How long are we going to stand back and allow this to happen? What must it take for us to organise ourselves and fight back?
Shocking and awful news. I’m lost for words at the moment.
Except – how vile a comment this is:
“Giles Muhame, the editor of Rolling Stone, told Reuters he condemned the murder but still wanted the government to hang gay people”
So legalised murder for absolutely no reason is fine then. Nasty, homophobic piece of sh*t.
Giles Muhame, the editor of Rolling Stone, said: “…. We want the government to hang people who promote homosexuality, not for the public to attack them. We said they should be hanged, not stoned or attacked.”
Oh, that would be all right then, would it?
I want Giles Muhame to be imprisoned. His actions have directly led to David Kato’s death.
Unless Muhame is arrested and charged, and unless Uganda takes immediatle steps to decriminalise homosexuality then Uganda is stating clearly that it is a genocidal nation.
In which case all aid and trade with Uganda must stop.
Why is Uganda in the Commonwealth.
What action is being taken to expel them?
“Giles Muhame, the editor of Rolling Stone, told Reuters he condemned the murder but still wanted the government to hang gay people.”
How is that different?
I have to echo Iris’s words. This is indeed shocking and awful. A sad day for Humanity. Lets hope that in his memory all will continue to push for a better and fairer society.
Why is it these people can’t see that it’s them that are evil. We all know the likes of Stephen Green and David Skinner would like this kind of murder back in the UK, to have the power to deny others the right to life.
Those who support this should be thoroughly ashamed to call themselves Christians at all. They represent everything that is bad in this world.
I’m pretty sure even through God, that all humans were supposed to get along and co-habitate. Not go along life cherry picking who has the right to life and who doesn’t.
It seems strange this happened just days after Ban Ki Moon, UN Secretary-General sent a clear message on LGBT human rights.
My feeling is the Ugandan state killed David Kato and is sending a out a message. Its upto to William Hague to cut UK aid to Uganda until it improves its human rights record. No human rights for LGBT people no aid money.
Ban Ki Moon, UN Secretary-General’s remarks to the Human Rights Council 25 January 2011
We must reject persecution of people because of their sexual orientation or gender identity, who may be arrested, detained or executed for being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.
They may not have popular or political support, but they deserve our support in safeguarding their fundamental human rights.
I understand that sexual orientation and gender identity raise sensitive cultural issues. But cultural practice can not justify any violation of human rights.
Women’s treatment as second-class citizens has been justified, at times, as a “cultural practice.” So has institutional racism and other forms of inhuman punishment.
But that is merely an excuse. When our fellow humans are persecuted because of their sexual orientation or gender identity, we must speak out.
That is what I am doing here, that is my consistent position.
RIP David Kato and condolesces to your family.
Fanny Anne Eddy was also brave enough to stand up and fight in such hostile countries.
You will always be remembered
> You will always be remembered
Sadly, I doubt this.
I rather suspect that little blonde thug in the other main news article may serve a longer sentence under the inadequate British legal system than the murderers of this man under the appalling Ugandan system. He’s one less problem for the government.
You dumb cu*t I hope you get c@ncer
“There has been a lot of crime, it may not be because he is gay. We want the government to hang people who promote homosexuality, not for the public to attack them. We said they should be hanged, not stoned or attacked.”
What an incredibly evil thing to say. This ´man´ should be imprisoned for incitement to hatred and murder.
RIP David Kato and condolesces to your family. I know that others will only be spurred on by what has happened. Such is the human nature when faced with inequality and evil.
I say again though. This barbaric society have no place in the Commonwealth of nations. The maximum international pressure must be brought to bear.. Financial pressure is the only thing these animals in government understand.
That is clearly true because without the international pressure applied to them last year, the ´hang the gays´ legislation would have been passed and that is what they would have been doing now…
Pink News you better start a campaign in the same way you had a go at the BBc for giving that green muppet air time
The BBC are asking people in Uganda to send in their reactions to this incident and selection of comments will be published.
Asking an overwhelmingly and murderously homophobic nation whether murdering LGBT people is a good thing or not? Will the BBC ever learn?
Brenda Namigadde petition is here http://www.allout.org/en/brenda Over 2000 signatures already
Uganda shouldn’t be kicked out of the commonwealth. Direct rule from Westminster should be introduced. Get rid of the foul government. Disband the corrupt police and army and start again. Give them back independence when they can be trusted with it. Then do the same with Kenya and Zimbabwe.
