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  1. and still Rainbow Hamlets, wont be totally on the side of the people they are suppose to be representing, what is it with this guy Gilbert? really is sour grapes, people said it before, and this again proves they were right.
    Well done to those that marched on Eastend Pride, you should hold your heads up high.

  2. Jock S. Trap 4 Apr 2011, 1:32pm

    “He added that a “large-scale” Pride event would be announced later in the year.”

    Yeah no doubt when Rainbow Hamlets can profit from it. They’ll do anything to avoid telling people homophobia is unacceptable.

    Rainbow Hamlets and Out East have no interest in helping the LGBT community just themselves and all other that are not LGBT.

  3. I guess 30 is better than none. Especially in East London where the community is mainly from Asia with Muslim and other religions backgrounds, and from countries where straight marriage is still imposed by the parents, let alone accepting Gay Rights. That’s not counting the homophobic locals.

    1. Jock S. Trap 4 Apr 2011, 1:44pm

      Actually 30-40% of the population in Tower Hamlets are Asian/Muslim and other religious backgrounds. Anyway East London is still within the UK, there is no border to some other country and the UK law of the land still applies and the law of the land says I am perfectly entitled to be Gay, openly, in the land that I live and I should be able to live my life without fear of prejudice and discrimination.

      1. I have no idea where you got that statistic, but I can assure you it’s WAY more than that, and Waltham Forest too.

        1. try wikipedia

        2. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:25am

          In certain parts within Tower Hamlets, individual areas it is higher but not Tower Hamlets as a whole area it amounts to approx 40%.

          1. 1/3 of people in london do not bother answering the census form or avoid the ethnicity question, any other forms for housing etc most people do not answer the ethnic question . so , its difficult to fully determine the true statistic in this matter . Although i would also think it is more than 40%

          2. Paddyswurds 5 Apr 2011, 10:53am

            @ rapture……What sort of moron doesn’t take the 5 mins to fill out the census? I will safely bet that those same morons then complain when their areas get cuts in funding because the census shows that the population has dropped in their area. Lazy fcukers.

        3. Hardly surprised that you popped up here to have a go at race too. Ignorant git.

      2. It may be the law of the land, but we all know its not enforced effectively when it comes to lgbt equality. It seems a bit like animal farm in tower hamlets , some supposed “minorities” have more rights than others. In this case muslims are given privilege as usual. Its like walking on eggshells for fear of upsetting muslims cause they may become more radicalised and extremist if we do not appease them.

        1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:25am

          Yep, Exactly!

  4. Jock S. Trap 4 Apr 2011, 1:35pm

    “They also claimed that it would cause tensions between gay people and Muslims in the area after homophobic stickers were plastered on buildings.”

    But it was fine to cause tensions between Gay people and Muslims by actually putting the posters up in the first place.

    Rainbow Hamlets/Out East two faced…. Never….. Much!

  5. We were here first!!!!!

    1. You brought us here btw. You needed work force. It comes with all inclusive “love/hate” attitude from both sides.

    2. Nice way to fight discrimination there bub.

  6. concerned resident of E3 4 Apr 2011, 1:50pm

    and what on earth did this achieve? An unpublicised march that nobody I know in LBTH knew anything about? Only 20 people attended? Where’s the “Pride” in that? I daresay these folks were wellmeaning but FHS, we need something a little more professional than either a calnjamfry of islamphobes or a teddy bears picnic of a few facebook friends.

    Rainbow Hamlets need to publish their plans soon as this is frankly becoming a laughingstock.

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:28am

      Indeed, I has made the LGBT community look very small in number and as a result has made us look like a laughing stock. This needed to be a much larger event to see we do exist and have the support of friends and family.

  7. Jock S. Trap 4 Apr 2011, 1:53pm

    I’m very disappointed this wasn’t publically known or backed by those who should be fighting for our rights to be protected, not othersrights to discriminate against us.

    A better planned event with more people should have been and could have sent a message of acceptance to all within the community.

    This was a missed opportunity and one that should up these so called help groups who are clearly confuse who they should be helping.

    1. This event was mentioned on Pinknews during March but the last news was that it had been cancelled. Surprised to see that it took place after all.

  8. Dan Filson 4 Apr 2011, 2:17pm

    Somehow typical of the comments section here on Pink News that people snipe at Rainbow Hamlets and Out East. With friends like these, who needs enemies. When the LGBT communities are united they can be strong, when they bitch at each other they fall apart and are weak. Learn, folks.

