Nice bit of intrinsic justice right there.
OK firstly, It wasn’t me.
Secondly he got off mildly.
Funny, yes but justice for the damage he will have done to countless people… No.
@Jock S Trap
I did wonder if it was you *joke*
I agree he got off mildly!
I couldnt quite decide which of two comments associated to him I disliked the lease … the comment of the “intrinsic jusitce” of HIV to the gay communities … or the comment where he sought to prevent prosecution of elderly paedophile priests …
One thing he did say that I hope is correct is that our actions carry with them repercussions. I hope the repercussions for his inhumane attitude to those with HIV and who are survivors of abuse are far more significant than the minor embarrassment of custard pies.
Funny though …
Even if he is hit in the face with custard pies, he is absolutely right in what he is saying! Homosexual practice is an abomination in the eyes of God and to say so is a good thing. Every homosexual may enjoy his abomination but it is shame to call good bad and bad good. This archbishop is a good man! Now, post your hateful and sick comments, poor people.
Oh dear…will the despotic tyrannical genocidal hatemongering bronze age sky pixie hate me for being a lesbian?!?!?
Somehow I will get over it I’m sure…
This bishop should take the biblical method of proving if what he said is right or wrong in the eyes of his god?
Will he step into a pit of lions to prove what he says is right? Will you Honest? The bible says if what you both say is true in the eyes of god you will not be harmed.
So put up or shut up!
No, it’s not, you poor brain-washed thing. Another ‘christian’ with a limited understanding of the Bible. Boring.
More, more! Please more hate and insults. You are not being yourselves. I am sure you have more insults as you are on the wrong side so have to defend your poor selves by isulting those who tell you the truth. Off you go …
That’s an excellent example of projection, honest. YOU are the one with the miserable life and you try to make yourself feel better by trolling gay sites poking to provoke a reaction – rather like the infant bully who pinches the girl beside him for no other reason than his own insecurity.
We pity you.
Why because thats how you religious types are? Don’t think we have to follow suit and be the same.
Is that your idea of “give to recieve”?
Nothing poor about me sweetheart, the benefits of a decent education. No doubt I throw coinage at you when I pass by your on the street, you know, out of pity. Get yourself a nice cup of tea, dear….
Given the evil in your comments and your complete lack of integrity … please just read my comment below and respond … I suspect you will either ignore it or try and weasel out … My comments are factual and your action and that of the Bishop can NEVER be justified
Above comment to honest!
“He created us in his image. At least that’s what I was always taught. And since God is love and God doesn’t make mistakes, then we must be exactly the way he wants us to be. And that goes for every person, every planet, every mountain, every grain of sand, every song, every tear… and every gay person.”
I also have a question….Who has the right to say what God intended for us? He did not write the bible, men did! I live the way He created ME and that is a woman, free, strong, a Belgian and yes a lesbian. I am proud to be who i am, the way He made me.
Valandra, He made you (as you say, not me!) to enjoy your womanhood, which is a great thing. Your lesbianism perverts your personality and the sad thing is that you do not notice it because othes around you are deluded like you are and tell you tha it is normal. I will never see you so why should I care about your life. Who cares? You will have to reap the consequences of what you are doing. Be honest and do not be stupid!
I am honest. I didn’t use insults; I use civil words, which shows you I am not stupid. I gave my view on the subject in a peaceful, polite and civil way….
I have values, nobody guided me towards lesbianism, it is not a choice I made, i am born that way. You should care about my live when you put comments about perversion and hate on a gay news website. You involved yourself by doing so. I don’t hide behind fake names.
Hey Honest … why do you hang around Gay sites? Could it be a case of you ‘protest too loudly’? Ever thought YOU might be gay and in denial? Why else would you want to be so close to gay people? And don’t give me the old guff about ‘spreading the word’. Trust me – no one on here is going to be converted. So, be honest, Honest and ask your god to help you come out of the closet …. :)
Well said. Its nice to see someone else who beleves you can be gay and still believe in god
And how exactly do Homosexual effect your life?
You chose your religion lifestyle like you Chose to come here to comment. In fairness though unless your questioning your own sexuality I don’t see why it would bother you.
Are you Homosexual? Are you in a fulfilled loving commited relationship with someone of the same sex?
If the answers are no then not only what has it got to do with you but how does it effect you.
Shallow mind, dull person. Surely you’ve got better things to do.
I have to say, Jock S Trap
On a thread with Catholic issues and homosexuality in the mix, it is unusual that I agree entirely with you In terms of content I agree with everything you have said today.
Honest, is vile – the actions of the Bishop he supports are evil. Honest, believes in attacks of insult and creating offense. He/she do not deserve to be treated with any sense of integrity.
I am with you entirely on this one!
Your forgot to take your medication today, love…
Get a pill alarm.
How many aliases does LU need?
“but it is shame to call good bad and bad good”
What if we called bad, bad, and good, good, but really bad, kinda good, and good kinda bad? Am I making as much sense as you “honest”?
yeah, having no brain is good enough for you bigots
god, where can I intervieuw him?
I’m a proud lesbian transwoman, can you understand that?
mw Nixi Otemba Bongers
You poor deluded soul. Leaving aside the right or wrong of homosexuality – although I profoundly disagree with you …
How possibly can the leader of a faith group be seen as “good” when he denies the survivors of abuse the rights to justice for the serious wrongdoing done to them by priests. This bishop has campaigned to prevent prosecutions against priests. Attempted to intervene to prevent police investigation into child abuse.
If you think that is “good” and “right” then you are the one calling bad good … Its pervers, evil and inhumane to act in such a way and his actions are almost worse than the perpetrators of such actions – your support for them make you just as bad …
He attempted to intervene …
It’s perverse (obviously)
Hate is not a Christian virtue my dear man. Jesus would never discriminate or hate. He’d appreciate a good pie thou.