Kenya is not the same as Uganda. See http://madikazemi.blogspot.com/2011/01/gays-in-kenya-causing-quiet-revolution.html
Well done Paul.
All blacks are the same to these filthy racists
“Direct rule from Westminster should be introduced. Get rid of the foul government. ”
Don’t be ridiculous.
Britain should have NOTHING to do with that foul, backward, savage nation.
Notice that it was NOT the government, army or polce who killed Kato./
It was members of the public.
The savage homophobia espoused by Bahati, Muhame etc mirrors the homophobia of the vast majority of Ugandans.
All aid and trade with Uganda needs to be cut.
They need to be kicked out of the Commonwealth.
If you donate money to Uganda then check that it ONLY goes to organisatuons which have a clear anti-homophobia record. if they don’t stop donating.
Uganda is a failed nation, with a failed government. As a country Britain should have NOTHING to do with Uganda.
Yeah David there are no decent people in uganda
Rolling Stone uganda is also funded by american christian churches. what you racist pigs go to say about that?
James! tries to turn a story about homophobia in Africa into racism on pink news again.
U R A clown.
@ James! – when are you going to get it into your thick little brain that Africa is the most homophobic continent on the planet?
“David there are no decent people in uganda”
They’re not ALL ignorant bigots but the majority of them are. Uganda is a deeply homophobic society.
“Rolling Stone uganda is also funded by american christian churches. what you racist pigs go to say about that?”
I would says that Uganda is responsible for its own savage homophobia and that you playing the pathetic race card (or blaming the American churches) simply allows Uganda to get away with genocidal homophobia.
It is also inappropriate to blame colonialism for Uganda’s homophobic savagery. Other colonised countries like India were able to throw away the colonial homophobic laws. Uganda kept them (and want to make them even more evil) because their society agrees with those laws.
It is not racist to call Uganda a savage, ignorant, bigotted nation.
It is a statement of fact.
Britain should cut all aid and trade to Uganda.
White evangelicals have taken their corrupt “traditional family values” racket to Africa and hit paydirt. Over the past several months, Uganda’s terrorist anti-Homosexual Bill has been exposed as not just a symbol of African homophobia but a symptom of American evangelical influence-peddling
Exporting Homophobia: American far-right conservative churches establish influence on anti-gay policy in Africa
Gay Ugandans face daily fear for their lives
“White evangelicals have taken their corrupt “traditional family values” racket to Africa and hit paydirt. Over the past several months, Uganda’s terrorist anti-Homosexual Bill has been exposed as not just a symbol of African homophobia but a symptom of American evangelical influence-peddling”
Effectively you are absolving Uganda of all responsbility of its savage bigotry.
That is truily monstrous of you.
“David is gone and many of us will follow, but the struggle will be won.”
Brave and chilling words. But in the 21st century LGBT people should not have to brace themselves for martyrdom because there are people and organisations unwilling to recognise human rights for all.
I am glad the UN is finally getting it’s act together on this (or at least the Sec’y General is calling for it):
“We must reject persecution of people because of their sexual orientation or gender identity ? who may be arrested, detained or executed for being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.
“They may not have popular or political support, but they deserve our support in safeguarding their fundamental human rights.”
But we must move beyond words of support and comfort to action, sanctions, political pressure… no more martyrs.
“American far-right conservative churches establish influence on anti-gay policy in Africa
Gay Ugandans face daily fear for their lives”
Gay Ugandans fear for their lives, at the hands of their savagely bigotted countrymen. They do not fear the US churches.
James – what do you think Britain should do in response to this.
I presume you agree that all trade and aid to Uganda should stop?
kenya is amessed up country for other reasons. gay issues are not the nly problems inthese countries.
i said direct rule because it would actually be an actualeffort to dosomehing. what do they care about the commonwealth? in or out thy’d be the same. something real needs to be dne, not jus words of condemnationwhichtheywill ignore.
Yes, these words particularly are deeply chilling. We hear them today in the same way that the Jews of Europe heard the first intimations of the Holocaust.
David answer my question first you reckon “Gay Ugandans fear for their lives, at the hands of their savagely bigotted countrymen. They do not fear the US churches”
So US chruches have no influence in your opinion? Gay people have been in Uganda for eternity only now they’re being hunted like animals why is that David?
