
          ….”Yet what part of this couple do you summarise as ‘yobs’?” Jonathans left testicle and Jamies nose you ignorant moron….sheesh… the level of illiteracy on this thread is astounding. Where on earth did you go to school and why did they not teach you English?? I’d protest and possibly sue the Education Minister if i were you Jock. Maybe even get a spelling bee going. That should be fun except you would have to keep your clothes on.

          1. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 7:20am

            Note the avoidance of the questions, peeps! Just slagging off.

  12. musclelad23 16 Apr 2011, 8:59am

    If anything this has proven homophobia is alive and well in the uk and to all those living in a bubble with fingers firmly implanted to into ears should wake up and smell the coffee.

    An example of a comment on the article about this event posted at the guardian.. whos readership is majority white and “liberal” –

    “It is not illegal but is is disgusting. It is also disgusting that many people are revolted by this kind of behaviour but are made to feel somehow ashamed for admitting that they believe homosexuality to be aberrant. Live and let live should be symmetrical.”

    there were many more comments like this although alot of them have been deleted thankfully. But the praise and agreement they were recieving actually turned my blood cold. We should make a point to kiss as much in public as possible, maybe even have a day in honour of it. If it makes some straight men “physically ill” then they need to see it happen over and over again until they accept it.

    1. The UK is virulently homophobic , london especially increasingly so. Overt , violent homophobia has become increasingly acceptable and covert homophobia purported by the “phoney liberal” brigade is practically innate with that lot. I agree with your point of trying to desensitize bigots by displays of gay affection , but even looking at the comments left on this story , we have enemys within our own community who think we should not be affectionate in public. My fella and i went last night to soho to show support but we decided to kiss on the tube on the way, not anything too passionate for quintessintial , stereotypical , uptight english sensitivities. Anyhow there was either filty looks , mumblings of disapproval or was called “dirty chi chi men” by some trocalydyte. Anyone who thinks this ia a even tolerant city is a complete idiot.

    2. Ooh musclelad23, a militant gay at just 23. And there was I thinking the sort of garbage you just spouted was the sort of ill-thought out insane intolerance uttered from a dying breed on 1980s revolutionaries. I’ll be sure to look out for you at the front of the next Pink Parade with your whistle, rainbow ribbons and sequinned disco pants.

      1. Oh, another William Tirade Word bingo game. Love it.

        “militant gay” – tick
        “1980s revolutionaries” – tick
        “garbage” – tick

        But no “PC” or “agenda”….. ohhh, hard luck. No bingo here. Please play again.

      2. musclelad23 16 Apr 2011, 9:51am

        So your attacking me for… what.. being 23 and actually caring about issues that effect my own community?

        At pride you will probably find me scowling at how corporate and vacuous the whole affair is compared to the days of the 1970 – 80s revolutionaries and activists.. who if it wern’t for, I might just be locked up for sodomy or fired for being gay, or unable to have a civil partnership.

        I’m failing to see what your point is.

        1. William doesn’t have one. He just repeats the same low brow uneducated nonsense time after time. Like a broken record. One that should be thrown out in lieu of some decent schooling.

          1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:24pm

            @ Tony…..
            …..hopefully a better school than the one you attended, eh? Oh, sorry you didn’t attend, you were hanging out at the local slot machine parlor selling blow jobs for a £1 a go or was it 50p?.

      3. Yes you’ll be looking out alright like the spectater u are , safely at the back of the crowd/closet .

    3. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 9:51am

      Ironic is it?

      So much hate on our street and it’s treated like an everyday thing.

      Two men kisssing in public, greeting being happy, loving, caring and it’s treated even worse.

      I’d rather see a trillion men kissing, even snogging in public than one 5 year old girl being shot!

      1. i agree ,me too, you know the old cliche make love not war rings true.

        1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 10:48am

          Indeed rapture, Indeed!!

          1. No wonder Jock play’s life’s eternal “Woe poor me” victim. He lives in an dreamworld where he imagines everyone snogging, holding hands and whispering sweep nothings is one anothers’ ears.

            Reality check time: life’s not like that. It is made up of a kalaiedoscope of colours with various shades within those same colours and shades within those shades. Indeed it is THAT what makes life so wonderful – that we are all different and don’t conform to the same thought and belief systems. That we are all different and have our own thoughts, inclinations, likes, dislikes, etc., some good, some bad, but hey that’s life!

            The real tragedy here is that there will always be extremists within any subset of society who want to inflict their ways and beliefs on the majority, be it the militant gay fringe or the radicalised wing of Islam. How ironic, and somewhat rich, that we have become undistinguishable from our own oppressors in that respect. Same sh*t, just a different hole.

          2. Super, another game!

            Lets go, pens to the ready!

            “victim” – TICK!
            “militant gay” – TICK!
            “extremists” – TICK!
            “radicalised wing of Islam” – TICK! (Bonus new expression)
            “dreamworld” – TICK!

            BINGO! Oh, wonderful! We all win again! Thanks for playing folks!

            Tune in next time when William smashes his ape paws once again on the keyboard for another fun gay of William’s Idiot Bingo!

          3. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 11:16am

            And yet isn’t it funny that anyone who disagrees with you is branded as a “Woe poor me” victim. Then you want to lecture of differences.

            We get it you’d rather see misery, a martyr to it. With misery comes misery I guess.

            It’s so ironic that you brand others victims then use threads to say how hard done by you’ve been.

            Trouble is staying in that closet is clearly shielding you from reality but then it’s not like your actually Gay is it, just pretending to be to ‘try and somehow connect’. You’ve failed. We see through you.

            As for you, maybe if you brought your head out of your arse you’d see the light but then with you it’s more Same Sh!t, Same Asshole!

          4. “Then you want to lecture of differences.”

            William doesn’t lecture, he repeats. Like a parrot.

          5. musclelad23 16 Apr 2011, 1:27pm

            It’s like William discovered some piece of sh*te, daily mail opinion piece generator, clicked enter and then all the populist middle england diarrhea just spews forth. He’ll be going on about travellers next..

            go away you sad old tool.

          6. pads/willie they all the same , don’t even bother typing a response above their heads just tell em what they are, sh*t!

          7. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 7:22am


            It’s getting confusing and pointless. It’s time for Pink News to stop multiple nicknames or at least route out the sh!t stirrers. It can’t be that difficult to do.

          8. Agreed i’m sure i’ve had an imposter already , i can be emulated but never equalled , anyhow you know its me with the atrocious spelling/grammer, sorry for my dislexia i’m trying. otherwise sort it out pn …

    4. “We should make a point to kiss as much in public as possible, maybe even have a day in honour of it. If it makes some straight men “physically ill” then they need to see it happen over and over again until they”

      I agree, and if straight men are made to feel sick and disgusted, it’s their problem and not ours.

      This is not about “Gay Rights”. If people are not comfortable with two men kissing, this is a problem for all men regardless of sexual orientation.

      This is really about the emancipation of all men

      1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 12:33pm


        Maybe this is what it takes. Most having the guts to kiss in public to get the public to see that it just as normal. We can’t change things usless we stand up to it. Only then will people see this as ‘every day’ stuff Just like straight couples kissing.

        My hubby and I have no problem kissing in public, nor any of my friends, including my straight ones so…

        1. musclelad23 16 Apr 2011, 1:16pm

          People won’t like this comparison, but I don’t care.

          Alot of people were once “offended” by the sight of black people sitting at the front of the bus.

          It took one brave woman, Rosa parks, to make a stand and say I am a human being, I have every right to sit here just like you do.

          This isn’t about kissing or snogging in a “lewd” manner, they were having a soft kiss. So many people are saying “I CANT STAND ANY PUBLIC AFFECTION” as an excuse to mask there homophobia. The truth is when other straight people are at they dont even notice. something called straight privelage.

          Let me be frank.. many gay people are terrified to even kiss there friends hello or hold hands if it’s the wrong area. I myself was chucked out of a taxi a few years ago for holding hands with another bloke. We need more people like these two. Kiss, hold hands, be dignified.. and show them that some people are gay – get the F*** over it.

          1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 3:01pm

            Totally agree with you musclelad23.

            I must admit over the years when I met my friends some of the straight ones kinda stepped back at first but over the years they just accept thats me, it’s not sexual it’s just a greeting. I’ve heard a few of em over the years when asked “Oh thats just Jock” and thats it. They accept that is me.

            It amazes me that people who find such a friendly affectionate greeting as something threatening. personally I can think of much more threatening behaviour and kissing in public is hardly on of them.

            Too many people get their assholes in a knot over the most stupidest of things.

            To them I have this simple message:- Take a chill pill, Dude.

          2. touche to u n jock , we need more gays with a backbone firstly, i’ve had quite a few homophobic incidents for just being in love. and it sux! but i will never stop doing what feels right at the right time , i know the boundaries of being obscene and being seen ,as would apply to straight couples also, but they do not get the same disgust or aggro as we do because ultimately we are a vulnerable , persecuted minority (i’m betting we have some looks like tarzon sounds like jane guys denying the obvious), not matter what anyone says.

          3. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 7:24am

            Here, Here, rapture.

  13. I’m disgusted by the lack of support for this gay couple and lgbt equality on this forum. I could be on a thread for the BNP going by some of the self loathing , homophobic , uptight gays leaving comments, some actually calling the couple “yobs”.

    1. Helen Wilson 16 Apr 2011, 9:28am

      Half of it is the same troll using multiple identities.

      1. Agreed. Its the same garbage, under many names. There is one sad lonely little freak out there that was inadvertently given access to the internet.

        1. Yes agreed , hope they drop dead. one less bigot in the world.

          1. And one less fool.

      2. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 10:51am

        I agree Helen, I think that is the main problem here. It’s not lots of different people but more like different nicknames with a lot less people.

    2. I’ve had posts using my name. Pink news better sort it out or the site will be full of trolls

      1. Paddyswurds probably. One hand on his shrivelled inert elderly knob and the other on the ‘add comment’ button on this site, its like second guessing someone with dementia as to which name he’ll post something troll-esque under.

        1. haha, i was thinking inverted knob though . I must have scarred him , i’m trying to bring him out of his closet again, but i guess i was too rough with him before, now he is running from me , poor little pu*sy

    3. I agree. But we feed them, its always the usual culprits…especially Paddy.
      But what really makes me laugh Paddy is the first to scream vacuously and incoherently ‘…racist fascist’ when there’s a debate about certain religious issues but when it comes to real LGBT rights he’s sounds like a some backward, far right, gay hating hick who thinks we should not be seen or heard outside of our ghettos’s.
      I fully support the protest actions (and any on going) on the John Snow and think we should by default (sheer numbers) now turn it into a ‘gay pub’…!

      1. pads is a fantasist troll and he’s a racist homophobe . he hates english men , probably too many knock backs. Anyhow the guy is a a toilet.

        1. Paddy is one of those sad individuals who thinks by prostrating himself to the whims of bigots he will somehow be redeemed in their eyes. Like William. If they can’t put up, they should shut up, and let real gay people continue to stand up for themselves.

        2. I was gonna say he was a c..t but you summed it up better.

    4. They have a lot of support.

      It’s 1 or 2 people leavoinmg these nonsensical posts.

      1. in your dreams fu@k face

  14. skengaleng 16 Apr 2011, 9:37am

    to maria (the Shakespeare of today) – not everybody is interested in the eclectic style you write your replies – obviously you think you are something else and yes you are certainly that it is not a gift just somebody who uses a thesaurus and no i am not simple as you put it you seem to really enjoy name-calling people you sad woman and david stop posting stupid comments on here using my alias – re: skengaleng 7 hours ago Report Reply

    Once I loved women, but it all went sour. They promise you things, then it all goes….. it’s like name-calling. Too much. If we could just sit down…. I think sometimes yj they’re all mocking me. Bloody fish women. Prudes? I’ll give you one for that.

    check out the ip address pn as it certainly isn’t mine!

    sad and bitter

    and judging by the minds of these two poor creeps i shall no longer even bother with this news page

    1. “Bloody fish women.”

      What a bitter little bitch you are. Grow up.

      1. if you read the comment properly, you will realize that i never posted that you retard i re-posted what some sad loser wrote using my alias so get your facts right before making a fool of yourself sigh

        1. Oh, yeah, sure, its soooooo obvious, since the rest of your “real” comments are so laced with intellect and fact.

  15. This whole incident reminds me of the film “Rashamon” in as much as depending on your subjective viewpoint you can project any number of alternate interpretations onto it.
    Scenario 1. Jonathon and Jamie were getting quite heavy, tongues were involved as well as lots of heavy petting. When asked to desist by the landlady (in essence a way of saying “get a room”) they upped the anti and were chucked out in a way that was consistant to the pubs policy on straight people getting overly intimate.
    Scenario 2. Jonathon and Jamie were minding their own business, gave each other a fairly restrained peck on the lips/ cheek and were immediately confronted by a bolshy homophobe landlady who demanded they stop because Gary from Richmond complained (and Gary isn’t a big fan of the gays either). When they asserted their right to continue the landlady calls in the heavies and chucks them out for no good reason.
    Scenario 3: Somewhere between scenario 1 and Scenario 2

    1. …which is why I haven’t commented on this one much. I simply don’t have all the facts. Even the eyewitnesses can’t seem to agree on who the wrongdoers were.
      And having been chucked out of a gay bar for applauding at the end of the wrong verse of a kareoke performance before now (something I wouldn’t have taken offence over if the roles were reversed), I know just how subjective this kind of stuff can be.
      I only hope they taped the whole thing on the security cameras because I honestly don’t know who’s in the wrong here.

