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  1. I think Scott Mills could easily have made his programme about the UK as it’s nearly as bad as Uganda for this type of crime

  2. I hate to say I tole you so Tatchell and Mills should start looking into this. I sorry for the gays in Uganda but they need to and probally want to find their own voice. who speaking up fo us Londoners?

  3. @ Joe did you watch the Scott Mills programme?

    “the UK as it’s nearly as bad as Uganda for this type of crime”

    Obviously you didn’t as to compare the two makes you look ridiculous. I agree that there are still certainly problems in this country and they need to be addressed, particularly hate crime such as this, but that dosn’t mean we should ignore the problems in every other country. This was a one off programme highlighting the Ugandan governments proposed policies to give gays the death penalty. You can hardly equate that with an extreme minority over here attacking gay people for no apparent reason.

    @ James “I hate to say I tole you so Tatchell and Mill”

    I’m sure Thatchell has done MUCH more than any gay person you know regarding Gay rights so the “I told you so is” childish and immature.

  4. Dan Filson 15 Feb 2011, 3:04pm

    Soi what are Joe and James! doing about it?

    In this case, hopefully CCTV – much maligned – will pick up the perpetrators. Provided the cameras are not smeary, blurry and useless.

  5. Dan Filson 15 Feb 2011, 3:06pm

    So what are Joe and James! doing about it?

    Hopefully CCTV, much maligned, will pick up the perpetrators.

  6. What I do Darren is fight every battle every day. I’m out and I see a lot of crap and I will never back down I set an example.

    Some idiot shouted battyman on the street I said yeah I get that a lot his mates laughed I confused the f u c ke r. Thats what I do so dont make assumptions and dont belittle my contribution. What do you do Darren?

  7. @ James I didn’t belittle your contribution as you didn’t state what your contribution was in your first comment. I made no assumptions as to what you do or do not do to combat homophobia. I stated that your “I told you so” comment came across as childish. Whatever problems we face here in the UK does not mean that we should ignore the plight of others, especially when everyone except the gay community themselves are calling for homosexuals to be killed.

    I also pointed out that, love him or hate him, Peter Thatchell has done alot for the gay rights movement.

    I’m sorry if that came across as belittling you as that clearly was not my intention.

  8. Ok Darren. I just would like to see some in the public eye adress the increase in homophobic attacks in London. Ever since Jaap Bornkamp murder in New Cross in 2000 there has been a murder about 6 months and Tatchell never says a word but he demonstrated rightly so when David Kato got murdered. He ghoes for high profile international stuff and ignores the things that affect me directly

  9. I’m sure there are going to be some comments from sheltered gays in a bubble saying how they never experienced homophobia because they live in a leafy middle class area or deliberately monitor their behaviour trying to be “straight acting ” and that anyone who does encounter it ,must be exaggerating because it has not happened to them. they are unable to empathise with gay people who are aware of the reality and not in some insular cocoon world. they must have some form of autism.

    @darren there is a large african population in london and a significant ugandan one with specialist churches for that community and there are very certain similarities to whats happening over there , here also ,and the problem is growing in the uk. depending on where you live its not just an extreme minority who hate gay people its an extreme majority. the homophobic endemic in london needs to be urgently addressed.

  10. Darren

    Don’t rise to James! or let him make you swallow his self-victimising crap. It’s the same thing every day – all scaremongering, trying to put the frighteners on everyone.

    You are right to point out that the UK is clearly not Uganda, as awful as this case is. For anyone who watched the documentary last night, it makes me glad about where I live. Still, I wouldn’t want to live in London, that’s where most of this happens.

    Again, I raise the question of failed multiculturalism….

  11. Rapture

    “they must have autism”

    Care to insult any other people with disabilities who can’t be here to defend themselves?

    If you must oppose a point, do it tastefully.

  12. yes m lets all join the EDL they like gays dont they

  13. Tatchell never says a word but he demonstrated rightly so when David Kato got murdered. He ghoes for high profile international stuff and ignores the things that affect me directly

    I think that’s a little unfair, James!. I should think Tatchell is aware that, for example, newspapers here report homophobic crime, and don’t actively encourage it, unlike in Uganda. This deplorable incident is being investigated by the police, not excused or dismissed by them – the situations are somewhat different, wouldn’t you say? I would suggest that the situation in, say, Uganda, is rather more urgent than here, despite last night’s incident.