We need to take more control of the aid we give to Uganda. Make sure it only goes to organisations that support ALL human rights.
@ James – If the people in Uganda want to listen to bigoted churches that’s their responsibility. Don’t blame America for Uganda’s long history of homophobia. It is Ugandan’s who killed this man. It is Ugandan’s who run the paper that called for these murders. It is Ugandan’s who vote for the political party who put the homophobic laws into place.
I mean why stop at blaming the churches in America, why not go further back and say that the bigoted churches in America are due to the puritans migrating to the USA from Europe, and they were bigoted because of christian Rome’s infulence, and they were bigoted because of christians from Palestine who tried to convert Europe from their pagan roots, and they were bigoted because they were jewish converts, and they were bigoted because eve ate the apple from the tree of knowledge. I’m surprised you’ve not blamed the British colonists, that’s the usual get out clause for Africa when explaining it’s bigotry.
When do you think Africa should start accepting repsonibility for it’s homohphobia James!, or do you think the people of Africa are so retarded that they shouldn’t be blamed for their actions? Are you seriously saying that Ugandan’s are idiots who America can convince to do anything?
What a joke.
I’m not wasting my time with your elementary arguments so ignore my future comments
Maybe someone should do the same to Giles Muhame. I think
that’s the right way to act, is not it?
I am sure that with this kind of dialogue we could have a healthy coexistence with heterosexuals.
I really think this language they would understand perfectly.
And of course I condemn violence and blablablablahh …
Sorry for my bad English, but my parents are straight, and I may have inherited some of their degenerate genes and therefore I have difficulty learning languages.
Oh!, I forgot:
James!, If you are a homophobic pig, do not try to hide the ugly homophobia in Africa. A homophobic bastard ALWAYS IS a homophobic bastard, white or black.
Wasting time? Or you know you are wrong but can’t admit it?
The only people to blame for this are those that killed this man and those whom would advocate it and moreso.
There is little that gay men and women can do in such a homophobic nation. They hide and they fight.
I look over the stories of the past few months and most chillingly of all – I see potential for a bloody holocaust here and abroad. I think the time for debate is quickly passing, I think it’s perhaps time we started to get ready and prepare oursevles for one hell of a storm.
Danny I am ready and there is usually a little battle everyday
I’d rather die on my feet than on my knees and one of them is comming with me
Why is it that the only person mentioning skin colour is the person accusing others of being racist?
I think James! that you are the racist.
Here Here James!
this needs to go to the International Court of Justice in order to uprppt the real villains – American evngelicals and Martin Ssempa.
James …!, Ooooh!, you are right.
Then, blacks must be mentally retarded and they can not distinguish wrong from right.
So if a white evil tells them to massacre the neighbor, they do it without thinking. It should be
their mental age never exceeds 5 years old. White people is always always always guilty, isn´t it?
“-Mister Black , how old are you? -
-I´m 47 Years old, but I’m black then I’m retarded-
-That´s True, Mister Black. Now I want you to kill that woman-
-Yes, Bwana, as I am stupid, I do what you order me, Bwana-”
Thanks Danny. It’s posts like yours that make visiting this site worthwhile
James – I accept that US chuches have helped stoke the fires of Uganda’s savagely backward bigotry.
can you please confirm that Ugandan society is ultimately responsible for its own savage bigotry,
Your attempts to absolve Uganda of responsibility for their savage bigotry is quite chilling.
They are proposing genocide against gay people.
You are effectively saying ‘Oh welll nothing to be done – let’s just blame the US churches’
Uganda needs to be utterly shunned as a country. With the type of savage homophobia rampant there it does not deserve to be treated like a civilised place.
Is anyone going to argue that Africa has many places that are open human slaughter and charnel houses? Rwanda, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Zaire etc. Uganda has welcomed with open arms the Christian Fundamentalists from the USA and in partnership with them have devised a murderous political ‘solution’ to the ‘problem’ of gays in Uganda. This latest act of murder is a political killing and in a country such as Uganda there will be many many more innocent victims such as David Kato. The real perpetrators of this murder in Uganda and in the USA will watch to see if we in the West do anything about it, and if we do nothing, they will murder at will any gay person they can lay hands on in Uganda.
James, are you claiming that the Ugandans are simply not intelligent or logical enough to arrive at their own conclusions of right and wrong?