    1. Jock S. Trap 4 Apr 2011, 2:34pm

      It’s just a shame we couldn’t show how strong we can be united making a stand against homophobia/racism in Tower Hamlets with the help fo these groups.

      We should Never have been silenced about these posters, it Should have been these groups that lead the way but they chose not to and instead fought against it.

      Having lived through homophobia/racism in Tower Hamlets and being pushed out of my birthplace because of discrimination.
      Having known a number of others over the years who have suffered the same.
      We should have had the right to show in strength that we are a part of the community not apart from it.

      People should not be push out of any community just because they are considered “undesirable” and Rainbow Hamlets and Out East Should have lead the way in that message. They should have shown us they know what we were feeling, instead of making their excuses and do nothing.

    2. Dan, if those groups had not, gone out of their way, to discredit, the original march, there would have been alot more people attend. I am amused that these groups, are still standing proud, after using illegal methods, of obtaining, information. And finger pointing, I wonder if they would like that?
      The people of the East End, should ask for these individuals to stand down from their posts, and people, who really care for the gay community, should take their place !!!!! we dont need hatred from within our community…

  9. Helen Wilson 4 Apr 2011, 2:33pm

    I fully support them. This was not for the media or to make a wider political point. It was a act of visibility to show the community that they live in they are pat of it. Local people sending a message of pride and defiance should be applauded not criticised. Well done to them for standing up and being counted.

    Shame on those who are trying to silence them, or use them for political mischief.

  10. Terry Styewart 4 Apr 2011, 4:14pm

    There will be a Celebration of our whole community in September and you are all invited. This will include the LGBTQ, Bangladeshi, All Faith groups, Womens groups, etc.

    We organised a Pride march last September on the issue of Homophobia/Transphobia which was attended by over 1,000 people.

    I am sure everyone will want to be part of building that festival whilst at the same time challenging crimes against our community, something many LGBTQ people engage in everyday of the year, here in the East End of London.

    I think we can agree to continue doing the good work for our whole community here in East London

    1. In other words, there won’t be a gay pride.

      Could you explain why you are opposed to organising pride events?

      1. no, what he means is, he’ll invite his cronies from Unite Againt Fascism – who protested ALONGSIDE Anjem Choudary in June 2010, when they protested for Sharia fascist law to be imposed across the UK,
        UAF has NEVER protested against homophobia – they will tirn up and hijack the gay pride, like last time, and rail against Islamophobia or thr BNP – fair enough. But their presence will water down any statement about acceptance of LGBTs in Tower Hamlets. I call on self respecting LGBTs in the East End to boycott any OutEast / Rainbow Hamlets event. PS Rebecca Shaw, spokesperson for Rainbow Hamlets, has NEVER lived anywhere near the borough – she’s from Grays, 25 miles away. Shows how irrelevant they are.

        1. Unite against facism is oxymoronic, they clearly support facism against lgbt . As for rebecca shaw , she insisted i either “shut up or put up” on a previous thread when i tried to discuss hate crimes perpetrated against me, and she also talked how bigoted people in essex were, so why has she not invested time there then, to combat hate as tower hamlets is so much better in her mind. oh please these people need to walk the walk , put their money where their mouth is rather than all the empty rhetoric. They are treacherous to the lgbt community and selective on what they choose to see as facism.

          1. Well, Rainbow Hamlets kowtow to the IFE supported Lutfur Rahman, and are more concerned about having a nice unaccountable, unelected position from the borough. If savings need to be made, these people, who happily made a joint statement with a mosque which hosted and promoted murder-inciting clerics for years – clerics who should be LOCKED UP or KICKED OUT of our country – without even asking for an apology, is the place to start. Rainbow Hamlets kicks self respecting gay people in the teeth with every statement they utter.

          2. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:37am

            Excellent second comment AdrianT….. Here Here!!

        2. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:35am

          Well said Adrian. I will be boycotting the event and will be encouraging others to do the same.

          They do not represent the local LGBT community but actually anything but, so why would anyone support that.

          They have failed.

          (Oh you mean the Rebecca Shaw that said of homophobia on these threads in Tower Hamlets “Put up or Shut up”?)

          1. Well they can do what they like as far as I am concerned. I wish them luck, and while OutEast admirably raised the profile of LGBTs in Hackney, they skirted around one serious problem, which they have no resolve to address.

