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  1. Personally, this sounds like a lot of fuss over nothing. This guy is ‘taming the beast’. He’s taken a nasty subject and made light of it and, in doing so, he’s stuck two fingers up at the anti-gay B&B idiots that just got sued.
    He’s also made a very clever marketing move!

  2. Keith Lynwood 14 Feb 2011, 11:32am

    It made me laugh. I took it as a joke. It is always the thought and purpose behind things that you have to consider.

  3. Homophobia is an intention, not a word! Before anyone judges perhaps they should at least take the time to find out the meaning. We live in a country where far too many people are willing to jump to conclusions without any basis. p.s. I’m proud to be a poofter and would be far more offended if I was accused of being straight. Perhaps he might have written that both poofters and breeders are welcome… Just a thought.

  4. Andi McLean 14 Feb 2011, 11:37am

    It’s not a word that is homophobic it’s how it’s used.

    I found it funny

  5. Christine Beckett 14 Feb 2011, 11:42am

    Yeah…

    Have to say IMO it’s a clever bit of satire aimed at the holier-than-thou brigade… :-)

    chrissie

  6. I am gay and I don’t like the continued use of language which has been used throughout my life to belittle, demean and abuse me.

    However, that said, I loved the comment, it has cheered me up and made light of a story I found profoundly upsetting.

    Mike Sacqui, owner of the Penny Farthing Hotel, in Lyndhurst; you are alright by me mate.

  7. What is this, an outbreak of common sense on Pink News?

  8. If you all think it’s a light hearted joke then think about how much of a different reaction there would have been had he said “Niggers welcome here”. Words feed homophobia people, remember that.

  9. FFS, it’s a JOKE!

  10. No poofter is NOT acceptable.

    What if I had a board say Niggas Welcome?

  11. many a true word said in jest

  12. I took it as a light hearted joke to be honest. I would have stayed there.

    I think it’s because of all the negative press from anti gay hotels recently that I took this one as light hearted. Poofter isn’t offensive to me personally.

  13. The guy is obviously well-intentioned but surely the point is obvious – a word you might use in facetious verbal banter with an lgbt friend who knows you aren’t homophobic is not suitable for a public sign read by strangers who are not mind-readers and who will either feel their prejudices supported or their lives and loves sneered at with added sarcasm (‘welcome’).

  14. who wants to be the first to book a room and find out if he means it?

  15. Lucio Buffone 14 Feb 2011, 1:37pm

    My first reaction when I read this (in the Telegraph on Sat) was to laugh! Good piece of marketing

  16. It looks homophobic and many won’t be bothered about the intentions behind it

    1. I don’t think so. Any homophobic intent is immediately dissolved by the word “welcome.” No homophobic person welcomes gay people.

  17. Nice to see someone that sticks two fingers up at the po-faced PC brigade.

    As someone mentioned earlier, words are not homophobic, simply their usage and intent.

  18. He *may* have meant it as a joke, but I personally didn’t think it was very funny. Saying he wrote it in jest doesn’t make it any less offensive. Replace the word ‘poofters’ with any other homophobic word used by bigots (‘batty boy,’ ‘faggot’ etc) and I wonder how many people would dismiss it as funny? Would writing ‘pakis are welcome’ been less or more offensive?

  19. Come on people – this is comedy – it’s a satirical reaction to a bigoted slur – I found it funny too

  20. For crying out loud the man has good intentions. He clearly isn’t homophobic and is putting it up there is a friendly, good natured way. It’s all about context and I really don’t see an issue here.

  21. Yeh yeh, let’s bring pejorative words back into everyday social usage… will that be of any benefit? For whom?

  22. Jock S. Trap 14 Feb 2011, 3:21pm

    mountains – molehills

  23. Just to show how unacceptable “jokes” and “light-hearted” signs like this would be if the targeted minority was other than gay I posted some other variations of the sign and Pink News censored the comment and didn’t post it.

    I guess slurs are only funny when directed at gay people “in good fun” and joking. We’re CERTAINLY the ONLY minority that is expected to accept slurs as light-hearted, non-offensive and funny.