God how we test your faith and you fail every time.
2. Samuel 1:26. Jonathan and David were lovers.
Live with it or die trying :)
Hmmm well Jesus had two dads and spent most of his adult life surrounded by men, both eating and sleeping with them.
He turned out ok really didn’t he?
LOL… good one!
“Homosexual practice is an abomination in the eyes of God and to say so is a good thing. – This archbishop is a good man! Now, post your hateful and sick comments, poor people.”
Honest. The only person posting sick and hateful comments so far is you!
Exactly Ironic isn’t it!
Hummmm….how many more Gay people will God have to create, before people begin to realize that they are not a mistake but, beloved by their Creator?
You’ve just been reported for homophobia. My advice to you. Hide, move house and destroy your computer, so you can’t be arrested for fomenting hatred.
Leviticus 18:22 etc is bogus:
TEACHINGS OF THE ECOKOSHER REBBE – HOMOSEXUALITY & THE HEBREW BIBLE http://tiny.cc/kv8r8
“As a result of this serious research, Rabbi Steinberg-Caudill is completely convinced that THE ORIGINAL HEBREW TEXTS OF THE TORAH (the Hebrew Chumash – the Five Books of Moses) HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY CONCERNING HOMOSEXUALITY AS WE UNDERSTAND THE TERM “HOMOSEXUALITY” TO MEAN IN TODAYS WORLD!
Sadly, the reality of our human history is that the texts of Leviticus (and Deuteronomy) which were utilized by the teachers and rabbis of the Jewish tradition to condemn homosexuality, were so employed under a direct and constant danger and THREAT from the dominant and controlling Christian governmental and ecclesiastical authorities who needed to have the “perceived” Jewish interpretation of the texts, as taught by the Jewish rabbinical authorities, to be in accordance with their own Christian commentaries and teachings on homosexuality…”
@honest, I can only assume that your chosen profile name is a very poor attempt at irony, because we all know that christianity and honesty are not synonymous.
Also probably the best time to point out your psychological delusion to you now so that you can seek treatment, because as we all know there definitely is no god!
Question – Good men protect paedophiles in your way of thinking then?
Questions – Why do you use lines of arguement based on literalist interpretations of the bible (thus suggesting that you are involved with one of the 30,000 + distinct Christian sects and denominations on this planet) and then later express sentiments which directly conflict with the teachings of Jesus? I think someones cherry picking if we’re being ‘honest’.
And not only are you quite obviously cherry picking but, to be ‘honest’, you clearly have a poor grasp and understanding of biblical scholarship, theology, human sexuality, & ethical and religious philosophy.
Thats what they do best. Religious texts should be re-names The Pick ‘N’ Mix Your Way Through Religion.
Why is Honest reading Pink News? Still in the cupboard?
oh I so scared of your FAIRY Tale dog, your god has my permission to KISS MY ASS.
I wouldn’t necessarily say god is an asshole….but most of his followers are….
It is time healthy people start using pies against homosexuals!
Honest what a moron you are. I’m gay and very healthy thank you.
Yep, I’m healthy too. But also very happy. Pity you’re not, honest, because if you were you wouldn’t be hanging around gay sites making troll-ish comments. I doubt anyone here hangs around straight sites doing that.
Why? Because normal adults aren’t interested in what other consenting adults do in bed.
It is time people stop insults, stop attack, stop all that hate, It is time we open our eyes and see beyond the horizon.
I am healty, in body and mind, my sexuality has nothing to do with it.
Don’t anybody know the meaning of FREEDOM, PEACE, LOVE, EQUALITY anymore?
I enjoy a good creampie love, do you ???
On the whole I do indeed …
“It is time healthy people start using pies against homosexuals!”
LOL! Healthy? YOU?!? Are you serious? You have obvious acute mental health issues, Norman Bates’ relationship with his mother was healthier than you, my dear.
Ever think of getting checked for BSE by a vet, honest?
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!
Ahhh, why not? I promise to look after it, and mind it and feed it, and give it the psychiatric help it needs A troll is for life, not just for Christmas….
Happy to be kennels for when you need a holiday, Will … As long as it behaves and is well trained …
Well Stu, I do appreciate that, the troll is toilet trained, but its not too bright Stu…. and what ever you do, never, NEVER, let it watch Discover Channel! The very mention of evolution, or that earth is 4.54b years old sets this troll into a book eating frenzy. Other than that, all you have to do is hit it with a bible a few times a day and its a breeze!
Will, a troll’s pretty much for Christmas with hopefully enough leftover for Boxing day too.
Bit tough and grissly though.
The toughness can be dealt with if you stew it slowly and for long enough
Well they’re certainly not getting any of my choccie Hobnobs.
Honest, I think you have a severe case of “Pie in the Sky”
You’ve just been reported for homophobia. My advice to you. Hide, move house and destroy your computer, so you can’t be arrested for fomenting hatred.
Make mine lemon meringue. Yummy!
Make sure they’re fruit pies Mr. bigot. I love fruits : P
What a sad excuse for a human being , still we should be grateful every time he opens his mouth and puts his foot in it he also puts another foot in the coffin of that death cult and its pedophile agenda , long may he keep on nailing the coffin of the catholic church shut and the sooner it is buried in the annals of its terrible , gruesome and horrific history the better .
Given the Catholic churches history of paedophilia in Belgium this bishop is probably a paedophile or paedophile enabler, he is lucky not to of been shot or lynched.
I entirely agree. Isn’t this the same bishop who tried drastically to stop the Belgian police entering a cathedral to search for evidence of repeated paedophile abuse?
Fortunately, the Belgian legal system values its independence and integrity and wouldnt allow a religion to ride roughshod over it. The arrogance of the bishop to even try that was appalling. If that had happened whilst I was a police officer investigating abuse, I would have happily arrested the bishop involved.
