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  1. peterdaddy 9 Apr 2011, 10:01pm

    Professor Roberto De Mattei should read Gibbons’ “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”. Christians are blamed for the fall of the Roman Empire in that book.

    1. Personally I think it all went a bit downhill once Emperor Constantine became a fundie, but what do I know?

  2. Typical religious scumbag. Do they have to take a number to decide who is going to be “Hateful tosspot of the week?”

  3. This is ludicrous. The Roman empire fell due to conspiracy, corruption, ego, incest. Homosexuality was not the issue that brought it down as it was a common practice between the old Greeks and the old Romans.

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:13am

      Indeed. They can’t seem to make their minds up. One minute homosexuality is a new concept created in the 18th/19th century despite history then suddenly we’re to blame for Roman Empires fall. It’s an insult. It’s suggesting that because it was Homosexuality it made the Roman Empire somehow weak. Then what do you expect religion has been at war against us for centuries and still doing it, those now playing the victim much more because they are finally loosing that war.

      Religion usually has it’s dirty hands in most dirty dealings throughout history. Yet more proof they’ll do anything to keep their twisted discriminating ways.

  4. I would blame the fall of the empire on an overstreched military, poor economy, and poor leadership from certain emperors. I have no idea why the question of sexuality came into question, especially considering that homosexuality existed throughout the empire.

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:16am

      An corrupt religions. The questioning of sexuality has always come down to religion.

      I’m just pleased that now we tending finally towards questioning of religion, which is the one thing they absolutely hate.

  5. How do these people mange to obtain positions in academia with such ridiculous and biased beliefs amazes me.

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:18am

      Yep I agree. I take it they only last for as long as people are willing to listen to his his/their tripe.

      At least he is right about one particular downfall because of hoimosexuality…. His own.

  6. martyn notman 9 Apr 2011, 11:11pm

    ok so let me get this straight..a huge hoard of Visigoths, Alans, Sueves, Ostrogoths etc came west cos they heard that every one in Rome liked gay sex? Ok ive seen a few stampedes in Canal Street but thats taking the piss!
    Frankly the reason Rome “fell” (and if you were a Byzantine it didnt for a thousand years) was that it failed to maintain its civil structure, keep its citizens well integrated, protect itself from uncontrolled immigration, and most of all keep its self identity. By the end there were so many germans in the empire it was expecting kin to fight against kin….

  7. Blimey – first we’re blamed for America going to hell, and now we’re blamed for the fall of the Roman Empire.

    That’s some track record in history that we have!

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:21am

      Yep we ‘Gays’ certainly are blamed for an awful lot. Usually the downfall of something. I’m sure they pull ‘em out of a hat. Wonder what it’ll be next week?

      1. It’s still quite the CV we all have isn’t it. I suspect the next one will be “end of oil supplies” is down to the gays…

        1. Paddyswurds 10 Apr 2011, 11:23am

          @ Dan….
          ….of course…..it been the over use of vaseline and lube. We’ve been using way over our ration.!! lol

        2. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 11:32am

          Actually you might be right. Even though most LGBT people I know, including myself, are staying as green as possible and encouraging others to do so, I suspect it will be our fault somewhere down the line in time to come.

    2. Makes a change from the Jews I guess.

  8. Helen Wilson 9 Apr 2011, 11:18pm

    “The invasion of the Barbarians (of Rome] was seen as punishment for this moral transgression. It is well known that effeminate men and homosexuals have no place in the Kingdom of God. Homosexuality was not rife among the Barbarians, and this shows that God’s justice comes throughout history, not at the end of time.”

    1. Helen Wilson 9 Apr 2011, 11:25pm

      It was only christians that claim gay people are ‘effeminate’ ignoring the tradition of legionnaires being gay and they managed to take most of Europe and Egypt ect…. without being effeminate and weak!

      I take it the author of these claims has never met a gay German?

      1. martyn notman 9 Apr 2011, 11:39pm

        legionaries were never supposed to be gay..it was punished very heavily cos of the superior/inferior thing..i think you are thinking of greece and carthage where it was de rigeur..but in common social life it wasnt that unusual even for people of common status. As for the idiotic and ill informed statement from helen above i would point to to fact that it is VERY well documented amongst germanic tribes..hence the discovery last week of a gay burial of a man in the czech republic. Try reading love its good for expanding the limited mind!

