How bloody dare Mrs Clinton, on behalf of the Obama administration, say that human rights apply to everyone when the US itself is missing critical legal protections and equality for GLBTQ citizens! Hypocrites.
On the other hand, Valsky, she could generate a lot of domestic embarrassment by her statement, which could be no bad thing.
Problem is, that even on some of the more liberal news sources (Huffington Post for example, or Mother Jones) I didn’t really see this story covered. It really doesn’t seem to be a meaningful part of the news cycle and I suspect that very few non-GLBTQ Americans know what she has said.
So it was just a chance for the US to spout sanctimonious BS at other nations. Talking the talk without walking the walk.
I think the important thing to remember is that more and more people of influence are increasingly speaking out for Equal protections and Equal rights. Many countries have a long way to go, including here in the UK but the whole topic of the LGBT is at least now being treated as a serious one and no longer are the days when the mere mention was an embarrassing thing.
The more that stand up to be counted the better.
That’s not even half of the 192 member states at the UN :(
There is still a long way to go people …
There are some nations such as Uganda, Zimbabwe and Kenya that have appalling records on gay rights …
There are some like Sweden, Mozambique and New Zealand that have excellent records on gay rights (although I suspect some will find evidence of poor practice in every nation that is endorsed as doing well)
The UK is improving and the US shows signs of beginning to work to catch up
We need to work hard to ensure that globally we are encouraging all nations to take on responsibility for ensuring human rights for all including recognition of LGBT rights
Interestingly Mozambique have not signed … despite recent media reports and interviews from the government indicating that they would …
It’s a positive step but by no means a big one when there are so many countries in the world who ignore this resolution.
However it does show those countries in the world that wish to help progress humanity further with the proper rights.
Have tried several times to post the nations signing this but they are not getting posted …
Countries including some surprising countries such as Rwanda, Central African Republic, Nicaragua,, Ukraine, Armenia, Seychelles …
Noted absences include Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillipines, Turkey,
That doesnt even begin to take into account entrenched countries of homophobia such as Uganda, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Iran, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Botswana
I do wish that PinkNews would add a list of who voted what or at least given direction to finding out. To not do so leave the article unfinished.
I shall try again since it hasnt happened yet
Have added a list of all the countries which signed the statement in favour of human rights for sexual orientation and those who signed the statement against it
Finally, some good news today!
It’s not exactly half of all member states, but we have to start somewhere. Would this have been possible even ten years ago?
The United States is not perfect on gay rights. But it is still commendable that the Obama administration and Clinton took a leadership role on this resolution. They didn’t have to, their predecessors certainly didn’t. And honestly, the gay men and lesbians in Uganda could give a crap whether I have to travel to Massachusetts to get married. They just want to be able to be intimate without being stoned to death. So let’s have a little perspective.
So where’s the list of the countries, then, Pink News? Please publish it.
I wonder if the baltic states,Poland, Russia, Greece and Italy signed it, bastions of widespread homophobia??
What’s the point printing this story if the countries aren’t listed?
Poland, Greece and Italy signed the declaration, as did Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia. Russia did not. The others I can’t recall to be honest
Well its something to take note of at least, as to weather all 80 intend on ensuring their homosexuals human rights or just wanted to look like they are is another thing…. but still it is sometihng
Got a letter telling me this today from the foreign office. It was a reply about the email I did about the two men facing execution in Iran.
It means a lot a reply.
And it’s great so many countries support us
Btw I know it’s hardly any o the total number but think back a few years and you could count re countries that supported us on your one hand.
Can you please publish the list of countries that signed. I am sure that my “beloved” democratic country (MALTA) refused to sign this. Especially with our homophobic Prime Minister.
Malta did sign
I suspect that ALL EU countries will have signed.
All EU counties, most Latin American countries, and some surprising others
Agree with some of the above, wish there was more detail. The above link is a pro christian take on it and therefore shows who the worst people were!
