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Ireland’s first civil partnerships have taken place early and in secret

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  1. Congrats!

    3 months is a long time … I hope the delayed tax changes will be retrospective …

    I think France tried to change the PACS rules to get the registrar to go to the hospital to do a similar type of thing but they rejected it, which is strange since they allow straights to marry their dead partners …. I wonder what Edward Leigh would think of posthumous marriages and what that would lead to?

  2. Dan Filson 20 Feb 2011, 5:26am

    “As is the case with straight couples who wish to marry, gay couples who want a civil partnership have to give three months’ notice.” You might almost think they do not want ANYONE to marry! is this so any bump will be visible? To prevent ‘rash’ marriages? To detect false marriages? To eliminate marriage tourism? When a law has a provision that at once raises eyebrows, there ought to be a rational explanation.

    Incidentally each of these early civil partnerships must encompass a bit of an incipient tragedy – my sympathies

  3. I agree with Dan’s last sentence. Sympathy goes with the congratulations.

    3 monts isn’t THAT long, Surely preventing ‘rash’ marriages, false marriages, marriage tourism etc isn’t a bad thing? And if a ‘bump’ goes along with the wedding dress then that’s their problem not the registrar. As long as the wait can be waived on compassionate grounds such as happened in these cases, everyone else can surely hang on for 3 months?

  4. Congratulations and Best Wishes to the two couples … and here’s hoping they beat the medical odds and have a long and happy life!!!

  5. Why is it 3 months in Ireland, it’s only 15 days notice in Britain.

  6. because Ireland is a sovereign nation and it makes its own laws.It doesn’t just copy the UK.

  7. “Like Britain, many campaigners say civil partnerships are not enough and the Labour party has pledged in its manifesto to hold a referendum to decide on the introduction of same-sex marriages.”

    Since when are basic civil rights held to referenda? When was straight marriage ever put to the people? This is nothing more than blatant discrimination, singling out one group of people to decide if they should receive the same rights as the rest of society. Abominable and appalling!

  8. “Since when are basic civil rights held to referenda? When was straight marriage ever put to the people? This is nothing more than blatant discrimination, singling out one group of people to decide if they should receive the same rights as the rest of society. Abominable and appalling!”

    Robert, its down to the Constitution of Ireland, not down to discrimination.

    Article 41.1.1 could be arguably interpreted as marriage is between a man and a woman, and as the Constitution of Ireland can only be changed by referendum (which quite rightly should be the case in a democracy to prevent any one government being allowed make laws or act above the people), it has been suggested by the Authority General that this definition in Article 41.1.1 would have to change first. Not every legal person in Ireland agrees with this, but governments act principally on the advice of the AG. Its not ideal, but the strength of the Irish Constitution is in its ability to reside above the government, and prevents situations like in the USA, where the government can change its own constitution without the will of the people. Its also the reason why all EU Treaties have to be put before the Irish people before enactment.

  9. Opps. Authority General = Attorney General

  10. “THE FAMILY

    Article 41

    1.
    1. The State recognises the Family as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.
    2. The State, therefore, guarantees to protect the Family in its constitution and authority, as the necessary basis of social order and as indispensable to the welfare of the Nation and the State.
    2.
    1. In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
    2. The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.
    3.
    1. The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded, and to protect it against attack.
    2. No law shall be enacted providing for the grant of a dissolution of marriage.
    3. No person whose marriage has been dissolved under the civil law of any other State but is a subsisting valid marriage under the law for the time being in force within the jurisdiction of the Government and Parliament established by this Constitution shall be capable of contracting a valid marriage within that jurisdiction during the lifetime of the other party to the marriage so dissolved.”

    Actually, apart from that nonsense about ‘by her life within the home, woman gives to the State…’ and the next bit about mothers, it doesn’t in any way specify that marriage is between a man and a woman. But that’s probably because Eamonn De Valera and his cronies couldn’t imagine there was any other kind of marriage!

