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Tory MEP says EU funds for Africa should depend on gay rights progress

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  1. Stuart Neyton 23 Feb 2011, 11:54am

    I respect his commitment to LGBT rights but i disagree with him on this.

    It’s the people who will suffer from cuts to the aid budgets, not the homophobic governments.

  2. de Villiers 23 Feb 2011, 12:00pm

    I have always been concerned that international aid is about poor people in rich countries giving to rich people in poor countries.

  3. Jock S. Trap 23 Feb 2011, 12:42pm

    If we give aid to these countries we should have the right to know and see where it is going. If they expect aid they expect conditions.

    It’s all very well saying people will suffer from cuts in aid but where’s the proof that this aid actually goes to the people and not into the pockets of the governments?

    Dr Tannock is correct about this. Respect for all human beings and All rights to be so must be paramount.

  4. Peter & Michael 23 Feb 2011, 12:57pm

    Unfortunately it will be the people that will lose out, whilst the politicians will line their pockets. All countries should respect human rights including minority groups.

  5. I wholeheartedly support this move, in fact we should also sever any financial aid with commonwealth countries such as Jamaica among others that has a well-known antigay government and populace. I don’t care much if the people suffer since most of them are homophobic anyway. Just look at what’s going on in the rest of the African continent.

  6. Christine Beckett 23 Feb 2011, 1:49pm

    Bloody right….


  7. TheSuburbanBi 23 Feb 2011, 1:49pm

    I knew someone once who kept repeating the phrase, ‘when money talks, the bullsh*t walks.’

    Aid should definitely be withheld if human rights violations are supported by the government of any country. This is not just a tactic for Africa, but for anywhere that people are treated inhumanely.

  8. Excellent, hopefully will be put into practice. I’m sick of my taxes being used to assist these monsters in africa etc.

  9. Well people suffer from the outrageous level of homophobia in those countries, so quite frankly I couldn’t care less if other people suffer from aid. If you saw that Scott Mills documentary you can see quite clearly it is not just “the government” that is homophobic.

    What it boils down to as far as I’m concerned is, I don’t go to work 45 hours a week, pay hundreds of pounds in tax, for it to be sent to a country that wishes me dead.

  10. err, “suffer from aid cuts”*.

  11. This is very welcome, and it’s an good thing to say in public. Full marks to Dr Tannock.

    Stuart raised the concern that the person on the ground will suffer from the budget cuts, not the homophobic governments.

    I’m not sure this is a fair representation. Homophobia runs in all levels in African societies, not just in African governments. The purpose of the an aid budget is improve the lives of people, and this should include everybody in the recipient country. I think it is entirely reasonable to make some of the aid budget dependent on the government running a campaign to against homophobia.

  12. Stuart Neyton “It’s the people who will suffer from cuts to the aid budgets, not the homophobic governments.”

    Yes, but who votes these governments into power in the first place? If you want your country to receive funding, then vote for people that have a good human rights record.
    (Mr Mugabe, please sit down.)

  13. Christine Beckett 23 Feb 2011, 2:34pm

    As for the argument that stopping such direct funding will hit the poorest, I wonder if that is the case.

    I recall that a few years back the US government did some investigation into where it’s Overseas Aid dollars ended up, and found that 90 cents in the dollar went to the leadership of the countries concerned, and into their overseas accounts.


  14. Well done CharlesTannock.

  15. @ de Villiers
    Sadly, you are probably correct …
    “I have always been concerned that international aid is about poor people in rich countries giving to rich people in poor countries.”

  16. “I respect his commitment to LGBT rights but i disagree with him on this.
    It’s the people who will suffer from cuts to the aid budgets, not the homophobic governments.”

    I thought all the aid to Africa went to British arms manufacturers or into dictators Swiss bank accounts.

  17. Yes and the UK government should withhold aid too.Spending bilions on theses societieis is immoral when they holf such views.

  18. johnny33308 23 Feb 2011, 5:16pm

    Finally, the voice of reason….ceasing all funding to those countries involved in genocide is the only ethical choice availalble under these circumstances. This should be implemented now, rather than later. All such funding should be tied to human rights progress.

  19. I back this. Why should we send money to a country to help fund it’s hatred and murder of gay people.

  20. @ de villiers – ” I have always been concerned that international aid is about poor people in rich countries giving to rich people in poor countries.”

    couldn’t agree more.

  21. how much more money needs to be put into these countries – hate gays but happy to take the pink pound

  22. “If you subsidize something, you get more of it.”

  23. Doesn’t most of the money from Red Nose Day go to Africa. And also the money from Christian Aid week. they won’t be getting a penny from me. Stop the Aid to these savages and let them fend for themselves.

  24. I agree with him. We should not give money to homophobic regimes. The money is to be used to do good and there are more ways to make it do good than currently employed. If we use it to force these countries to sort out human rights abuses then that can only be a good thing.

  25. Totally agree, well done Tannock…..What’s more important to them , to get aid etc or to continue with homophobia, they’ve got a choice..

    The same arguments can also be applied to some of the countries within the EU as well. If Greece wants to be bailed out by France and Germany then first start recognising foreign French PACS. British CP couples and then start thinking of bringing a CP into Greece……

    If the EU wants to set an example then it needs to get its house in order as well!

  26. Sorry to go on about the sitution in the EU but earlier this month, the house of lords debated the new change to the CP act (ie allowing consular staff to perform CPs more easily). Some of the issues raised were interesting, even some EU countries are still refusing the UK to do British CPs in a British embassy ….perhaps we can’t bribe EU countries with aid money like African countries but it’s ridiuclous that we can’t even do British CPs in our own embassies abroad …..what laughable progress there is!

    house of lords debate 7/2

    “He (Chris Bryant) also wrote to all EU member states that do not have their own civil partnership legislation to ask for permission to conduct civil partnerships in our posts overseas where at least one half of the couple is a British national. Latvia, Cyprus and Bulgaria have replied to say that they do not object as long as their nationals are not involved. Estonia and Poland have said that they continue to object. We have not yet heard from Romania, Lithuania, Malta, Italy, Slovakia or Greece, but all are presumed still to object. “

  27. Isn’t this the point where all the lefties crawl out of the woodwork and accuse all gays of racism because we won’t send money to Africa?

  28. Fair point! The UK and EU could give their aid money to charities already working in the country, instead of giving it to the Government – that way those in desparate need are still cared for, and corrupt Governments are denied access to ‘free wealth’ for themselves!!!

  29. Jock S. Trap 25 Feb 2011, 8:09am

    I do find it funny that people like ‘berberts’ seem to have not commented. They seem to fear the Tories actually doing anything good which make me wonder how committed they are to equal rights themselves.

  30. Jock S. Trap
    That’ s simply because NuLiebor can do no wrong, and the evil N@zi Tories eat babies.

    I’m not saying that either party of this coalition is getting it all right, but they can’t do much worse than the last lot.

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