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  1. Jock S. Trap 11 Feb 2011, 11:48am

    The whole danger is that this is their idea of education. To teach hatred and bigotry against another human being. This from a country that expects help with aid to keep it going.

    I do feel that countries such as the UK that contribute aid, have the right and opportunity to force human rights issues and withdraw aid to those that refuse to make a difference.

    All people in this country have to by law pay tax equally, regardless of if your Gay or Straight. Therefore we should have an equal right to not only say where they aid goes but in some cases as like with Uganda aid comes with strings attached.

    No government in the world has the right to take away any basic human rights and certainly not teach that certain groups should be murdered.

    There has to be a time when just speaking out is not enough especially where our money goes to aid for that country. Action has to take over and people have to be expected to be treated equally.

  2. I’m glad Scott Mills got some footage of the US evangelist nutjob from Atlanta… it prevents those right wing evangelical wingnuts from washing their hands of the resulting bloodshed and should be played back at them whenever they act like they’re only working in our best interests.
    This falls neatly into what John Stuart Mill refered to in his “harm” principle.

  3. i need to watch this doco!

  4. Jock

    Agreed, we shouldn’t be seen to be funding states that violate human rights (and not even just LGBT rights). Though of course, the question is whether we should let them starve. Is staying alive more important than being free to be gay? It does raise a few ethical questions.

  5. Jock S. Trap 11 Feb 2011, 12:37pm

    “Is staying alive more important than being free to be gay?”

    I dunno, maybe you should ask those who have been murdered, tortured, abused, bullied and now with the possiblity of being hanged for being Gay. Lets no forget it’s not just those who are Gay/Lesbian it’s also those who are suspected of being Gay/Lesbian.

    Lets face it if countries withdrew aid I have no doubt the foreign preachers of hate would disappear showing they had little more interest in the country than corrupting all those they could.

    Basic human rights include being treated equally.

    Though to be honest after reading you previous bigotted comments on other threads I’m surprised you don’t just see them as ‘playing the victim’. Well if they will be Gay in Uganda eh mmmm…?

  6. Jock

    ““Is staying alive more important than being free to be gay?”

    “I dunno, maybe you should ask those who have been murdered, tortured, abused, bullied and now with the possiblity of being hanged for being Gay.”

    I mean FOOD. And you know I do. A gay person has to have food to stay alive too, remember.

    “Lets no forget it’s not just those who are Gay/Lesbian it’s also those who are suspected of being Gay/Lesbian.”

    I didn’t say anything to the contrary.

    “Lets face it if countries withdrew aid I have no doubt the foreign preachers of hate would disappear showing they had little more interest in the country than corrupting all those they could.”

    I disagree, they’d just capitalise on it through missionary work. Even if they did leave, the homophobia is in the system, it’s too late. Ugandans aren’t going to undo it by themselves. The lack of education immediately puts a stop to that.

    “Though to be honest after reading you previous bigotted comments on other threads I’m surprised you don’t just see them as ‘playing the victim’. Well if they will be Gay in Uganda eh mmmm…?”

    Sorry I don’t fit into the ‘bigotted’ box as snugly as you’d like. You’ll just have to find other obscure unfounded reasons to justify your dislike of me. Ugandans have no rights as gay people, that is different to here. But we make things worse for ourselves with some of our practices. One is legal equality, one is subjective behaviour. Don’t confuse the two.

    The scaremongerers on here would do well to note, while playing their unjustified victim cards, that these Ugandans are living the very reality the scaremongerers are trying to portray for the UK. You want to see real victims? Go to Uganda where you have no legal route to challenge homophobia in all its forms.

  7. I am glad he wasn’t hurt, but he is obviously stupid to be surprised that his life was in danger. As a journalist he should have known better and his employer the BBC should not even have agreed to send him there. But then the BBC has no idea what homophobia is so why expect any sense from them.

    Would they send a black journalist to interview the Klu Klux Klan?

    Uganda is a failed state ruled by primitive religious beliefs not challenged by their primitive Anglican leaders in this country or by their primitive pope.