Good for you!
That is a disgraceful comment – to call someone a paedophile on no evidence.
What the bishop has definitely done is actively attempt to prevent Belgian police access to a cathedral and other RC buildings during a child abuse investigation in order to try and prevent the prosecution of priests who were known to the RC church to be abusers. Now, that isnt evidence that he abused any one physically but it is evidence (to me) of three things 1) attempting to pervert the course of justice 2) attempting to prevent natural justice for victims of child sex abuse and 3) tacit support of abusers and their actions. All three of those things are heinous and his being a bishop and being associated with those 3 things is incongruous.
He certainly enabled a paedophile and obstructed a police enquiry.
Stop protecting the misdeeds of religionists de Villiers.
“Religionists” – you display your own prejudice and discrimination.
Your words were that he was “probably a paedophile”. You levelled an allegation of direct serious criminal conduct against a person when you had no evidence to do so.
I am not protecting misdeeds of “religionists”. I am defending the right of every individual to be considered innocent of any serious crime before being convicted and, also, not to be slandered by personal and direct allegations, unfounded, of sexual activity with children.
Firstly, I personally have not accused him of any sexual activity with children – I have no idea whether he has done that or not – and agree it is a serious accusation to make against an individual without evidence.
Secondly, this bishop was charged with offences under Belgians anti homophobia law – which were only decided were not discriminatory after a public statement by the bishop rewording his comments. He had descirbed homosexual sex as unnatural sex in the same way anorexia is not normal eating.
Thirdly, the same bishop was publicised as saying that he did not think retired priests accused of sexual abuse should be prosecuted – only after other senior clergy said this was a personal view and not the view of the church did he retract and say he felt prosecution may be appropriate in some cases.
Finally, there are Belgian reports of the bishop telling clergy in the cathedral to refuse access to the police to the cathedral and clear reports where he …
… condemned the police investigation.
His media relations representative resigned due to his manner of handling this and other situations.
I appreciate he has not been convicted of any offence in law, but there is sufficent reporting (including video evidence) to demonstrate his reluctance to engage in support for victims of child abuse and his rampant homophobia/
My distaste was with this man being called a paedophile. That distaste remains.
Maybe but how many Popes, Arch-Bishops, Priests etc have called all Gay people the same thing without evidence?
Mores to the point, if they truely believe Gay people are a result from child abuse look at the way they treat people of such.
I don’t know specifically what this bishop has said outside the two events I am aware of – so am not aware whether or not he believes gay people result from child abuse or not … I suspect not but have no evidence (that gives certainty) either way
I do know that the acts he has committed and some things he has said are heinous and vile and arguably criminal
I do know many other RC clerics have held similar views – not sure how many have attempted to interfere with a police investigation, though, to be fair …
I appreciate that these clerics and some of their supporters have not acted justly or with any sense of morality. I hope (maybe rightly, maybe wrongly) that we (as LGBT people) can take the moral high ground and seek justice both judicially (where appropriate) and in terms of fair exposure of bigotry that is targetted at those who are acting as heinously as this bishop, in particular
It is a disgrace to run an entire worldwide religion based on the existence of a supernatural deity without any evidence either.
Wow, actually agree with you.
Me or Spanner?
…….when i was 7 years old 4 days before xmas, i was taken ill with what turned out to be appendicitis. When the local RC curate came to visit my mother left him with me while she went to the local phone kiosk to call a doctor, While she was gone the vile monster proceeded to “comfort me” by rubbing my painful belly, however rubbing my belly was quickly followed by further actions which i will leave to your own imaginations. Again i was only 7 years old and have lived with that for the last 53 years. How does “honest” square that with her “god” i wonder.
Melanie Phillips could do with a good pie-ing…..those brick flavoured pies….made of brick.
Let us be truly honest and point out that religious faith is a mental illness, and that the archbishop is seriously mentally ill, as is anyone who defends his outrageous position.
Oh, no! Mental illness is a defence used in court. There is no defence for this. He’s a criminal, full stop, not a patient.
He can try the mental illness defence route if he wants to … I doubt he will succeed
Prachtig. Maar ik dat dit al enkele maanden geleden gebeurde….
Proficiat zowiezo aan onze belgische vrienden voor dit leuk initiatief! ‘n vlaai in het gezicht is niks vergeleken met decennia-lang kinderverkrachting.
Is this Flemish? Would you care to translate?
Wonderful. But I think this happened several months ago ….
Congratulations anyway to our Belgian friends for this great initiative! ‘s pie in the face is nothing compared to decades-long child rape.
> pie in the face is nothing compared to decades-long child rape.
There is no evidence that this man has raped anyone and it is disgraceful to suggest otherwise.
His church enabled it and knowlingly hid the perpetrators. One was even concealed at the St Sixtus abbey of Westvleteren. One wonders if by drinking Trappist Ale, we are supporting child rape. The evidence is overwhelming (cf The Case Of The Pope by Geoffrey Robertson QC, 2010)
I have not had the benefit of reading the book and will defer to your knowledge of it. However, there is at present no suggestion that this individual himself committed rape and in the absence of any evidence or conviction to the contrary, it is disgraceful to level such serious allegations that he has.
Diddums, de Villiers.
It pleases me to see you seething with rage for having the stupidity to defend a child-rape enabler.
Technically it is Dutch (but when we crazy Belgians speak it we like to call it Flemish)
He said: “beautiful, but that happened a couple of months ago…
Congratulations to our Belgian friends for this funny initiative, a pie in the face is nothing compared to a decade of pedophilia.”
just showing a little solidarity, though I’m not writing it in three languages =, like all those illegible motorway signs between Liege and the German border :-)
They must either block the entire view ahead or be have writing so small its illegible
I speak two of the Belgian languages…French and Flemish….and yeah some of the motorway signs are difficult to understand lol. That is way i make sur my GPS is always in the car, it speaks to me in english ;-)
It was a previous occasion in a cathedral rather than at a university a few months ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfScELzJulA
Congratulations anyway to our Belgian friends for this great initiative! ‘s pie in the face is nothing compared to decades-long child rape.