        1. Helen Wilson 10 Apr 2011, 12:09am

          Yes all those legionaries spending hours in baths cleaning the grime off each other while not being gay!

          Maybe you should read books written by real historians and the historic accounts (you know the ones that talk about the legionaries building bond with each other through having anal and oral sex)

          Stop the Christian revisionist crap, for much of its history the Roman Empire was more gay than it was Christian. They even built temples to celebrate it.

          If you took more than a millisecond to read what I wrote you would see I mocking the author for thinking no Barbarians could not of been gay.

          1. Helen, You are so right. The Romans believed in deities that did not include the Christian deities.
            and on top of that:
            well I think this is ludicrous! The fall of the Roman Empire started with Constantine I who was Christened after death and who in life supported Athanasious against the Arians, the later considered Jesus of a similar form to God whilst Athanasious and his team considered Jesus of “the same essence” of God. The Vatican is not sitting where it is due to Jesus being taken to it, as a matter of fact, Jesus never went to Rome nor his disciples!
            xxx

          2. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:43am

            Exactly. It yet again proves the theory that religion always blames society for its own actions. It is usually always religion which is behind a fall, a war, a famine etc.

            The Romans were barbaric in war but also they respected how other people were. Yes there were always some who doubted but being Gay in the Empire was seem just as much as strong and health as taking as wife. Most notiably was Emperior Hadrian of course. It was religion that chose to spend centuries hiding the fact that he had a Gay, yet while in power he was considered a great warrior, a great peacemaker and had made clear that he was Gay.

          3. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:44am

            His lover, Antinous, accompanied him on his travels around the empire. Only over recent years has the truth been allowed to be known and taught. Even though that relationship ended in tragedy it is now considered on of life great love stories. You know it is only because of religion these facts had been hidden as something to be ashamed of even though in Hadrians rule is wasn’t so much.

          4. Paddyswurds 10 Apr 2011, 11:02am

            @Helen Wilson….
            ….Wasting your time trying to be ironic, mocking or facetious on these threads Helen. Quite a few of the commentators on these threads are American , and they don’t understand irony, or are British and can’t read properly or understand the nuances of their own language, or just choose to be cussed and ignore what you are saying in a vain attempt to big up their own misinformed efforts, while willfully misrepresinting what you said. Read the thread on the dirty station and you’ll see it all laid bare. The ignorance is astounding and a terrible indictment of Britains education system.

      2. I don’t think he was suggesting that all gay people (I guess you mean gay men, as gay women are associated with increased masculinity, not femininity) are feminine, but he was referring to this verse of the Bible (Paul, of course):
        Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, NOR EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
        ‘Abusers of themselves with mankind’ = MSM. In other words, being effeminate is a sin in and of itself. Russell Brand can be as enthusiastically straight as he wants; until he stops mincing about in tight clothing he’s not welcome in heaven either! To be fair to this academic though, he never associated effeminacy with weakness, you did that on your own. In my experience that’s equally false.

  9. martyn notman 10 Apr 2011, 12:18am

    Ok the roman army was not some kind of mass gay porno! in fact homosexuality was punished big time. Surprisingly men can be naked with each other without having rampant sex- roman saunas were NOT the same as the ones in modern day Britain.
    As as for reading ..who do you suggest? Having studied classics and having a degree in archaeology ive already read David Mattingly, AHM jones, Robin lane Fox, Tom Holland, Adrian Goldsworthy, Kevin Butcher..and in fact a lot more than you have id warrent…

    1. martyn notman 10 Apr 2011, 12:24am

      and by the way im gay, im not trying to minimise the impact (real but archaeologically invisible except for the case stated above and things like the Warren Cup pictured) of Gay and Lesbian people in the ancient world. Im just trying to right trite and ill informed comments like helens…

      1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:53am

        Actually Helen makes very excellent points.