      1. I think this pub was wrong – its in Soho for a start.. but I think we (gays) should choose our venues carefully if we want to do what straight couples do.
        A few years ago we were with some straight friends in Nandos in Staines (we were visiting them and going to the movies!). There was a really young gay couple, maybe 17 yrs with some friends in Nandos snogging and being way over the top. We were both uncomfortable, (a) cos’ it was Staines, but also there were a lot of families in there. A family complained and a staff member went up and asked them to stop. Which they did (kind of). Half of me was incensed and wanted to ask them if they’d asked a straight couple to stop, other half understood completely.
        The point I’m trying to make is most of us would use our judgment to what is a ‘safe’ and ‘appropriate’ environment and what isn’t. A family fast food restaurant in the outer suburbs = stupid, a boozer in heart of gay village Soho = exceptable.

        1. I think you’re right, the location has some bearing on it for sure, but is the landlady just as prudish about straight people snogging?
          And of course one person’s peck on the lips is another person’s tonsilectomy!
          Personally I only feel comfortable publicly snogging my other half in a certified gay bar, maybe on Canal st, but I have seen straight couples late at night in Manchester’s Trafford Centre trying to acheive a full-on knee-trembler on the foodcourt upper balcony right in full view of the Saturday cinema crowd… naturally they were chucked out pretty quick!
          I think there has to be a line in the sand somewhere…

        2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 1:43pm

          …..”heart of gay village Soho = exceptable.” exactly what does this mean?
          It is simply unacceptable that the level of education coming out of our schools today should be allowed to continue, except of course that it is probable that a lot of the commentators on these threads simply were too thick to reach an acceptable level of proficiency.

  16. @Paddy – you sound like a self-hater – they weren’t yobs etc either
    It is excellent that there was a protest
    There’s too many idiots about plus if you don’t like kisses then don’t look at it

    1. Paddy is one of those sad individuals who thinks by prostrating himself to the whims of bigots he will somehow be redeemed in their eyes. Like William. If they can’t put up, they should shut up, and let real gay people continue to stand up for themselves.

      1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 2:12pm

        …… reposting rubbish verbatum only serves to make you look more idiotic than anyone thought possible.

        What exactly is a self hater? I have been gay since i was 12 years old and been out since I was 17. I have had three long term gay relationships and one ongoing
        Innumerable and ongoing long term liasons ie; men with whom i have “fun” without being in exclusive relationships, some of whom are married.
        I am an educated successful gay man who attended Ivy league university in the USA. I have travelled to and visited 143 countries before I was 30.
        I and have numerous gay and straight friends rangeing from late teens to late 90s. Homophobic? I don’t think so.
        I started a computer business at 40 and am fully computer literate and am present on 3 social networks accessed daily.
        On what level do you think your description of me is consistent with the preceding. I think a lifetimes experience makes me qualified to decide what is and what is not a yob.

        1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 3:15pm

          Wow, after reading that it begs the question…

          What happened in your life to make you so hateful?

          Ya’d think with all that in your life you would have been more open minded and learned from the pleasure of life and all it brings into a fullfilling 60+ years. Yet all you seem to do when you come here is spew such nasty bitterness. Attacking all who dare disagree with you. Not really like even those who do agree with you.

          Not being funny but that doesn’t suggest a life of experiences, of learning what the world has to offer.

          They say in order to love oneself you have to love yourself. Or at least like yourself.

          All you do it hate. Everything, everyone so I have to conclude you must hate yourself.

          There we have the answer of “What exactly is a self hater?”… Clealy you.

          1. Paddy – did you support Apartheid in South Africa? If not why on why do you think that gays should only be ‘gay’ and do gay things in gay pubs/bars/establishments? and when I say ‘gay things’ I mean – kiss and be affectionate. You are basically saying – LGBGT people can only be accepted in their own areas!

        2. Paddy, shut it you spineless cretin…. or should we call you Steve? You fcuking moron.

          1. i put pads in his place before and told him what he/they were now he/they avoid/s me , great!

          2. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:42am

            @Rapture/cymb etcetc….
            …yea right….

        3. Please Paddy, stop posting your vicious rants. It’s embarrassing.

          1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 8:11pm

            Yawn…. Didn’t really expect anything better from you three or is all just “rapture”

          2. @pads , paranoia enveloping u. i’m watching u now bitch!

          3. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:45am

            @rap or whatever you are…
            … couldnt watch yourself never mind me…..Get a life creep….sheesh

          4. NO pads i won’t let you suck my c**k , i would’nt even p*is on you if you burst into flames in front of me.

          5. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 7:28am

            “Get a life creep” Just the one?

            Hilarious considering it looks likes like on here Paddys.. has been using many names.

          6. @jock ta for getting my back, but look at my post up a bit, trust me anyone would know my personal style of writing, but pn should hurry up n sort out all the paddyswurds desperate to be us.

          7. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 8:21am

            Oh it’s been noted rapture.

          8. Eddy (the one from 2007 - 2010) 17 Apr 2011, 8:17pm

            “Eddy”, please could you add the first letter of your surname to your name on these boards, please.

            People might think your messages have been written by me.

      2. Please define “real” gay people.
        You mean “real” as in left-wing, anti-tory, anti-establishment, Guardian-reading, Hush-puppy wearing socialist vegans?
        Fcuk off. The only thing that defines us is what we do in bed, so quit with the “self-loathing” bollocks just because we don’t fit with your definition of what a faggot should be.

        1. I thought a faggot was a Scottish dish, not a sexual identity!


          1. Jock S. Trap 20 Apr 2011, 9:41am

            Dunno but I know some dishy Scots with some impressive… Oh apparently that doesn’t count.

  17. people who are trying to excuse the pub and defend someones right to be offended by gays forget that 20 odd years ago that right to be offended by gays would mean that somebody would be punched (and not just ask) and then thrown out on the street and to top it all ignored by the police. it is precisley why uk has Equality Act, so we dont have to look for signs asking no dogs and no gays, uk is lucky to have this much protection, we gays in other countries can only dream about that level of equality, dont listen to paddy or william they dont know a thing about what it means to be discriminated, selfserving opinonated loud queens, and i dont mean people protesting outside pub last night

  18. I wish I’d been there to see it, I love to see petty rules and bigots forced to see what they are. Shame some of the posters here aren’t as troubled by others injustice though.

  19. it all seems to me that gay community can only speak out loud when they feel safe, if you also read the news about 30-ish people attending the east london pride not long ago. shall i say it’s pathetic?

    1. east london pride was marred by edl politics, so it wasnt just about homophobia, in this case we have blantat disregard for Equality Act, with owners hiding behind their right to eject anyone they wish and its about soho and what it means to gay people

      1. suppose the bar owner is muslim (merely fictional as i know true muslims aren’t allowed to drink) and several people in the kiss protest are linked to edl, would there be so many people protesting or would there even be a protest at all? do you agree that it’s a way to block anti-homophobic protests?

        1. these two incidents are so different that to make the point you resort yourself to a near impossible fictional scenario

          1. it’s really laughable to believe in no scenario would muslims throw out gay men from whatever place they own. bars are no different from hotels, restaurants, supermarkets etc when the Equality Act takes effect. however, some people would rather blindly believe there’s no such situation, even if the british muslims act just worse than that bad pub owner.

          2. ric, nobody is questioning landlords religious or ethnic background nor his grounds for finding kissing obscene, whats important here is whether he finds heterosexual kising equally obscene as gay kissing, and more importantly, the incident happend in hart of gay village, a place where you can feel free and safe and where you can be whoever or whatever you want to be, even if you happend to be in straight bar. that sense of feeling has been abused in the john snow pub. and if we can not feel free and safe in our area where can we. the protest sent out strong message that if you dont like our village you can F.OFF

    2. too far from Lancashire for me. If I were there I would happily try to fight the nonsense.

  20. A few points I’d like to make. Why did the publican et al not provide their names when asked by the gay couple. Afraid of legal action? Or just not honest about it to admit he was wrong and heavy handed. Obviously he didn’t take responsibility for his action or have the courage of his conviction to provide his name when asked. Not the conservative thing to do by any stretch. The man who put his hand on one of the two men had no right to do that, first mistake.

    Secondly, where is the evidence that straight couples who have snogged in that pub and I’m sure there have been some (I’ve seen it in other pubs and nobody objected) have been similarly ejected by this publican? Where is it? She claimed she would do the same which I doubt. She’s nothing but a bold-faced liar. As for that mysterious “Gary” whose face has never been seen saying he has gay and lesbian friends, please -that’s one of the most questionable, convenient mantras if ever just to make it seem he’s not homophobic.

    1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 12:06pm


      I’ve been there many times and seen all kissing, Straight, Gay and no-body has every batted an eyelid. In this case I think one person took exception and created, well, this.

      Personally I’d like to see more of these demos and if it means the pub closes so what. In this climate can they really decide to be so picky. How many pubs are closing a week now?

      1. Jock – that’s quite interesting. So on a normal day both straight and gay people kiss in this pub and no-one bats an eyelid?
        So was it the particular landlady on duty that day, or the way that they were kissing or just acting on the interferance of the mysterious Gary who claims to have gay friends?
        There’s a lot of variables here which is where the ambiguity creeps in.
        The crux of the issue for me is would they do the same for straight people who did the same thing, and is this something they do to all gay people who kiss or just these two who overstepped the house rules set down by the landlord?
        That’s the crucial difference between discrimination and mere prudery.
        Seems like there’s a lot of contradictory viewpoints to sift through.

      2. majority of gay people are capable of exercising their discretion when it comes to being affectionate, soho is one of those places where gay affection is so common on the streets that doing it even in ‘straight’ establishment shouldnt come as complete shock to its punters, therefore it is possible to conclude that the pub is an oasis of homophobia in a heart of gay village

  21. The managers of the John Snow are Carla Cookson and Graham Jackson.

    The licencee is Thomas.

    The landlord is Thomas Jeffrey Paget.

    Now you know who to complain directly to.

  22. Jock S. Trap, exactly right! I’ve also seen straight couples, not a lot, in gay clubs kissing. Not one of our people was offended and they weren’t asked to leave. If they had hurled anti-gay epithets, then that’s a different situation of course. Any well adjusted straight couple in a gay environment wouldn’t act that way as well we know. I want to see the evidence from any pub, not just the John Snow, where they’ve ejected straight couples for the same behaviour. I bet you there hasn’t been one case reported by the media. That said, I do draw the line though when it gets into the heavy stuff for both gay and straight couples alike, at that point they should leave and “get a room” as they say in America, or better yet, go home and do it to their hearts’ content.

    1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 3:23pm

      Exactly. I too have seen plenty of Straight couple in Gay bars kissing again without any problems. Then that tends to be what Gay bars are about being comfortable in our surroundings and not feeling we have to pretend.

      It’s clear that several pubs out there could learn a lot from Gay people.

  23. My latest Newsround blog entry (LGBT heroes) includes comment on the story and a link to a Sky News video

  24. Pehaps. a day of action (flash mob/friendliness rather) where gay couples could just be affectionate with one another (ie. holding hands, as these) in a row of shops / pubs simultaneously could be the way to go for those few minutes. Feel free think of something better! :)

    1. The Daily Mail
      The Sunday Mail
      The Telegraph
      The Daily (We Are Beyond the Law) Phone Hackers

  25. Finally, social networking put to a good use.

  26. Yes, Jock, once again I agree. I think we should all put pressure on this pub to produce the evidence that they’ve ejected straight couples for the same thing, in fact any pub when this becomes an issue. We should take some of our straight friends, ideally couples and have them snog and see how the publican and staff react.

  27. Why did @Paddyswurds’ avatar appear also on @”Steve’s” post? You’ve been rumbled Paddy you sad c88t.

    1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 8:18pm

      @cmyb ….
      ….beacuse he is using my iPad, and my account on PN, you witless moron. Are you too thick to figure that out for yourself.??

      1. No what I and countless others have figured out is you were posting multiple messages under a variety of names- if Steve was sat beside you using your iPad why the f88k are you having a conversation with him online? You old gimp. Can’t get anyone to agree with you so you concoct ANOTHER alias. Your time is up old timer.

        1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:56am

          …..he has been in Derrylondon since thursday and is using my iPad. how else do you think he seen there was less than 100 people at your dud “kiss in”. you witless cretin…..

          1. Because he is you, you total f88k wit, you don’t get that we all realise you’re having these phantom conversations on here with people who post just one message ie you under a different name and you then respond at full throttle with your own paddyswurds name. Eejit. You’re nuts, end of.

          2. And Derrylondon? Is that the ‘RA name for Londonderry or just your gobsh1te thinking?

          3. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:13pm

            @ CMYB ..
            …… ni an t-ainm Gaeilge i Londain mar Derrylondon. An Gerry Adams mór ainmnithe go 10 bliain ó shin nó mar sin agus tá sé in úsáid go coitianta ó shin i leith. Táimid ag brú a bheith acu a cuireadh isteach é sa Foclóir Oxford. Leat a bhfuil a fhios cad foclóir a bhfuil dont tú?