Lovely to watch, and a tithe of what those hate-filled religious hypocrites really deserve. :-)
God, I have just reread my comments and they are not good. I am so sorry for what I have written. I think I need to go back to the drawing board and get in touch with reality. I have found my comments offensive , so christ knows what you must think? Please forgive me. I love the LBGT community Kiss, kiss kiss.
Ha ha. I was fooled for a minute. Pity you couldn’t get a lower case ‘H’.
Honest, your drug of choice is not working, instead of LJC why not try anti-psychotics
LJC = Lord Jesus Christ
It’s probably rather unkind to laugh at public humiliation, but …
Ah, a pie for a pie, and all the world is blinded by custard ;-)
Actually an extended gay vs cleric custard war could be quite sweet and fun. Let’s see who’s the best shot…
I am happy to participate in a custard pieing of clerics, religious leaders and others who have either said or acted in significantly homophobic or hostile manners
Bring on the contest.
There could be awards for the most creative pieing, the best location, the most publicity etc
Gentlemen, please don’t feed the troll.
But I want to feed it. By feeding it, it grows up to be a wonderful fool. I’ve always wanted a pet fool…. especially one that’s as insane as this honest/LU creature. I’ll bring it for walks and make sure it has a good educational book to eat every day and line its kennel with.
So, can I keep it?
you forgot to say “pretty please” lol
Duh, okay then….. PLEASE can I keep the mentally unbalanced troll if I promise to keep it in a humane manner as I would any animal.
When its a troll can you show them and groom them too?
Let me feed it as well.
When they grow up to be buffoon as big as a baboon, then they provide a great source of entertainment.
No, I’d rather feed the Ducks.
I find it very interesting that these bigots, the catholic church, pope, kansas baptists etc.. claim AIDS is Gods revenge on Gays.. um Lesbians are gay too! They dont get AIDS. So does this mean God is really a woman? Jus sayin. How stupid are these people I mean Really!
hmm technically lesbians do get aids, it doesn’t happen often, but it happens.
Absolutely it does happen – less frequently but it does happen …
Heterosexuals get AIDS in some very homophobic African countries 1 in 3 people have HIV or AIDS.
Considering the medical evidence we have from the 1950′s, 60′s and 70′s that shows the AIDS virus started in primates and jumped to us through the consumption of so called bush meats (primates). I would say this so called god was angry about the consumption of our primate cousins not our sexualities given the evidence.
If the US government had not used the AIDS virus on gay men to asses its effectiveness as a biological weapon the community of Gay men in New York would of never encountered it and it would of never of spread in the US population.
Viruses have a habit of jumping to other species just look at bird flu as the prime example.
Helen Wilson wrote
“Heterosexuals get AIDS in some very homophobic African countries 1 in 3 people have HIV or AIDS.”
Just under half of those people diagnosed with the HIV virus are heterosexual, in the UK in 2011.
Helen: “If the US government had not used the AIDS virus on gay men to asses its effectiveness as a biological weapon the community of Gay men in New York would of never encountered it and it would of never of spread in the US population.”
WHAT!!?? Have you been reading the National Enquirer again?
The only reason HIV spread faster amongst gay men than str8s was because of unprotected anal sex. Vaginal sex is less risky, but not immune to it.
There are many viruses still out there in the wild that could kill every human on the planet, and they constantly mutate into new organisms and strains. Fortunately, so far they have not come into contact with us, and they die out. HIV just happens to be one that did get that far.
You really need to read up on the subject and stop spouting this conspiratorial bullsh|t.
Genital warts , a STI, is pretty common as well among straights and it’s been linked with cervical cancer. Don’t know what the stats are on deaths from this but it could be as high as AIDS. Young girls can now be vaccinated against it but it’s still a STI, common in straight women and potentially a killer…What justification does the Archibishop and God give for introducing this into the straight femal population??
Depends where you mean John. In the western world AIDS kills much fewer people. You might mean HIV related illnesses?!
Thanks guess my point is that STIs aren’t confined to gay people and as far as I know I think almost half of the population (in Australia at least) are carriers of the HPV virus and in women this causes cervical cancer and lots of deaths… any STI, possibly resulting in death, whether it’s mostly in gay men or straight wome is not a punishment from God or justice, simply either bad luck or bad practice…
Yes, totally agree with that.
Crikey, he’s the “leader” of the Roman Catholic Church in Belgium too!
I wonder if it will catch on?
I hope so. I think it should be included as an event in the 2012 London Olympics.
Pies should be pink. Pink power. Pink Panthers.
Brown would be better. As in fresh excrement.
The point of the pie is it is harmless, but highly embarrassing and demeaning. It demonstrates no malice, but gets the point across very strongly as to how we feel.
I’m all for pink pies – makes the message very apparent!
Too bad no one in the UK or US has balls anymore. GORGEOUS
Ps. Has Peter Tatchell not claimed credit for this yet??
Simon the Pie man
I think. Lol
Pink paint is far better and harder to wipe off, although pink dye would have a more permanent effect on its victim.
Food for thought Mr Green!
One gets what one deserves. We should do worse. Like throwing eggs on homophobic priests when they are preaching their hatred from the pulpit.