    No matter how light hearted or joking a sign directed toward Blacks, Jews, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis or ANY other minority, NO ONE would defend the use of slurs referencing them. Yet we are expected to accept the use of gay slurs, and all too often we do. No wonder straight people are so confused about when it’s ok to call us faggots and poofters and when it’s not.

  24. Just imagine “y*ds welcome here”, “p*k*s welcome here” …

  25. @Spanner – keep on living in whatever dream-world you live in

    I agree with Hayden anyway plus words can be homophobic and the sign looks homophobic

  26. No, of course the intention isn’t homophobic~ after all no homophobes would go in and ask for a room if they saw the sign outside, would they? And of course the present currency of the term nigga is amongst young black people themselves.

    But it also interesting to speculate what the reaction would have been if somebody else had come along and put the very same notice outside the very same premises.

  27. Note to PC crew: the context is important – the court case was about a B&B rejecting gay people, not any other minority group – that’s why it’s ironic, and why it’s funny – of course it doesn’t translate to other other groups because they weren’t the subject of a court victory. The anger in the irony is aimed fair and square at the breeder bigots – who may well be put off staying at that hotel having read the sign.

  28. Chester: I’m trying to understand your point of view, but unfortunately I can’t stick my head that far up my arse.

    “poofter” is a light hearted phrase, and if it said “darkies”, I would take it in the same jovial manner it was intended. It is not in the least offensive, and I cant see how you can even SEE the sign in that piddling photo. You really are pathetic if you think something like that is offensive. Maybe you should just stay in bed all day and bury your head under a pillow, and maybe it might just go away.

  29. I have just looked at the Penny Farthing Hotel, in Lyndhurst, website and nowhere at all does it mention that it is gay friendly.

  30. Spanner, here’s an idea, why don’t you go around wearing a shirt displaying pejorative and racist words, and see what happens?

  31. Trip Advisor do not give the Penny farthing hotel a very good review. In light of this, presumably the recent “Poofters welcome here” strap line; is an attempt to drum up business through “bandwagon” publicity surfing.

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g503849-d580835-Reviews-Penny_Farthing_Hotel-Lyndhurst_New_Forest_Hampshire_England.html

    No where on the hotels website do they advertise that they are gay friendly

    http://www.pennyfarthinghotel.co.uk/

  32. Patrick O'Gormley 14 Feb 2011, 8:17pm

    ……..one presumes that this same council complaied bitterly to the hotel/B&B owners who turned away a gay couple recently. The bigots absolutely hate that we have taken back the word QUEER and seeth with hatred while they pretend to be “offended”on our behalf.

  33. Beberts:
    A (black) mate did just that.
    He wore a T-shirt with
    This ain’t no suntan, man,
    I’m a coon”

    And everyone took it for the fun it was intended. Words only have power when idiots like Chester take offence to them. If nobody cares, they don’t mean anything.

  34. Yay someone with a good sense of humour

  35. Spanner, self-deprecation can be offensive, but oftentimes is something to be pitied, or laughed at. How can you be sure the hotel owners fall in this category? Do you know if they’re gay to self-deprecate?

  36. Strange that the Hotel do not mention they are gay friendly

    http://www.pennyfarthinghotel.co.uk/rooms.html

    What they do mention is that they cater for families, but they do not mention gay families

    “All named after Bicycles we have a choice Single, Double, Twin, and Family Rooms all with Ensuite facilities, some baths some showers.”

  37. “poofter” is a light hearted phrase, and if it said “darkies”, I would take it in the same jovial manner it was intended.

    A couple of points, Spanner: you might not think “poofter” quite so light-hearted if it preceded a fist in your face; and while ‘darkie’ may well be a matter of jovialty to you, I can assure you – as a darkie – I find that word rather less than amusing.

    Why not try going to a predominantly black area and calling out “N1gger!” – jovially, of course – and see how people react? You might find it interesting.

  38. I laughed when I read the headline. I think it is a good send-up of those who have recently been in the news for not wanting gay couples to stay. If my partner and I read that on the noticeboard, we would stay there! LOL

  39. Gregg O'Grady 15 Feb 2011, 1:30am

    The world has gone mad in its political correctness, May I suggest a new sign for the Hotel;
    All People Welcome Here……….OR
    We accept Poofters; Trannies; Breeders; Jews; Arabs; Blacks & Whites and anyone else who will pay us some money!!!