      2. LOL! Oh, yeah, THATS the reason.

        You sad fcuking liar! You were using multiple names, as we always suspected, and you fcuked up and we caught yo out. How embarrassing, and futile.

        And the fact you think this sham lie will make us believe you ever again? LOL!

        1. He’s probably not even some elderly Irish ex-navvy with a huge old house in the country and ‘room for a pony’, well maybe just an elderly Irish ex-navvy.

          1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 9:25pm

            well you are rightb about the ex navvy thing. I am an educated person and never had to be a labourer, thanks for that anyway

        2. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:34pm

          …and you think i care, why pray??

  28. Does anyone know if the John Snow is open for business again yet?

    1. Or anywhere else with a decent darkroom?!

      1. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 8:23pm

        ……..”Or anywhere else with a decent darkroom?!” is that because that is the only place you’ll get a fumble, where noone will see how pig ugly and decrepit you are?? Mke sure you bring tony/rapture/david with you…oh wait, they Are you!! So if someone is unlucky enough to get in a clinch with you in the dark they actually get a four in one if you like……

      2. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:16pm

        ………..he mut be still in a darkroom somewhere as he hasn’t spewed any hate vitriolic comment on this post yet….lol

  29. Be sure to watch this lovely video of the event!

    1. *Drool* those last two guys wearing the faces off each other are pretty hot. Pressure on the original protagonists to make a relationship that survives all the hoopla and interest they’ve generated, good luck to them.

    2. Paddyswurds 16 Apr 2011, 9:13pm

      @Mary B….
      ….so who is this Shetlar person exactly and does his visa allow him to organise disruptive gatherings in the City of London. What i wonder is his immigrant status and is he a legal resident of the UK. Needs looking into. Nasty looking piece of work. They probably got rid of him back states side so this is his bolt hole…yeukkk

      1. What do you care f88kwit? You’re living in Ireland and commenting on people in the UK. At least Shetlar is doing something proactive for civil rights, you’re just spending your time slating a country you were too weak and too ugly to survive in.

        1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:38am

          …… the few hours i spend there now and again can hardly be classed as trying to survive there. Passed through there as quickly as i could and that was about all i could and can stomach of the place. I found it to be over crowded dirty and unkempt and the Gay scene to be unbearably bitchy and top heavy with frogs, compared to the USA where i did live for almost 20 years in total off and on.

        2. Does he actually live in ireland??????? or in hostel in gateshead, sorry gateshead. Who cares! the pr**k is a loser just have fun with him , don’t even bother responding eloquently , hes just a mick take.

      2. @ Paddyswurds: Paul Shetler has a highly respectable job in IT and has been based in London – perfectly lawfully – for over a decade.

        1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:22pm

          @ Rehan….
          …we will leave that to Immigration to decide, shall we…. “perfectly lawfully” or not, I doubt his visitors visa or work permit allows him come here and foment hatred and dissenson.

          1. Oh, come now – ‘foment hatred and dissention’? Overstating things a little, aren’t you? Protesting against hatred (as people who were there testified, the kissing wasn’t exactly ‘obscene’) is hardly that.

  30. Dr Robin Guthrie 16 Apr 2011, 5:39pm

    I listened to this on Radio 2 yesterday afternoon on Jeremy Vines show and it was absolutely hysterical.

    The Gay couple were simply stating their case and the BBC “objective opinion” consisted of an , “I have gay friends” Lancashire or Yorkshire publican ranting to the point of hysteria, claiming his Landlords rights above all else.

    It got to the point Mr Vine just cut him off.

    1. I just love the predictable line

      “I have gay friends”,

      these homophobes trot out, as if this some how negates their homophobia.

      So Hitler had Jewish friends, yeah yeah yeah

      1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:43am

        …..comment #226 and Godwin is right again.

        1. paddy can i talk to you off here????

          1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:18am


          2. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:20am

            @ tom….
            ….Im on my pink news

          3. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 2:26am

            ….e.mail me

        2. i will but you want to remove your addy as there ares ome scum on here………..

          1. Ferdy, Steve, Tom, Eire32……all sad old Paddy.

          2. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 11:40am

            ……..thats ok it is a limited account.

          3. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 11:44am

            ….how do you know Paddys isn’t fake if you think everyone else is. You are starting to get overly paranoid. Better lay off the drugs for a while…oh but wait… then you wont be able to face those sordid darkrooms….awww diddums.

          4. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 12:04pm


            Why don’t you just give up and admit it, your use many nicknames including other users names.

            You have already been shown up, we can all see the proof.

          5. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:26pm

            ……”everyone” including PN which has access to my e.mail address and ip address, which is something you dont have. however PN also has access to your e.mail address and ip address and are as we write, workig on ways to limit you duplicity.

          6. LMAO, yeah Paddys Jock and the rest of us are all the culprits, not you, no never you. You remind me of that Patsy Cline song, ‘crazy’…..

        3. I am simply using an absurd analogy, to highlight the ridicolous nature of this current euphemism, frequently used by homophobes.

  31. The point is, having done a head count of the photo at the top of this story, little more than 100 people turned up to make spectacles of themselves. And of the vast majority who did turn up, most did not even bother to participate in the kissathon itself (um, wasn’t that the point of this circus?).

    So WHAT success exactly? Typical of the fruit loop brigade to exaggerate on the numbers as always. Yawn… And it seems that most of those who did bother to turn up only did so because were freeloaders determined to have their tonsils tickled with abandon. And because most of those were frogs they couldn’t even get the pub cat to lick their boots.

    Altogether now, “Aw shame…”

    1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 6:05pm

      Actually a lot of people turned up. It was all done with great spirit and the point was to protest which was done.

      Mock it all you like but at least people are willing to stand up and be counted not hide away ashamed of themselves.

      Shouldn’t you be preparing them birch twigs to thrash yourself with? Bibles don’t dust themselves you know.

      Many people of all sexual orientations showed up to support, Gay, Lesbian, Straight..

      Luckily your sort are in a minority.

    2. The point is, having done a head count of the photo at the top of this story, little more than 100 people turned up

      Click on the Guardian link a couple of posts up, William – if you watch the videoclip you’ll see that there appears to have been well over 100 people there last night.

    3. it was landlord who lost his massive thursday balls on friday, such a role model, we can see you borrow a lot from him

  32. The point I am trying to make is the event was a total travesty and far from eliciting sympathy from the mainstream it overwhelmingly invited hoots of scorn and derision. So what is everyone squealing about? You should be hanging your heads low in shame.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 16 Apr 2011, 5:47pm

      Why do you hate yourself self so much.

      I’m a psychiatrist.

      Perhaps. I can help.

      1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 6:14pm

        He’s trying to underestimate the numbers but for what I can’t imagine but he wasn’t there. He’s just trying to mock all LGBT people who take action.

        He’s trying to make assumptions but for all that attended he’s showing himself to be an absolute joke.

        There’s only one travesty, well two actually, William and Paddys…

        Luckily as I said he is in a minority. Most people don’t hate themselves and Everyone else, except for these two.

        I am Very suspicious about who he is claiming to be.

      2. Dr Robin Guthrie 16 Apr 2011, 6:20pm

        “You should be hanging your heads low in shame.”

        Wanting to be treated equally is equivalent to hanging heads in shame.

        This is your comment.

        I have had enough of shame. I have had enough of battery.

        And I have had enough of an ill educated child like you believing that you experience in
        life equates to everyone else s.

        Fact is this incident occurred.

        The couple felt shamed by the actions of this pub.

        This story is now World Wide as I have read it on the NY times and Bangalore Gazette amongst others.

        These bigots have to realize that a word badly spoken in some English pub, soon becomes
        an international story due to the lovely internet, MOSTLY created by gay people.

        Please feel free to bitch away upon your technology as created by Gay men.

        1. Jock S. Trap 16 Apr 2011, 6:26pm

          “These bigots”

          But William IS one of those bigots, Dr Robin. He has no interest in listening to what we have to say or what we have to stand up to.

          William is all about the put down.

      3. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:57am

        @ robin…et al.
        ……why is it when ya’ll have been proven wrong you resort to this hate yourself shyte. In 447 comments anyone who espouses the sensible intelligent view is according to a clique of 4 or 5 , a self hater, homophobic, racist, trans phobic, weak, shamefull, a joke, trolling, a troll, a travesty, a bigot, demented, old queen, vile and decrepit. I could go on ad nauseum but i think you get the whole sorry picture. Methinks you protest too too much. if you people are the leading edge of the British Gay scene, well “Houston we have a problem…….”

        1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 12:58am

          errata 247 comments….**obv

        2. Dr Robin Guthrie 17 Apr 2011, 12:05pm

          I’ve never been part of the gay scene.

      4. Every shrink I’ve eve met is in serious need of therapy themselves.
        They usually have something to hide.

    2. hoots of scorn and derision?

      Where? From whom?

      1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:02am

        ………….Anyone who was watching at home or onlookers at the whole sorry scene. And by the way they are still laughing…loudly, including Shetlar by the way.

        1. Shetler. Why do you say that, Paddyswurds? He is – rightly – very happy with the outcome of the protest.

          I work round the corner from the John Snow, and when I passed by (before 7pm) on Friday on my way somewhere else there was a good deal of laughter and high spirits, but it certainly didn’t seem to be derisive.

    3. Please William, stop posting. If you are Gay, your opinions are shameful.

      1. Shamefull and embarrasing !!!

    4. i go with you william………… will always get these types in society regardless of cultural background, religious views, race, sexuality the list can go on and on and on and on etc etc!

      1. Me too. It just made us look like another bunch of whinging queens.
        When it comes to real complaining about serious matters like Rainbow Hamlets, they all bottle out.

        1. I agree, we need to take the Tower Hamlets issue very seriously. Come and join us on media watch, perhaps we can begin by tackling the stickers incident for starters.

  33. Pic looks like a low budget zombie film haha.

    I hope they all kept it pg13

  34. Can’t they have this kind of protest each, it’s great to see so many gay couples (and straight) all having a good time and kissing…..sure raises the profile that it’s ok for all gay people to show affection..and there are plenty of places apart from pubs that straight people do it so why not gay couples…

  35. johnny33308 16 Apr 2011, 8:35pm

    Perhaps it is time to boycott the John Snow pubs, or do the opposite-thousands of gay people swarm those pubs and continue kissing. Who is tired of this sort of backward, unelightened casual bigotry exhibited by people such as these bar men/women? Perhaps we could expose them to our kissing so much that they would come to be desensitized to it, permanently.

    1. I agree. Whether it was a full on “snog” or a peck on the cheek the point is that if a heterosexual couple can do this, a gay couple should be able to do this also.

      Unless we all make the point, this sort of bigotry will only continue.

      1. If I ran a pub, I wouldn’t allow gays or straights to do it.
        Show some fcking decorum in public.

        1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:38pm


  36. I understand that people may be upset that the couple got thrown out of the pub – and yes, it is out of order!
    However, posting pornographic posters all over the pub may be taking it a step too far.
    Although I don’t like homophobic remarks, I am also sharing views that some other people have expressed, in that the ‘gay mafia’ are taking things too far. Maybe quietly getting our point across in a way that makes everyone realise gay people are no different to other people, would be better – instead protesting and posting pornographic images is making us seem like a alien species, when we aren’t.

    1. Matt I think you are missing the point.

      I think it is debateable as to whether or not the images are “pornographic” per se, and so warrant being referred to as obscene

      What does constitute an obscenity however, is two men being ejected from a pub in Soho, in the 21st century, for kissing.

      1. I completely agree that in the 21st century, it is obscene for a gay couple to be evicted from a pub for kissing. And it did upset me when I read the article. But I do hope you are right when you say the posters were not of a pornographic nature.
        But you may be right when you say that I have missed the point. My personality is a lot like my straight mates, and therefore I feel awkward when groups protest and make gay groups distinguishable. Maybe that’s because I’m only recently out and not fully comfortable yet. But you know, now I have reflected on your comment, we wouldn’t be where we are now if people hadn’t protested for our rights. So many we do need protests like this, after all!

        Sorry if my comment was missing the point of the issue :)

  37. However, while I said that, I do not wish to shy away from the point that Gay people should be treating as equally as heterosexuals. I was appauled and saddens by the news that a couple had been evicted from the pub, because they were kissing.

  38. re @ paddyswurds; ”Mke sure you bring tony/rapture/david with you…oh wait, they Are you!!” Paddy you deluded demented old queen, you’re the one the stupid enough to post multiple messages under a variety of pseudonyms and not have the intelligence to chance/remove your gravatar profile pic. Vile decrepit old paddy, f88k off and troll somewhere else.

    1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:13am

      … are a disgrace to the whole GLB movement, and if they don’t disown you soon they are doomed in the UK. You with your multiple personalities are very sick and a clear indication that “care in the community” is not working.
      There is only one place for you and that is Broadmoor and believe me thats is where you will eventually end up, although the level of your delusion is such that you won’t even know you are there even after ten years. Is it possible you are already there, because I am doubtful an that someone like you is allowed to be out on your own..

