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Gay author Armistead Maupin’s shock at ‘real men’ restaurant slur

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  1. Extraordinary display of machismo.

    “Gay men are not real men”

    Is so 1970s!!!

  2. Jock S. Trap 17 Mar 2011, 2:38pm

    Disgusting attitude.

  3. I’m confused as to how the waiter would have made the assumption that they’re gay anyway. If he recognised Maupin, he’d have to have “insider” gay knowledge.


    1. Jock S. Trap 18 Mar 2011, 9:47am

      It’s an easily assumption, I mean it’s too men innit? Must be Gay then….

      How backward can you get. It’s sad too see clearly there is still too many over inflated male egos around. Not just the ones who dictated the religious texts crap.

      1. Idiot, the word is T W O not t o o. Basic spelling one oh one.

  4. Helen Wilson 17 Mar 2011, 3:27pm

    He should or just pissed or had a movement on the floor of the restaurant. That’s the sort of contempt that comment deserves.

  5. I swear I would have pissed on the floor

    1. Totally..

      Scrap that, I would have jumped on the table and done it.

  6. homophobic idiot
    you are a man just for having a penis, real men is another variation of the ” no true scotsman” fallacy

    1. Hey mate, don’t forget us FTMs, we may not have a penis, but we’re men too! But otherwise good point.

      1. I hear you Jay. The penis does not make the man. This story is disgusting I am behind having a pissathon protest there.

        1. here here

      2. the story was about gay men so I focussed on that but thanks
        you are a man too Jay

    2. Jock S. Trap 18 Mar 2011, 9:48am


      So to them a real man is someone who isn’t Gay….

      Looks like the average IQ there is about 2!

  7. It could be argued, if we’re going down that silly road, that gay men are in fact much more firmly anchored in masculinity than straight men. Not only are we men, we have sex with men too. We find men attractive. We are attracted to what is male in many more ways than straight men. Much more manly, if that’s how you want to play it.

    Of course, I’d much rather sue for discrimination. Or punch the guy in the face.

    1. Jock S. Trap 18 Mar 2011, 9:51am

      It is interesting that while they didn’t want these two men to use their bathroom because they happened to be Gay, the Hypocrites were totally happy for them to eat and take their money.

    2. Staircase2 16 Sep 2011, 7:05pm

      Im not sure where youre going with the ‘we’re real men’ bollocks to be honest…
      The whole IDEA of ‘real men’ is whats the problem….regardless of whether its a gay man or a str8 man thinking it….(either way its about internalised homophobia….)

  8. Absolutely disgusting that people think they can gender-police anyone. Unfortunately this is a daily occurence for many trans people across the world as well as some gay men and lesbian women.

    I’m a real man and I’m trans, he’s a real man and he’s gay and no one has the right to say that either of us (or any other man) isn’t a “real man”.

    1. Well said, Theo. I always think that people who are so keen to assert their masculinity (or femininity) must have doubts about it under the surface just like homophobes often have issues about their own sexuality.

    2. So true his a man because he feels comfortable being one what place does some stupid waiter have deciding whether his a ‘real man’ (whatever that means) or not.

    3. Jock S. Trap 18 Mar 2011, 9:53am

      Clearly “Real men” don’t feel the need to question themselves or others if they were totally comfortable with themselves.

  9. What is it about ex British colonial places (with the glorious exception of NZ and Canada to an extent) that makes the people such right wings nobs. Most the Aussies ive met are far right crazies who consider themselves moderates. Same with the USA; the supposedly “irish” parts of NY are feckin unbelievably racist and homophobic.

    1. Staircase2 16 Sep 2011, 7:11pm

      Irish isnt ‘British’ (unless youre talking about Northern Ireland, ‘Irish’ is Irish….)

  10. I only hope gay Aussies are now heading en masse to Alice Springs to eat (a little) at that restaurant and to drink a great deal, and to then simply GO to the “gents” WITHOUT BLOODY ASKING WHERE IT IS!

    C’mon Priscilla! Time to get your bus cranked up!

    1. that sounds like a good plan.

    2. Jock S. Trap 18 Mar 2011, 9:54am

      Or picket the place til it goes out of business.

  11. Mumbo Jumbo 17 Mar 2011, 7:30pm

    It is the waiter and those like him who are not real men.

  12. Quote, ‘I am more man than you will ever be, more woman than you will ever get.’

  13. Bigoted scumbags. Someone should burn the restaurant down.

    1. Staircase2 16 Sep 2011, 7:13pm

      It would be far better to build a toilet wouldnt it? lol

      Im thinking a huge great portaloo outside with a sign saying ‘Gay Toilet – no str8’s allowed

      Hit them where it hurts – in their brain…..

  14. friday jones 17 Mar 2011, 11:25pm

    Poorly written article, they didn’t ask what he did about the situation. Did they ask to see the restaurant’s manager? Waiters are not exactly in charge of anything other than their ticket book. The article just plops the waiter’s insult out there and then ends. I certainly hope that Jessica Geen is working for free, and that this helps her to improve her craft until it is at least barely-tolerable Journalism.

    1. Jock S. Trap 18 Mar 2011, 9:56am

      What does it matter if they asked for a manager, the comment Never should have been made in the first place.

      1. friday jones 18 Mar 2011, 10:24pm

        Well, the manager could have fired the waiter and apologized on the spot and given the couple a free dinner. It’s what I would have done.

