Gay rights supporter who still disapproves of gay people… …Okay, that’s a new one.
Well, there’s a lot that straights do that I disagree with such as….adultery, philandering, rape, importuning female prostitutes for financial gain, sex trafficking, wife swapping…but I don’t want them to be barred from anything. Live and let live. I wonder why the NOM doesn’t go after their hetero offenders, the real threat to marriage and first get their own dirty house in order?
their hetero offenders, the real threat to marriage…
Exactly. I’ve never understood how making marriage available to a larger number of people was supposed to be a threat.
There are health risk for straight women as well, like cancers and death in childbirth or Fallopian pregnancies. I am sure the health risk to being straight are the same as being Gay. Straight people get sexual diseases as well including HIV
Often these people are only happiest when they can pigeon-hole us with labels. The Them and Us thing. I personally feel it’s the most destructive side to humanity.
Well, he’s still got some very silly ideas in his head (he’s religious, by definition he has some very silly ideas in his head), and he seems a somewhat odious person because of them, but he has recognised the importance of tolerance, secular cooperation and equality before the law. That’s the bottom line. That’s the minimum we should settle for. We can live peacefully alongside people like that if we have to.
Yes, I do agree with that.
There’s really nothing different from his position and the saying attributed (falsely?) to Voltaire: “I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
I really don’t care how my fellow Americans feel about Gays and the gay lifestyle, inasmuch as my fellow Americans shouldn’t care how I feel about conservatives, the religious right, or other factions in our beloved USA that I find odious. I will still defend their right to exist as long as they don’t trample on my right to exist.
I respect Marinelli for his U-turn. It can’t have been easy to admit that he was wrong and I suspect he’ll get a lot of flack for this.
I also respect him for saying:
“I personally disagree with it. The same
way I disagree with many other things
other people do with their lives.”
I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, as long as they accept that I have just as much of a right to live my life as they have to live theirs. There are plenty of things in the heterosexual world and in the Christian religious world I disagree with, but I respect their right to live their lives the way they want, as long as it doesn’t affect me. I think we owe the same to Marinelli.
A gay rights supporter who disapproves of gays? I have no problem with that in this case since he has the intelligence to separate his issues with our right to equality.
Good on him.
This is a serious blow to anti gay NOM, they are trying to downplay this defection by describing Marinelli as no more than a bus driver but he was in fact a contracted core player in the NOM organisation.
They’re Not bitter then?
I’m a California resident in one of the most conservative counties in the US (Reagan launched his presidential bid here). In 2008 I was part of the door-to-door and calling campaign for “No on 8″. What I discovered was that sharing my story as a gay man and a neighbor I could feel the seeds of doubt being planted in those I talked with about their knee jerk opposition to the proposed legislation. It gives me great satisfaction to know that many of them are coming around. We’ve got to keep sharing our stories in a relateable way and we’ll get there eventually.
His opinion is actually quite thoughtful. I wish he were affirmatively APPROVING of homosexuality, of course. But it actually takes a higher degree of reason to be able to say, as he does, that just because you disapprove doesn’t mean it should be illegal. Just because you disapprove doesn’t mean that means people should be treated differently under the law. It’s a mindset that all of society should have towards those actions that we “disapprove” of, whether it is porn actors, sex workers, etc. Of course the analogy isn’t precise — one really should not disapprove of something like homosexuality that isn’t chosen — but nevertheless, it is an important lesson that mere disapproval of one’s life or one’s choices is not a good reason to advocate for the law to treat someone differently.
Just because you disapprove doesn’t mean that means people should be treated differently under the law.
Absolutely. A straightforward enough proposition that seems to be tremedously hard to get through to some people.
Yet more proof of what I say about most Nutjobs. They only ever assume, they never want to get to know the LGBT community before spewing vile.
Clearly here we have an exception to the rule and as I say proof, that they really should get to know us. Of course most won’t before that don’t want their assumtions proven wrong.
I welcome his comments, I don’t so much accept he thinks we are still wrong but at least he’s removed himself from that denial barrier to come of fighting for our equality.
More could do with listening.
Lets not forget there are many in our own community who don’t think we should be allowed to marry but to keep CPs for gays only. They hate marriage yet they support CPs which clearly mimic marriage, in fact based on it as a model, somewhat of a conflict there. In a true democracy, rights are expanded to include everyone, not just one group and should never be contracted against one group only and not others.
Read here what Louis Marinelli says about the tiny number of Catholic donors and individuals who make up NOM’s organisation who are coming between gays and marriage equality.