Have to be very careful about the risk of arrest there – unfortunately there are still some very archaic laws in force about desecrating certain church premises etc
Believe it or not, church wardens still technically have a power of arrest under ecclesiastical law – not sure it has been exercised and not sure most cops would know what to do if asked to assist in one … and I am just imagining (not dissing Miss Marple here but for aestheics only) someone a bit like Joan Hickson arresting someone for a protest over a homophobic priest – unlikely …
His comments are exactly the reason that the majotity of the population find religion such an offensive and huge joke. just a shame that his comments actually gain him noteriety
With extreme views like that I hope he gets a lot more noteriety…no normal person would want to be associated with them surely!
Absolutely his extremist views are abhorrent.
However I suspect the majority of people do not see religion as offensive (in many cases unfortunately) nor a joke. I suspect they are totally apathetic about it
GREAT! It is nice occasionally, just occasionally, to read something good that makes me smile.
I call this poetic justice!
For the hate and homophobia, not to mention enabling pedo priests, he is lucky it was just a pie and not a hand grenade…
Honest, if you’re own eye offends you, pluck it out? You’re too much of a coward to attempt it which only proves you and your mentally defective religious nutters selectively and deliberately only pick those references to suit your own comfort zone. How about killing one’s wife for adultery or one’s children for insolence? You’re a moron of the worst kind. What brings you to a gay websit? Prurient interest? Come out of that dark closet or cave you’ve been living in and stop the self-loathing.
Another thing, my parents made me, not your sky pixie you idiot.
I think it has to do with a stirrin in his loins, Robert.
Hmmm so sad… This Christian chap chose to be christian, and to live a life that was different to others. He suffered abuse for being christian and tells others that he didn’t chose to be this way, but that he was born this way.
He’s not allowed to have sex with non-christians, and is the subject of hate and ridicule from non-christians.
He wears clothing that draws hatred to him, and he spents sunday prostrating himself before an imaginary person.
It’s amazing the similarities really isn’t it?
You get back what you put out Dan. If you make knowingly offensive remarks about other groups of people, then inevitably, one day you’re going to find yourself up against someone who will throw a custard pie in your face. Frankly, I think he got off lightly, and perhaps he learn to curb his tongue. It’s only a matter of time before the Westboro Baptist church members in Kansas find themselves looking down the barrel of a gun; they really shouldn’t stand on roadsides. I don’t believe he is Christian. To me, he is a bigot. Someone who represents the very antithesis of being Christians, as I’m sure many Christians I know would agree with. We don’t choose to be gay; he chooses to believe literally in a very confused and contradictory piece of literature called the Old Testament. That’s the difference between us.
Both Excellent points. Totally agree.
I’m glad this bigot got a nice custard pie in his chops, although someone with some hard nuts in it (walnuts maybe?) would have been better.
Move over Anita!
how many christians follow jesus, those who do where jesus condemns gay people, im sure people like honest and co. can explain the paradox
The comments here on this board are shocking. I disagree with the Minister said but that does not mean that others are entitled to attack him or to commit an assault against him.
The right not to be assaulted is not waived merely by the expression of unpleasant views any more than our right not be assaulted is not waived by engaging in behaviour that others dislike.
A custard pie is pretty mild, de Villiers. Wrong, but not really terribly wrong. Esepcially when compared to the harm done to human beings in the name of Catholicism. Symbolic justice, which will have caused the priest sod all suffering.
Minister? Archbishop. (In the UK ‘minister’ generally refers to fairly low-church clergymen.)
Your point is a fair one, but I don’t think I’m the only one whose reaction to it is PISH! This prelate has the great advantage of social status and respect that allows him to get away with saying the most poisonous, uncivilised rubbish; and since little else seems to be of much lasting effect against him and his barbaric attitudes, the creative use of a lightweight, not to say fluffy, item of patisserie is – if anything – almost excessively restrained. ‘Assault’ it really isn’t.
The comments here on this board are shocking.
By comparison with what this archbishop has said? I think not.
….did you read my post ? If not , do then come back and comment. I wish i could be anywhere near that evil pig. I would do more than throw a custard pie at him let me tell you.
Ok assault is wrong – full stop.
There are degrees of wrong-ness … stabbing someone in the neck is worse than a slap across the face for example …
A custard pie is fairly weak in terms of assault – embarrassing and no permanent physical damage.
He has been guilty of orchestrating some heinous acts which I detail above which are of a far more damaging nature than a trivial custard pie.
Two wrongs do not make a right – this is true … but its trivial – his wrongdoing needs exposure – and it is a funny (if marginally callous) way to ensure he is exposed and condemned for his actions and words
I did read your post. I am genuinely upset to read its contents. However, any system of justice must act independently and dispassionately.
Your experience, terrible as it was, does not result in a correlative reduction in the right of this individual not to be attacked.
I doubt that will satisfy your deeply held, perhaps, visceral views but detached reason cannot really sit in the same scale as emotion.
I posted this below but it sits with what I have said just above.
I maintain the position I do not in sympathy with the Archbishop. It is for myself.
We recognise universal human rights not because we consider that others deserve them. The murderer whom we do not execute; the paedophile whom we do not torture – we do not recognise their rights out of sympathy for them. We recognise them for ourselves – that we wish ourselves to recognise and accord the high level of universal human rights of others in order that we ourselves may be civilised.
I make no attack on you as a person or on your views. In fact, I have sympathy (probably unsurprising to some on here) with the general thrust of your views
I do think human rights to all is important.
I do think that the repeated denial of rights of this individual means that minor disobedience that does not harm is morally justified.
His actions and inactions (probably as importantly) are heinous.
……..How many people will be physically attacked and possibly murdered because of this beings words tho. i accept what you say as to what we give is what we expect for ourselves and so on, but surely there must be a consequence for this sort of language from someone in, or at least is perceived to be in authority and whose words will be seeen as from “god” by the ignorant and deluded and who may think that by acting on those words see it as “serving god”.
Prosecution, I would hope, for inciting hatred would be the appropriate consequence.