  40. I don’t tend to agree with words like these as they do tend to have a derogatory meaning, but I think this one is just pretty fun and meant as tongue-in-cheek. Though I think there is a line where it goes too far, and it’s a blurry line, I don’t think it was crossed this time. I did have a laugh to be honest – I wouldn’t be offended if it had said ‘butch dykes on bikes’ welcome or something like that.

    BUT saying this, probably going to contradict myself, I agree with Hayden’s longer post. Goodness knows what the reaction would be, if recently a Pakistani couple had been refused from a B&B, and so they put up a sign saying: ‘P**is welcome’. Outrage though the intention wouldn’t have been racist – as in this case it isn’t meant to be homophobic.

    I did laugh but I do admittedly agree that perhaps words like these shouldn’t be bandied about; people are easily confused about the usage then, and whether non-gays can use words like poofter (like non-black people are rightly encourage not to use n***a, though black people use it).

  41. Lol at Gregg’s comment. It’s succh a fine line between being far too PC and just silly, and between allowing gay derogative words to be shown as acceptable in some circumstances. Perhaps this time, we should take it as someone said, a satirical view on recent events.

  42. Rehan “Why not try going to a predominantly black area and calling out “N1gger!” – jovially, of course – and see how people react?”

    I didn’t say “n|gger”, I said “darkie”, which is a wholly less offensive word. Please don’t try and steer my argument. It would be no different to walking down Old Compton St and shouting “Dirty Queers”.

    When I was a kid, we all called black people darkies, we weren’t being racist and they didn’t mind. In fact it was almost a term of affection.

    Sometimes I think people are way too thin-skinned. Stick and stones and all that.

    “Poofer” generally refers to effeminate men, not necessarily gay ones.

  43. Rehan spanner is a tool

    “Poofer” generally refers to effeminate men, not necessarily gay ones
    have you thought about suicide?

  44. @spanner – do you call the people who get depressed due to homophobia too? do you really think that the people who hear racist abuse just laugh it off? you are such an idiot all-too-often as you ignore how it actually affects people

  45. When I was a kid, we all called black people darkies, we weren’t being racist and they didn’t mind.

    @ Spanner: you weren’t being racist? They didn’t mind?!

    FFS, what planet were/are you living on? Who are you to speak for what other people think of labels they’re given? And you label people because of their skin colour and you’re not racist?!

    I suggest you invest in a dictionary, poor deluded fellow!

  46. I can see why we need to make sure the use of derogatory phrases and words doesn’t become “acceptable” day to day, but I do think this is an exception to that general rule. The sign is a specific reference to the recent court victory, a light hearted comment on a serious issue which is what we are good at in this country. I suppose if it had been a racial victory, the sign would have chosen a similarly “offensive” word for whichever race had been the subject of the case.

    What we have here is someone who finds the whole political correctness thing a bit laughable but also deplores discrimination. That’s obvious, surely? Why are we always so willing to take ourselves so seriously even when someone is clearly on our side?

    In context, the sign is funny. It’s a one-off. It doesn’t belittle our cause or invite the word “poofter” into acceptable public useage because it’s a very specific reference to a very specific victory for us.

    We should be careful not to alienate our allies by refusing to have a sense of humour.

  47. I suppose if it had been a racial victory, the sign would have chosen a similarly “offensive” word for whichever race had been the subject of the case.

    @ Sven, I seriously doubt anyone would put up a sign saying ‘N1ggers welcome’ or ‘Pakis welcome’ if for no other reason than fear of the consequences.

    I take your point that this sign was probably well-meant, but why didn’t the sign just read ‘Gays welcome here’, or even ‘Unmarried gays welcome here’? Would it really have been that much less amusing?

  48. sven

    True wit has no victims.That sign is crass and mocking and is not intended as a welcome for gay couples. Its a laugh at our expense

  49. @Rehan,

    I suppose to be amusing it had to make use of some kind of slur, so he went for the one that generally isn’t considered as offensive as most. It’s a vulgar joke, but it is a joke. The equivalent wouldn’t be “n*ggers”, since that’s always unacceptably offensive, like “f*ggots” I suppose.