        Homosexuality during the empire was a lot more accepted. It was religion that disapproved most significantly the Jews. It was usually religion that caused the problems. (No change there then). When the Jews revolted they were defeated with heavy losses of live. Many Jews were then sold as slaves while the became citizens in other parts of the Roman Empire.

        It has always been religion that has caused the problems. In the end it was religion, not homosexuality that was it’s downfall.

  10. I’m doing my undergraduate for History… I am definitely taking this to my Ancient Rome Professor. I really want to read his work on this. Hahaha.

  11. well I think this is ludicrous! The fall of the Roman Empire started with Constantine I who was Christened after death and who in life supported Athanasious against the Arians, the later considered Jesus of a similar form to God whilst Athanasious and his team considered Jesus of “the same essence” of God. The Vatican is not sitting where it is due to Jesus being taken to it, as a matter of fact, Jesus never went to Rome nor his disciples!

  12. de Villiers 10 Apr 2011, 1:18am

    Truly, the Christian Right are obsessed with anal sex. I am forever amazed at how powerful they seem to think we are – the decline of the family, the disintegration of morals and now, at the top, the collapse of the entire Roman empire.

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 10:40am

      I have to agree with that. It make me laugh because they these people claim to be the purest and religious yet they clearly have the dirtiest of minds. It’s as if they go out of their way to find anything sexual in anything.

  13. I wish these despotic swivel-eyed, mouthfoaming christian faith jockeys would all piss off and die.

  14. I guess he’s just a little ticked that homosexuality – or the fixation on it – is bringing down his own bit of Rome.

  15. Julius Caesar 10 Apr 2011, 1:41am

    Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me!!!

    1. There you go, documentary evidence it was Kenneth Williams’s fault! ;)

      1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 10:41am

        Only the best!!

        :)

  16. What a dumb homophobe.

    Civilisations rise and fall. That’s what they do. No civilisation lasts forever. In fact, even the universe will implode and then explode again (multiverse).

    Blaming gays for it is dumb.

    1. Next Headline
      “Gays cause universe to implode”
      I can see it already

      1. Jock S. Trap 13 Apr 2011, 2:30pm

        Didn’t you know Us Gays were responsible for ‘The Big Bang’!

        You bet we’ll be blamed for the final Bang.

  17. Obviously a wacko. So obvious it almost deserves pity. Before sending him to the hospice for the mentally ill. It must be the laughing joke of the real academic world. By real I mean those institutions apart from the Catholic universities and schools, that obviously are everything but scientific.
    Italia has still to step in the XXI century.

  18. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:05am

    So he should. He has no place to be in the position he holds. The fact he insists on saying things like “the spread of homosexuality” and “infected” means he still thinks as being Gay as a disease something to be ashamed of.

    He says this trip while they claim he is some Academic, the two do not go together. This is a speak from a complete moron, a religious Nutjob.

    Yet against religion throws it’s own actions and blames everyone else but themselves. Still centuries later they are still doing it.

  19. homosexuality isn’t a deviancy and he’s letting his christian homophobia over-rule his professionalism

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 7:54am

      Definitely agree with that Chester.

  20. Problem?

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 11:41am

      No, you?

  21. Phew, thank goodness it wasn’t anything to do with a colossal financial paralysis or the previous “version” – Christianity. That’s all right then.

  22. And the decline of the British empire, the French and all the other conquering , colonial empires …all due to homosexuality, divine judgement????. Doubt it! I wonder what grade I would get if I started putting this crap in my exam on the reasons of the downfall of the roman empire, I guess if it’s well argumented with some semblance of facts then I might do ok???

    What is an “effiminate man” anyway?

    1. Any man who acts in any way strongly associated with women. That’s unacceptable to God because women are such shameful creatures to be associated with. Notice the misogynist Paul (whom he’s quoting) doesn’t mention women who act more like the average man. I guess men are so awesome, God just can’t blame women for aspiring to be like the superior sex.

      It’s a little known fact that the God of the Bible doesn’t just want you to have sex in the way that most people with similar genitals as you do, but he wants you to walk and talk and think like them too. The Being who made the Multiverse and every species from the jelly fish to the T-Rex REALLY can’t stand diversity or complexity.

