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California gay marriage opponents say ban should be upheld

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  1. Jock S. Trap 8 Mar 2011, 5:56pm

    I’m sure they do but all this proves is they want no-one to progress and remain the main causes of discrimination.

    Its time to stand up and time for All human rights to be given equally.

    1. Marriage is not a human right, it has been for the last 200 years or so, a corporation.

      If you want to talk about love, life-long commitment, spirituality, or natural marriage, then you are talking about something that is more human or that derives from our humanity.

      1. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2011, 8:40am

        To celebrate love for another by marriage it a human right. It should be gender neutral and religion should stop trying to hijack it.

        No-one has the right to treat others unequally. We are all human beings and we all deserve to be treated with the same respect. That includes the chose of marriage.

        1. I don’t think you really understood my comment. Let me clear it up: There are 2 types of marriages 1)Natural/Instinctive marriage that derives from our human existence and our need for life-long commitment and loving relationship, which has been dead for the last 200 years, and 2) Corporate Marriage, is the one you are all fighting over, which is not about love, spirituality, or relationships but mainly entails banking/corporate law and transfer of money and property, it is mainly a business. It is NOT a human right, its business.

  2. I would say that I agree with the statement that Obama’s decision has no bearing on the California case. Even assuming that the part of DOMA that Obama won’t defend disappears, it does not force any state to recognize equal marriage laws, and each state has their own constitution.

    This certainly doesn’t mean that I agree with the rest of the statements in the article suggesting that equal marriage should be withheld indefinitely while the courts battle this out for the next 10 years.

    1. Luke from Canada 8 Mar 2011, 7:57pm

      although I am sure that if one part is unconstitutional the others are, wouldnt suprise me if the supreme court adresses that when it finally does get there. Alos the prop 8 trial will end up before the court and the ban will hopefully be turned over, and probalby the other states amendments as well

      1. No and no.

  3. Sorry but I don’t believe in gay marriage. Here in the U.K we have Civil Partnerships and while they are yet to be 100% equal (which needs to remedied) and I think most people much prefer a non-religious service.
    We can not force those that hate us to accept us and why on earth would you want to?
    I’m sorry to any gay people that subscribe to a dogma but maybe you need to start to look at what it is you are buying into. Faith and religion are not the same thing.

    1. “I don’t want a gay marriage, so no one else should either!”

    2. Yeah, I don’t think anyone wants gay marriage in a church. We want marriage as in: a legal ceremony performed before state officials.

      Let’s save the debate about marriages and civil unions after religious cults de-usurp the original word.

      1. “Yeah, I don’t think anyone wants gay marriage in a church. We want marriage as in: a legal ceremony performed before state officials.”

        i.e. a corporation

        “Civil partnerships” are the same as marriages, they are corporations that have the same affects in the matter of banking and business law (which is 95% of all western marriage laws)

    3. You don’t have to get married if you don’t want to – absolutely fine. But why would you want to stop other people having that choice?

      We’re not talking about religious marriages, we’re talking about civil marriages – nothing to do with any religion whatsoever – so I don’t understand your comment about dogma.

      No, we can’t force people to accept us but why should they be able to deny us equal rights? And if you think CPs somehow pacified the churches, then think again. The amount of cr*p from them has increased over recent years. The reason for that isn’t anything to do with marriage in my opinion, it’s a nasty little “you should know your place” attitude that seeks to keep LGBT people down and treats them as inferior.

      1. “You don’t have to get married if you don’t want to – absolutely fine. But why would you want to stop other people having that choice?”

        You can still marry your loved one. The poster has no “power” over you to limit/manage your relationship any other form.

        And just because the government decides to incorporate gay marriage, doesn’t make your marriage any more better or legit.

        1. Not sure what you’re getting at here, Pepa.

          1. Simply, you have the ability to get married, it is not illegal, as in you are not going to jail for getting married.

            However in most states you are not allowed to incorporate as a marriage corporation (ie be issued a marriage “license”) and have your relationship be subjected as a corporation like heterosexual couples.

            Hope that explains some.