    I’d think saying “gays welcome” would just be a statement of policy whereas “poofters welcome” is a jab at the Bulls and at the P.C culture. I thought it was pretty funny.

  50. It amazes me that there are soooo many people on here up-in-arms about using the word ‘poofter’ but then go on to talk about ‘breeders’ as if that’s fine.
    You can’t have it both ways….OK, some of us can but not with language ;-P

  51. It amazes me that there are soooo many people on here up-in-arms about using the word ‘poofter’ but then go on to talk about ‘breeders’ as if that’s fine.

    Oh, do people get called ‘breeder’ as they’re bashed up? I hadn’t realised.

  52. Rehan, you’re right, that was totally unfair of me. LGBT people are the only people who are discriminated against. My ex obviously used to knock me around because I was bi, not because I was a woman who was physically weaker than him. My Christian friend who lived in Pakistan was only beaten up because his wife was probably a man in disguise and not because of his religion and people in third world countries are living in poverty because they’re gay…not because of any other political issues out there.

    Now to be sensible. You cannot scream about the inequality of your situation and then be just as judgemental because you’re on the other side, it’s as stupid as saying ALL Christians hate gay people, ALL blondes are stupid or ALL teenagers wear hoodies. Two wrongs don’t make a right, they just make you look like a tit

  53. @Rachy-Roo

    Rachy-Roo wrote
    “It amazes me that there are soooo many people on here up-in-arms about using the word ‘poofter’ but then go on to talk about ‘breeders’ as if that’s fine.
    You can’t have it both ways….OK, some of us can but not with language”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Rachy-Roo . . . Who on this site is calling Heterosexual people names, by refering to them as breeders?

  54. A Rachy-Roo: you’re missing my point entirely. But if you seriously think ‘poofter’ and ‘breeder’ are equally abusive terms then I fear we’re never going to agree.

    Let’s try again: if the word ‘breeder’ is used when people are being bashed up, please let me know – I’ve never heard of any such instance. The word ‘poofter’, however, is – among many other similarly abusive terms.

  55. @Rachy-Roo wrote

    “Personally, this sounds like a lot of fuss over nothing. This guy is ‘taming the beast’. He’s taken a nasty subject and made light of it and, in doing so, he’s stuck two fingers up at the anti-gay B&B idiots that just got sued.He’s also made a very clever marketing move”

    . . . . . . . . . .

    Rachy-Roo . . . this is a clever marketing move I agree, but I disagree that this is a pro-gay move on the part of the Hotel

    Trip Advisor do not give the Penny Farthing hotel a very good review.

    By drawing attention to the Hotel with the sign “Poofters welcome here” strap line; this is an attempt to drum up business through “bandwagon” publicity surfing. This has nothing to do with challanging PC brigade as your so put it.

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g503849-d580835-Reviews-Penny_Farthing_Hotel-Lyndhurst_New_Forest_Hampshire_England.html

    No where on the hotels website do they advertise that they are gay friendly. I think this highlights how their decision to use the “Poofter” sign, has nothing to do with welcoming gay people; or challanging the recent B&B case

    http://www.pennyfarthinghotel.co.uk/

  56. Aw come on! Do places in the UK really need to say “gay-friendly”? They don’t have an exhaustive list of who can stay there and it would be insane to expect them to. The very fact that they don’t make a big deal of who you are in their official policies is exactly why the “poofters welcome” sign is so obviously a joke. They genuinely don’t care who or what you are and are making fun of people who do with a light hearted gibe.

  57. Homophobia disguised as jibes or light banters. “Pantomime dames” in Parliament, “poofters” in hotels, “shirt lifters” in TV scripts, etc etc etc… normal, everyday currency language. No wonder why that girl who kicked a gay man to death in Trafalgar Square got a very light sentence indeed … the judge must have thought she might have a point after all …

  58. Sven wrote
    “poofters welcome” sign is so obviously a joke.”

    I do not see many people laughing?

  59. Sven wrote

    “I’d think saying “gays welcome” would just be a statement of policy whereas “poofters welcome” is a jab at the Bulls and at the P.C culture. I thought it was pretty funny.

    . . . . . . . . . . .