  14. Rehan you’re wrong the mail times and sun encourage homophobia. BBc shown that nutter from the christian voice we may not want to admit it but we are not safe in london.

  15. I take the point of everyone who (rightly) points out the issues we are having here. I’m well aware of them. However, to equate them with the goings on in Uganda is utterly stupid. That is my only point.

    I agree that issues here in the UK, particularly in London, need addressing, but attacking Mills/Thatchell for choosing to highlight the problems faced by others does NOTHING to help the cause.

  16. @rapture Autism? Seriously? No one here is denying that there is homophobia in the UK, or in London. What they’re saying is that it is not as extreme and terrifyingly threatening as in countries like Uganda. Neither one is going ignored by activists, but different people choose different battles.

  17. @ mmmmmmmm you are here to defend yourself ,albeit in your usual pathetic ranting. As for opposing a point tastefully , you yet have not led by example.

  18. you’re wrong the mail times and sun encourage homophobia. BBc shown that nutter from the christian voice

    Oh come now, James! – really! The Mail is pretty poisonous in an insidious sort of way, but I monitored the newspapers for gay content once a week for 7 years (including the period when CPs were debated) and if you seriously think they – even the Sun – encourage homophobia, you need to travel to a few more countries.

    Nobody’s saying it’s all perfect now, but most of the time I was startled by just how far we’ve come in the last 25 years.

  19. James!

    “yes m lets all join the EDL they like gays dont they”

    Actually, they do. Read their mission statement, welcoming gays and lesbians. I don’t think they are the answer to the problems we have with multiculturalism as they attract hooligans, but homophobia is not something they can accused of.

    They are NOT the BNP.

  20. Well I’ve never been to Uganda but I bet if you were on the wrong end of a knife at night in Camden I imagine they may be pretty similar. You tell that chap who got stabbed last night that it’s not as bad as he thinks

  21. Rupture

    “@ mmmmmmmm you are here to defend yourself ,albeit in your usual pathetic ranting. As for opposing a point tastefully , you yet have not led by example.”

    Nice try, but trying to deflect this back on me (where is the evidence to support your claims?) doesn’t change your offensive remarks towards people with disabilities. It just makes you look bitchy.

    I criticise you regularly, but I don’t use insulting comparisons to those that cannot defend themselves.

    Stop hissing and amend how you present your arguments. Have a bit of dignity, eh.

  22. James!

    Again, quit the scaremongering and exaggeration, you are helping nobody.

    The UK is not Uganda, you’ll just have to accept it. Camden is one place, not the whole of the country. Incidents in Uganda are not isolated like they are here.

  23. “they attract [football] hooligans, but homophobia is not something they can accused of”. Ok this has got to be a wind up or we have the most stupid moron earth posting here

  24. Well I’ve never been to Uganda but I bet if you were on the wrong end of a knife at night in Camden I imagine they may be pretty similar. You tell that chap who got stabbed last night that it’s not as bad as he thinks

    I’m not belittling the violence of this incident at all, James!. However, it was seemingly a random incident and not (as far as I know) encouraged by the press and sanctioned by the state, and the support the victim will be receiving is, I’m sure, in a different league, a different galaxy, from that in places like Uganda.

    In a city of perhaps 12m people, this incident is reported and acted on. Are you as confident of support services for gays attacked in places like Uganda (and many many others)? I’m not.

  25. James!

    ““they attract [football] hooligans, but homophobia is not something they can accused of”. Ok this has got to be a wind up or we have the most stupid moron earth posting here”

    An extract from their mission statement….get ready to be humiliated, James!:

    http://englishdefenceleague.org/content.php?136

    …..Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities……

    Looks like a clear denouncement of homophobia to me.

    Oh, wait, there’s more:

    http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/03/27/the-english-defence-league-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-division-now-has-a-facebook-page/

    This is a WHOLE page dedicated to LGBT issues.

    Again, can you say they’re homophobic? Nah.

    Now, compare to the BNP:

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/anti-democracy-laws-now-being-extended-other-groups-besides-bnp

    I presume humble pie is on the menu chez toi this evening, eh James!

  26. Yes m football hooligans once in the edl shrugg of the homophobia expressed on the terraces you knob

  27. James!

    “Yes m football hooligans once in the edl shrugg of the homophobia expressed on the terraces you knob”

    Petty insults again, tsk.