        1. Jock S. Trap 20 Mar 2011, 11:13am

          Indeed the manager could hav said that but it still doesn’t erase the comment. It Never needed to be said in the first place.

    2. Staircase2 16 Sep 2011, 7:16pm

      ‘PN’ blah blah blah ‘PN’ – whine whine

      There are certain threads which run thru so many of the conversations on these boards that it makes me think you lot must all get together of a Friday evening and script out the month ahead…

      God forbid you should say something positive about anything eh? Or ‘mock horror’ actually talk purely about the article itself rather than slagging off the journalist as if you know them personally and were the editor/headteacher giving your staff a good ticking off…..!

  15. Isn’t it about time PinkNews (who give an excellent service) stop identifying people as, say, “gay author”. He’s an author and what was said to his partner is offensive to any man, not just a gay man.

    1. Staircase2 16 Sep 2011, 7:18pm

      He is a gay author though – both in the real sense!

      He is gay and he is an author and he writes gay fiction….
      …whats wrong with that?

  16. It is an outback town, not a big population. So no wonder it has these views. Not a progressive Territory. Priscilla is definitely recommended to return to the outback. Liven up the place a bit.

  17. Daniel Fierroe 18 Mar 2011, 5:36am

    LMAo! Who cares! Why are we all so OTT sensitive about this.

    1. Because we are not selfish little rats who live in a bubble, Daniel. We live in a global village, and something you put right in one corner of the earth helps with putting something right in some other corner.

  18. John Wayne tends to be the American template for being a “Real man”… not bad going for someone who was christened “Marion”.
    I’m more inclined to quote Jeff “the Dude” Lebowski from “The Big Lebowski” when asked by his namesake what makes a man ‘Is it doing the right thing no matter what’ he replies “Well, that and a pair of testicles”.
    Never mind pissing on the floor, they could have just flashed their privates at him in the middle of the restaurant and settled that argument!

  19. The Australian Prime Minister has little time for gay people and opposition leader (I won’t grace him with a capital O) finds us `threatening’. Is there any wonder that this sort of behaviour takes place `down under’. Leadership begins at the top.

  20. I notice that the restaurant has online reviews. Wonder what would happen if the staff’s homophobic attitudes were pointed out? Or would it just make it worse?

    1. Jock S. Trap 18 Mar 2011, 11:46am

      No, it’s not marred by homophobia, it’s just one incident…

      …of many!!

  21. Peter, I hardly think Julia Gillard is a homophobe – so she doesn’t support gay marriage but her government in its first term did change 100 pieces of legislation to give equality to gay couples in areas of Pensions, Health, Insurance, Superannuation, Tax etc etc. She also included sexual orientation in the “Fair Workplace Act which bars discrimination.

    As for Abbott he has apologised for using those words and has indeed said that he supports a civil union scheme for gay couples. That is hardly a view of someone who feels threatened by us.

    1. Another Labor Party apologist? GIllard is a disgrace! No sympathy for the scumbag who leads the arch- Conservatives! An unknown and very dangerous quantity!
      Totally agree with Peter’s comments!

      1. Jock S. Trap 20 Mar 2011, 11:16am

        Am I right in saying that the Australian Labour party are about on a par as the British Tory part of the 1980s?

        Does that mean that the British Conservatives here in Britain here in 2011 is far more for Equality than the Australian Labour Party in 2011.

        Blimey, who’da thought!

  22. A quite unbelievable story – and what a great deal of publicity it has brought to Armisted Maupin……….let’s see………… when’s his latest book out…….?

    1. It came out in Autumn. It was called ‘Mary Ann in Autumn’ and it was a fine return to form after the disappointing ‘Michael Tolliver Lives’.

  23. I would have replied with the following:

    “Real Men.

    Well I am a multi-millionaire successful world famous author, and you Sir are a p!ss poor bartender in a hick town.

    Now lets discuss who’s a real man.”

  24. westcoastkid 18 Mar 2011, 2:03pm

    My partner and I traveled extensively though the eastern half of Australia over a three week period in an SUV. I must confess we never had any sort of problem. In fact quite the contrary, in all places we were greeted warmly, even in Alice Springs. No problems.

    One night we were late in arriving in an outback settlement of a few houses and a restaurant/rooms and the owner actually opened up the bar which had been closed for the evening to serve us a steak dinner. Smiles all around.

    The only place that we met with any form of homophobia was… would you believe, Sydney! A worker on the bridge climb.

    1. There is homophobia everywhere in Australia. I know, living here and experiencing it on a regular basis.

  25. Staircase2 18 Mar 2011, 4:56pm

    Australia is a vile hotbed for bigoted rednecks- always was, always will be.

    1. It’s better than a lot of places. I’ve been to Alice Springs and found it quite relaxed and friendly. The barman is an idiot but he’s just 1 person.

  26. I’d have quipped, ‘funny, real men don’t name their town “Alice-anything”.’

  27. I wonder how the waiter and other staff went about ascertaining the ‘real’ status of the men the allowed to use the toilet; physical inspection of the genitals perhaps?

  28. interestingly, i saw maupin interviewed recently on bbc news 24 by steven sackler who pointed out all the inequalities that still exist in the US and armistead maupin smiled and said that he was very confident that all of the US states were turning into San Fransisco (much to sackler’s amazement (and mine)).

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