            OutEast and the Hackney Engagement Board are having a meeting tomorrow. I cannot go along, but anyone who can might express their annoyance about the dogmatic way they have tried to silence LGBT activism in Tower Hamlets. Their meeting is: 6:30pm – 8:30pm, Geffrye Museum 136 Kingsland Road Shoreditch London E2 8EA,

            “Refreshments and food will be served”
            Contact Kate Smith on: Kate.smith @ hackney.gov.uk; or call 020 8356 4251

      2. I think your accounts department needs to be looked at Terry, about half that number turned up last year. Its on record, please dont big yourself up

    2. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:31am

      “I think we can agree to continue doing the good work for our whole community here in East London”

      Yeah, It’s just a shame none of that work includes not helping the LGBT community by making excuses for people who put up Homophobic posters.

      Your nothing but a joke. You have fail to see why LGBT people in the area were upset and did all you could to side with the criminals.

      1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:39am

        Rainbow Hamlet and Out East should disband immediately and let someone who actually cares for the LGBT population in Tower Hamlets take over without being control by those who wish to do us harm.

        1. maybe they have an ulterior motive for their homophoobia. Perhaps they get funding from th council and thats why they are so sycophantic.

          1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 9:23am

            I think thats most likely it rapture.

            As with the this Pride event it just shows those groups/people like Terry and Rainbow Hamlets etc are only interested in making money not making the area safe. They are more concerned about pandering and keeping other residents happy while those LGBT people suffer. In effect Stuff the LGBT community.

            They are a bit like a prostitute fighting to keep anyone else working on their patch. They’ll do anything to stop others gaining on their territory.

          2. @jock , its obvious where their priorities are and its not the lgbt community.

          3. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 10:31am

            Exactly rapture.

  11. Well done that man! I totally agree that a pride event was needed. i think this turned out well as it wasnt a massive affair causing local trouble but equally there was a precence whch is absolutely needed gien recent events., SHAME on RAINBOW HAMELTS for being absolute pussies and running scared. Well done the organiser. I would have gone had i known of it.

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:40am

      Same here. I was Very disappointed not to know about it to be a part of it.

  12. Mumbo Jumbo 4 Apr 2011, 5:15pm

    “Marchers said they received some anti-gay abuse from drivers, although the event was generally peaceful.”

    I take it the heavy police presence took the number plates and will be following up with arrests – or does the fact that they were confident enough to shout illegal abuse in front of the police show that they know nothing will happen?

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:43am

      Interesting comment.

      I wonder. Did the police do what they would have no doubt don’t if this was racist abuse, ie act on hatred? Or being Homophobic abuse did they just assume it goes with the March and ignored it?

      Very good comment.

  13. Joseph Newman-Saunders 4 Apr 2011, 5:33pm

    Hello it’s Joseph Newman-Saunders. No doubt they will run a “large-scale Pride” next year and make money from it, which makes me angry. I doubt these organisations have any real idea about LGBT issues in the community and simply want “large-scale” rather than “good quality and community presence” which is what we archived.

    I can personally confirm I and the original attendees of our gathering and march shall indeed be creating our own quality Pride event and will do this regardless of whatever shambles Jack Gilbert comes up with.

    1. One moment on the march that really struck me was when we were crossing Commercial Road, near Limehouse, at the E1 / E14 boundary. One of the folks held up the big rainbow flag in the middle of the road and just for a moment, it felt like that driving along Sunset Boulevard, West Hollywood, where a similar flag flies, to welcome poeple to a community where everyone is not simply tolerated, but accepted, protected and supported, for who they are. Just while we waited for the lights to turn green, there was a vision of a very different Tower Hamlets, where people dare to challenge and confront backward prejudices about homosexuality, as part of creating a better community.

      Well done everyone who took part in this momentous walk.

      1. You know who ;) 4 Apr 2011, 8:18pm

        Adrian, I just can’t thank you enough for your support with this. It’s people like you that actually MAKE this. It doesn’t matter who actually comes up with the idea, it is the people, like you, that run with the idea, make it happen by turning up and actually go through with that they believe – that make it. Adrian, what a beautiful person you are.

        1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:44am

          Seconded!

          :)

        2. Oh you’re far too kind! x

  14. Oh heaven forbid us gays should upset some religious fruitloops by our mere presence!!

  15. It seems as though some isguided people on here don’t actually realise that the same proportion of muslims are gay as anyone else. Muslim vs gay is a false dichotomy.

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:46am

      This isn’t about Muslim vs Gay. You should stop stooping to Rainbow Hamlets level.

      This is about All LGBT people within the community making a stand against Homophobia and hatred.