  11. “it doesn’t in any way specify that marriage is between a man and a woman. But that’s probably because Eamonn De Valera and his cronies couldn’t imagine there was any other kind of marriage!”

    Rose, you’re quite right, and this is where the legal arguments have come from to date. Some maintain that no referendum is needed, but there is a worry that unless it is done by referendum, any same sex marriage could be challenged in the Supreme Court and defeated on the basis on the original “intention” of the Constitution.

    Having said that, all recent polls in Ireland show a majority support for same sex marriage, and the Irish as a whole are generally very pluralistic in their outlook.

    The very least any new government could do is enhance the exiting CP legislation to include parental rights, but if the polls are anything to go by, Fine Gael will be the dominant part, and their track record in gay rights is up there with the right winders, alas.

  12. the ‘original intention’ of the Irish consitution was for everyone to live in little thatched cottages a la The Quiet Man, with the little woman baking soda bread while the man of the family was cutting turf!

  13. The headline is unfortunately misleading as the registrations did not take place in secrecy – just without publicity. All registrations must take place at a venue open to the public. Using the word secret could imply some sort of underhandedness, which is not the case – just a desire for a quiet life I suspect. Congrats to all

  14. funnily enough, I was just thinking about that myself, Martin. I think you’re right. Secret isn’t the right word, at all.

  15. “the ‘original intention’ of the Irish consitution was for everyone to live in little thatched cottages a la The Quiet Man, with the little woman baking soda bread while the man of the family was cutting turf!”

    Alas, de Valera’s progressive vision of Ireland…. you forgot to add in the draconian local catholic priest keeping illicit morals in check :)

  16. Ah , the Irish , who are coming to my town in droves because of the economic downturn. Some of them recently tried to attack my mentally ill camp friend , but i sorted them out. Bring you intolerance to my city Irishmen and women , we will hammer you back all the way to Ireland , with twice the ferocity of the UVF. Respect our tolerant society , or you will be extinguished and expelled without mercy.

  17. “victim”, of course 6 million people will behave the same way as the handful you came across. Doubtless you also think all gay people arekiddy fiddlers and jews will scam you for money…

  18. Chutney Bear 21 Feb 2011, 11:44am

    Victim

    Lets not get into an argument, were you not the ones who raped and pillaged their way across Ireland for 800 years? All in the past though just like your prejudices….

  19. chutney bear, I don’t think ‘victim’ is well enough versed in Irish social and political history to fully debate those issues.

  20. @victim , you should come to london and “hammer” the “intolerance” out of the londoner/british bigots/homophobes that have made this place a homophobic dump.

  21. “chutney bear, I don’t think ‘victim’ is well enough versed in Irish social and political history to fully debate those issues.”

    Yes, you have to ignore “victim”, he’s a bit of a basket case and enters any “Irish” labelled discussion in here and gives us all a good blast of lunacy. I mean, you only have to read the last post to see that his man should be in a psychiatric ward.

  22. Ah, that explains it, Will. I haven’t come across him before on here, but I’ve known the type. Needless to say I don’t assume the entire English race share his views!

  23. “Ah, that explains it, Will. I haven’t come across him before on here, but I’ve known the type. Needless to say I don’t assume the entire English race share his views!”

    Yes, Rose, he’s here many times, but only on Irish stories. The sad thing is I think he’s actually Irish, but obviously has a history of mental instability. As his name suggests, he has a persecution complex which he blames the entire Irish race on. That’s a normal thing to do, right?

    Well, would PN be the same if it didn’t attract complete basket cases like “victim”? :)

  24. Well, he makes a change from religious fundies!!!

  25. Victim:- “Respect our tolerant society , or you will be extinguished and expelled without mercy.”

    Sounds remarkably familiar to a certain dictator circa 1933 Germany:-

    “Respect our German Arian society , or you will be extinguished and expelled without mercy.”

    And we all know how that ended.

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