      1. The bible is a stupid book. Why do people take it so seriously????

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 Apr 2011, 10:42am

          Because they resent thinking for themselves. it’s always better and quicker to blame something or someone else.

  23. We are mighty warriors my dear friends. Alexander conquered half of the known world, Ghandi destroyed British Empire, Bradley Manning took on American empire. Let’s not underestimate the power of Queens. At least he is praised for that not blamed. History favors the bold and the gay. Man power my luvies.

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 10:42am

      oo-er!!

  24. Maybe our mighty will power to survive and be successful frightens people trough history. Let’s be proud of our heritage. Maybe we are the chosen people who correct the wrongdoings of the world. Just imagine all those facts be thought in school. No more bullying or suicides. We are masters of the Universe. We are everywhere. Be afraid…be very afraid…sorry…got carried away but it feels so good to be powerful.

    1. “We are masters of the Universe” – Yep I always figured He-Man was one of ours… So we conquered all those places plus Eternia as well!

  25. Wasn’t Alexander the Great supposed to be gay?
    I thought we caused empires!

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 10:48am

      Yes he was although it’s something the Greeks don’t like being publicised fro some reason, because of his love of the males.

    2. Its hard to call anyone from the ancient world (greece & roman) ‘gay’. Our notion of homosexuality would seem strange because while some men (and women) would of preferred to sleep with people of the same sex they would most likely have slept with the opposite sex too as result of social & economic factors. Carrying on blood lines through offspring, etc. We tend to think that the Greeks accepted homosexuality but its not quite true. Essentially the Greeks cared more about the role you took than who you were sleeping with. Playing the ‘male’ of the aggressor was acceptable,the female role of being penetrated was not. Political figures would often try and claim that their rivels were these feminine men.

      1. @Jennyd – Well that just proves that Ancient Greece was just a short boatride across the Mediterranean from ‘de Nile’ doesn’t it.
        “I’m the top so I can’t be gay” is a phrase usually found right at the back of the closet next to Narnia. Whether they admitted it to themselves or not, at the very least they were demonstrably bi-curious.

    3. Paddyswurds 12 Apr 2011, 1:24am

      He was probably bisexual and had his “friend” Hephaestion with him everywhere he went and was devastated when Hephaestion was killed. He was so grief stricken that his health deteriorated from then until he was killed in Babylon age 35. As Hephaestion was known to be gay it is very likely that they had a “Brokeback Mountain” relationship. a phenomenon that is rarely spoken of but is more common even today than is admitted, where one or both parties are essentially straight but have an intense homosexual relationship with each other and would never contemplate such a relationship with any other man.
      He didn’t consider himself Greek though; he was Macedonian and greatly resented being called Greek.

      1. @ Paddyswurds: I think you’ll find, on the contrary, that Alexander and his father Philip considered their descent to be Greek and greatly resented the suggestion they were not Hellenes/Greek.

        (Sorry, way off-topic.)

  26. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 10:53am

    If anything what we know of history and Gay people within it, it goes to show that it doesn’t matter Gay or Straight if the strength is there it’s there, no matter if it’s weak they fall, no matter.

    I fail to see arguments to why it’s considered a bad thing to allow LGBT service men and women to be themselves when History has shown we are an invaluable asset to both history and society.

    1. he’s a terrible academic as he’s letting his homophobia/religion over-rule evidence and history, he’s letting his bias affect his views rather then being impartial and logical

      1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 11:47am

        I agree. Unfortunately where religion is concerned bias affects judgement on most of history esp if it didn’t favour them. Of course then you change it and blame the ‘Gays’!

        Thing is there is too must history involving people from the LGBT communities over the centuries, too much to ignore and a lot to be proud of and thats what usually stamps on by some religious but will would rather decieve and lie about facts rather than tell the facts as they were.

        Then these religious type crack on obsessively about being honest.

      2. You’re certainly right there, Chester.

  27. Paddyswurds 10 Apr 2011, 11:18am

    No word from the god squad yet…..must all be in church thumping their craws and wringing their hands at the iniquity of modern life. The apologists are also strangly missing with their idiotic reasoning as to how we should all understand these creeps and allow them as much leeway as they want.