    I disagree

    According to trip advisor their business is not going very well

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g503849-d580835-Reviews-Penny_Farthing_Hotel-Lyndhurst_New_Forest_Hampshire_England.html

    This appears to have nothing to do with challanging PC culture, but has everything to do with trying to drum up buisness

  60. Har Davids 15 Feb 2011, 2:43pm

    What happened to the famous tongue-in-cheek approach to life? The British practically invented it.

  61. JohnK,

    The way I see it, people not laughing is the problem. It wasn’t intended as an insult, but we insist on being insulted whenever anyone so much as mentions us, even in jest. I really think we need to learn to laugh at ourselves a bit.

  62. If you find a niche in the market do please open a school that teaches the art of self-deprecation. Let us know how it goes

  63. .. and don’t forget to ammend the wikipedia page entry, if you find something new or amusing about the subject …
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-deprecation

  64. … and if your students find themselves short of inspiration, this wikipedia entry could be of some help:
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_homophobia#Internalized_homophobia

  65. “Internalised homophobia” is a myth invented by gay left wing PC types to describe other gay people that think they are a bunch of interfering wankers.

  66. Sven wrote

    “The way I see it, people not laughing is the problem. It wasn’t intended as an insult, but we insist on being insulted whenever anyone so much as mentions us, even in jest. I really think we need to learn to laugh at ourselves a bit.”

    . . . . . . . . . . .

    Sven I agree, that we need to laugh at ourselves from time to time; but only when its funny!

    I thought comedy had moved on, and the word “Poofter” had its day in the 1970s not 2011.

    This stunt to me just whiffs of a desperate attempt for publicty, mainly to support a failing business?
    I am only “Laughing” becasue it is so feeble!

  67. David Myers 16 Feb 2011, 1:57am

    I tend to agree with PaulDG that it would have been funnier and more clearly funny if it had said “poofters and breeders welcome”. Having said that, however, I’m not re-assured of his intentions by the facts that the web-site does not explicitely say they are gay/lesbian friendly, nor that the business is not doing well business-wise. Makes me wonder what their true motivations and politics are.

  68. I’m not sure what country this is coming from but I am from Canada. Gays use a lot of words such as queer. Because we have taken ownership of them. Vancouvers GLBT Community center is called “Qmunity”. It is not the word but how it is used. This was not used to offend. The word Gay was not designed to be a bad word but theter are those who use it that way

  69. reg – “The word Gay was not designed to be a bad word but theter are those who use it that way”

    so you think when ‘straight’ people started calling same sex lovers ‘gay’, they were being nice to us.

    just do a quick wiki search ff’s
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay

    you’ll be saying next that when white people started calling black people c00ns and n1ggas, it was a term of affection.

    “n1ggas welcome”

    “c00ns welcome”

    “b1tches welcome”

    “spazzies welcome”

    How can you lot not find this offensive? – obviously you think of yourselves as poofters.

  70. Patrick O'Gormley 20 Feb 2011, 3:21pm

    I think the use of the word “poofters” was a cynical and clever ploy at not having to deal with gay couples and in one fell swoop ensured that he wouldnt have to turn away a gey couple etc. Has any gay people tried testing his welcome mat. Heres betting his hotel would be suddenly “full” were a gay person or couple attempt to book in for the night.

  71. You can over analyse this and come up with all sorts of reasons why it is “wrong” to have put a derogatory word on a sign like that. It was meant as a joke and some people haven’t found it funny – but it seems to me Mr Sacqui was actually inviting gay people to his establishment. Humour is subjective and even the most seemingly innocent jokes can offend someone. Maybe this wasn’t the best way to send out the message, but I don’t think it was meant as homophobia.
    We should be fighting the people who oppress us – not someone who appears to be on our side.

  72. I had a look on the hotel’s site:

    http://www.pennyfarthinghotel.co.uk/

    and given some of the text on it, for example:

    It is 5-17 am I cannot sleep anymore and hope the following is of benefit and saves the Penny Farthing Hotel and Cottages having an unholy row with friends of your sister as I am sure none of this applies to you as we know you’re a good sort.

    I’m fairly sure the owner’s “poofters welcome” was well intentioned, though possibly misjudged.

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