  8. Twitless

    So what, we should let it get away with such crimes against humanity? It may not have been sensible to send a gay man there, but he agreed, he’s a bg boy who can make his own decisions. Stephen K Amos went to Jamaica for the same kind of programme. It takes a few brave individuals to do such a thing and I personally applaud him going there. Moreover, as distasteful as it may seem, if he had been killed out there, the attention generated would have forced the international community to speak out on the subject more than it’s currently doing. Not ideal, but a sign of the state of play.

  9. Mumbo Jumbo 11 Feb 2011, 1:36pm

    It’s odd that it’s taken a Radio 1 DJ and BBC 3 to do what Panorama and BBC 1 should have done a long while back (and which Dispatches on Channel 4 has already done with honours).

  10. I read one report saying Scott didn’t know it was going to be so bad. If that’s true I’m surprised he didn’t research it. I found out via Pinknews.

  11. Twitless, Primitive, eh? You might want to think long and hard about what makes Ugandans so “Primitive” in your eyes and why that might be the case. Geeze, I don’t know maybe colonialism and cultural imperialism has a hell of a lot to do with the state of many African countries and why Christianity is so popular?

    Let’s please get off our high horses and remember that gays, lesbians, bisexual and (OH WE FORGOT) trans people still die by the hands of us supposed equality loving Westerners. And trans people have to deal with ignorance and transphobia within the GAY community. So let’s not act like we’re in any position to judge other countries, especially when we had a hand in the reasons for their homophobia.

    I’m not saying I condone what’s going on in Uganda. But what I don’t condone is this attitude that Westerners have the right to judge and tell other countries how they should behave, when that’s what’s caused so many damn problems in the first place.

    1. I agree we caused the problems in the first place but surely we can’t stand by and watch 1000’s of gay men and women be needlessly tormented and killed

  12. Pointless you’d get the same or worse reaction if 2 men kissed each other friday night on any high street. Lets not forget there was no analysis when these men were murdered

  13. George Broadhead 11 Feb 2011, 2:37pm

    “The film crew also saw first-hand the influence Western preachers have on anti-gay sentiment in Uganda.

    “It’s all wrapped up in Christianity and evangelicalism,” Mills said. “And Americans come over to preach. We went to a sermon and saw a guy from Atlanta preaching gay hate.”

    No doubt this is the case, but what about the homophobic stance taken by the indigenous Anglican Church of Uganda?

  14. Terrible, what happens when evangelical groups start planting churches everywhere all spreading the same hatred of gay men and lesbian women, religious zealots taking their hateful religious beliefs with them into Government to form legislation.

    “Dedicating the Nation of Uganda to the purposes of Jesus Christ” as they say and “Covenanting Uganda to God” creating holocaust conditions there for gay men and for lesbian women.

    Evangelicals bearing false witness against gay men and lesbian women defaming them so that they are seen as less than human and to make it appear acceptable to torment, torture, imprison and murder them.

    It illustrates how Christian evangelicals have now so perverted their religion that a pathological anti-gay hatred is commonplace and official, killing and murder is the result, it’s a new Christian inquisition, Uganda on the brink of an anti-gay holocaust.
    Still sitting on the fence Rowan Williams? Where is your moral authority?

  15. Lola
    I was very careful about what I wrote. Please re-read it. I never called Uganda or it’s people primitive. I very carefully used the word 3 times to decribe primitive religious beliefs in Uganda in England and the Catholic church.

    No colonial attitude there then, but probably just what you expected or wanted to hear. I actually described Uganda as a failed state. Which it is.

  16. it shows how evil the christian homophobes actually are that they teach others the same damned hatreds and lies, I am surprised that Rowan or others haven’t stuck their nose in to say they support this evil
    @mmmmmmmm – just cos others are very homophobic doesn’t detract from UK people’s experience of homophobia or make it any less vile

  17. Chester

    “@mmmmmmmm – just cos others are very homophobic doesn’t detract from UK people’s experience of homophobia or make it any less vile”

    Individual cases of homophobia are no less vile than others, regardless of where they take place. But it is stupid to imply that homophobia is as widespread in the UK as it is in Uganda. Like everyone else who has tried, I would urge you to think twice about what damage such fictitious statements can do.