    1. Hi Paddyswurds

      I was thinking exactly that, where are the God Squad, and where is our resident “Fundamentalist Christian” David Skinner

      1. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 11:49am

        JohnK

        I doubt he’d be here as it proves his theory that Homosexuality is a 19th Century concept is seriously flawed. It also proves religious Nutjob will lie about anything to deny the truth.

        1. True

          Although, there is a problem with homosexuality as a term. The word only first begins to be used formally in the context of sexological discourse, and the pre-psychiatric mental hygiene movement in the 19th centrury

          I think this complicates the matter, and leads to misundersntanding, just as the term “Gay” does not refer to homosexuality pre-1960s

  28. Loyal Gay Activist For 10 Years 10 Apr 2011, 12:19pm

    What was the academic smoking that day I wonder???????

    Violence, hatred, wars, human rights vilolations, tourcher, murder, stabbings, rape, assaults, drugs, drunkeness, hoons on our streets drag racing, CEO making packet loads of money – while us poor people have to work until we are 100.

    That is what is the causes of cililisations downfall – not what two men sexually do in the bedroom!!!

    GOD these people are soooo obsesed with what gay men do all the time, thet serousilty have a problem and are crazy to think that they are the ones who are straight!!!!!

  29. Sounds like ‘Italy’s centre for national research’ is a top notch academic centre of excellence if this is what the vice president thinks…….or maybe not. His opinions are so embarrassingly stupid, that he’s going to loose his job after saying this.

  30. Last time I checked, the Roman Empire just prior to its collapse was not a particularly friendly place for queers thanks to the Christians. It could be more easily argued that the Roman Empire fell because of rampant homophobia.

    1. A very good point. If I recall correctly, one general conclusion of John Boswell’s Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality was that attitudes were actually more accepting in the Republic and became less flexible as the Empire progressed.

    2. Jock S. Trap 10 Apr 2011, 2:18pm

      So the Empire fell because of religion….

      1. homophobia was started thanks to christianity so that religion deserves all that it gets
        it’s idiots like this who try to rewrite history as they have an evil agenda

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 Apr 2011, 9:14am

          It is the fact that religion, esp Christian has spent most of it’s time trying to rewrite history, to hide all it thinks is evil, then claims to be an honest loving religion leaves it open, wide for all to the hypocrties they are.

  31. Bad enough Italy has a buffoon for a PM, it seems its academic hierarchy is pretty laughable too.

  32. “Academic.”

    Perhaps that word means something different for people like Professor De Mattei.

  33. A memorable quote from our recently departed great Dame:

    “If it weren’t for homosexuals there would be no culture,” she said. “We can trace that back thousands of years. So many of the great musicians, the great painters were homosexual. Without their input it would be an entirely different, flat world. To see their heritage, what they had given the world, be desecrated with people saying, ‘Oh, AIDS is probably what they deserve’ or ‘it’s probably God’s way of weeding the dreadful people out,’ made me so irate.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/elizabeth-taylors-legacy-aids-famous-advocate/story?id=13206564

  34. What is this man a professor of?
    As someone who has considerable knowledge of Ancient History this man is a moron.
    There is actaully more evidence to suggest that Christianity had a helping hand in ending the Empire. Although it was already in decline by the time Constantine came along.
    To my mind all academics should have one goal; the truth and this man clearly just makes stuff up.

  35. Michael★ 10 Apr 2011, 5:51pm

    How often history proves: those who speak hatred, practice intolerance and create injustice, are often hiding behind their own fears and lack of self-control.
    If people would just sit – sit for five minutes and contemplate before acting, CIVILization would really be better.

  36. I totally agree with prof. De Mattei, gay ppl are the worst disease ever, they infect everything they touch. So lets go ppl, we have a lot work to do. First we start from Italy, as a thanks for our lovely Mattei and his concern for our historical deeds (lets ensure to infect the cute pope as well), then we have to destroy america, then the rest of the europe. Gosh there’s so much work to do, if only we werent so effeminate and stupid.
    And by the way, in my country we learn that the fall of the roman empire was, amoung other things, due the spread of catholic religion, cause it was the religion of the poors and it helped the colapsed of the slavery system wich was the base of the roman social structure.