      1. go lick out your mum!


          1. Paddy: language!

  39. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:16am

    …. Skype or phone asap…xx

  40. Here is another point (besides the pictures): what if we are WRONG?

    We are counting our chickens before they hatch… and were making one big investment. What if it turns out that in the end that indeed the guys were over the top and the pub was within the right to remove them. Surely someone would have thought this out before we protest.

    If we are wrong, that would be embarrassing and would add to the cliche and stereotype that gays over-react and are too reactionary (and sensitive) and that we want to impose our sexuality on everyone else.

    1. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 10:49am

      You carry on making up your excuses to remain in the closet. Let the rest of us decent lot fight for your rights. It’s easier for you I guess.

      1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 11:29am

        @Jock s trap…..
        ….Your glib and simplitic reply hardly answers her legitimate question….What if you are all wrong?? Answer the question without the obvious put down…. you are capable of that aren’t you?

        1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 11:34am

          …….simplistic** ..obv

          1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 11:36am

            why is the software editing unessarily grrrrr


          2. Drunk. AS. A. Skunk.


        2. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 11:50am

          Laws in this country dictate innocent until proved guilty, not your way round.

          Unless they were have full on sex which is pathetic. It was a kiss for Gaga sake, it’s no reason to throw people out of pubs esp when straight people aren’t treated with the same disrespect.

          It’s just, people like you wanting to create a fuss then blame everyone else for it.

          Stand up for your rights you spineless idiot.

    2. Surely someone would have thought this out before we protest.

      Surely someone did.

      1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 1:50pm

        @Rehan …..
        …the same way they figured out that the EDL was behind the “pride” protest in East London, which was eventually cancelled when those same organisers finally admitted to being involved with the racist homophobic thugs.You are all going to end up with a whole lot of egg on your faces over this methinks, and shetlar will be far away organising another sham EDL protest no doubt.

        1. @ Paddyswurds: just because one group erred it doesn’t follow that another, unrelated, one will. In any event, time will tell, no doubt: shall we just wait and see?

          1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 3:31pm

            ………all the usual suspects who screamed the intellectually bereft ephithets then at those of us who seen through the charade form the second after PN published the story are the same cretins who are now doing axactly the same . Screaming … well wht you can see above without a glimmer of thought for what they may be letting themselves in for again. This Shetlar, (just WHO is he really?) seems to be behind a lot of this unnecessary agitation. His ugly mug has appeared more than once of late and it is time he was sent paccking back to the “darkrooms ” of the lower east side (of NYC), where he and some of his supporters would be more at home

          2. Screaming? Perhaps? But at least they didn’t need to resort to multiple names to get a point across, what ever that pointy was. That’s just pathetic, I’m sorry, but it is. And the lie you made up to cover it, with the fake conversation with yourself? Please. I actually used to have some respect for your comments here, but this is beyond tragic.

          3. I admire Paul for taking a stance against what he perceived as an injustice. It was initially just a suggestion on Facebook – I know because I’m a Facebook friend of his – which snowballed. I didn’t notice any screaming, not what I would call screaming anyway. The incident has been reported, pretty sympathetically, as far away as Australia. If there’s to be negative fallout, why don’t we just wait and see?

          4. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 3:36pm

            ……. I will say this once again. I do not use multiple names. I am confident enough with what i have to say and for a start i don’t see the point.
            In regard to having convos with myself. My partner has been in London since last Wed. and as he doesn’t own a computer I lent him my ipad so we could keep in touch by Skype (free telephoney) He used it several times and on Saturday couldn’t get me to respond on Skype (i was on Pink News) he used my pink news account on the iPad to contact me as he knows PN is always running on the PC in my office. As he does not have an e.mail add of his own or PN acc he just changed the tag on mine and “steve” was the first name came into his head. Why is it so difficult to get your head round that, perfectly simple i would have thought. you have read a lot of my posts and do u really think i wouldn’t know to take down my avatar if i was doing what the screamers are saying. Im in IT since Jan !977 and i think i know my way around by now.

  41. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 11:30am

    …Hope you all like my new and clearer Avatar……;-))

    1. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 11:45am

      Might be a new Avatar but it can’t hide the fact your a fraud, using other nicknames.

      It’s funny and quite sad that your answer for your lack of debate is to use other nicknames.

      1. Whoever Paddy is, perhaps everyone should just ignore him (I know thats hard if he’s using other names – I wish Pink News would make people register – it’s not that hard to sort the coding out for that – and it would stop the bigots, and the insane numerous identities – if that’s true).
        I’m getting increasingly concerned about Paddy’s mental state. His comments are becoming a garbled mess. “grrrrr errata….. simplistic*…..obv” – what exactly does that mean?

        Paddy, take some time out from Pink News. Spanner may be a legend for being racist, but you’re becoming a legend for being crazy. Go and spend some time with ‘huggybear’. Please.

        1. Jock S. Trap 17 Apr 2011, 1:39pm

          I agree. Can’t be bothered with that one no more.

          1. Paddy….William…they all blend in to one messy waste of humanity.

        2. Eddy, sadly, I have to agree with you. He appears to have gone mad.

          His comments sadly, appear to have turned into hysterical contradictory rants. Shamefull behaviour by some one who claims to be Harvard educated.

          1. Jock, ’tis a sunny Spring Sunday pm at 2pm and you are as ever clamped to your laptop policing and poisonously rebuking all comments and voices of dissent that oppose your narrow, blinkered and victimised view of life.

            You are taking this empty, loveless obsession to near-pathological levels of delusion. Well, they do say the meds can have an affect on the psychiatric welfare of the user. You say you have a “hubby”. Really? Or is that what you call your computer?

            You clearly don’t work yet deny you claim disability benefits which you are in fact entitled to, even if it does then look like WE are paying you to be ever-present on PN. Or are you in fact an undercover full time staff member of Stonewall’s PC police unit?

            Your perpetual tenancy here raises so many questions. Prey isn’t it time you were more transparent about your, ahem, credentials, and what makes you think everyone is on the edge of their seat waiting for the next posting by Judge Jock (and jury, and executioner…).

          2. Eddy always was a few nectar points short of the wine rack.

  42. Clark Downes 17 Apr 2011, 5:30pm

    Im so glad this happened, I mentioned it to my partner and he said he doubted many would actually show.

    But the fact the pub felt it had to close and yet protesters still showed in mass says a lot.

    From my experiences of Soho ( a 14 year old boy with his family who got lost in London and who’s farther started wondering down a rather dark alley ) the place is by no means innocent so “pornographic” images fit rather nicely into the protest. Whilst also showing were loud.

    As for the “sex obsessed gay mafia” well no the gay community isn’t all about sex, but when your brought up being told its wrong and un-natural then your sure as hell going to show the world that your proud of it.

  43. Christopher 17 Apr 2011, 10:15pm

    Really this is pathetic. How brave to boycott an english pub whilst the Tower Hamlets Taliban are busy persecuting gays and terrorising women without a single murmur from these gay activists. Pathetic!

  44. Disgusting, there should be a law against it!

  45. High Society 17 Apr 2011, 10:55pm

    Please read the article in the Independent by Philip Hensher. What a pompous ignorant idiot, his proposal that we should quiety accept descrimination flies in that face of all those who actively fought for equality and allowed him to smugly refer to his ‘husband’. he needs to stick to bears and leave groen up discussions to grown ups.

  46. High Society 17 Apr 2011, 10:56pm

    Please read the article in the Independent by Philip Hensher. What a pompous ignorant idiot, his proposal that we should quiety accept descrimination flies in that face of all those who actively fought for equality and allowed him to smugly refer to his ‘husband’. he needs to stick to bears and leave grown up discussions to grown ups.

    1. Paddyswurds 17 Apr 2011, 11:19pm

      @The Independent on sunday…..
      …………yet another balanced view of the debacle that took place Wednesday night in the Soho pub….Read it here………

      1. Yes, it is pretty balanced: It’s frankly a little bit surprising that the landlord and landlady of a pub in such a place could go on being surprised and shocked by the sight of two men kissing. If you want to run a pub where you are not going to see such a thing, then probably Broadwick Street is not such a good choice as, ooh, somewhere in the middle of Dartmoor?

  47. The article in the independent.

    “Kissing in public is not a univeral right”

    Philip Hensher concludes

    “Is it your right to insist that perfect strangers watch you snogging with tongues in public? Not so sure about that one. I’d happily go along to a protest snog-in, because I think it’s probably quite a good thing that the straight world gets used to the sight of gay people kissing and holding hands. But at this moment, the most effective weapon against this sort of distaste is not the police and the equality acts, but the old-fashioned retort of “Come
    on, Sidney – I can see we’re not welcome here”. As for the landlords of the John Snow, a move to Orkney might be just the thing.”

  48. Half the world is starving, dying from curable illnesses and getting blown to smithereens in racist profit wars, but hey, forget about that, because “It was more than a short kiss. It was a full on snog.”

    I don’t have any recollection of a law against ‘full on snogs’. It seems this pub has not taken any notice of the Equality Act 2010. They cannot discriminate on the grounds of sexuality and they have. Anyone saying they haven’t is lying, simple.

    I really wish people would put things into perspective. The world is falling apart, yet both a homophobic male customer and female member of staff think that two people innocently kissing, whatever sexuality, is even a problem.

    Lets see how much they care if bombs were raining down on them, or if they couldn’t afford food anymore, or caught an incurable illness.

    Disgusting bigots. Intelligent species my a*se. Only a few of us.

  49. British homosexuals became really nasty. I would kick out all gays from my business, no matter how hystrical they will be later on….

    1. My dear fool, you obviously don’t have the brains to manage a Fisher-Price cash register, let alone a business, so we don’t have to worry too much on that front. Now run along and tell the nurse you want lights out….

      1. You are brave to make insults on internet. In rela life you are cowardly underhuman. Being degenerate, are incapable to be a man. That’s the fact.

        1. ‘Making’ insults on the internet is exactly what you’re doing, Rich – I only mention it because you evidently hadn’t noticed yet. Possibly you’re projecting your fears about yourself on others (in more ways than one).

        2. Actually, how brave are you to spew your hat and filth on a gay site? What’s wrong with you that you’re in here, too ugly and stupid to get a shag form the boys?

        3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:37am

          Rich, why are you showing the fact you are nothing but a classic closet case? It’s so obvious.

          Which to tell us something?

    2. Excellent, Rich! Then you’d go out of business and maybe then you’d have a bit more time to improve your education.

  50. If you, nasty gays, will call me any name – just keep in mind that I will call you also any name also!

    1. Super. Can’t wait for that. I’m always in the market for stunning wit.

      1. Just tell me your full real name, and you will get what you deserve!

        1. LOL! You? You silly little man. I have scratched things of my shoes that I would have more fear of than you.

          Tell you what, you first, freak.

        2. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:39am


          LOL… what a pathetic little person. I really pity you. Life must be so difficult being so uneducated.

  51. I laughed so much when I heard that the pub has closed, hilarious, well done to the landlord.

    Vote Yes in The AV, and allow the BNP more chances to get this country back to how it was, and to abolish the equality act.

    1. Nothing like going back to the past, eh? Not to mention the right you should have to beat your wife silly and give those negro’s what coming to them! Ah, the old days – even better when remembered by fools.

    2. AV is unlikely to be good news for the BNP. Chances are that BNP votes will be among the first to be redistributed.

    3. you want bigoted idiots to have a say and you think older times we’re better?
      you really are a dumb-ass bigot

    4. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 3:43pm

      … Vote yes for AV or Proportinal Represntation as we call it in Ireland. It is the only fair and sensible to run a Democracy.

    5. Jock S. Trap 18 Apr 2011, 4:03pm

      Definitely voting No to AV come May 5th.

      I want my first choice not my second or third.

      In the Olympics next year when Britain come first (in many event I would think!), Russia second and China Third, would it be right to be giving Gold to Russia or China.

      Too damn right it wouldn’t.

      1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 5:45pm

        dont think it applies to sport and you understanding of how it works is woeful.

        1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 6:19pm

          cont…Under the current system, many MPs are elected on a minority of the overall vote in their constituency. Under the AV system, MPs could not be elected without the backing of at least 50% of voters in a constituency. This would increase the legitimacy of MPs – seen as an important factor in the wake of the MP expenses scandal – and increase choice.

        2. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:41am

          I thought you said you were educated!

  52. “It was a full on snog.”

    I LOVE you Brits! :D

    1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 9:32pm

      ……….some of us are Irish, thankfully.

  53. Yet again I’m disappointed with the reactions of the community on an important issue. It’s outrageous that a gay couple was ejected for doing what straight people are allowed to do whenever and wherever they feel like it. A protest made sense, to show the country that we won’t stand by and be treated differently for doing what other people do every day without anyone making the slightest comment.

    But this protest did not do that. It’s message was “we can be as outrageous as we feel like and you can’t do a damn thing to stop us”, complete with over the top sexual imagery and slogans. That kind of reaction robs us of credibility, and moves us away from what would be considered an equality battle into the realms of demands for special privilege. So it’ll be put down to “uppity gays” again, get people’s back up and be completely counter productive.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it led to more gays being thrown out of pubs, or worse. It’s so frustrating!