    1. I don’t think anyone has ever tried to make that claim and if they had there would be a million people jumping on them for there stupidity but it is still possible that homophobia is still about and not only about but on the rise in the UK yes not as bad as there but still any homophobia in these modern times is terrible

  18. What DID he expect? Places like that don’t even resemble what we know as “human” as far as I’m concerned. There is no humanity. They are a bunch of uneducated savages wallowing in their own terrible political and social problems to even begin the long arduous journey of equality. Nothing is likely to change in the next 100 years I expect. It WILL change, but of its own accord, not from our opinions, documentaries or interference. Simple as that.

  19. I agree that they are savages.

    They are primitive on so many issues, not just about homosexuality and the matter of gay rights.

  20. They are not savages although the greater number probably are uneducated due to poverty.

    What will probably happen is what normally happens in these extreme circumstances. The educated will leave, making it more extreme and the society will break down even more. A vicious circle.

    It happened in Uganda when Amin threw out the Asian community. It took the country 30 years to recover and then not fully.

  21. Chris

    You shouldn’t brand the people of Uganda as being the same as their government. They are poor, lack education and are highly influenced by religion and old tribal storied. That isn’t their fault, they can’t help how they’ve grown up. Their homophobia is a product of their rulers, not them as individuals. Until their rulers change attitudes, nothing can be done for the Ugandan people.

    They are all victims in one way or another, but labelling them savages is just crass.

  22. Savages – you know, that’s exactly what the colonialists 100 or so years ago thought of them, and why they went over there to “civilise” them, and why they planted churches and converted all these countries to Christianity – oh, and guess what? That’s why Uganda hates gay people now. Because of the religious attitude which our country imposed on them.

    So Lola, when you say, “but what I don’t condone is this attitude that Westerners have the right to judge and tell other countries how they should behave” – I disagree; it’s our mess, we should at least try and help to get them out of it.

    As for those calling the presenter stupid or saying that he should have known or not gone – well it’s a shame he had to, really. This should have been done to death already, and it’s a shame he had to be the one who cared enough to go over there and do it. He’s a brave man.

  23. A few things to bear in mind when talking about Africa. Firstly the influence of the colonial powers has not been benign. Belgium’s shocking record is documented in Neal Ascherson’s ‘The King Incorporated: Leopold the Second and the Congo’. The record of other nations is hardly better. Secondly, Africa is a terribly hostile environment. Jared Diamond talks about the impact of this in ‘Guns, Germs, and Steel’. I guess thirdly, as a result, it is also a very poor place. I kind of expect some of the worst aspects of human nature to be more common as a consequence.

    Slightly off-topic David Kato’s obituary in The Economist appeared to-day:

    A very impressive man.

  24. Secondly, Africa is a terribly hostile environment.

    You really shouldn’t make such sweeping generalisations. Africa is a CONTINENT, in many fertile parts of which people have managed to live lives of comfort for millennia.

  25. Its no joke 11 Feb 2011, 6:44pm

    Looking forward to seeing this doc. Hopefully will highlight not just the homophobia in Uganda, but the homophobia of the majority of African nations.

    For those who think colonialism is the reason why African’s are so homophobic. Does that also mean everything that is good about Africa is also the ‘fault’ of ‘white’ colonialists?

    Africa needs to take responsibility for its own actions.

  26. It is darkly ironic to hear African people saying that homosexuality is a “western” import, and doesn’t fit with their traditional African christianity and family values, when the exact opposite is the case.

    christianity is not a religion of African origin. It arose in the Middle East and acquired its unique character in Greek and Roman antiquity. Some early christian thinkers, such as Augustine, were from the North African provinces of the Roman Empire, but the cultural roots of christian thought are entirely Middle Eastern and European in origin. There most certainly is nothing connecting it to sub-saharan Africa, which is where Uganda lies.

    So, not only is christian homophobia an alien, “western” cultural form, it was imposed on Africans from outside by successive waves of colonial oppressors, most recently and most powerfully by European missionaries in the nineteenth century. Though that’s not living memory anymore, so perhaps they can be forgiven for not realising this. But it didn’t stop then. In fact these noxious American evangelicals are right here in Uganda today, blatant and obvious and celebrated, IMPOSING WESTERN CULTURAL VALUES ON AFRICAN POPULATIONS! It’s going on right in front of their very eyes, and yet they still believe that it’s inherently “African” to be homophobic and inherently “Western” to be tolerant and liberal.