          2. It IS against the law in the UK – I could get a CP but not a Civil Marriage. The choice of whether to get married or not isn’t open to me simply because of my sexuality. That’s not equality.

            Yes, I can make up my own ‘marriage ceremony’ and ignore the fact that it’s not recognised by the state but why should I have to? That’s the same kind of cr*p deal that interracial couples had to put up with in some countries.

            Marriage should be gender neutral.

            (BTW, when you say ‘states’ do you mean countries or are you referring to US states?)

    4. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2011, 8:51am

      So just because you don’t believe in Equal marriage does that mean no-one else should have that right?

      How about everyone being treated equally then having the right to decide if they want marriage or a civil partnership? or of course neither but it should be a choice for all consenting adults to make

      How can we expect to be treated equally if we are still second class citizens? We are human beings too you know.

      Civil partnerships are not equal to marriage and why should we plump for something that isn’t quite equal?

      No-one is forcing anything on anyone, fact is there are religions that wish to perform equal marriage, why should the Church of England overrule them? Marriage is not a right just for the heterosexual. Only people so insecure with themselves would pander to religious bigots and want to stay unequal.

      1. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2011, 8:54am

        Civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so they have no right to deny it to us. I do accept that there would be some who would like a religious marriage so why the dictate over it? Let those open minded religions do it if they wish.

        Nothing good comes from keeping us under a hypothertical thumbs, With equality comes Freedom and Every person has that basic human right to be as equal as the next person.

    5. Angela S. 9 Mar 2011, 2:57pm

      Yes Andy, I do not like ‘gay marriage’, but Marriage equality for all should not even be a question…
      Nobody forces you to have a marriage as a religious ceremony; it’s definitely not something I would want as a non-religious person.
      But, as a marriage is a legal commitment before the law, where you can only marry after getting a marriage license from a registrar, and where marriages with the same legally binding rights and requirements are performed outside of the religious mumbo-jumbo in a registrars office, it should there be fully equal and open to all!

  4. In the future when writing about American news could you please use American english? It’s “Defense” not “defence” it’s “Color” not “colour” you’re on the WWW. It’s the big leagues. You’re talking to everybody not just the Queen.

    1. Should the BBC website use American spelling every time it reports on the news over there as well?

      That is quite possibly the weirdest single complaint I have ever seen.

    2. Paddyswurds 8 Mar 2011, 8:58pm

      @madest….. Sorry, but you are so wrong. England, the home of English is in the UK and to expect the UK to use bastardised English is like asking France to use bastardised French. Not going to happen. “American English” is nothing more than pidgin English and is not considered “proper” if you like. English is spoken by more than 3 billion people around the world and American or pidgin English is spoken by less than 400 million of these. It is Americans who must realise that it’s the “big leagues” and that thei childish, almost phoenetic spelling is actuall wrong. Get a copy of the Oxford Concise English dictionary and learn to speak the language properly over there in the Colonies.
      Next you’ll be asking us to use the discredited Dollar.
      Damn Cheek.

      1. Oh paddyswurds! Madest is having you on! And thanks to American media which is ubiquitous, American English has become the “lingua franca” of worldwide English. But we Americans thank you just the same!

    3. Why? This is a UK site and it reports news in UK English. I don’t see US sites using UK spelling when they talk about UK matters.

    4. Its fine, we are still on a co.uk site, which means it is british. And quite frankly I prefer british english than american. As an American I still get what they mean and it doesn’t bother me, as long as the brits here don’t start complaining about my american english of course ;-)

    5. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2011, 9:00am

      One of the stupidest things I’ve heard. Mind you I think idiot is the same isn’t it in English and ‘American’ English. Like it’s our fault you can’t speak or write proper!!

  5. Obama isn’t refusing to defend DOMA. He’s just refusing to defend one part of it. DOMA is still law, and the rest of it will be upheld. You’re falling into the hands of Gay Marriage opponents who are using the “Obama’s not defending DOMA” line to whip up anti-gay support.