    1. Jock S. Trap 18 Apr 2011, 10:59am

      That would have been appalling Sven Had it happened but it didn’t. What over the top sexual imagery are you referring? The kissing by any chance?

    2. Jock S. Trap 18 Apr 2011, 11:04am

      FYI I was there and it was a friendly, good humoured event that was peace and to the point. The message was a good, clean one and I for one was happy that our message of acceptance was out and proud.

      1. Was the article wrong then? It said people were sticking pictures of half / naked guys in various positions to the walls of the pub and placards saying “I want to blow you all” or something. Sounded pretty bad to me, but I suppose it wouldn’t be the first time an article was more than a little exaggerated on here.

        If it was as you say it was then I stand corrected; I’m proud of and grateful to everyone who made the point on behalf of us all. Especially since I didn’t even know it had happened until today.

        1. Jock S. Trap 18 Apr 2011, 1:06pm


          No weren’t not pornographic pics. The most the pics were were topless men but thats it.

          As for the placad It actually said ““I want to blow you all… a kiss”

          It was really good and if anything showed a completely different side of protesting we have seen recently. It brought the community together but also plenty of straight couples too showing support. Although it was a protest, it seemed more a good humoured gathering that just the numbers to make the point. It kinda made me feel prouder seeing so many people and not just Gay.

          1. Jock S. Trap 18 Apr 2011, 1:07pm


            were not not weren’t not. ;)

      2. Were you the “poor me” on the BBC news lamenting about travelling all that way for a free snog but nobody wanting to go anywhere near him? Thought so.

      3. funguscock 18 Apr 2011, 2:47pm


      4. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 3:53pm

        ….were you there with the EDL or BNP or one of the other myriad opportunists who made up the 70 or so who attended?.
        Was there really any need for the risque photos plastered over the front if the building? And why was it a bolshy American thug who had to organise it and why was he the only one available to speak to the media.
        A very unedifying affair, the whole sorry mess and done no one any favors.
        Even the two guys who caused the whole furore were distinctly uneasy when interviewed and came across as though they would, “on the whole have rathered be in Philidelphia!!”

  54. I knew it! I just knew it would come to this. What a disgrace an absolute disgrace. To think that I served 18 years in the merchant navy, where we were lucky to be allowed onboard, if we were discovered to be that way.
    Young people have had far more than we ever had and all they can do is shove it down decent people’s throats and expect to be allowed to do so.
    Yes we had it hard but we knew how to behave and respect others and if we felt that way, we would find somewhere discreet and enjoy our little bit of pleasure alone without disturbing anyone.
    Now days you only have to step out of your front door and they are at it. I went to my local Turkish baths a year ago and have not been back since. It was like Sodom and Gomorrah. They couldn’t keep their hands off each other. They couldn’t even keep a towel on.
    Decent people don’t want to see that. If this is what equality brings, then I would rather be back in the old days when you could have a bit of fun and were glad of the odd encounter you had.
    You might have been lucky to get away with a good beating from a constable, if he caught you at it, but then that’s what you got for not being careful. Better than being dragged into court and all the neighbours hearing about it.
    If it was down to me, I wouldn’t change a thing. Yes it was rough, but you didn’t have all this nonsense and everybody knowing your business. Talk about washing your dirty linen in public.

    1. Paddy is that you??!! ‘Glad of the odd encounter’ back in the day? Where exactly? Some public lav? How is that any different from what happened at your local ‘Turkish baths’?

      1. c’mon guy we can do it, its only few posting short of 400

    2. @ Arthur: if you read the various reports, you will find that the man and woman sitting next to the couple at the centre of this incident didn’t feel anything was shoved down their throats.

      If you’re worried about the protest and its effect, I’d say that by and large the reporting has been pretty sympathetic, so I don’t really think you need worry too much.

    3. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 2:37pm

      …. ” To think that I served 18 years in the merchant navy, where we were lucky to be allowed onboard, if we were discovered to be that way.”
      That is the biggest load of tosh i have ever read on these threads and iv’e read some doozies let tell you. Was it the Russian MN you were on or waht, because it certainly wasn’t the British MN. I served on 7 ships including the QE2 from June 1969 and i acn’t relate to what you are blathering about. The place was coming down with us. I would safely say that at least 70% of the catering crew in the BMN were gay and most of those, dare i say, were about as obvious as was possible without turning to in full slap and semi drag. On my first ship the MV Arawa a group of us who joined 2 weeks before sailing from KG docks in London, got dragged up and went a ball that was held every year in bayswater. I think Danny La Rue had something to do with it but it was famous at the time. ,……..cont

      1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 2:54pm

        ….The captain seen us preparing for the night and insisted on having his pic taken with us. Hardly what you term “lucky to be allowed on board”
        On another occasion on board the Carmania myself and a young commis chef got carried away and over come by a particularly beautiful moonlight night while sailing through the Sargossa sea and forgetting that we were in full view of the bridge had full out and out sex in the fo’csle head. and had to endure good natured ribbing from no less than Commadore Bill Warwick for the rest of the voyage.
        As for the rest of your bad tempered rant well….
        Anyone reading this thread knows what i think of the incident this thread refers to, but i find 90% of your comment homophobic and disingenious . I am 60 yo and i find most of what you said just sour grapes. i have had an extremely active gay life and it’s certainly not finished yet and i have had it away with as many straifgt lads as gay and i have yet to witness, hear or suffer homophobia.

        1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 3:01pm

          ….in any way shape or form, but that i think is because i have always been open and straight forward as to what i am. I am and always have been totally accepted by all from the young to the very oad and often had and still do have open and intelligently frank discussions about what it is to be a gay man. i Just cannot imagine how or where you have lived your life but mine was spent a little in the UK but mostly in the USA (New England) and Ireland and i must say Ireland has been the happiest part of my life.

  55. As licensee’s you have the right to refuse service and entrance for any reason as long as it is not discriminatory…they were not refused service on the grounds of sexuality, nor discriminated, they were merely asked not to continue an activity!

    1) A licensee has the right to refuse to serve or ask anyone to leave without reason
    2) The Homosexuals complied with the orgininal request but a peck later was the trigger… it was still an act they had been asked not to do (that I do believe was petty as they were leaving)
    3) The Homosexuals were forcibly removed, as they put it…. they failed to comply with the request and it’s their own fault.

    In 1987 I was in a coffee bar with my girlfriend and we had a kiss and a hug. The owner asked us politely to leave as other customers were uneasy. So we did and went back several times. We knew the house rules. If homosexuals want respect and tolerance they must respect the pub rules, if not find another pub.

    1. 1987??? u even remember the year ??? what are you, some kind of freak

      1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 2:23pm

        …..”1987??? u even remember the year what are you, some kind of freak”
        1987 is only 14 years ago. Are you saying you can’t remember that far back? What are YOU rather…a goldfish ??
        Or is the real reason that you are intellectualy bereft and unable to compose an intelligent question or reply?

        1. Paddy – take your meds, speak to the nurse and then do the maths! Unless it’s 2001, which in your parallel existence is perhaps entirely possible you really are deranged.

        2. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 4:46pm

          ….oops Thank you Damo.. 24 years obviously but still not exactly ancient history. Sorry Damo, not on any meds but perhaps….?

    2. Jock S. Trap 18 Apr 2011, 2:28pm

      Anyone starting lists with “The Homosexuals” don’t really need to be taken seriously. They already got a problem.

      1. Are you not a homosexual then?
        They are homosexuals, they are not gays, gay is word that means happy, until homosexuals hijacked it.

        They will always be homosexuals, thats the polite and correct way to address men that like men.

        1. What’s the polite way to address bigots these days, Matt? Should I address you as a person, or an animal?

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:45am

            Dunno about the polite way But I’m usually polite enough in letting them choose the first word to put before the word off!

        2. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:46am

          Yeah, thanks for the – er – education… I think…

          Bitter much or them loins astirrin?

          1. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 8:47am

            Sorry that last message wasn’t to you Will, in case it looks like it. It’s for the uneducated creep, Matthew.

        3. They will always be homosexuals, thats the polite and correct way to address men that like men.

          Oh Matthew, do tell (since you appear to be an expert on the matter) what the correct way to describe women who like women is?

    3. If the licensee does not apply the law equally to all people, irrespective of sexual orientation, then the licensee falls foul of the law. We have no knowledge of straight kissers ever having been thrown out, and moreover, straight people have been witnessed passinoately kissing in the same venue without consequence. Therefore, it is most likely that the licensee is in the wrong. The fact that some backward people find same sex couples showing affection to be offensive does not count, and rightly so.

      PS On planet Earth, we are living in 2011, not 1987, if you hadn’t noticed.

  56. Mission accomplished by the Brewery.

    Throw some blokes out for kissing & it makes the national news (were they planted by the brewery?)
    The gay community are now boycotting SS pubs.

    Great, the brewery don’t need to ban them now.

  57. Matthew, in more than 40 years frequenting London pubs, I’ve never seen a straight couple thrown out for kissing or “snogging”, and I’ve never heard anyone complain. Where is the evidence that this pub or any other throw out straight couples for the same reason? I’ve seen nothing reported in the media about it either. What I have seen several times is disorderly behaviour bordering on violence, nothing more. In that case, I would agree with customers being asked to leave.

  58. Oh god, this is hilarious…I’ve not laughed so much in ages.

  59. Paddy divulging he had sex with a commis chef back in the day, too much information! @Matthew- sounds like 1987 was a really happening year, house music on the rise, the Kings Cross fire and you get chucked out of a coffee shop for kissing a girl. Turbulent times….

    1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 6:24pm

      We were only 19 at the time. Delicious memories…….
      Too much info?? “Jealous, much” to quote JST

      1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 6:27pm

        PN …can’t you get the software sorted and stop it inserting these silly 8 thousand numbers instead of inverted commas.also the little black diamonds with the ? mark inside…pretty please….

      2. Nah, I don’t need to divulge my conquests like some demented old queen reliving past glories or in your case ‘gories’.

        1. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 3:59pm

          ………Trolling darkrooms can hardly be termed as conquests, old dear. The fact that you have to frequent such sordid establishments says all one would want to know about you. You are probably a well known face on the local cottage scene as well no doubt. These are not life experiences to be proud of and certainly not stories you will ever be able to tell or even care to remember, so one isn’t surprised at your obvious sour grapes jibes.

  60. So, the true face of gay extremism shows its real face:

    Paul Shetler exposed as a thug and a bully prepared to intimidate and shout anyone down who opposes his viewpoint, just like his cohorts Jock Strap, Will, Eddy and all the usual suspects. I hope this video goes viral quickly so the true face of the gay fruit loop brigade is exposed and shamed before it can cause more hysteria and outrage in the name of gay rights…

    1. Yes, this actually took place at last Friday’s “kiss-in” itself. Will Pink News please report on the true scandal here – that bullies and extremists have hijacked gay rights for their own ends?

      1. I don’t believe what I am seeing here. The organiser of a gay rights rally spitting in the faces of a group of pacifists? And to think I almost considered going along to add my support. This has made me think long and hard about how far some people are prepared to go to push through gay rights without realising that there has to be balance and respect for the consideration of others as well. Mr. Shetler has well and truly shot himself in the foot here, and if I were him I would lie low for the next 10 years…as that is how long his aggressive tirade is likely to have set his cause back by if the mainstream media get hold of this footage.

        1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 9:43pm

          ….he is an American trouble maker. I wonder what is his immigration status and if it allows him to organise agitation like this that costs the country thousands to police.. Just why IS he here i wonder?. He should feck off back to the bigoted homophobic USA and agitate there if he is so wonderfull.

          1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 9:45pm

            I have already made representations to the Borders Agency about him and they are investigating…..

          2. @ Paddyswurds “just why IS he here i wonder?”

            Probably for much the same reason as you, Irish, say you spent a couple of decades in the US. I find it hard to believe you have grounds to criticise anyone who chooses to live and work in a country other than the one he or she was born.

          3. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 11:27pm

            I went to the USA for University and was head hunted by Honeywell Information Systems. I paid my taxes, Got involved in voulteering and paid l my taxes aand was deeply involved in the Democratic party and its politics. I was on first name terms with Teddy Kennedy and Tip O’Neill and Governor Dukakis of Masachussetts. I didn’t go there and organise agitation which cost the USA thousands in Policing and when my face was on telly it was as a presenter for The United Way charity Fund, Multiple Sclerosis Telethon, Cistic Fibrosis Telethon, and various others nor was i filmed spitting in the faces of peace Activists and when I left there was consternation that I was leaving. When will Paul Shetlar have credentials like that in the UK I wonder??.

          4. Oh shut the f88k up you posturing vulgar bullsh1tting gobsh1te. First name terms with Teddy Kennedy? Were you one of the call girls he was banging? As for there being consternation at your leaving- I guess you left a vacancy for a new village idiot on your departure.

          5. CMYB sounds a jealous person spouting off are we you ‘tard!

          6. gimpoid? LMAO here, ANOTHER alias for Paddy. Just how do you keep track of all the stuff you’ve posted under various names? You sad b!tch, you’ve had more name changes than Prince.

          7. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:12pm

            Although at least Prince is entertaining!

          8. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 4:05pm

            …..well you Do keep coming back, pet!!