    1. Paddyswurds 10 Apr 2011, 10:46pm

      …..eh???

      1. Paddyswurds, its sarcasm.

        1. Paddyswurds 12 Apr 2011, 1:31am

          @Will…
          …..no kidding. No it was the garbled English in the second paragraph i was mystified by….

  37. William Quill 10 Apr 2011, 7:53pm

    He should be held to account academically only because his historical account doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, no more so than if he claimed the Roman Empire fell because they were praising false gods or didn’t read astrology properly, and nit because of any offence taken from his comments.

  38. He should be pied.

  39. richie, liverpool 10 Apr 2011, 8:34pm

    What a ridiculous idea. The Roman and Greek armies actively encouraged and celebrated male homosexuality because their soldiers were more likely to fight tooth and nail with a lover beside them. Wouldn’t you fight for the one you loved? How predictable of the Christian right, gays created empires, they didn’t destory them at all. Empires fall no matter what because colonies demand independence and invading forces are a constant threat.

    1. Jock S. Trap 11 Apr 2011, 9:17am

      Woo-Hoo

      Oops Sorry, got a little over excited there.

  40. ummmm….The Roman empire murdered, tortured and enslaved millions of people and hundreds of cultures all over the world. If we [homosexuals] caused it’s [the Roman empire’s] downfall, we should be very proud of such a fantastic acheivement in history.

  41. If this is the standard of academics in Italian universities then you can see why Italy has the leadership it does – religious, political and otherwise.

    Of course the Catholics have always blammed gays while in the meantime their leaders fiddle with the children.

  42. It seems it is not possible to be a ‘believer’ without practicing haterd of some minority. Makes them feel better.

    Believer = Hater.

  43. And damn well he should resign. Not because what he said was offensive, but because it was completely historically inaccurate. He’s clearly not fit to do his job.

    1. Jock S. Trap 12 Apr 2011, 8:43am

      Yes, he’s doing what those in religion do so well, well the other thing apart from cherry picking their religious texts, they are trying to change history to suit their own ends. For that reason he should go.

  44. Me-myself-and-I 11 Apr 2011, 9:53pm

    Wow! How can a guy so ignorant get to the position he’s in? He’s historically inaccurate, and Biblically ignorant.

  45. I’m happy to note that homosexuality has ended this man’s career.

    1. Paddyswurds 12 Apr 2011, 1:34am

      Perhaps he is just launching his campaign to be Pope. Auld Ratzi the Naz! can’t possibly be around for much longer and one needn’t necessarily be a Cardinal to be a paedo protector and enabler. Boom Boom

    2. Jock S. Trap 12 Apr 2011, 8:43am

      Excellent comment Soren…

    3. Jock S. Trap 12 Apr 2011, 8:44am

      Thats for sure!

  46. Kenneth Elder 12 Apr 2011, 5:33am

    A study of Greek era graffiti showed more homosexual graffiti and much more heterosexual graffiti in the Roman as now. In Roman Turkey the female prostitutes were throwing their male babies in the sewer and not their female babies. There were apparently not enough customers for male prostitutes to keep the baby boys. Rome was primarily autocratic hetero.

  47. Kenneth Elder 12 Apr 2011, 5:39am

    The Christians burned almost all the books except ones of the theology approved by Constantine. That is what destroyed civilization, the Pauline Church killed off the original mystical form of Jewish Christianity and killed off the Neoplatonic spiritual Greek philosophy. Both the original Jewish Christians and the Neoplatonic pagans taught of rebirth through many lifetimes. Paul was a lying fool.

  48. Hey without the Roman gays their Togas would have been unfashionable

  49. Keith Bowker 18 Apr 2011, 5:27pm

    I often hear from gay friends how they lack credibility and influence within today’s community. If this man’s comments were to be correct; the homosexual section of the community back in ancient Roman times were rather powerful to bring down an empire that well armed militarises around the world failed to do.
    I personally reckon the gay community ought to take credit for this incredible achievement and quote this nutter as their reference to tell people how powerful and influential a group of people they can be.

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