I find your ignorance of systematic child rape by clerics in the Belgian catholic church pretty shocking too.
A pie causes no lasting injury – perhaps a little dry cleaning is needed – but the only real impact is hurt feelings and humiliation. He needs it because he demonises a whole group of people on account of their nature, and terrorises young people into staying in the closet. We need to see more of this kind of action.
How the church has fallen – 200 years ago it was burning Jews at the stake, and now it is receiving pies in the face. About time.
The state of affairs where a person “needs” to be attacked sits uneasily in a democracy where all individuals hold the same rights not to be assaulted or attacked.
It may well have been ‘an assault’ but it could have been much worse. He’s not left with blood, cuts or bruised. He was left with egg on this face, well actually flour, sugar, egg…. It was a free lunch for Heavens sake.
He should be greatful it wasn’t cheap beef and onion pie what with all that gravy….
Actually your right de Villiers, it was very rude of someone not to give him a choice of menu.
Manna from Heaven…? :-)
That is not an assault, it is merely an act to make him look daft and get our point across. If you want to see assault, check out all the people that get beaten up or even killed in Africa “in God’s name”, based on the vindictive and dangerous edicts men like this espouse.
It is an assault. It is a physical attack. There may have been no blood or bruises but it was a intention physical interference with the integrity of another.
The people that get beaten up in God’s name does not reduce the rights of others not to be assaulted. The humiliation of others by an individual does not waive his legal rights or entitle others to engage in extra-judicial punishment.
The right not to be assaulted protects everyone. It is not to be waived because someone disagrees with a person either for historical or political reasons.
People here fawn over the European Convention of Human Rights. That makes clear that human rights apply to all. Not just those who consider themselves to be morally correct.
The comments on this board demonstrate yet again that the human rights that people seek are not rights for all but rights for themselves to attack others.
I would like to think that if the same archbishop underwent the same “attack” in the UK that the CPS would find the matter so trivial as to not be in the public interest to prosecute given the background of the case – I suspect I may be wrong but I would hope that …
The Belgian Catholic church has absolutely no sort of moral high ground with their disgusting record of child abuse by priests. Where is the justice for thatr horror. Gay people only havce sex with each other-the priests abused CHILDREN!! The priests and those who covered up their crimes will burn in Hell for what they have done. This person got off quite lightly-in some places he would be executed, and rightly so.
What a waste of good pie!!!!!
It’s alright it had passed it’s sell-by-date.
Yes, a very vaild point. Jock S. Trap! lol
Guys, please don’t put all priests and church people in the same bag (or Belgians).The archbishop is extreme in his saying and actions, but should we lower ourselves to the same? Do we have to blame all people that believe in God because of one man? My family is big with the church thing, but they accepted me like I am, the minister of my families church talks kindly and with respect, we have debates about religion, politics and sexuality and never, not once did he indicate I will burn in hell. He is the one that said that God made me like I am, and to his image. I don’t believe in God, well not that God, but I respect the religion of my family.
Just don’t blame all religion because of the wrong doing of a couple of people. History told us that we may be one of the smartest race on earth but we are also the stupidest one, humans kill out of religion, racism, the color of someone eyes, the way someone live, we kill for any reason, and that my friends is what will destroy us in the end.
I have to say I am with you, Valandra, on this one …
I hope there are more who are accepting and tolerant and open to debate and being held to account – and prepared to hold us to our views and cause us to examine the evidence – sometimes, something we are sure about deserves a second look (maybe makes us more certain of the foundation of our facts) …
I do understand people barracking religion for many reasons – but really lumping all believers into one group is as simplistic as saying all gay people are the same …
Its a great pity some of the apologist commentators on this thread couldn’t be as sympathetic towards the hurt caused to those of us who suffered at the the hands of these evil basatrds and their enablers and protectors like the evil Ratzi the Naz! in Rome.. Here in Ireland they wreaked havoc on a totally devout and subserviant population for decades if not centuries. And when found out fought tooth and nail to hinder the investgators and are still doing their evil work some 25 years after the whole festering mess that is the Catholic Church was exposed. To say we can’t paint them all with the same brush is p!sh. Those that weren’t doing it knew it was going on and done nothing about it like the former pope JP2 and the current primate of all Ireland Brady who made youngsters sign confidentality clauses in the 70s.So until you have walked a mile in my shoes stop talking shyte about what you know nothing about.!!!
I am currently living in Ireland, I lived in Spain (catalonia) i lived in scotland, england and france…..I have been beaten, insulted, i was a victime of a failed “correctif rape”, I have visible scars on my my body that were carved into my flesh my adults…I saw both sides…..the worse and the best….I know what I m talking about. And still i dont blame the religions, i blame some people… I refuse to spent my life as a victime, i refuse to live in hate and anger…I keep fighting for rights, but i dont do it with hate.
I think i said already that i don’t follow this religion, I don’t believe in church and all that stuff, I do respect religion, any religion, we have all choices, choosing to act in peace, or hurt people, that is something even religion cannot take away from us. My own religion was never mentioned here, I never preached about God or whatever, I said that I have respect, and that not everybody should be put in the same bag, But now that we are talking about it, I believe that no matter what hurting another being, causing pain, is never acceptable and should never be allowed, no matter what the religion, race or species it is. We kill each other for any reason, we act out of vengeance. We are all responsible for our own actions. We all have the ability to act and think, we all can question our believes and question and r actions, we can all THINK. God didn’t write the bible or those “holy” texts, men did….Not all God believers do such horrible actions.
I m not saying what happened in Ireland was okay or anything it was horrible and should NEVER happened. But i am saying that people did it, God, Jesus, or who ever didn’t tell them to hurt, kill and rape, they choose to do it….The bible didn’t say hurt kids, the atrocities that happened was because of humans, and their behaviors. I do not hate Germans because of Hitler and his concentration camps, i don’t hate Belgium because of Marc Dutrouc….I don’t hate Muslims because of 9/11….I hate the actions, I hate the people that did those atrocities.