  16. Joseph Newman-Saunders 4 Apr 2011, 7:20pm

    After thinking, I must say the event went far better than Pink News are saying. It slightly upsets me they are playing it down so much. We marched past several rough areas and estates successfully and interacted with the community. There was only 1 snide comment of “disgusting” hurled from a car (which could have been aimed at what someone was wearing!) and was far from “private” or unsuccessful. So there!

  17. Laughable. And to think there were two coppers for every three marchers. No wonder gay men are being beaten up and occasionally murdered all over London when cops ensure their priorities tick every diversity box.

    1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 1:23pm

      Your sick Mr.

      “No wonder”? Are you really making excuses for violence and murder?

      Sick in the head.

  18. So, Terry Stewart of OutEast says there will be an event (not a pride march) later in the year. It’s nice to know that OUR LGBT groups are looking after OUR LGBT community. Not.
    Jack(anory) Gilbert ‘dismisses’ the recent event. Could that be because it wasn’t his idea, or it wasn’t organised by the group that he was unelected to?
    Who put Terry Stewart and Jack Gilbert in these position in the community?

    1. Terry Stewart 5 Apr 2011, 5:20am

      Hello Mark. Thank you for taking the time to read my posting.

      As I said the celebration belongs to everyone, which includes you, should you wish to get involved.

      Our community is very diverse and we would hope the festival reflects that.

      I do not nor have. I ever claimed to represent anyone but myself.

      I engage around matters of Inequality hate crime and issues which impact on the Community. I have carried out this work for over 35 year on a personal capacity and gained nothing accept the satisfaction of knowing that everyone can make a difference to other peoples lives in a constructive way.

      I do hope you and others will step forward and do likewise and make the celebration a success for our community.

      1. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2011, 7:49am

        So March by yourself then. Leave those that need the help within the community get it from proper caring people aiming to actually do some good for LGBT people within Tower Hamlets.

        1. Terry Stewart, who the hell do you think you are to state that this was not a proper Pride march? Who elected you lot leaders of the LGBT community? You should just get out of the way, you do not serve the interests of LGBT people, you just serve those who falsely want us to believe there is no problem ad that it’s all an EDL black op.

          “Our community is very diverse and we would hope the festival reflects that.”

          Not sure what your community is but I don’t include homophobic religious bigots in mine. And it’s not diversity, it’s division, you rank apologist.

      2. So, if you want it to be an inclusive event, why did you continuously try to shut down the east end gay pride, instead of helping them out? Even after the EDL member left east end gay pride, you and Jack Gilbert were doing everything possible to divide the LGBT community…

      3. Sounds to me like Terry would march with homophobic muslims who hate LGBT, but not march with LGBT who hate homophobic muslims.

        1. Jock S. Trap 6 Apr 2011, 8:33am

          Yep, I think that just about sums it up Eddy.

  19. aunty babs 5 Apr 2011, 4:37am

    and here’s me thinking,that this is what Pride is about. a small handfulof people getting together and saying we’re here we’re queer.not gahering in a field geting off our tits on overpriced beer and putting lotsa dosh in some greedy corporate entites pockets.

    1. Joseph Newman-Saunders 5 Apr 2011, 6:06am

      EXACTLY!!! And you won’t get that from many other organisations. The first thing they will think of is affiliation with the next business that will make they a bit of money for them!

  20. Oh look, an SA March.

  21. Rainbow Hamlets and Out East scuppered the original march because they were pissed that it wasn’t their idea and somebody else got off their arses and organised something rather than sitting behind your prissy political desks and using the scene to try and keep yourselves in jobs..what do you do exactly cos i’ve never heard of you and you don’t represent me or the gay scene i know thats for sure. Face it you were pissed cos the original intended march garnered so much publicity and press and interest from everyday people on the scene (like me) and you couldn’t bare it as you weren’t involved or were to special to get involved. Good on these guys for going ahead with a show of solidarity no matter how small..better then causing conflict and getting things cancelled like you do Rainbow Hamlets/Out East and any of the other moaning ninnies that stuck their opinions where they weren’t needed.I’ll be looking out for your organisations now at Pride events in future, put a face to the problem

  22. Paddyswurds 5 Apr 2011, 11:04am

    YAWN!!!

    1. If you are tired, go to bed. If you are bored, go read something else.

  23. EDL supporter 5 Apr 2011, 11:08am

    And if there is no problem with homophobia in east london, why did this march have almost as many police as marchers? Why did the Met consider it necessary to assign a helicopter to monitor the march? What could be the excuse for such a waste of money — unless of course they believed the marchers (and police) could be attacked by overwhelming numbers, whose actions and directions would be visible from the air?