  27. Harry, thanks for sharing that link.

  28. I’d much rather be hearing from some actual Gay Ugandans

  29. The racism displayed on this thread is exactly why white western LGB campaigners need to stay tf away from developing countries, stop trying to impose their own ideas, and support the native campaigners instead.

  30. The only reason this is international news is to reinforce racist and homophobic prejudices. Gay men are murdered in the uk about every 6 months. guy called olly was crippled in east London and he’s already forgotten. We don’t care enough about what’s happening in our own country but were ready to protest about other countries.

    1. Actually the reason this is this is international news is because they have an entire country with not one person who is straight who can say something nice about being gay or even accept its not the worst thing in the world. aswell as the fact that one of us gets beat up there’s a police inquest and hopefully though admittedly not always justice when it happens to one of them usually the rest of the town joins in

  31. I look forward to this documentary. Perhaps that’s the wrong way to put it. However.I feel that as informative and heartfelt this is going ot appear, it may have served LGBT Ugandans interests more if a conservative such as John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, made it. Or perhaps David Davis MP…

    Certainly it would most likely have had a greater political impact.

    Regardless, if we are to hold our heads high as a moral nation, then our funding and support to Ugandan organisations etc. should be looked at and pressure brought to bear on them.

  32. Why does defending gay human rights have to be a race issue?
    Are we really that far up our collective culturally relativist asses that any homophobe with different skin tone is de-facto immune from any accusation of homophobia?
    That sounds racist to me.
    I have the same opinion about white homophobes as I have about black homophobes as I have about homophobes that landed from Mars on an intergalactic gaybashing daytrip.
    They are all homophobes and none should get a free pass because they belong to any special ethnic or cultural group.
    Race shouldn’t even come into the equation.
    Regretably for Uganda, homophobia has become so endemic that the authorities, police and clergy are all complicit in it.
    If the cap fits, wear it.

  33. @Lola, there is no defence for the backwards and yes primitive attitudes towards homosexuality expressed in Uganda. It seems that you are simply one of those sad people who insist on aligning blame where it does not belong.

    We absolutely should be interfering in countries that have decided that genocide should be written into their laws. Firstly, we should place sanctions including, but not limited to ceasing all aid to Uganda from the UK and Europe.

    These backward genocidal Ugandans have no place in any civilised global society and must take responsibility for their own bad decisions and not blame every stupid thing they do on history!

  34. jj896

    You are conflating racism with rational, justified, empiricism-based criticism of Ugandan political ideology and culture. Perhaps you need to learn that race and ideology are not the same thing.

    Skin colour is irrelevant, it’s the values that are the problem. I think you just want to look a bit holier than thou, don’t you.

  35. @James, the reason this is in the news is to bring to the attention of the world the genocide that is billed for legalisation in a country called Uganda. To internationally vilify all Ugandans and non Ugandans who agree with this proposed genocide is not racist in the slightest.

    It is also important to note that supporting the rights of the LGBT community in less progressive countries does not mean people cease to protest and petition for true equality in the UK. Whilst there is still some way to go before homophobia is eradicated in the UK and full equality is achieved, the situation is not really comparable.

    The proposed genocidal legislation in Uganda is abhorrent and no decent civilised person could possibly counter that statement.

  36. The Heretic Philosopher 12 Feb 2011, 7:21pm

    Interesting dialogue still going on on this thread. Lots of really nasty anti-gay comments being made.

  37. The Heretic Philosopher 12 Feb 2011, 9:35pm

    And as for your brother, he probably wasn’t raised to think any differently was he.

  38. James! “Gay men are murdered in the uk about every 6 months…. We don’t care enough about what’s happening in our own country but were ready to protest about other countries.”

    The usual sweeping fcukwit statements from James!
    The difference is, the murder of gay men over here is not officially endorsed, or even encouraged, by the government and the police.