    You’ve miss the point again. The EDL itself does not promote homophobia, which is why it can’t be accused of it. Football hooligans, which I disapproved of above, may feel differently. But that still doesn’t make the EDL at organisational level homophobic.

    It’s a bit like Labour supporters who are anti-immigrant somehow making abour an anti-immigrant party. Doesn’t make sense.

    Bit like you.

  28. @mmmmmmmmary , you make me laugh, giving advice on “dignity” rather than maintain a dignified silence, you just constantly contradict yourself. you can critisise me as much as you like, but really you are obsessional .I really know how to touch a nerve with you. you’re just a bit of sport for me .

  29. To those saying that homophobia in the UK is comparable to homophobia in Uganda, and Africa in general, please read this study which was released today:

    http://www.iglhrc.org/binary-data/ATTACHMENT/file/000/000/484-1.pdf

  30. Rehan In London it’s not random it’s always there, simmering below the surface waiting for an oppourtu ity. Please google homopbic mruders London and see for yourself.

  31. Rupture

    “@mmmmmmmmary , you make me laugh, giving advice on “dignity” rather than maintain a dignified silence, you just constantly contradict yourself.”

    Erm, I don’t think you’ve grasped the ide of an online forum. It works because people aren’t actually silent – you know, expressing views. Thanks for the advice of contradictions, but as you, again, haven’t actually substantiated that claim, it is dismissed like all the others.

    “you can critisise me as much as you like, but really you are obsessional.”

    Sorry to burst your bubble sweet cheeks, but you’re naive to think you’re the only one I criticise on here. You’re all just names on a screen. Though, do note your hypocrisy as well, the fact you keep replying in a failed attempt to actually annoy me would infer you are maybe the obsessed one.

    “I really know how to touch a nerve with you.”

    That’s what you think. It gives me a huge sense of well-being when I see such a cringeworthy statement. It confirms the image I had of you all along. You’re on here obviously just to wind people up, not for the debate. What’s the matter, run out of phone boxes to smash up?

    “you’re just a bit of sport for me”

    If this is all you’re living for, then you have my deepest sypmpathy. Must be a bit of a drag having such a boring life that all your excitement comes from trying to wind up people on an anonymous forum where you can’t even see their reaction, haha. Though that’s probably best, my laughter would kind of shatter your moment.

    I think you need to convince yourself a bit harder that I actually give a monkey’s about you specifically.

  32. EDL are thinking, my enemies enemy is my friend. When they’ve finished with Muslims it will be the poofs next.

  33. James!

    “Rehan In London it’s not random it’s always there, simmering below the surface waiting for an oppourtu ity. Please google homopbic mruders London and see for yourself.”

    Just did. Got any ACTUAL stats you can share? I’m not trawling through endless copies of the same stories.

    Maybe you can compare that to the number of teenage murders in the black community and the number of female murders. We’re quite low down the list, I imagine.

    Again, as you seem to know it all, do provide the stats.

  34. Sorry to burst your bubble sweet cheeks, but you’re naive to think you’re the only one I criticise on here. You’re all just names on a screen

    Were just names so you’re not here to learn something or to be challenged or to share or grow your here to criticise and hijack threads. Don’t waste your time replying I’m done with you

  35. James!

    “EDL are thinking, my enemies enemy is my friend. When they’ve finished with Muslims it will be the poofs next.”

    No. The EDL have made it clear that if the Tories do something about the problems with Islam and multiculturalism, then the EDL will quite happily disband. They are a pressure group, not a political party.

  36. Robert (Kettering) 15 Feb 2011, 5:13pm

    Yet again, we see the wonders of multiculteralism in action!

  37. @mmmmmmmmary If you really don’t give a “monkeys” then why are you still taking such effort to reply? sounds like you are the one with a desperation to convince. you are the desperado frantically responding to any poster with some lame critique in the hope of recognition.its a catharsis to your void existance. you are the incessant manic,troll. you say one thing but do not convey it. Here’s some advice you should adopt “better to be thought of as a fool , than open your mouth and remove all doubt”. Predictably, another of your tedious rants will follow to prove my point.

  38. Rehan In London it’s not random it’s always there, simmering below the surface waiting for an oppourtu ity. Please google homopbic mruders London and see for yourself

    But James!, I live in London, have done for 22 years, 15 of them in the West End. Maybe I’m lucky but I have almost always felt quite safe here – and I walk most places.