You endeavour to excuse the uncivilised and irrational behaviour of a cruel, unjust and barbaric system of bigotry, violence, murder and hate by blaming it on imported religion. The Ugandans are responsible for their decision, they were not forced to adopt these Neanderthal policies and attitudes, they willingly chose to.
The Ugandans are willing pawns in this evangelical movement therefore must be held accountable for their participation. I agree with the majority of civilised people, that Uganda should be expelled from the Common Wealth and have all Aid funding ceased from the US and Europe until they redress their attitudes and government policy regarding homosexuals.
“David’s death is a result of the hatred planted in Uganda by U.S evangelicals in 2009,” said Val Kalende, a Ugandan gay rights activist. “The Ugandan government and the so-called U.S evangelicals must take responsibility for David’s blood.”
I think Val Kalende knows the truth of it. It is written in the blood of the innocent murdered by this unholy partnership of USA Christian Fundamentalists and the Ugandan politically corrupt.
This murder has its origins in the intensive effort of US christers to promote anti-GLBT hatred and violence throughout Africa. Prominent in that effort, in addition to Lively, are two figures we’re more familiar with.
Donnie McClurkin, a self-loathing pentecostal Obama supporter, is pushing his anti-GLBT hatred in South Africa where lesbians in particular are targeted for rape and murder.
So is Obama’s BBF, southern baptist bigot Rick Warren who Obama chose to speak as his inagural two years ago .
“It’s no secret, of course, that there are strong and growing links between American and African conservatives. Rick Warren has been deeply involved in planting churches in Africa and mentoring African preachers.” Many of the rightwing African governments retaining neo-colonial relations to England and the US welcome US christer penetration of their nations. “Since the late 1990s, the Anglican archbishops of Uganda, Kenya, and Nigeria, and presidents Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, and Sam Nujoma of Namibia have all used homosexuality to distract people from the issues facing their countries and churches by claiming that homosexuals are responsible for moral decay in Africa,” We’re being use to scapegoat the failure of pro-American governments to govern well. http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/2046/
Rick Warren’s baptist cult spends millions in Africa to promote the spread of HIV by promoting abstinence. Kampala used to be dotted by billboards promoting condom use. They’re torn down, replaced by billboards promoting virginity, ‘faithfulness’ and abstinence. Predictably, HIV/AIDS rates are on the rise because of Warren.
Neither of Obama’s cultnut supporters or Lively have been indicted on federal charges of interfering in the internal affairs of foreign countries.
Ultimately, the example provided by Obama’s mass murder of civilians in his four oil wars is the origin of much of this violence.
GLBT folks in US occupied Iraq are routinely murdered by US armed and trained sunni ‘police’ and shiite jihadists. As for the gays, lesbians, bisexuals and trans folk endangered by Obama’s occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and by American cultists in Africa we should insist that Obama and H. Clinton begin atoning for their crimes by
1 – Opening all US military and diplomatic installations to give unlimited protection to our brothers and sisters.
2 – Offer unlimited asylum with necessary financial aid to those endangered by US polices and US cultists.
3 – Admit US responsibility for the jihadist murders in Iraq and by confiscating, without compensation, the payments from the Iranian theocracy US companies.
Good post Mr. Perdue however the war in Iraq is a Blair and Bush confection. I agree President Obama should be much more vocal in his condemnation of the Christian Fundamentalists, however to be fair and truthful he did condemn David Bahati’s proposed legislation in Uganda. I agree much, much more must be done and soon.
Great posts Bill and Johnny. I wish you’d comment on other threads you too Danny.
> De Villers You dumb cu*t I hope you get c@ncer
So on a post about a person murdered for his sexuality, you call for yet more death.
You’re anti American beliefs are blinding you from the Ugandan’s who are responsbile for this.
I’ll never ever go to that country.kjisses from a danish guy/gay
It is shocking and sigusting.
I am also very concerned for Brenda Namigadde threatened with deportation to Uganda tomorrow
I’m really sorry for being this kind of news lately. It’s shocking that in this side of the word gay people can be on magazine covers with their families and in the other side they are being killed and discriminated.
I’m glad that they are still fighting for their rights and that they are not giving up easily.
all you people calling for Uganda to be isolated from the international community – are you forgetting that there are actually gay people living in Uganda? Ugandan homophobes do not pose a threat to anyone living anywhere else in the world, they only pose a threat to gay Ugandans. Cutting the country off from the rest of the world would likely make their situation a lot worse.