    2. William wrote

      “Paul Shetler exposed as a thug and a bully prepared to intimidate and shout anyone down who opposes his viewpoint, just like his cohorts Jock Strap, Will, Eddy and all the usual suspects.”


      Were is your evidence that JockStrap, Will and Eddy are bullying thugs?

      1. typo correction

        William wrote

        “Paul Shetler exposed as a thug and a bully prepared to intimidate and shout anyone down who opposes his viewpoint, just like his cohorts Jock Strap, Will, Eddy and all the usual suspects.”


        Were is your evidence that JockStrap, Will and Eddy are bullying thugs?

        1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 10:26pm

          ……. I would imagine he got his evidence from the same place we all got it. Their posts on Pink News. He forgot about rapture Helen Wilson, Nicola and CMYB though.They are also part of the intellectually bereft bullying clique

          1. @Paddyswurds

            Is there evidence that Rapture, Helen Wilson, Nicola and CMYB are part of an intellectual bullying clique?

          2. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 11:05pm

            . I would imagine he got his evidence from the same place we all got it. Their posts on Pink News. He forgot about rapture Helen Wilson, Nicola and CMYB though.They are also part of the intellectually bereft bullying clique

          3. Yeah everyone is against Paddy, poor Paddy, that persecution complex must be a terrible affliction when coupled with the delusions of adequacy.

        2. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 9:29am

          Funny how the ones not calling others names are the bullies on minute, victims the next.

          1. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 6:37pm

            ….rapture is strangely quiet….have you retired that tag and what have you replaced it with i wonder…strangs how you don’t have an avatar. makes it too difficult to switch tags i suppose….

      2. Hello? Have you not been following this thread JohnK? Where have you been? This motley trio of arch thugs above anyone else, it seems, solely exist to bully, intimidate and shout down anyone who steps out of line with their final verdict on all manner of gay-related issues on PN and I daresay elsewhere too. Dare disagree with them and see the type of rough justice they dish out. Go on, I dare you.

    3. Whilst I don’t like spitting. When any minority group is fighting just for just the simple right to kiss in public, sometimes those who protest get heated. I don’t defend violent protests, because I’m peaceful, but I hardly think that the video is that violent, unless you are comparing it to the teletubies. The black community didn’t get equality by just peaceful protestors. It was a mixture of violence from one side of the protestors, and peace from the other. It’s yin and yang IMO. LGBT won’t get anything by just hiding away and being polite and doing the fandango at pride.
      William, I think your comment is divisive, using terms like ‘gay extremism’, ‘gay fruit loop brigade’, ‘hysteria and outrage in the name of gay rights’, is just shameful for a gay man to use. You sound more like a religious homophobic fundamentalist to me than someone who cares about gay equality. And to call me a thug and a bully? Why, for not agreeing with you, for having an opinion. Or is it a different Eddy?

      1. Eddy, as a gay man I am appalled at the behaviour of an extreme minority of fellow gay men who are pushing the issue of gay rights over the edge and doing a major disservice to us all. We will not get equality that is fair and reasonable through aggression and force.

        As this video and many comments on this thread exposes, a minority of gay men don’t appear to realise how extreme their fanaticism has become and as such risk undoing all the good work of gay rights pioneers like Peter Tatchell, who built up respect for our rights over years rather than trying to force them through with brutality, intimidation and vitriol in a matter of weeks.

        The point I am trying to make is that a backlash is growing against us, as witnessed by the rise in homophobic attacks. Why are they on the increase when we are supposed to be more accepted by the mainstream than ever before? Because you’ve lost sight of the boundaries of what is acceptable to be fighting for, as the pub snog fiasco demonstrates.

        1. @ William: Why are [homophobic attacks] on the increase when we are supposed to be more accepted by the mainstream than ever before?

          I could state the obvious and mention that homophobic attacks weren’t actually reported as such more than a few years ago, but that’d be too, well, obvious.

          Peter Tatchell’s many detractors (misguided in my mind) say much the same about him and his efforts as you’ve just said. The whole spitting incident is beyond deplorable, but it should not be allowed to overshadow the whole – largely high-spirited – protest.

          1. “The whole spitting incident is beyond deplorable…”

            That’s about the most pertinent statement you’ve made throughout this entire debate. And I’ll tell you something else for nothing. How on earth does the extremist gay fringe, with hatred etched into their faces, ever hope to earn the tolerance of the mainstream when it refuses to show tolerance for the rights of others to run their businesses? Instead of waiting for the true facts of the pug snog story to emerge (we now know that the two agent provocateurs were full-on snogging and were asked to stop several times, and that they stormed off on their own accord in a hissy rage determined to stir up trouble), the fruit loopers go in all guns blazing screaming and shouting and spitting all over the place. I hope you can begin to see how this act-first-think-later approach is damaging the reputation of ALL gay people, most of whom EARN respect by living normal lives and who don’t go out of their way to draw attention to themselves.

          2. @ William: yet you conveniently ignore my other observation, which is that your frankly hysterical over-reaction to this event is expressed in language that’s often used in relation to Peter Tatchell (who in fact was also there at the ‘kiss-in’) and his protests. Why this double standard?

        2. William wrote

          “Because you’ve lost sight of the boundaries of what is acceptable to be fighting for, as the pub snog fiasco demonstrates.”

          I am not sure what you man by accetable boundaries, so I am curious as to what you see as an “Acceptable Fight”, so to speak.

        3. @Wiliam, do you think that women got the vote in this country through peaceful protest?

          1. I think you know full well what I mean. Put it this way, at the rate and speed in which the “fruit loopers” are trying to push “gay rights” forward it won’t be long before they are demanding the right to fist each other on the Chanel counter at Selfridges. That may not even be as absurd as it sounds. They are so selfish and self-centred they don’t give a toss for the feelings or sensibilities of anyone but themselves. We’ve all got to live and share space on this mortal coil; what gives a minority of gay men the right to sanctimoniously and arrogantly demand the right to shove what is perceived by most ordinary folk to be lewd behaviour in everyone else’s faces, just as no one has to put up with public displays of lewd behaviour by mixed couples, even if the behaviour in question may not be perceived as lewd by the provocateurs. It is all about knowing what the acceptable boundaries of public etiquette allow and staying within those boundaries, regardless of race, gender or sexuality.

          2. It just keep going on, the same point, and the same anger.

            Its quite obvious what to do:- you don’t want to be involved, then don’t be. Very simple solution, and a win-win for everyone.

            And go get help William, for heavens sake, its distressing watching you have hissy fits here.

        4. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 9:15am

          Peter Tatchel was there at this protest, supporting and speaking to the media.

          1. Yes indeed he was. But was he throwing his weight around and spitting at all and sundry? Huh?

          2. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:14pm

            No and nor were the hundreds of us also there. Your making no sense. Your just trying to put negative on a positive protest.

      2. FIGHTING? Do you know what REAL gay rights worth fighting for are? The right not to be sacked in the workplace, or be beaten up or bullied because of your sexuality etc. Now those rights are won, the fruit loop loons are looking for new rights where they have no right to exist.

        NOBODY in any bar in central London would object to the sight of any two people kissing to greet or say goodbye. But when they start getting carried away in the heat of a first date and ignore requests to tone down their behaviour, they are clearly in the wrong yet then stoop to pulling out the gay victim card and claim they are being persecuted.

        Did anyone read the comments on The Guardian’s live blog covering this story? Even the ultra-left liberals are getting sick and tired of the radical gay lobby which has nothing better to do than look for harassment where it doesn’t exist. The same few loons constantly hijack these boards and profess to speak for all of us. They may as well be peeing in the wind.

        1. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 9:22am

          “Now those rights are won, the fruit loop loons are looking for new rights where they have no right to exist. ”

          Actually we’re just fighting for the right to be treated like any other human being not separate from. Paint that how you will but see the facts for what they are not an assumed idea of them.

          What we do unites us.

          What you do divides us.

          Plain and simple.

        2. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:17pm

          It always makes me laugh how people calling people names and attacking them just because we can have an adult debate throw there weight around calling everyone else bullies.

          Look in a mirror next time you feel the urge to call others bullies.

      3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 9:01am


        Note that those named actually debate while those opposing choose to get personal instead. Anyone that disagrees with them that is, then they smear and try to disrupt any debate. They cannot accept others have a difference of opinion.

        They can’t handle an adult conversation and there’s very little point in engaging with said people. Esp now we know if they can’t ‘win’ they just change name.

        Don’t waste the effort. Lets hope Pink News can sort something out soon. For now it’s probably best to just humour them… if that!

      4. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 9:13am

        Unfortunately there will always be some who wish to only ever see the negative side to anything, then call everyone else victims may I add, while the rest of us seek for the positive,

  61. For anyone not paying attention, Paul Shetler is the public face of the contemptible “kiss-in”, having been name-checked and interviewed on Breakfast Television. Shame on him and all his misguided supporters.

    1. From that video, it looks like what I said before was right. The protest wasn’t about equality or unfairness but about being as aggressive and obnoxious as possible, as though doing that somehow advances the cause for gay rights.

      I’m worried that this could do more harm than good if it goes viral. The public are starting to get on our side, and this video could easily damage that by painting us all as lunatics. So just like other communities with an extremist fringe, we should go out of our way to denounce them in public or risk being labelled the same way.

      1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 9:08pm

        @sven and William….
        …..finally some voices of sense from the wilderness

      2. Calm down dears its only a protest and as with any protest all sorts of elements will try to hijack an event for their own agenda, like east london pride and edl

        1. Exactly,

          A protest is a protest, no one had exclusive ownership of it.

          1. Paddyswurds 18 Apr 2011, 11:14pm

            Anyone know what happened to Stu. I miss his well thought and intelligent comments and replies.

      3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 9:28am

        No Sven you just chosing to listen to the worse people are putting up not the experiences of those who attended. So a tiny group bicker and suddenly thats the whole protest? Seriously?

        1. It becomes the whole protest when the extremists in our so-called community reveal themselves to be monstrous thugs who show little tolerance or respect for others and spit in the face of reasoned debate, thereby revealing their true modus operandi – their single-minded desire to trample roughshod over everyone and anyone in their manic, one-track obsession to allow gays to act with impunity wherever and whenever they like and to hell with everyone else.

          WHY stay at a Christian guest house with a no sex policy that applies to all couples when there are hundreds of liberal guest houses in the same town? Why overtly continue to canoodle when you have already been asked to find a room by the pub landlord and then scream to the police and threaten his business in a public show of brazen cowardice – because that’s what playing the victim card is each time. We harm ourselves by taking police time away from going after the REAL homophobic maniacs who beat us up and murder us. Get real!!

          1. WHY stay at a Christian guest house with a no sex policy that applies to all couples when there are hundreds of liberal guest houses in the same town?

            William, you seem to assume these incidents were sparked by people seeking to make trouble, rather than people standing up for themselves when treated unfairly. As far as the B&B incident is concerned, if I recall correctly the no-sex policy was NOT made clear when the booking was made on the telephone, the customers were turned away on arrival when they turned out to be a male couple. It is also on record that unmarried heterosexual couples have stayed in that B&B without any no-sex-outside-marriage policy being made clear. While I agree with you that there are more important struggles too, the bias in your way of thinking is sometimes too sadly clear.

          2. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:25pm

            “WHY stay at a Christian guest house with a no sex policy that applies to all couples when there are hundreds of liberal guest houses in the same town?”

            That doesn’t make sense, are you saying that same sex couples cannot refrain from sex?

            All you do is show that you want things unequal. I dispute your use of the term “We” in any harm when you are the once restricting others to equality.

            Don’t we all deserve to be treated equality no matter what sexual orientation? and that means being able to walk the street hand in hand without being harrassed for it. It also includes kissing too.

          3. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 12:39pm

            ……. “WHY stay at a Christian guest house with a no sex policy that applies to all couples when there are hundreds of liberal guest houses in the same town?”

            I really must make it clear that while i agree with you about the whole straight pub charade i just cannot agree with the above quote. For a start the two people in question in this case had no indication of the homophobia of the xtian B&B owners until they attempted to check in. To turn round and leave after being told they weren’t welcome because they were Gay would have been humiliating and simply wrong. Also there is no comparison in the two cases. The pub queens were not denied goods or services initially but were ejected when they confronted the ,management after being told to cool their ardour three times, and caused a scene. The B&B owners had no such excuse. Please don’t get carried away when arguing with the witless queens shouting the odds on this thread. Doing so diminishes your legitimate points.

  62. Anyone wondering what the heck we are intensely debating here, check out this video of the organiser of last Friday’s “kiss-in” throwing his monstrous weight around and spitting, yes, spitting as a group of peace activists:

    1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 9:43am

      They arn’t peace activists. That is the socialist workers party, aka oppurtunists that use any protest from gaza to iraq to further their own party and promote themselves. I myself am more on the left politically but the way they hijack everything for self promotion is nauseating as hell.

      you are a complete tool. Why does this still continue to annoy you? Can’t you let go or are you that self hating?

      1. Oh, so that makes spitting in their faces right, does it? I stand corrected!

        1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 9:53am

          No not at all, was a very bad thing to do but you trying to say that he was just spitting at “peace” activists because he is just some sort of hateful thug is wrong. It got heated because yet again the SWP were trying yet again to take something as there own for shameless self promotion. You come across as dreadfully right wing and a daily mail reader yourself so you should be probably be agreeing with me.