    It’s not all safe of course, there are plenty of areas I wouldn’t feel comfortable venturing into – on the basis of being of an ethnic minority as much as, if not more than, by being gay.

  39. James!

    “Were just names so you’re not here to learn something or to be challenged or to share or grow your here to criticise and hijack threads.”

    Erm, you ARE just names. No faces, no pictures, no ages, no physical dimensions, no background info….just names expressing opinions, that’s it. That’s all any of us are. Ar eyou ACTUALLY proposing that we should be ‘friends’? This is a debating site, not the Admiral Duncan.

    “Don’t waste your time replying I’m done with you”

    This is comical. Are you ACTUALLY trying to insinuate you are upset that I don’t treat you like a REAL person? Or that I would be ‘hurt’ by you rejecting me? Haha, this is beyond hilarious.

    If you had stuck to debating the issues instead of calling me a C U N T (like you have several times this week), then maybe you wouldn’t have been criticised so much. If you can’t handle the big boys, find someone who can to represent you here.

  40. James!, again, no one *aside from mmmmmmm) is trying to imply that there isn’t homophobia in the UK, or specifically London.

    However, it isn’t illegal to be gay here and walking down the street holding your partner’s hand, in most areas of London, won’t get you killed.

    In the last 6 months, I thankfully moved to Brighton, but for two and a half years before then, I lived first in Brockley and then New Cross (directly on New Cross Road). There were numerous times (especially in Brockley and heading into Peckham or Lewisham) where my wife and I were insulted, sworn at and (most often in New Cross) propositioned due to our sexuality. But, and this is the important part, those were fairly isolated events and occurred only on occasion. While sometimes uncomfortable due to our surroundings, we were never afraid to leave our homes and we never experienced violence towards us – and you can’t say that this is because we were living in a nice, middleclass suburb.

    Yes, homophobia still exists, yes it is abhorrent and needs to constantly be fought against, no matter where it’s happening. Yes, what happened to the man in Camden is a horrible crime.

    It’s comparing the UK, where it’s not only legal, but we’re protected by law, to countries like Uganda, where it’s a criminal offence, where the police are often those committing homophobic acts, where lesbians are regularly raped to “make them straight” and others live in constant fear of being discovered, beaten, killed, *that* is what I and others such as Darren and Rehan don’t approve of.

  41. Rupture

    “@mmmmmmmmary If you really don’t give a “monkeys” then why are you still taking such effort to reply?”

    I never said I wouldn’t reply, it’s my right to. I just don’t take any of your comments seriously, hence I don’t give a monkey’s about the content of your points. As for you calling me obsessional, erm, as you insist on continuing this – and diverging from the topic – aren’t you being a eeny weeny bit hypocritical? Again!

    “sounds like you are the one with a desperation to convince. you are the desperado frantically responding to any poster with some lame critique in the hope of recognition.”

    Recognition for what? Having an opinion! Ha ha, you are really quite entertaining. Not to mention insecure.

    “its a catharsis to your void existance.”

    Says you who keeps insulting me, not to mention the disabled.

    “you are the incessant manic,troll”

    Erm, you’re the one who won’t let us focus on the debate. So stop being a troll and quit deviating from it!

    “Here’s some advice you should adopt “better to be thought of as a fool , than open your mouth and remove all doubt”.

    How deep, how deep.

    “Predictably, another of your tedious rants will follow to prove my point.”

    One man’s tedious rant is another man’s recognised condemnation of an idiot. You are that idiot. But I am glad you exist as it reconfirms just how great I am.

  42. Weetzie

    “James!, again, no one *aside from mmmmmmm) is trying to imply that there isn’t homophobia in the UK, or specifically London.”

    Erm, if you must comment on my posts, don’t distort them. Anyone can see I haven’t implied that there is NO homophobia, just the rational, logical, common sense argument that it is nowhere near as bad as Uganda.

    That is all. So do shut up if you have nothing else contribute except misquotes.

  43. mmmmmmary aww i’ve really hurt you , i can see you are getting upset lol. i did not want to destroy your delusional sense of self. i bet you are sitting there now seething maybe self harming . you are quite unhinged and a novelty laugh but i’m afraid i gotta get on with my life now , no doubt you will still be here 24/7 when i’m back.

  44. Very sad to read of the attack – I blame the LGBT community at the end of the day -what do we do when these attacks happen -nothing.

    We should be demonstrating on the streets peacefully to say enough is enough.