  6. Andy Q, just because you don’t want gay marriage, doesn’t mean that the rest of us don’t and you don’t speak for us. Many of us don’t want or believe in civil partnerships, but we’re not asking them to be banned. People should have a choice, not told what they can and cannot have. How would you like it if some of us started to push for a ban on CPs? You should support same-sex marriage even if you don’t want one or believe in it if you truly believe in full equality. Straight people should also have the right to form a CP if they don’t want to marry.

    Madest, I take exception to your request. Why should we Brits use American usage? Do you in your country use British usage when reporting events happening in Britain? Of course not. America doesn’t even have its own language, not officially. The only country that doesn’t. We can do what we want with our own language and nobody has the right to dictate otherwise, not even Noah Webster who started this nonsense.

    1. You should support same-sex marriage even if you don’t want one or believe in it if you truly believe in full equality.

      Starting a gay marriage corporation gives you a special status in banking/business/corporate law, which is different from the status of a single person, which is in total contradiction to the notion of “full equality.” Hence why I think “full equality” is nothing but an empty slogan, unless you want the legal (banking corporate law) status to be equal for every individual regardless of marital status (that is make everyone “married” or “single” ie abolish marriage corporation all together).

      1. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2011, 9:02am

        It’s not about Gay marriage. It’s about Equal marriage.

        1. At first you say that its about “Full Eqaulity” and now you say “Equal marriage.”

          Just to let you know that they are both different things and have different meanings.

          And having a gay marriage corporation (or obtaining a marriage license) doesn’t make you any more equal than anybody else. In fact you have a different status under banking/corporate law that is different from those who are single. Here is where your first notion of “full equality” is compromised.

          As far as “equal marriage” it is also an empty and naive statement, every marriage is unique and different as each person is unique and different, they might be similar but by all means they are not absolutely equal.

          1. I’m not nitpicking here, pepa, but I don’t see what marriage has to do with banking. Banks treat all customers the same, don’t they? An unmarried couple who chose to have a joint account would be treated just the same as a married couple, ditto for sole accounts. And as we’re all taxed as individuals then why would the current tax law be ‘unequal’ for single people? I have the same tax code as my straight married friend.

        2. It’s not about Gay marriage.

          I had a good laugh with this one.

          So I guess gay activists NEVER ever fight for gay marriage, they are fighting for all marriages, even the ones that might lend you in jail (polygamy, child, incest, zoophile etc).

          It is always better to be honest with ourselves and the public, YES this IS about gay marriage and nothing else. Very simple.

  7. friday jones 8 Mar 2011, 11:37pm

    You invented English, we perfected it. :p

    1. By dropping letters form words? Yeah, very efficient.

    2. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2011, 9:03am

      Slaughtered it more like!!

      :)

  8. So on a gay website we have ads by Google “Defend traditional marriage stand with Michele Bachmann”. Google ads and the nutcase Bachmann what a perfect match. I would like to know exactly how many of the Republican’s in the Senate are divorced, adulterers, and standing on the platform of the sanctity of marriage. Hypocrites to a man and woman too.

  9. Jerry Johnson 9 Mar 2011, 5:53am

    I am one of the 18000 legal same sex marriages in California. Anything other than marriage isn’t the same. We were Domestic Partners and it doesn’t come close to the feeling and meaning of marriage. Our church of worship is one of the largest and oldest in Los Angeles and they welcome same sex marriage. Support for same sex marriage is supported now by the majority of Americans according to all of the polls I’ve seen. Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was rejected by over 70% of the country. This certainly indicates the movement of equality by the younger voters which demands equality. You have to go to the government to get a drivers license in order to drive a car. You have to go to a government office to get your marriage license to get married. Religion doesn’t own marriage any more than they own license to drive. The ultimate question still exist…How on earth does my marriage have anything to do with you and your marriage? Simply put…..it doesn’t.

    1. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2011, 9:04am

      Yes, It always amazes me how long it actually takes the powers that be to listen to the very people that elected them.

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  11. Will you guys ever stop calling it ‘gay marriage’? The issue at stake is marriage equality. If you’re going to be this forward-thinking, why not add some quotes and call it ‘gay “marriage”‘ and maybe add LOL next to it?

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