A gay man joining the army is rather like a gay man joining his local mosque.
> A gay man joining the army is rather like a gay man joining his local mosque.
No, it is not rather like that.
I did the required compulsory military service in France and it was nothing like joining a mosque.
And did you tell them you’re gay?
It was compulsory military service with no exemption for sexuality. Everyone knew anyway.
Well I’m glad it wasn’t an ordeal for you. For other gay men it’s a different story, as you no doubt realise.
It may be an ordeal. For myself, I knew of no gay people for whom being in the military was an ordeal.
Nearly every gay person I knew worked in some form of intelligence or law or computing or engineering. I knew of not one gay person in the ‘front-line’ of l’armée de terre (land army) although there might have been some.
Up until military service was abolished in 1996, there was no movement for gay people to be exempted. The American policy was known as ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’. The French would say that in France, the policy was ‘Don’t ask, don’t care’.
But then, gay identity seems to be more central to people in England than in France. In France, I have the impression that people consider themselves to be French and then everything else comes later. In England, there seems to be not such a strong sense of being English first and other attributes second.
I have no sympathy for this man’s father. That going to a foreign country and killing its natives gave his life “structure” is a terrible indictment against his character.
That is the bottom line of anyone in the military, from a cook to a chaplain.
You are ultimately trained to defend people, and kill others where necessary.
That is what they do. Get used to it.
Im a pacifist and not a fan of the military in general but we have no evidence of whether his father went to a ‘foreign country’ and killed any of its ‘natives’.
aside from anything else he was in the Navy – which tends to suggest he was more likely on a ship than on land anywhere…
READ THE TEXT PEOPLE – PLEASE!
“It’s shocking enough that I would come out of our silence as a family and say, ‘No, you’ve crossed a line. This is wrong’.” What I find shocking is that he’s NOT ‘come out of his silence’ before now….But then he did disown his son for being gay…..I wonder how pleased he is now that he forced his son to join the army to bring some structure to his life’….it doesn’t get much more structured than being chained up naked in a cell for 23 hours a day, does it, Brian?…
The father sounds like a right piece of work…. and the guys treatment certainly does sound inhuman…
But he should not have leaked classified documents… simple.
He should be treated correctly, and tried for what he did.
Bradley manning is clearly very troubled. Forcing him into the army to “straighten” him out is only going to make him worse, and i agree his father is quite clearly a horrible man..so no surprises he goes off the rails and does something very silly. What he did however in no way justifies the horrid and vindictive way he has been treated. Given that he is half British im sure theres something any well meaning British Government could do…oh sorry forgot we had the ConDems in power, thats sod all then…
And whats with bringing Islam into THIS conversation?
you guys are OBSESSED – truly!
What appalling treatment of Bradley at the hands of a very sick father, trying to rule his son’s life and cure him of the “illness” of being gay. The lessons of the film “Prayers for Bobby” still need to be taught to those folks with the retarded belief that somehow being gay can be cured.
The second lesson here is that the so called land of the free – the oh so mighty and great US of A is once again (if the reports are to be believed) leading the way in showing just how badly they can fail in upholding law, justice and basic human rights.
I don’t foresee a happy ending to this story.
Christians are tricking gays into attacking people and groups who Christians say they are against them.
The reason the Christians do this is to make gays waste money and time. The real targets is the Catholic church, Mormon Church, Evangelical Church, their secret was exposed that they are the ones who are giving millions of dollars to Christian Hate groups to stop gays.
Hello! The man hasn’t been put on trail yet. As far as we can tell they don’t have any evidence. But under the new laws passed since 9-11 they can throw anyone in jail indefinitely without even a charge. That’s life in the new paranoid USA. I wouldn’t be surprised if he eventually gets out and sues the government for wrongful imprisonment.
Shame on the military! This is the information age and the treatment of Manning is uncivilized. Bring charges, put him on trial, make a case and then dole judgment. Don’t “Guantanamo” our own citizens.
Let me bring him home, I’ll make him sleep naked.