    The gay media will contain pages of griming white panted blokes yet again this week with a paragraph about this attack.
    I hope this guy makes a good recovery and the scum responsible as caught

    gav

  45. Rupture

    “mmmmmmary aww i’ve really hurt you , i can see you are getting upset lol”

    In your wet dreams. You are mere chicken feed.

    “i did not want to destroy your delusional sense of self.”

    Which is just as well, given that I didn’t have any. I’m great, face it.

    “i bet you are sitting there now seething maybe self harming.”

    Now you are just being sick. First it was the disabled, then self-harmers. These aren’t respected debating tools, not that I’d expect you to be aware of that.

    ” you are quite unhinged and a novelty laugh”

    Oh the hypocrisy.

    “but i’m afraid i gotta get on with my life now”

    Good, hope you find one. Whatever stops you from trying to hijack mine.

    “no doubt you will still be here 24/7 when i’m back.”

    Erm, presumably I would have starved to death by now if that were the case. It just seems that way as I have so many good points to contribute. As for you, well, yeah, sorry about that, you’re not really memorable.

  46. was this reported on the news??

  47. Weetzie and rehan I know its worse in Uganda but it’s still bad at best we are tolerated as you would a bad smell in a lift. At worst murdered it hasn’t happened you you or someone you love so it’s still not an issue. And it’s not just physical abuse as we are a more sophisticated society mental abuse which leads to mental health issues and suicide should also be acknowledged as an insidious form of homophobia.

  48. James!

    You are doing all of our supportive friends and families a great disservice by insinuating that they tolerate us as much as a bad smell.

    None of my kith and kin are of such an ilk and I can’t imagine many others on here could claim that the majority of people they know merely ‘put up with them’.

  49. shockin g

  50. dave wainwright 15 Feb 2011, 11:56pm

    I left London 8 years ago after 30 years of living there as an OUT gay man , I would not return there and do not even enjoy visiting any more . Dreadful place these days .
    My advice; GO WEST where the air is clear :)

  51. saynotommmmm 16 Feb 2011, 12:32am

    @mmmmmmmmary , you make me laugh, giving advice on “dignity” rather than maintain a dignified silence, you just constantly contradict yourself. you can critisise me as much as you like, but really you are obsessional .I really know how to touch a nerve with you. you’re just a bit of sport for me

    rapture Im so glad you posted this. Can we all on here agree to just not to adknowledge mmmmmmm.

  52. I hate to say I tole you so Tatchell and Mills should start looking into this. I sorry for the gays in Uganda but they need to and probably want to find their own voice. who speaking up for us Londoners? – James!
    ———————————————————————————————

    Maybe if London’s LGBT community said sod the pride party this year and went out and demonstrated like Peter Tatchell and his generation did, we might just get somewhere!

    I’m sure its not beyond Camden’s vibrant LGBT organisations to organise a march in protest.

    We don’t need Tatchell or Mills to get the message across, Camden supported by LGBT groups across London should be able to do it.

    The question is do they have the will!

  53. Homophoby is rampant everywhere (more or less) in the world.
    THIS IS THE FACT!
    I live in Italy and some time ago, after some macho-style-stupid remarks of our stupid-clown-prime minister-Mr. Berlusconi, I read here on pink news a lot of offensive comments about Italy and the Italian people in general: primitives, ignorants, etc. etc.!
    The point is NOT to make competitions on who is the most respectful and democratic between us, the point is that WE GAYS AND LESBIANS must be more united EVERYWHERE and ALWAYS to try to faith the wrong attitudes towards us!
    I have a lot of gay British friends, and they constantly report to me a lot of homophobic abuses that they constantly witness and LIVE in their daily lives, in the places of work, at schools etc.
    PLEASE, you forgot to mention that in London the situation for the gay and lesbian community is actually even better than the British countryside, believe me! There it is much more worst!

  54. Helen I agree we do have it in us. After Jody Dubroski was murdered in Clapham I was over the Heath and I heard what sounded like a crazy man shouting so only way up the hill to sort it out I crossed paths with about 5 other guys with the same idea, to fix the bstard. turns out he was a drunk skinhead who decided not to stop. That was pretty cool and restored my faith.