          You are trying to tar everyone who supported the right to kiss in a way that is aggressive or lunatic fringe. Are you actually a gay man or infact some sort of rabid christofascist undercover trying to stir up sh**e?

          1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 9:57am

            “WHY stay at a Christian guest house with a no sex policy that applies to all couples when there are hundreds of liberal guest houses in the same town?”

            Haha!! think you just blew your cover a bit there, mate.

          2. The hulking leader of the kissathon pack has a face that is deeply etched with hatred and intolerance. Elsewhere people are claiming he behaves like a thug on the gay scene also. I can most certainly say I would not like to cross his path on a dark night.

            Now, compare with someone like Tatchell whose face is lined with the fatigue and devotion of giving his entire life to passionately campaigning for essential gay rights through peaceful protest and earning the respect of even the bigoted Daily Mail for heaven’s sake!

            In one fell swoop along comes this high octane Muscle Mary, nostrils flared and eyes narrowly demented, who risks destroying everything Tatchell fought for if he doesn’t learn how to control his public persona.

          3. @ William: I agree with you about Tatchell, but I think you might be over-reacting to what was undoubtedly an unfortunate incident. I’d say that far more people have seen Paul Shetler on the BBC and Sky news broadcasts than in that one YouTube clip (despite you posting it twice here), where he came across pretty well I’d say.

          4. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 10:44am

            “The hulking leader of the kissathon pack has a face that is deeply etched with hatred and intolerance”

            So you are judging paul cause of an altercation he had with the SWP and because he looks after his body, enjoys bodybuilding and had a face that is not pleasing to you – he is full of hatred?

            I think you are channelling small man syndrome buddy.. that is the only real “hatred” going on here. Myself being 6ft6 and also an amateaur bodybuilder I have seen it many times before, insecure small men feeling the need to either bitch about me (usually gay men) or try to start a fight with me (usually straight men).

            What I really want to know is why two men kissing in public really inspires so much anger in you…? Is it because you haven’t kissed a man in a very long long time?

          5. How the hell did this story suddenly become a character assassination on Paul Shetlar? Some evil twisted dudes on here- Paddy for instance saying he’s been on contact with the Borders Agency about Shetlar’s immigration status, paddy you are one sad f11k. William is spouting the same verbal diarrhea, I’m assuming they’re one and the same person.

          6. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:17am

            …….well you assume wrong and saying it over and over ad nauseum won’t make it so. Methinks that the bailiff is the biggest poacher in the forest in that regard….pet!

          7. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:33am

            ……..No “heated moment” in this day and age warrants a thug from spitting in anyones face and i sincerely hope they sue him for assault.The ” huge crowd”, estimated to number 75 to 80 people who were ther in support of this thug are no friends of the British GLB community and should have a serious rethink about what this persons real motives are. A lifetimes hard work by Peter Tachell is in danger of going down the pan as the millions of people who support real Gay rights get fed up with the histrionics of a small fringe of brainless whingers and trouble makers attempt to take control of mainstream GLB culture.
            The ongoing charade over a couple of these whining marys being thrown out of a straight pub for causing a scene when they were asked to behave is typical of their brainless agitating..

          8. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 11:45am


            despite what you think of paul, at least he saw what he perceived as injustice, got of his arse and did something – unlike you paddy – someone who spends eternity sitting on his ass constantly on pink news as a full time apologist for homophobia.

            You would have likely hated tatchell had this been the 80s, when the rights we have now were deemed just as “unnaceptable” as two sweet guys enjoying a soft kiss.

            If all gay men were total apologist pussies like you and william we would probably be all in concentration camps by now.

          9. @ Paddyswurds: this is exactly the way people used to refer to Peter Tatchell in the past (and frequently still do).

            The general reaction to the ‘kiss-in’ last week, as far as I can glean, seems to have been amused, not hostile. If you have evidence to the contrary, other than a few anonymous posts on assorted internet threads, why not present it to us? Otherwise it’s nothing more than speculation based on your own opinion.

          10. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:57am

            ……no “heated moment” in this day and age warrants a thug spitting in … obv**

          11. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 12:08pm

            ……as i am currently on the train from Montreal to Boston there isn’t much else one can do ‘cept read your drivel on PN and try as one might to show you and your cohorts the error of your ways. Again you weren’t supporting the right to kiss you were supporting two silly queens who caused a scene when they were asked three time to cool their ardour.
            seeing as we dont have concentration camps i think the best place for you and your ilk is Broadmoor.

          12. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:41pm

            Has anyone else noticed that both William and Paddy both seem to have a problem with people who clearly look after themselves. Clearly a fear of Good looking men with a few muscles in the right place.

            William using the term ‘Muscle Mary’ against Paul Shelter and Paddys… ‘@musclemary’ towards, I assume, musclelad23 who he disagrees with on here.

            To quote Paddys.. “Jealous much!”, to my knowledge as yet I haven’t actually said that.

            Both keep saying the turnout was low even though it has been said many, many times it was more like 200 – 300 possibly more. Both using Peter Tatchell to prove his (sorry their) arguement(s).

      2. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 12:26pm

        @Muscles …
        …you weren’t as vocal or worked up about the hated EDL trying to use a GLB “pride” in East London as a cover to harass and intimidate the Asian/Muslim community in that part of London. I wonder if this Shetlar person has any connection to these ultra right wing fascist racist groups?

        1. @Paddyswurds

          You seem to be resorting to Godwins Law again, instead of reasoned debate. Whys is that?

        2. .@Paddyswurds

          You seem to be resorting to Godwins Law again, instead of reasoned debate. Why is that?

          1. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:34pm

            ….well well you do know what that is i presume although your post would indicate otherwise. In what way did i invoke Godwins Law. Your understanding of the principle is sadly wanting. A spell with Encylopedia Britannica is in order i think.You will find what you need under G, i think.

        3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:48pm

          “…East London as a cover to harass and intimidate the Asian/Muslim community…”

          Because the homophobic posters in the area were not there to ‘harrass and intimidate’ the LGBT community in that part of London.

          Your arguements are getting weaker. What with the above, the support for Christian B&Bs and the general wishing us to remain second class citizens all while calling everyone victims.

          Who are you really?

          1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 12:52pm

            Totally agree, he is an apologist for both muslim and christian extremists it seems.

          2. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 6:48pm

            …where have i ever showed support for xtian B&Bs….Now i’m certain you can’t read

          3. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:38pm

            …………Do you think somehow that other people can’t read my post as well as you, cause you obviously either can’t read or you don’t understand what you are reading???

        4. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 12:51pm

          Wrong. As my family are muslim an I am non practicing one – I was against EDL hijacking the east london pride. Go back to the news story and you can see my comments.

          Stop stirring shi**te

        5. This talk of an EDL plot in East London is nothing but hear say, put about by far left lunatics. You have not a scrap of evidence, apart from the fact that one organiser had EDL sympathies.

          Meanwhile in East London, the latest news is the death threats and constant harrassment of a non-muslim pharmacist who won’t cover her face, and the vandalising of adverts for a women’s clothes retailer.

          Paddy here won’t say a word against that of course. Obviously that was an EDL plot too, like the slashing of the face of an RE teacher who taught girls about other faiths in the area, and the death threats against a female Tower Hamlets councillor for wearing jeans…. homophobia is but ONE of many manifestations of islamist hate and it’s time this vermin were removed from society.

          1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 3:08pm

            “Obviously that was an EDL plot too, like the slashing of the face of an RE teacher who taught girls about other faiths in the area, and the death threats against a female Tower Hamlets councillor for wearing jeans…. ”

            ^ That is shocking and totally abhorrant adrian-t

            thanks for pointing it out for me.

          2. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 3:16pm

            Also I will say I was concerned initially that it might be an EDL thing, cause I have had family members specifically attacked by EDL activists for simply no reason, so naturally I was suspicious.

            On the other hand I do somewhat realise why the EDL is so popular now, psychotic islamists seem to be allowed to do whatever they want with no consequence. And gay people should be very worried. Just don’t think people with far right tendancies make good bedfellows either.

            Why is the world so full of hate…

          3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 3:59pm

            Why is the world so full of hate…

            Exactly and people want to quibble about a kiss!

    2. Like it or not !!!

      This country as a rich history of heated and some times disorderly protest.

      At the beginning of the 20th century, women did not get the vote by staying at home writing letters to thier MPs.

      Women took to the streets, some chained themselves to buidlings, some attacked the police, and some died. All so that women could have the same voting rights as men

      1. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:49pm

        Exactly JohnK.

    3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 3:45pm

      Two thinks WIlliam

      You never went to the Protest so you don’t know the facts


      If your living in Ireland and this protest was in London, how is it going to affect you?

    4. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 3:45pm

      Two things WIlliam

      You never went to the Protest so you don’t know the facts?


      If your living in Ireland and this protest was in London, how is it going to affect you?

  63. With respect, Musclelad23, you are a little out of your intellectual depth here. If you can’t absorb and digest what people are saying and jump to ill-informed conclusions to suit your narrow and rather immature view of the world then kindly stick to the barbells.

    Where, for example, do you get the idea that the sight of two men kissing inspires anger in me? Hell no, particularly if they also happen to be sexy (which, unfortunately, the two tongue-duelling squealers were not).

    No, what angers me as I keep saying – although clearly you have a selective filter in your brain that ignores rational debate – is that I’m angered by the militancy of an extreme minority of gays who step over the line time and again in their demented pursuit of “equal rights” at all costs, to the point where they are wearing out everyone’s patience – that of straights and the majority of chilled out gay people alike and to whom the same boundaries of socially acceptable behaviour apply equally.

    Got that now?

    1. I should have emphasised SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR above, because that’s what this all boils down to. We’ve won our rights in the workplace and to have our partnerships legally recognised. Now the militants are scraping the barrel looking for discrimination where it just doesn’t exist, and they twist and distort the facts to suit their agenda and resort to intimidation and bullying in shouting down all opposition.

      What makes them so dangerous in their fanaticism is there close-mindedness and inability to see an argument from other viewpoints, particularly the opposing one. To perhaps consider “Hey, perhaps we have stepped a little too far on this occasion” but being too stubborn and opinionated to admit it even when the weight of evidence begins to reveal the truth.

      It is the truth they are scared of most of all because the more it is shone on them the more they resort to hurling abuse because they have lost the argument and have nowhere left to run. Which is where we are at now.

    2. But William, you seem to be projecting your own anger – expressed in a militant, not to say often hysterical, manner – on others. I’m uncertain of the basis on which you feel you can speak for straights and the majority of ‘chilled-out gay people’ (a category that you couldn’t possibly, judging from the way you write, include you). OK, so there may be a few bigoted posts on various threads, there always are, but I find it hard to believe you have significant evidence that the protest last Friday has made people look on gay rights less favourably.

      1. I refer to the aforementioned comments section of the ultra-left wing Guardian newspaper for the evidence you are ignoring of people who have had enough of gays trying to hog the limelight.

        People who identify as gay make up 2% max of the population and the extremist lobby perhaps less than 2% of that total. Yet it wants to get in everyone’s faces seemingly everywhere and all the time.

        The general public already know “We’re here, we’re queer”. They thought we’d stopped playing the victim card with the legislation for gay civil partnerships. Now they are getting sick to the back teeth of ALL gays, and it is the minority crating this backlash that is tarring us ALL with the same brush.

        I’m just a normal gay guy with a normal life but now becoming too scared to be open about my sexuality because of the militancy of a few narrow-minded bigots in OUR community that don’t care less about the rights of ALL to live in a balanced and fair society that respects the sensibilities of all.

        1. I tried to look for it, but the only ‘live blog’ I could find on the site (I’m supposed, ahem, to be at work so I’m a little limited in time) had – as is usual for such reports – quotes both pro and con. That doesn’t, to me, signal a serious shift in attitudes. A link to the discussion you’re referring to would help.

        2. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 11:58am

          The guardian is “ultra left wing”?

          Bloody hell you really are a rabid seig heiler aren’t you mate..?

          I suppose you really just want us gays to go back to strictly attacking muslims only, and to leave the good old white, british hetero majority alone. Because you feel safer and happier then.

          Sorry Nick griffin, it doesn’t work that.

          If you too scared to be open about your sexuality, then you really need to either get new friends or resolve your self hatred.

          1. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 12:15pm

            …..Ah, the inevitable Godwins Law drops in again…….
            Seig heilers were ultra right wing, pet.

            The Guardian would be considered centre left/ liberal. But then one wouldn’t expect the illiterate to know that.

          2. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 12:18pm

            …you castigate me for “sitting on my ass constantly on PN” Why are you on PN at this time of day btw. On the dole are we? Hmmmmmm.

          3. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 12:35pm

            “The Guardian would be considered centre left/ liberal. But then one wouldn’t expect the illiterate to know that.”

            I was referring to william calling the guardian ultra left wing you complete idiot. Read before you post.

            I’m on pinknews because I’m a self employed graphic designer so I have flexible time, not because I have no life but apologising for homophobia all day.