Interesting article on the Holy See’s view on this:
Whilst I am pleased to see that the Catholic church leadership expressing support for “in the inherent dignity of all human beings and condemn[ing] all violence against people because of their sexual orientation or behaviour”
I am disturbed that they make the following comment in a piece that refers to sexual orientation: “But states can and must regulate behaviours, including various sexual behaviours,” he said.
“Throughout the world, there is a consensus between societies that certain kinds of sexual behaviour must be forbidden by law. Paedophilia and incest are two examples.”
I am reassured that the membership of the Catholic church in some parts of the world is LGBT friendly (see reports on US Catholic church today).
However, whilst I do not support attacks on the human rights of Catholics or other faith groups, it is time they realised their arguments are wrong
I wonder if Australia has signed it. Probably not. Not until we get rid of this Prime minister, will it happen.
Australia did sign
Great news. Last I heard we had only co-signed this. Welcome to the wider world in recognising homophobia
Gives the list of countries that signed…seems Australia, Malta and all of the EU countries did ,but Turkey , a country thats want to be part of the EU, didn’t….oh yes the vatican didn’t sign as well…
The Vatican is way too busy making “purity bricks”- rotflol:
Here is a bit more background on this topic + lists of countries. There are also links inside the article to the opposing statement signed by 57 countries.
Thats an interesting article. Very interesting to see some of the signatories to the opposing statement, some are not surprising such as:
Kenya, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Bahrain, Iran, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, UAE, Yemen
Two appear to have signed both motions:
Rwanda and Fiji
Some I am very surprised by:
Saint Lucia, Soloman Islands
The Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) + African Union are the main bodies that object to SOGI. The OIC also passed a resolution Combating Against the Defamation of Religion which is more powerful than a statement (which is what this UNHRC body endorsed). This resolution is also very harmful for LGBT people. See: http://bit.ly/GME0312
In other words the whole issue of this statement needs to be put within a larger context of several battles in the UN and International Law to help stop persecution and discrimination against LGBT people, and counter measures against us…
I was aware of the battle between SOGI and the defamation of religion (which is a battle ground I think that many are picking up in the Christian church now).
I wasnt aware how far it had gone so far with the relgious issues becoming resolutions.
I hope we continue to battle to ensure LGBT rights are not compromised
Rwanda and Fiji changed sides :)
Rwanda famously changed its vote during the UN debate on Extra Judicial Killings and the representative gave a moving speech why he will vote AGAINST the wishes of the African Union.
So why does their name appear on both statements??
Because the Syrian statement is older, and it seems they changed their minds meanwhile (which is a good thing), lets see if their support holds :)
Thanks for the clarification Dan – I make the wrong assumption and assumed they had changed other way
Lets hope they stay firm
Both St Lucia and Solomon Islands I can believe
I must do some research on St Lucia and the Soloman Islands and I thought they would be liberal and progressive places … clearly not …
Which are the countries which have not signed this? I would not like any of the bigoted nations that refused to get any aid from this country.
Of the 85 countries that supported the statement, only three are from Africa and just two are members of the 56-strong Organization of the Islamic Conference (admittedly a quick head count but if wrong, not by much) so history may ultimately prove this a Pyrrhic victory for the global advancement of human rights. But then to expect anything at all from that circus ring in Geneva has long been a vain hope for ridiculed, oppressed and victimized communities around the world.
The write by hillary clinton and president obama, was a very honorble write, the only way like they said to fix bigotry and hatecrimes, is to take serious action against the violators of the victums and their families,. the un signing the treaty with more than eitghty five countries, signing gay rights, legislation, is a start, but like obama and hillary saidy, they must take action as brought out in the paperwork and legislatiojn each country signed,, that they must take serious actions against hate groups and hate crsimes, this means hate religions, and hate politicians also,, who every violates, another person and their familiy out hate, and discrimantiojn, their human rights. the republicans in the united states as well as the hate filled republicans in other countries, has to be brought up and penalized for the hate tactics, and discrsimination, they also inact on the families right her in the united states, indiana and california has klan hate groups in the court appeals curcuit
Under Australian Government, can’t wait to see what happens to the religious freedom act passed a few years.