  55. Mihangel apYrs 16 Feb 2011, 7:01am

    for all the advances, it’s still a dangerous place to be gay

  56. I’ve got an idea as to why homophobia has got worse. in the early 2000 there was his whole asylum seeker “problem” and a complete shift to the right in Europe. Now that “problem” has been sorted out the attention has turned to us

  57. @saynotommmmmmmm, i agree this mmmmmmmmary loser is just some embecile ,not to be taken seriously. he is clueless was funny briefly to see him write his drivel, but very boring now best ignored like a petulan, spoilt brat having a tantrum .

  58. @james! its good to have someone online here who actually has some life experience of persecution of living in london as lgbt, rather than some uneducated bile from some twit in middle england and ilk who has not the capacity to empathise with others experience. you make worthy contributions here but unfortunately some will just nit pick to feed their fragile egos.

  59. Rapture,

    rather than some uneducated bile from some twit in middle england

    your my hero, this is the profile I had of him.

  60. Unfortunately the interview with David Bahati was over-hyped. Scott is not a professional journalist and failed to deliver a killer blow. He made the mistake of laughing along with Bahati.

    Scott said that young people in Uganda are fed an unending diet of anti-gay propaganda. Of course the same isn’t true in Britain, but kids here are fed an unending diet of heterosexism/heteronormativity.

    http://newsround-bias.blogspot.com/2011/02/should-homosexuals-face-execution-might.html

  61. theotherone 16 Feb 2011, 11:57am

    things arn’t so bad in the UK? Yea right: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/02/08/scotland-sees-huge-increase-in-reported-homophobic-hate-crime/

    Stop picking on James – he’s wrong about Uganda but right about the UK.

  62. theotherone 16 Feb 2011, 12:04pm

    oh and Mmmmm: just because the EDL say they’re not Fascists does not mean they are not.

    If you tie your flag to their mast you’re in serious trouble.

  63. The Lizzie 12 16 Feb 2011, 12:24pm

    We can’t expect Peter Tatchell to do everything for us. We (the LGBT community) need to get more involved at local level to ensure the police and local authority are taking homophobic crime seriously. Some practical tips: find out if you have a LGBT Forum in your community and join. If not, do what I did (in 1994) and raise homophobic crime at a meeting of your local Police/Community Consultative Group. Join your local Safer Neighbourhood Ward Panel (I chair mine in a tough part of S E London). And yes, I would like to see more television and radio documentaries taking homophobic crime in the UK SERIOUSLY! BBC TV’s Panorama has been on the air since the 1950s and I cannot recall that worthy series EVER focussing on US!

  64. People – you should all move to safe SW London – the population is a lot more civilised, gay friendly and decent, with few people from the 3rd World to terrorise us! No Islamofacists, no BNP, no EDL here!

  65. Instead of bitching and sticking the knife into each other shouldn’t we all be channeling this towards the phobes? London is getting rougher than a badger’s arse by the day and we’re just taking it.

  66. Damian where exactly in SW London are you??!! Cause it ain’t exactly San Fran my neck of the woods. If you move outside of your area you’re into the dregs again. Its all well and good living in a bubble but why should we have to run for the hills and let the yardies, islamo-fanatics and chavs take over the city?

  67. thanks Rapture and theotherone. I cant find this reported in the indy or guardian which is pretty shocking

  68. @damian yea right ,its really great in sw9 stockwell /brixton , u tripping mate.

  69. CMYB – I’m right in the ‘bubble’ …Richmond…yeah and your’re right, its not that far from the dregs of Hounslow! I used to love London – now i find it threatening and tense. The police and authorities are bereft of any power to halt the decline in the face of the screaming ill-liberal left whose policy it was to re-engineer British society.
    Thats why I choose to live in the leafy suburbs where the demographics are a little more monogenous!

  70. Hounslow is beyond ‘bad’. A mash-up of unemployable white chavs in direct competition with the ghetto that is Southall. It amazes me that gay boozers like the George in Isleworth open when guys are being knifed outside gay bars in more central areas of London.

  71. Its disgusting that this pervasive homophobia throughout london is not being awknowledged in a public capacity. Its ignored by the media , politicians and lgbt in the public sphere. And to add to this some lgbt people seem to have their heads in the clouds walking around not having any idea whats going on, or accepting passively this is how its supposed to be. There needs to be zero tolerance of homophobia to erradicate this spiral.

  72. Raputre were at rock bottom now it will take a high profile or black gay murder before any action is taken. Were not important enough to get any attention from tatchell

  73. The lizzie. Tatchell is our spokes person wether we like it or not he caused me a load of personal greif I had a knife pulled on me as a direct consequence of his actions. And when he gets one threat he decides to chicken out. It was his descision to become our spokesperson now I want him to do something for me.