    1. Joseph Newman-Saunders 6 Apr 2011, 9:21am

      No one said there was no problem with homophobia in East London. The reason I ‘put this on’ was because indeed there was is and will a problem with homophobia (fear of homosexuality) until these people are educated and shown there is nothing to fear. As for the police, they were there regardless due to the prior Pride having supporters of the EDL (or BNP 2) running it.

      You are the reason tax payers money was wasted. The Inspector would have been more than happy to provide 2 PCSO’s to march with us, if it hadn’t been for various other factors caused by other people.

  24. This comments section along with the other related articles are very sad. Original EEGP supporters and such like say that Out East/Rainbow Hamlets etc tried to divide our community by exposing a hastily put together march with an EDL member at the helm originally but they are here trying to divide the community to agree with them and against Rainbow Hamlets and the like.

    Community work over the past couple of years from Out East and Rainbow Hamlets has made me feel safer in my local neighbourhood and I am thankful for that. Seeing some of the community come together for Hackney Gay Pride march last year was also very heartwarming to me making a very positive impact.

    I wasn’t originally in support of this new EEGP march but I am warmed by the small group that did march last Saturday. I wish more people were moved to take positive action without needing the commercial support on incentive like London’s main pride gathering in the summer.

  25. So a pride event, not unlike the love walks that have happened countless times in the local area happened and people got to make their point. Im sure that any incidents of heckling are to be expected in any part of the country, and are certainly not on the scale of National Front / Christian fundamentalist presence that is at London Pride every year.

    The key thing is that fascist sympathisers tried to hijack the event and were stopped – no thanks to some of the pink media and others who have busied themselves criticising those who raised concerns in the first place. How do you think that makes BME and Muslim LGBT people feel?

    I look forward to all those who have focused on the homophobic attacks in Tower Hamlets to initiate similar scrutiny and attention of Islington where homophobic hate crimes are higher than in tower hamlets, and other parts of britain where there have been homophobic hate crimes, and stickers of the same kind found in tower hamlets.

  26. Paulo Silva 5 Apr 2011, 1:43pm

    Join the EDL LGBTQI group on facebook and help us fighting islamic homophobia:
    https://www.facebook.com/EDL.LGBT.Division

    1. Paddyswurds 5 Apr 2011, 6:16pm

      @ Paulo Silvo….
      Join the EDL LGBTQI group on facebook and help us be islamophobic and racist facists…..strange how you dont allow comment on your facist page…..:

      1. Do you have a facebook page I could go on Paddy? Or do you not have the guts to tell anyone what your facebook page is?

  27. Iain Westland 5 Apr 2011, 8:38pm

    I would just like to congratulate everybody for getting anything done with all the back stabbing and snide comments about this and the previous event.

    I think those who think themselves an authority and community voice should hand their heads in shame at the lack of support for this.

    NiceOnesUK are proud to have been of assistance, and we will support you in all you future endeavours.

    1. Joseph Newman-Saunders 6 Apr 2011, 9:23am

      Thank you Iain. Very kind of you. We’ll make sure we also get some GOOD, POSITIVE press next time (where the person creating the news report can spell their own name too…) but thank you for your support!

      1. Jessica Geen 6 Apr 2011, 9:47am

        Joseph – my name is non-English in origin and I can assure you I know how to spell it.

      2. Pride not racism 8 Apr 2011, 6:54pm

        It’s a shame that Joseph Newman-Saunders has associated himself with the racist and nazis by holding this completely unrepresentative march. It is inevitable that it will be associated with the EDL who tried to organise the original event. But perhaps Joseph has no problem with that.

        Racism has nothing to do with gay pride. It’s a disgrace that nazis and racists are allowed to post their hate on Pink News. Any attempt by the racists and nazis to hijack gay events will be swiftly opposed.

  28. I still wouldn’t mind knowing how come certain people, such in Rainbow Hamlets etc are still in their jobs given that so many in the LGBT community seem to distrust them and/or their motives. The question also remains about the underhand and apparently illegal manner in which the ‘information’ about the organisers of the original march was obtained and why representatives from the supposed ‘support’ groups were antagonistic right from the start. Well done to those who turned up and marched – sour grapes indeed from Mr Gilbert and his cronies……….

  29. I would like to know WHAT if anything the local police are doing about the anti gay posters…or again is the law not being upheld for fear of upsetting one section of the population just like the local schools who do not act when non-muslims are targeted

  30. JooJooBee 4 May 2011, 7:43pm

    Good for you East Enders!! Keep marching, and it will, someday get better!!

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