          4. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 1:08pm


            Why are you calling someone musclemary when that isn’t their nickname? Are you just naturally a bully?

          5. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 1:08pm

            Note how Both Paddys… and William are using the Guardian.

          6. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 6:18pm

            ….my tag isn’t Paddys either… it’s Paddyswurds

        3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 1:06pm

          “They thought we’d stopped playing the victim card with the legislation for gay civil partnerships.”

          Erm, crazy says what now?

          “I’m just a normal gay guy with a normal life but now becoming too scared to be open about my sexuality because of the militancy of a few narrow-minded bigots in OUR community that don’t care less about the rights of ALL to live in a balanced and fair society that respects the sensibilities of all.”

          Yes, I dispute that your actually Gay at all. Your ideas are not for “…ALL to live in a balanced and fair society that respects the sensibilities of all.”

          Suspicious? Too damn right. Why do I get the feeling you ( and your many names) maybe somehow in the same line as a certain David Skinner?

    3. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 11:25am

      If that’s what youv’e deluded yourself into thinking – ok.

      Amazing the way people decieve themselves to suit such a deep and innate self hatred for being gay

      Can I ask how wanting to stay in a christian guesthouse, in a country that has specific SECULAR, equality laws is somehow a “demented pursuit”. If the christians and pub landlords of this country don’t like it, they can get the hell out. That is what I am sure your attitude to muslims is, so why can’t you apply it to christians and other people from the intolerant right?

      By the way, it’s incredibly lazy to try and win an argument by simply calling the other person stupid and immature.

      1. His entire argument in here has been a hissy fit laced with words like “PC nonsense” and “gay militia”. The ramblings of a paranoid mind who’s only outlet is insulting behaviour on a gay site.

        1. Will, oh come on now. You can do better than that, surely? Change the record, or is it just so much easier for you to cut and paste the same old “witty” retort as you have done 2000 times before? Yawn………….

          1. Is that it? Yawn, indeed.

        2. Could some one tell me what the “Gay Militia” is, perhaps they wear combat uniforms, or carrying big guns?


      2. Intolerant, moi? musclelad23, you hang yourself with your own words. You are a disgrace to the gay community.

        1. ”Disgrace to the gay community”- you are so Paddy you crazy f11k. Paddy uses that phrase EVERYTIME someone disagrees with him.

          1. Hmmm, now, Paddy, it couldn’t perhaps just be, could it, that great minds think alike? But then it would know a great mind to know that, wouldn’t it, rather than constantly indulging in conspiracy theories that we are one and the same, Mind, I am duly flattered to be equated with your grand self, and I am sure you are thinking the same thing also.

            Y’know Paddy, our intellect is clearly wasted here on trolls too ignorant and bigoted to appreciate us. Now pass me the Ambre Solaire Pads, there’s a love (left hand duly passes sun lotion to right). Oh, but I do love getting the poor dears in such a tailspin of a tizzy. LOL!!!

        2. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 11:50am

          Please define in what way I am disgrace. Although I doubt you can, you just seem to make ridiculous statement – and if you actually read my response I didn’t specifically call you intolerant.

          I said:

          “That is what I am sure your attitude to muslims is, so why can’t you apply it to christians and other people from the intolerant right? ”

          I’m noticing how you still evade answering any of my question.

          1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 11:52am

            I am a disgrace* statements* and questions* sorry

            I am so tired today, oops.

        3. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 1:10pm

          Wrong as you are about musclelad23, at least he IS part of the Gay community, not using it to make statements of a community you clearly know Nothing about.

    4. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 12:57pm

      I find it funny how someone talk about knee jerk reactions and protesting without knowing the facts but clearly believe he is the only one who knows the facts.

      It is remarkable that someone attacks all for an innocent kiss-off protest as premature just does exactly the same thing while sitting on his ass doing absolutely nothing.

      Unlike some one hear I and most others go with the law of the land of innocent until proven guilty. Not Paddys…/William, whoever you are for the moment, Guilty, slayed and harrassed until proven innocent.

      Even if you were correct the demo wasn’t violent Apart from one incident you cannot seem to stop highlighting but the many 100’s that Actually were there made a Very valid point, a valid protest.

      That you seem to wish us all to remain second class in society with you makes me wonder, Who you really are?

      Suspicious? Definitely! And I hope I am not the only one.

      Obsessive much!

  64. gee, 515 posts, someone tell me why is gay protesting so controversial within certain section of gay community, its like they want to compete with daily mail readership in expressing shock and horror, its like oh my gosh gays are revolting again.

    1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 12:31pm

      Because alot of gay want to attach themselves to the reactionary closed minded right wing because it makes them feel like the fit in.

      Sad really.

  65. This paddyswurds bloke is a f*ucking co*k

    1. He’s an abortion that backfired, he has a dent in the top of his head from where the clothes hanger failed to pull him out.

      1. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:49pm

        ………Trolling darkrooms can hardly be termed as conquests, old dear. The fact that you have to frequent such sordid establishments says all one would want to know about you. You are probably a well known face on the local cottage scene as well no doubt. These are not life experiences to be proud of and certainly not stories you will ever be able to tell or even care to remember, so one isn’t surprised at your obvious sour grapes jibes.

    2. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:41pm


  66. musclelad23:

    “If the christians and pub landlords of this country don’t like it, they can get the hell out.”

    Intolerance with a capital ‘I’. Pot, kettle, black anyone?

    1. Jock S. Trap 27 Apr 2011, 12:54pm

      Coming from you… Hilarious!

  67. Children, I am outta here to enjoy basking beneath that glorious yellow orb floating in the sky. Mind, I wouldn’t expect you to know what day light is basking as you do behind closed doors, attached squid-like to your computer consoles ready to pounce upon and lynch the next unsuspecting naysayer.

    Just good to have hung on in there and stirred the rabble up into a frenzy of twisted knicker elastic as they scuttle around like cockroaches beneath an upturned stone in search of the nearest deep and dank crevice to find shelter in.

    Now, where’s the sun block…

    1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 12:39pm

      What a demented queen with such delusions of grandeur… nice to see youve given up on your failed argument though.

      Good riddance.

    2. Ah, so you admit you were just stirring, William? I did think so from the way you avoided answering reasonable points put to you. Shame.

      Enjoy the sun, and I hope you feel relaxed after exposure to it.

    3. William wrote

      “Just good to have hung on in there and stirred the rabble up into a frenzy of twisted knicker elastic as they scuttle around like cockroaches beneath an upturned stone in search of the nearest deep and dank crevice to find shelter in.”

      William you appear to be the one running off!

      1. Now that “William” has f11ked off will Paddyswurds posts increase in number again

        1. Jock S. Trap 19 Apr 2011, 1:12pm

          I expect so, or hell steal a name or another fresh new one will appear.

        2. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:48pm

          ………Trolling darkrooms can hardly be termed as conquests, old dear. The fact that you have to frequent such sordid establishments says all one would want to know about you. You are probably a well known face on the local cottage scene as well no doubt. These are not life experiences to be proud of and certainly not stories you will ever be able to tell or even care to remember, so one isn’t surprised at your obvious sour grapes jibes.

    4. Don’t burn to death (too much) in the heat.

      1. TROLLS!!! SURPRISE!!!! Oh the wonders of the latest version of the Blackberry (TM)

        1. musclelad23 19 Apr 2011, 1:06pm

          dear lord,

          You announce you are leaving in the most dramatic camp theatrical way possible, then reappear?

          how very sad of you.

          1. Just needs the attention, bless him. Like all fools.

          2. O dear

            More dramatics than the RSC

            Any one for a little more “Comedy of errors”

      2. Paddyswurds 19 Apr 2011, 11:47pm

        ………Trolling darkrooms can hardly be termed as conquests, old dear. The fact that you have to frequent such sordid establishments says all one would want to know about you. You are probably a well known face on the local cottage scene as well no doubt. These are not life experiences to be proud of and certainly not stories you will ever be able to tell or even care to remember, so one isn’t surprised at your obvious sour grapes jibes.

        1. As opposed to trolling chatrooms like you. You gimp features

          1. Paddyswurds 20 Apr 2011, 8:12pm

            Gaydar yes sometimes at the weekend but only for chat ….what is a gimp btw???

  68. Wow what a tan. Now where was I? Ah yes…

    Rehan: “Far more people have seen Paul Shetler on the BBC and Sky news broadcasts than on YouTube where he came across pretty well I’d say.”

    Of course he’s going to make an effort to behave when he knows the camera’s pointing at him. It is the pit bull alias he assumes the rest of the time when he thinks no one is looking that is scary.

    Musclelad23: “I think you are channelling small man syndrome buddy.. Myself being 6ft6 and also an amateaur bodybuilder I have seen it many times before…”

    Spending half your life meaninglessly throwing weights around just so you can use your body to attract men rather than exercising your mind for the same ends actually reveals you to be an insecure and rather dumb individual.

    Jock: “Note how Both Paddys… and William are using the Guardian.”

    Careful with your paranoid conspiracy theorising Jock – next you’ll be claiming the planet is controlled by green lizard men. Change the record, the meds, or both.

    1. You should have stayed in the sun, your brief absence was vastly more interesting than your flaccid wit…..

      1. Jock S. Trap 20 Apr 2011, 10:41am

        Here, Here!!

      2. Flaccid wit verging on flatulence

  69. wenchsammas 20 Apr 2011, 12:23am

    I’m not Prejudice in any way shape or form. But be they Gay, lesbian, straight, White purple, black, Green,red, Chiniese, Young,old,ect ect ( Do I honestly need to add more description??) I find Intense Public displays of affection pretty rude and unsightly, Its not nice for other people to see and it can make people feel awkward. I think if you must do something in public either keep it out of sight or keep it vanilla, ( Cheek pecking, brief lip kiss, hand holding, cuddling ect)

    Granted I disagree with how the Landlord/staff dealt with this matter but it bares giving a second thought to the situation, as pepa said, Bombarding the place with Porn is also not the best way to fight back, as much as im aposed to PDA’s Is some one walked in the bar nude.. well there’d be no issue with them being thrown out. As Gahndi said “an eye for an eye makes the world blind” or as my mum says “If you fight fire with fire you end up with burnt knuckles at best”

  70. Its a shame that those poor guys got booted from the pub, i live in syracuse ny and believe me, i cant stand the fact that my partner and i cannot walk down the street holding hands or kiss in a pub. But i also agree with pepa, sexy pics of men doin whatever is over the top for me, it makes the gay population once again look like sex driven crazies! Not self respecting citizens who just want to be able to give thier lover a kiss when he feels the need.Just a sad situation!

    1. Jock S. Trap 20 Apr 2011, 2:59pm

      “sexy pics of men doin whatever ” erm standing? topless? Oh No, shocking.

      Blimey a new story, or yet more claims of things that never happened. I was there.

      Would some on here please get off on the next stop…. Next stop Loony City Centre.. Ding Ding!!

      1. Jock was the “pity poor me” on the BBC’s coverage, who couldn’t get anyone to kiss him for love nor money. I think that helped us to get an insight into why he is the way he is, and why he has made PN and his laptop computer (which he rather endearingly calls “hubby”) his life. Poor dear.

        1. Jock S. Trap 21 Apr 2011, 10:07am

          You really are over obsessed with me ain’t ya.. LOL. Sad little man.

          1. wenchsammas 5 May 2011, 11:58am

            Jock, get a life

  71. Paddys, ‘yawn’ you can copy and paste that quote of yours as many times as you like old timer but it doesn’t make you the wit than YOU think you are. Having said that you seem to have insider knowledge of the cottaging scene, so I’ll keep my eyes peeled for an elderly twisted needle-dicked old man and steer well clear of you.

    1. Paddyswurds 20 Apr 2011, 8:05pm

      Dont waste your time…You wont find me in England anytime soon old girl. I’m quite happy with what i have thank you and dont need to troll the darkrooms or cottages of Derrylondon. What makes you think i have insider knowledge of the cottage scene. I haven’t but that doesn’t say i don’t know about what goes on in the English inner cities. You are strangely ageist…dont you expect to make it to sixty??

  72. Could be wrong but my feeling is that they were asked to leave the pub because they refused to stop kissing; i.e. it was that refusal that sparked the confrontation in defiance of the request as distinct from the kissing itself which took the scenario into another phase if you will. If I was asked to desist from doing something in a pub by the proprietor and defied that request, I wouldn’t simply carry on in defiance and expect nothing to happen. This is a separate issue from whether the guys were the targets of homophobia; although I accept that they probably were; but that depends on whether the pub would’ve done the same thing to a straight couple who were asked to leave. Overall, common sense must prevail; there is a difference between an expression of affection and an expression of lust – a kiss, a cuddle, an embrace, an arm around the shoulder; all should be welcome. Intimations of intercourse are very different be they str8 or gay.

    1. Jock S. Trap 24 Apr 2011, 11:18am

      Yet whenever I have drank in that pub I have seen both Straight and Gay couples kiss (and vice versa).
      So why on This occasion?

      1. Paddyswurds 24 Apr 2011, 7:20pm

        ….because they were unmannerly drama queens.

        1. Jock S. Trap 25 Apr 2011, 7:10am

          Again Paddys… that makes no sense. Maybe lay off the drink an sober up.

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