  39. The Heretic Philosopher 13 Feb 2011, 12:23am

    Above comment is on wrong thread

  40. The Heretic Philosopher 13 Feb 2011, 12:28am

    my comment that is

  41. The one thing worse than savages
    Murdering gay people are educated informed people murdering gay people

  42. To the tool

    A murderer gets 2.5 years for killing Ian Baynham and it’s treated as manslaughter not murder kill a gay person in the uk you get a light sentence. So killing gay men is endorsed

  43. James!

    Stop making everything gay-centric! If you kill anyone in the UK you’ll get a light sentence. There are gripes about light sentences from theft to murder in the UK, it’s not just homophobic crime.

    You always have to exaggerate EVERYTHING!

  44. TheSuburbanBi 13 Feb 2011, 10:37pm

    I’m always amazed at the amount of casual racism that is expressed on the pinknews threads…. for those throwing around the word ‘savages’ and patting yourselves on the back for it: please remember that the gay people on the receiving end of the brutal attitudes and treatment of LGBTI people in Uganda are also Ugandans — they are trying to root out the homophobia and hatred in their country and I doubt they would appreciate the wholesale denegration of their nation or continent as just a batch of savages. And before the defenses are floated that ‘oh but I was only talking about some of them not all of them’ please note the sweeping declarations above that basically lump all together.

    I’ve been in contact with lesbian and bi activists in Uganda and South Africa over the past few months and am horrified at what is happening to them but also amazed at how steadfast they are and how bravely they are fighting on. They may need to duck for cover from time to time, when the situation on the ground is so intensely dangerous, but they will never give up. We have to focus on ways we here can help (pressuring our govts re aid for example) rather than just give in to impotent rants and name calling.

  45. What some of these gay people don’t realise is that news of their racism has reached the straight community. What was hidden in the 80’s and 90’s is here for all to see

  46. If it was a predominantly African or Asian area, then I would be careful on many grounds. To hell with political correctness, any sane gay man knows where the greaest dangers lie

    Skin colour is irrelevant, it’s the values that are the problem. I think you just want to look a bit holier than thou, don’t you.

    both quotes from mmmmm

  47. Guessed the race card would be played to try and gag any reasonable debate in the primitive, savagery being supported by most ugandans in the genocide of lgbt.colonisation is responsible for corrupting these people with evil christianity but this is still not an excuse for the inhumane barbarism of homophobia purported. Apologist Ugandans need to evolve and stop blaming the past.

  48. Dominic Davies 15 Feb 2011, 11:57am

    This documentary should be essential viewing by MP’s and Immigration Judges and UKBA staff as part of their induction or CPD training.

    The fact that they keep wanting to return LGBT Ugandans is quite terrifying.

    This is an area of work I and some colleagues have had direct experience in and the the Reparative Therapists have blood on their hands in the name of their Christian god.

  49. Did anyone watch the same programme I did? It was terrible. I was embarrassed for Mr Mills and the BBC for broadcasting it.

    Whilst the situation in Uganda is shocking and appalling, I don’t think Mr Mills did the situation any justice. Seemed to be summed up by his comments at the end: how terrible it all was, how lucky he was to live in the UK – and, by implication, to be leaving Uganda.

    Didn’t anyone feel he was patronising regarding the poor living conditions in one part of Uganda? How many (straight or gay) people live in such conditions in Uganda (or any other part of the developing world)? How seriously did he take the witch-doctor ‘treatment’ (part of their culture as I understand it)? No context. Just there to show us how “mediaeval” Uganda is?

    No serious analysis of the religious context of the homophobia in Uganda. No challenge to Ugandans that their original culture might be more accepting of homosexuality. Of course it’s shocking – but not unexpected from fundamentalist Christians; they believe in the word of God of the Bible, what else are they going say about gay men and women? Such simplistic, naive interviewing. Questioning the church might have been a little too controversial for BBC3?

    As homophobia is so entrenched in Uganda, is a straw-poll of Ugandans on the street going to get anything other than the responses recorded? They filmed in a gay (-friendly) bar – it didn’t seem secret or hidden – perhaps tolerated? An inconvenient fact perhaps?

    Action should be taken to politically and economically towards Uganda but I don’t think this programme provided any intelligent analysis. Great for the right-on Mr Mills perhaps and some imagined target ‘yoof’ audience?