No, you should hate the reasons which cause the actions. The reason is their belief, and their belief is propogated by their religion. Fight that, and you’ll prevent the atrocities.
To take people’s actions out of context is (to borrow the phrase) to hate the sinner and love the sin, which is incredibly hypocritical – you are suggesting that what you do in the name of your religion is ok but what they do in the name of theirs is wrong. No, both religions are wrong, but you choose to ignore the parts of yours that instruct you to hate other people whereas they do what they’re told. If you can live a good life whilst ignoring your religion’s unpleasant parts, and they are forced to live a bad life by following theirs, then it’s obvious that (1) you don’t need religion to be good, and (2) without religion they would be better. Removing religion from the equation therefore solves the problem.
……No but you have replaced hate with fear. Fear of a construct of man. God and the religions that are supposed to represent him /her/it, and contrary to your belief that you aren’t living your life as a victim, you so are if you are religious. You are a victim of the evil contained in whatever Abrahamic fiction you follow. Texts that say you as a gay woman are an abomination and are intrinsically disordered. It beggars belief that you come on here a preach to those of us who have been greiviously wronged by this fiction and who continue to have their lives blighted by their evil pronouncements. The ignorant who choose to believe the shyte in these so called “holy” texts go around beating up Gay people and in some countries murdering them because their “god says all queers should die” Just how do you square your support for such evil doctrine.?………..cont.
and while i agree that men and women carried out the evil deeds they did in Ireland and worldwide they used their evil doctorine of “god” to make those they abused and raped subserviant. This you cannot deny. It is very magnanimous of you to say “I m not saying what happened in Ireland was okay or anything it was horrible and should NEVER happened” i’m sure, but your whole rant is just a vitriolic defence of the undefendable. What where you have lived has got to do with it , i have no idea, but i also have lived all over this planet, but was abused on my deathbed by a cleric of religion at 6 years old and have every right to hate, and will not be lectured to by an apologist for religion. Why are those who aren’t to be painted with the same brush, still supporting a doctorine that villifys me for the way i was born. Answer that truthfully and not with hate filled mumbo jumbo written by fearful ignorant tribesmen in the deserts of Egypt and Palestine 4000 years ago.
If you mean me as an apologist, then go and re-read my comments (Just this thread) in full.
Consider the knowledge you have from elsewhere of my background and the comments I have made in support of victims of domestic violence and sexual abuse.
If you still fail to see that I am sympathetic and supporting of those who have encountered abuse from any individual – then you are deluded.
To say that all Catholic clergy are abusers is like saying all Irish people are or were IRA activists – its an unsustainable argument.
There are many wrongs that have been done – and although I ardently hope that many can still be prosecuted and that those hurt can be given support – the wrongs can not be put right. I also hope those who have supported those by cover ups etc will also be exposed.
I dont think everyone who is Irish should be arrested under the terrorism act – nor do I think every Catholic is an abuser.
….as you know already i usually adress those i am replying to, so my post wasn’t necessarily referring to you, but if the shoe fits as they say…..
Again , my point about universal guilt stands. The clergy from the top down knew what was going on and chose not to do anything about it whether from a sense of fear or self preservation is debateable. That they knew has been a matter of knowledge since the investigations here in Ireland and elsewhere such as the USA.. Ratzinger sat on a sheaf of letters when he was a cardinal for twenty years and allowed a paedo to abuse twenty two more children after his crimes were first discovered. The laity have and are condoning what was and is still going on with every penny they put in the collection box every week and the billions donated to churches through tax bequests. So while all the clergy and all the laity of the christian churches haven’t physically raped and tortured they have by their inaction on the knowledge they had .
…and chose to ignore. Your comparison to the IRA is if you’ll excuse me shyte. What you are saying is that all IRA men weren’t terrorists. Or that just because they didn’t plant a bomb they were somehow squeaky clean. The Christian churches are guilty of paedophilia, torture and physical abuse of the children in their congragations for a very long time and to say that there were some who didn’t is disingenious. They knew it was going on and done nothing about it . Some even actively coluded in the cover up.
You can call me deluded or whatever other noun you can muster to describe me but my hatred for religion in general and hatred for those who choose to support by their membership or association what it is doing to the human race will only be strenghtened by such adjetives. What religion is currently doing in Africa will in the future be looked on as a most heinous crime and rightly so. What religion has done and is doing to the “muslim” world is a crime beyond aprehension, yet ..
….is allowed to contine unabated, inded if anything encouraged. It is akin to the use of slavery of the 16, 17 , and 18th centuries, except it is slvery of the mind.
I dont know if you seen the tv program on monday nite on BBC1 where the gay dude, his name escapes me atm, went to Uganda to look into the homophobia there. Take a look at kenya where christians and muslims are gutting each other in slume that have to be seen to be believed. Asia is still in the stone age because of Islam and its women are reduced to invisible baby factories and are aloowed nothing bar a black tent over their heads.In Saudi Arabia women aren’t even allowed to drive never mind be educated, and darent leave their homes without a male minder. I think you probably already know all this, but you still extoll the virtues and so called rights of religion. Its false message must be eradicated from the mind of mankind, if man is ever to reach his true pontential.
You clearly misinterpret me (either through my lack of clarity, or misunderstanding or deliberately).
Firstly, I never said that all IRA people were not potentially guilty of association and support of terrorism. What I said was that all Irish people were/are not IRA supporters. I’m not sure where your interpretation of what I said came from but it is wrong.
Also I appreciate many people knew about abuse or were party to it in the Catholic church – but equally as a dispassionate observer I can see many have campaigned within and outside the church against child abuse – and some have left because of it. It is not fair to lump any of these people in the same boat at all. It may make sense to you and I am horrified at what happened to you and others – but I do not think (with the best will in the world) you are ever going to be dispassionate about this issue.