This has to be the most ridiculous and contradictory statement I have ever heard. He just doesn’t get it does he. That these are the remarks of someone in a position of responsibility over other peoples lives is absolutely terrifying. I think that there are paralels with Natsi Germany in this issue.
(aware of misspelling – site wont allow correct spelling of ‘Natsi’)
What a joke indeed.
My ‘anti-American beliefs’ are based on my 60 plus years as a citizen of the US, the world’s biggest Banana Republic and faux democracy.
In the US our ‘anti-American’ sentiments are not directed against working class Americans but exclusively against the American looter classes, far and away the prime cause of violence on this planet of ours.
And of course we condemn Ugandan christer scum who are bought and paid for by foreign elements, including not just cultists but also the US and English governments who continue to exploit their neo-colonial relations with countries in the over-exploited parts of the world.
The cults causing the greatest damage in Africa are the roman and anglican catholic cults, islamists and US evangelicals. For all of them bigotry is just another money making commodity, like blessing sacrificial goats, selling indulgences and lauding the looter class for its ‘charities’.
Religion is the enemy.
Religion is clinical insanity.
Religion is humankinds greatest tragedy.
Religion is an enabler of militarism, homohating, woman hating, racism, immigrant bashing and props up the rule of the looter class.
Sieg Heil, Comrade Perdue! Heil! Heil! Heil!
Take your meds, ‘Brent’ and leave commenting to the adults.
Ohhhh…. Ja wohl, Comrade Perdue!
I think *you* are taking *too* many meds, Perdue. We’re sick of your racists filth here. Fcukoff back to the swamp you came from.
Brent you dont want to mess with us.. Trust me
“Brent you dont want to mess with us.. Trust me”
What are you going to do? Use block capitals? Say “mean things”? Cry? What exactly?
Perdue is an embarrassment to gay people everywhere and does nothing to further our cause in the US. His racism is offensive. His arguments flawed. He is living in the past. He’s obviously suffering from a disorder. He likes to propagate communism nonsense here and on other sites with the same bitterness.
He’s a swamp critter.
And you think I’m afraid to “mess” with someone like him?
Don’t make me laugh.
I’ve not seen any racists postings can you send me a link?
No? Get the Comrade Bill tasking about the British, or better yet, the North Ireland Provence. Then you’ll see it.
Incidently go and have a look at this article:
@ Brent – James! is right. Bill isn’t being racist, just anti american and anti monotheistic. The only person who has left a racist comment that has judged people on their skin colour is James!…………….
“WHITE evangelicals have taken their corrupt “traditional family values” racket to Africa and hit paydirt.”
I wonder why Pink News don’t have this type of writing and any one person commentating on the stories that have come to light recently?
Danny, just read the article you posted. You’re right, its and excellent piece and exceptionally well written, thanks for sharing it with us.
@ Danny: it’s a little at a tangent to this topic, but it is indeed a fine article.
“As a side-note, it’s especially galling to be accused of endangering children by Melanie Phillips, the journalist in Britain who has done more to recklessly endanger children than any other I can think of. She was the leading journalistic champion of the false claim that the MMR vaccine causes autism. She refused to listen to the overwhelming scientific consensus and instead promoted the claims of a fraudster called Andrew Wakefield. After she played a key role in spreading and popularizing his claims, the rate of children being vaccinated plummeted, and several have died.”
“Even after the British Medical Journal concluded that Wakefield staged an “elaborate fraud”, she has refused to apologise. I’d say persuading parents not to give their kids a life-saving vaccine based on the claims of a charlatan was a bigger “abuse of childhood” than teaching them that gay people exist, wouldn’t you?”
If only PinkNews had this to throw at Melanie Phillips the other day.
Brent = reactionary DUP sockpuppet who hates the left but can’t argue against us so he lies. Willfully.
That’s especially sickening in a discussion like this.
Couldn’t agree more Helen. Now, if only a journalist (gay or otherwise) could take Phillips to task over this, how great would that be. C’mon Ben Cohen, where are you when we need you.
RIP David – a shining light in a dark place.
Would Melanie Phillips like to make a comment?
“Brent = reactionary DUP sockpuppet who hates the left but can’t argue against us so he lies”
Shut up Bill and give the nonsense a rest for one bloody day, will you?
This is about David Kato not your bipolar condition.
Show some bloody respect, you moron!