    1. I’d say he was a good man with good intentions doing his best to highlight a very evil truth. However, I did find myself cringing a lot at him and I must admit I shuddered when he debated with the homophobic people. Nice guy but he didn’t really deliver a good pro homosexuality arguement.When you’re in a place like that where you can be beaten or murdered for just being who you are it must be hard to keep your mind focused on the debate.

    2. I fully agree with Derek and Alan on this. While I appreciate the effort Mr Mills made and his honest attempts to report on the situation, he was very badly prepared for the homophobic rhetoric he encountered. Some examples: he failed to make the point to the preacher that gay/lesbian/bi/trans people can also form relationships based on love and deep affection and not solely on sex, although it is their prerogative to have sex only as well. But he fell right into the preacher’s trap by saying that he had lots of sex with a lot of men – therefore providing an opportunity for the preacher to categorize gay people as being uniquely run by their “animal instincts”. Furthermore when talking to the homophobic member of parliament, Mr Mills never asked the important questions: “They are basing their views on the Bible and saying it is the traditional African view, yet Christianity is a western system of belief introduced by colonialism so how can they claim this is an ‘african’ view?”…

  50. Well, I for one thought it was a brilliant documentary. It explored the issues well and I quite liked the informal style which made it enjoyable without being dumbed down.

    @twitless: “Would they send a black journalist to interview the Klu Klux Klan?”

    Why not? It’s good practice for an interviewer to air the opposing point of view. A ‘devil’s advocate’ stance can help to provide balance, and at least it forces the bigots to defend their views face to face rather than have the luxury of attacking us almost unchallenged.

    The only reason to hold back would be out of consideration to the black journalist, but Scott elected to go and proved to be a very good choice.

    @Jim: “I’m surprised he didn’t research it.” Why should he have pre-judged it from others’ opinions rather than have gone along and formed his own opinions first hand? An open mind and direct experience is better than prejudice. He obviously knew the general background but was rightly disappointed to find hatred so ingrained among young people.

    @jj896@ There were many gay Ugandans ! Did you watch the programme?

    @Derek R: I watched the same programme, and if I’d had police trying to find my hotel to beat me up I’d certainly be grateful that things are a lot better in the UK (although there’s still a lot to be done). I’d certainly breathe a sigh of relief returning to a much safer environment and I’d resolve not to take so much for granted.

    I’m not your ‘yoof’ audience (in fact, I’ve not even heard Scott on R1) but he’s a good role model and we should be offering our congratulations instead of whinging.

  51. i agree gerry. it was a good documentary. i think poor Derek R’s got some issues with scott mills.
    Scott’s been talking about this all week on the radio. it’s a good thing that he has done this – for both the ugandan gay community, and the UK gay community – and it won’t have done anything for his career.

  52. I was moved by this documentary.

    While I share a number of the core beliefs of some of the Christians driving this anti gay agenda (which I agree is often homophobic), I am ashamed at some of their attitudes and actions in the name of religion.

  53. Gay Daily Mail Reader 20 Feb 2011, 5:00pm

    No doubt Uganda will be coming cap in hand to us for foreign aid on Red Nose Day, March 19th. I think we should give them a bloody red nose instead! Fair enough if they do not want our western influences and lifestyles I’m sure they don’t want out money either. Time for the Red Cross, Oxfam, Medicence San Frontiers and other to pull out and let them racist homophobes stand on their own two feet!

  54. They may not be doing anything else right, but hey they have the right idea about hating gays. If only the US, with all its modern wonders, could hate gays on the level of Uganda, it would be paradise.

    1. Your pathetic, why are you on gay site? Troll!! Clearly your a self-hating… how would it be paradise if everyone is hating on you??

  55. “They think it was brought in by the West.”

    Let me provide something from a reading within my biological anthropology class to clarify that this statement is untrue. While the majority of the west (or at least I’d like to think so) is open minded and accepts homosexuality, it does not mean that homosexuality began in the west or was ‘brought in’ by the west to other countries. In the west, homosexuality is a visible part of our society, which is why it is easier for them to place the finger of blame towards the US for ‘promoting’ homosexuality.