Removing religion may remove some of the problem – but the answer you given of you can be better without religion is only part of the answer. There are people who are religious who do not have any connection and are abhorred by any action such as this should they be condemned? There are also non religious people who have never had any religious involvement who are evil – whats the answer to this.
There appears to be a construct that all abuse and all homophobia is religious based (from some on here) thats fatuous and wrong.
There are lots of things about religion we need to challenge but by emotive and stereotyping by “lumping together” as Paddyswurds puts it, the argument against the bigotry is weakened because the lumping together is wrong in itself.
……Your perception that “some on here” construct that all homophobia and abuse is religious based is your own construct. When we talk of religious abuse and homophobia ,it is in the context of this article and thread.
Obviously anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that there is a vast amount of this outside religion, and to keep pointing this out in this context makes a mockery of the debate. We are debating the pros and cons of religion and i have yet to hear anyone on the con side say that all abuse and homophobia is the fault of religion. To do so would be clearly ridiculous.
However you fail to answere mine and others points about the failures of religion and they are legion. Africa is a seething mass of corruption religious fundieism, and is up to its eyes in filth and poverty. This in probably the most fertile continent on the planet. Why does religion not address this rather than rant about the way i was born. where are the priorities……..
….the same applies to the Muslim world where madras’s keep a couple of billion people reciting the rantings of a false prophet above all else and where they are taught daily that there are people in the world who must be killed because of how they were born. The Muslim world is still deeply entrenched in the stone age despite the riches that fossil fuels have brought for the last 75 years. The west would probably stiil be mired in the stone age had a few courageous people rebelled againstchristianity and education put religion where it firmly bellongs , in the past. Finally i will not and can never be dispassionate about a system that clearly is not in the best interest of mankind in the short or long term..
There have been plenty of comments on here that strongly suggest that all homophobia is either from the religious or based from contact with religion or the religious (on a variety of threads on this site). As you quite rightly say such an argument is ridiculous, nonetheless, some who appear intelligent have made such claims.
It is not of my own construct – it is from others comments.
I have no intention of mocking debate – I seek to contribute. You will see from my comments I (like you on occasion) am supported and thanked for my comments – on occasion from you.
Some people do make ridiculous comments which mock themselve.
The fact is you are not detailing pros and cons of religion at all (and I would sit on the con part of the argument). You are merely, for understandable reasons, ripping into anyone who has religious connection and declarling them homophobic. Religion is like a red flag to the bull. Sometimes it deserves it but, honestly, not always.
In the ….
… particular comments I am replying directly to – I agree with all of your comments on religion eg work to resolve povertty in Africa etc etc … equally we could do that as non-religious people …
I know plenty about African religious issues and poverty and the need for support that people in Africa need, I don’t need a lesson on that …
If you won’t be dispassionate in debate …then you will fail to see the full truth … as the psychologist Abraham Maslow said “Dispassionate objectivity is iteself a passion for the real and for the truth”.
Don’t make me laugh. What evil religion does not cause it makes worse.
Like Neitzsche said – “The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.”
I’m with him, except I’d substitute “Christian” for “religious”. People can hold whatever beliefs they like, but they can’t expect to stand up in public and shout about them without a few people shouting back. And throwing pies.
I think this could be turned into a marvellous Olympic Sport.
it serves him right!!! buch of hipocrites!
…well he certainly got his ‘just desserts’… (pun fully intended)…
I agree with that particular Bishop
why do we all reply back to the hate mongers and twits like…. honest…. and all the outher twits like them we should just Ignore them and get on with proper comments about the Article in question and then we might have a decent to and frow with eachother insted.
love to all
We do it to keep them amused until the medication trolley arrives.
it’s all curry….. end of day doesn’t matter your sexuality,religion,education,race or where your from the only ‘commandment’ i would try live by is do onto others as you would have them do onto you or something like that if more people just minded thier own business we’d all be much happier…
It’s not here, here, its hear, hear as in hear him ,hear him!
To a large extent I agree …
Firstly, he’s not anti gay. Please stop being Romephobes, pink news.
Secondly, he’s right; deal with it.
Oh Lordy, another creep. He deserved it. End of. Homophobic preachers and people are hopefully a thing of the past.
Let and let live.
Hey, that’s the gerasett! So with ll this brain power AWHFY?
Christ his spin doctor has stronger morals than him
I feel great deep sorry for an elderly man who was assaulted by degenerates several times, and later insuted by even greated number of degenerates on this gay site with nasty words. If I would be a son of that elderly man, the vendetta will be set on and all my sons and grandsons will punish all perverts involved in crimes against my innocent father. Absolutely!
I feel more sorry for the victims of child abuse for whom this “elderly man” tried to stop and interfere with justice in order to prevent the prosecution of the deviants who had abused the abuse victims.
Bring it, Rich…
AWSOME AWSOME AWSOME
So does this justify anyone who is religious now assaulting anyone who is homosexual??? What goes around, comes back to bite you… can I now throw pink paint on the next two men I see holding hands? Or at the next school Ian McKellen visits we can pink paint ball him? This is childish and idiotic, what does it say about the gay community??? Intrinsicly just bullies!
Firstly doesn’t the Catholic Church have a pedaeophile problem?
Secondly doesn’t Belgium have a pedaeophile problem?
Thirdly don’t straight people get HIV/AIDS (drug users, haemophiliacs, etc)?
And finally did Jesus not say that ‘Those without sin cast the first stone’? Just as well it was custard pies and not stones!
It is going to take more than a pie to stop the Catholics, you know what I mean people. They have said gays are the enemy so if it is a war they want then we should give them one they will never forget.
A fece pie would have been better