I would hope they pursue religious freedom (in terms of freedom from bigotry).
But I would equally hope they ensure that the LGBT communities have acceptance and tolerance
This may take a few posts but the signatories to the joint statement were:
Albania Andorra Argentina Armenia Australia Austria Belgium Bolivia Bosnia Brazil Bulgaria Canada Central African Republic Chile
Costa Rica Croatia Cuba Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Dominica Dominican Republic
Ecuador El Salvador Estonia Fiji Finland France Georgia Germany Greece Guatemala
Other signatories in favour of the sexual orientation human rights statement include:
Honduras Hungary Iceland Ireland Israel Italy Japan
Latvia, Lichtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the former-Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Malta, the Marshall Islands, Mexico, Micronesia, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Palau, Panama, Paraguay, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Tuvalu, the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Ukraine, Uruguay, Vanuatu, and Venezuela
The signatories for the alternative statement which rejected the idea that sexual orientation is a matter of genetic coding and claimed that the declaration threatened to undermine the international framework of human rights, adding that the statement “delves into matters which fall essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of states” and could lead to “the social normalization, and possibly the legitimization, of many deplorable acts including paedophilia.” were:
Afghanistan, Algeria Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Brunei, Cameroon, Chad, Comoros, Côte d’Ivoire, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Guinea, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Rwanda, St Lucia, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Soloman Islands, Somalia, Sudan, Swaziland, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Togo, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, UAE, Uganda, Yemen, Zimbabwe
Itz no wonder my Country Cameroon would not partake in favor of the UN resolution.however, the tide of change is sweeping across all nations and while the intensity might differ from one nation to the other and apparently absent in some,it is happening SLOWLY but SURELY.
Wonder what game Fiji and Rwanda are playing – on both lists – are they supportive of LGBT rights, or not … or does it depend what day of the week it is …..
They changed their minds, the opposing statement was issued prior to the new SOGI one. In effect Fiji and Rwanda switched from opposition to support! As such they should be congratulated.
Read these two articles carefully for more info:
Really interesting discourse
As expected Syrias portrayal seemed to suggest that all these nations are key supporters of human rights … hmmmm
Its a short step forward, but still many many more battles to be won on this issue
Publish the list and boycott the countries that would not sign. Why should we spend our money in those countries and potentially risk our lives just by visiting?
Afraid to say I have already been to 11 of the countries that signed the counter statement …
Some quite disturbing experiences in 3 of those countries
This is cautiously good news indeed – buy it made me sigh to see Pink News headline this as being about “Gay Rights” when the text reads “…violations committed against individuals because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.”
I know it’s hard for you lot to remember the T in LGBT sometimes :), but this is a big deal in the fight against transphobia too, so if you’re going to say LGBT let’s remember this is big news for transgender people too.
Note – my last post about the T in LGBT had a smiley in it that was intended to make the tone less strident than it looks (but smileys don’t make it through a phone app into the comments, alas…)
Getting the terminology accurate isn’t easy for us in the LGBT communities, let alone the wider world …
It isn’t helped by some people in the LGB section and also some in the transgender communities not being comfortable with LGB & T being linked. I would accept there are similar (but different at times) needs. I don’t see this as being any different to lesbian needs being different at times to the needs of gay men, or the pressing priorities of a gay man in Canada being different to that of a bisexual in Yemen.
I think where there is some sloppyness though is where some writers seek alternative phrases for LGBT, perhaps in a desire to avoid repetition. There is a presumption that “gay” is an overarching description that all segments of the LGBT communities would accept. I am sure some bisexuals find that frustrating in a manner similar to some in the transgender communities. Perhaps we need a few more words …
I would be more interested in the countries that didn’t sign it.
That way we will know where not to send both our countries and personal charitable donations.
Well the ones that signed the counter motion are listed above