  74. “… as a direct consequence of his actions.”

    @ James!

    Please could you elucidate?

  75. It could only be a direct result of Tatchell’s actions if he gave or sold the person the knife. If not it was the knife carriers responsibility not anybody else’s.

  76. The Lizzie 12 16 Feb 2011, 7:07pm

    @James! I am sorry to hear what happened to you. I was victimised by the police in the 1980s and I have experienced homophobic abuse. Tatchell aside, what I was saying in my previous posting is that we (the LGBT community) can do things for ourselves by joining local groups (see previous message). I am not a political activist, neither do I “represent” the LGBT community, or have anything to do with Stonewall, but I have ensured that I have a voice in my local community on various police/community forums. It may not seem much, but I am assured I have made a difference (no arrogance intended but for my efforts my local authority have given me a Civic Award and the local police awarded me a Commendation. Perhaps if I was acknowledged in the wider LGBT community ie by Stonewall and The Independent “Pink List” I could help “spread the word” and encourage more of us to do this kind of work.

  77. Saynotommmmmmm/Rapture

    Wow, someone has such a crap life that they have actually created a new account based around my username. Although, it will most likley be anyone of the usual suspects masquerading as someone else (split personality?).

    It’s also hilarious how you have conjectured my socio-economic background (‘Middle Englander’) and, yet, got it so spectacularly wrong. Not that this is a surprise, you generally prefer to insuate and ‘state the truth’ without any evidence to show for it. What’s weird though is how you seem to want to define the validity of an opinion on violence as being how many times someone has been beaten up. That’s like saying only those who have ever been to Uganda have the right to express a view on it. Well, you’d better shut up quick then, hadn’t you!

    Anyway, wonderful, just wonderful. My moral high ground towers above you to such an extent that you’d need crampons and an ice pick to even stand a chance of reaching my dizzy heights.

    Guys, seriously, your obsession with me is just bizarre. Someone disagrees with you and you hurl obscenities, insults and speculation – a very primitive form of defence deployed by the least educated and most puerile members of society. Perhaps you have been raised to have your own way all the time or spent too long suckling from your mummies’ breasts, but that’s not my fault, you’re old enough to know better.

    And at least learn to spell some of the words you use correctly. I can allow for typing errors, but yours are just plain sloppy.

    Ignore me as you desire, that’ be great. But it won’t freeze me out. Sorry, democracy and freedom of speech win every time.

    Now, stop trolling and diverting the discussions by focusing on me (as great as I am).

  78. ahhh mmmmmmmmmmmm feeling rejected by pink news fans? just dont wet your keyboard love

  79. @andrzejs Big up! tell it like it is to mmmmary , he a bumbaclot! he like that on road? he needs a dose.

  80. @james! i do agree with a lot of what you have to say but i am mixed race and there already have been plenty black gay people murdered but done by stealth of the law, so unfortunately it makes no difference black/white , there is no justice for lgbt. hope you still fighting the good fight?

  81. Dave – no its a boring story

    Helen – we have to agreee to disagree if someone is speaking for a community within a community without their consent and states that things will get more difficult but its a price worth paying without putting themselves in the same position is weak and cowardly.
    I had to deal with the day to day consequences for around 3 years it was pretty hellish and relentless he gets a death threat and stops immediately. I didnt have the choice to move or see friends in the country every day there was some type of attack and I’m one of the lucky ones.

    Lizzie – I do what I can

  82. Kevin O'Neill 17 Feb 2011, 10:18am

    @mmmmmmmmmm I don’t care whether the EDL welcome gays or not. Yesterday they announced their new alliance with a terrorist group
    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/1815/EDL-Forge-Links-with-Terrorists

  83. Please stop squabbling amongst ourselves. Homophobic crime is escalating out of control in central london. I once briefly dated a rabbi at the black cap. That was cut short when he was found chopped to bits and scattered around kings cross in bin bags. How about something more productive, like a volunteer gay patrol to support our community.

  84. How about something more productive, like a volunteer gay patrol to support our community.

    Where would you suggest they/we patrol? Areas like Soho are relatively safe already, given the number of gay and other people around. The trouble is that our ‘community’ isn’t actually a geographically-specific one, is it?

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