    OK now for the excerpt from my reading to support this:

    “Consider the Sambia of New Guinea, described by Gilbert Herdt in ‘Guardians of the Flutes.’ They belong to a group of cultures in which homosexual practices are actually required of boys for several years are rites of passage into adulthood. After adolescence, the young men abandon homosexual practices, marry women, father children and continue as heterosexuals for the rest of their lives.

    “The lesson is threefold: first, a culture can make such a rule and get every person to conform; second, years of obligatory homosexuality apparently do not commit the average man to a lifetime of homo-erotic desires. The third lesson may be drawn from the life of Kalutwo, a Sambia. He grew up stigmatized as the illegitimate son of an older widow and had no contact with his father. He showed unacceptably strong homo-erotic attachments. and never adjusted to a heterosexual relationship, having four marriages without issue -possibly unconsummated- by his mid-30’s. According to Herdt and the psychoanalyst Rober Stoller, Kalutwo would have been homosexual anywhere.

    “The conclusion is reasonable. In every population, some men- most estimates say 5 to 10 percent- are drawn to homo-erotic pursuits, whether they are punished, allowed or required. The percentage of strongly homo-erotic women is generally estimated to be smaller, through in bisexuality women are said to outnumber men. But it should be remembered, definitions vary, and biases in such estimates are inevitable.

    _(here is the important part from all of this!!!!)_

    “Some homosexuality was said to be present in all of 76 societies examined in one cross-cultural study, including the Tahitians, the Mojave Indians and a number of Amazonian tribes. In 48 (64 percent), it was condoned; in no society was it the dominant mode. Thus, all the societies has homosexuality, and the majority accepted its inevitability.”


  56. Oh and a little bit about the Bonobo monkeys.

    “Like humans but unlike chimps and most other animals, bonobos separate sex from reproduction. They seem to treat sex as a pleasurable activity, and they rely on it as a sort of social glue, to make or break all sorts of relationships. ‘Ancestral humans behaved like this,’ [..Which may or may not be true, this theory still needs scientific evidence..] proposes Frans de Waal, an ethologist at the Yerkes Regional Primate Research Center at Emory University. “Later, when we developed the family system, the use of sex for this sort of purpose became more limited, mainly occurring within families. A lot of the things we see, like pedophilia and homosexuality, may be leftovers that some now consider unacceptable in our particular society.”

    Depending on your morals, watching bonobo sex play may be like watching humans at their most extreme and perverse. Bonobos seem to have sex more often and in more combinations than the average person in any culture, and most of the time bonobo sex has nothing to do with making babies. Males mount females and females sometimes mount them back; females rub against other females just for fun; males stand rump to rump and press their scrotal areas together. Even juveniles participate by rubbing their genital areas against adults, although ethologists don’t think that males actually insert their penises into juvenile females. Very young animals also have sex with each other: little males suck on each other’s penises or French-kiss. When two animals initiate sex, others freely join in by poking their fingers and toes into the moving parts.”

    Silly erotic monkeys! ^_^

  57. stupid people! did he think he was going to change the homophobic nature of Ugandans because hes from the western world?

  58. Uganda export coffee, fish and fish products, tea; gold, cotton, flowers, horticultural products. I know I will be checking where any of these goods i might buy are source. If there is any from Uganda, I will make it known to the retailer why I will not buy it.

  59. Christian Catholics here in America are spending millions to stop the gays in Africa and around the world. Catholics see gays as their enemy. They do not see pedophile priest as their enemy, even though they rape and destroy their children. Catholics need to be send to prison for their crimes.

  60. ooh! Scott Mills is gay, mmm!

  61. amber rose 11 Apr 2011, 9:58pm

    wow i was shocked when i saw that! i think its so wrong what they are doing i do belive that you are born gay.. theres nothing wrong with that most of my friends are gay! BUT they tryd to change ppl for who they are when shouldnt it be down to the person them selfs to decide what they want….:( i think ur a very amazing guy scott for going there an doing that x amber

  62. The Horned One 19 Oct 2011, 7:20pm

    It shows that there’s a long cultural battle ahead. It’s not going to get any shorter unless we recognising who has been importing this hatred into Uganda. So there’s a two-front battle, one in America against the evangelicals there and another against those they have influenced in Uganda. But we’ll win it in the end, though the suffering meanwhile is going to be horrendous.

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