The Daily Mail is simply appealing to the average intelligence of its readers, who probably only push their chips aside to look at the pictures after a hard afternoon in the pub on dole day.
perhaps everyone who ever writes them anything should remind them of their support for hitler while hitler was killing gay people
just an idea.
I can’t actually see it. Is it there? I can’t make something out but it doesn’t look like one.
As I can’t see it this really doesn’t offend me. I can’t stand the Daily Mail. Do we really need to be all over this?
“perhaps everyone who ever writes them anything should remind them of their support for hitler while hitler was killing gay people”
Don’t be silly.
Why would you expect the brain dead bigots that read the Daily Wail to even know who Hitler was.
One time gay people are offended to be depicted as too feminine, now it’s too masculine. We should really stop feeling offended by everything!
The swastika on the other hand is an absolute No-Go!!!
Yet more storm in a teacup.
I had to look very hard on the original before I noticed a solitary swastika.
I really don’t think the two guys are in any way depicted as neo-N@zis, but simply rather burly bears you might find in many a gay bar.
It was probably a bit of an oversight on the cartoonists part the swastika was included, but an innocent mistake. Had this cartoon been displayed anywhere else than the Mail, I doubt anyone would have said anything about it, apart from the usual Jewish lobby that always take things to extremes.
“As I can’t see it this really doesn’t offend me. I can’t stand the Daily Mail. Do we really need to be all over this?”
Yes indeed we do.
By publish this and given the poisonous vitriol being spewed in the comments forum of this story, the Daily Wail is simply pandering to it’s bigoted readership.
This whole story is simply about a CP’d couple simply not receiving the same rights as a married heterosexual couple and an old religious couple attempting to not provide goods and service to this couple by hiding their homophobia behind the bible.
To then go on and portray this gay couple as tattooed thugs of a “foreign army persuasion”,
( Careful not to get censored by using the “N” word which is in this story by the way “Pink News” )
only adds derision to this couples simple request to expect the same rights as everyone else.
So YES. This we should “go over this.”
Um… everything else aside.. the cartoon just isn’t funny. The caption doesn’t make a joke. I just don’t get it. Are Daily Mail readers rolling in the aisles at something that I have missed? Am I thick?
As usual the Daily Mail, like the BBC, feels the need to cash in on being offensive and controversial. They have shown total disregard for the fact many Gay and Lesbians were murdered by the Germans
alongside the Jews.
It is not the LGBT that holds back our rights it is drocian media groups that try to derail any equality.
Just as this paper knows it wouldn’t have dared publish the Islamic cartoons for fear of offense and revenge they also know they using the LGBT community is just an easy target that they’ll probably get away with. (Thanks Peter Tatchell).
God forbid should we see offensive cartoons against race, disablities and Islam.
How can we justify this as being fine when we know other groups in society wouldn’t be treated this way. How can we justify a facebook page dedicated to complete homophobia, suggesting only remarks saying how we are unnatural, child molesters, etc that say all tolerant comments will be removed as retaliation for the B&B case?
If this was done to any other group they would rightly fight back. How are we any different. Should we really sit back?
Will we yet again just be ignored only news worthy for abuse?
All the Daily Mail and it’s readers serve to do is to stop equality.
Time to watch our backs. Time to stand up and be counted. Time to show we deserve the same amount of respect as everyone else.
To people like mmmmmm, is this the time to sit back and do nothing?
Plain and simply NO!
“It was probably a bit of an oversight on the cartoonists part the swastika was included, but an innocent mistake.”
A swastika? An innocent mistake???? Have you been drinking stuff from under the sink again? Do you seriously expect us to believe that utter garbage? Just because you read the Daily Mail, don’t suspect the rest of us to be so gullible, or so stupid….
Darren P – I don’t get the joke either. That’s because it’s simply not funny – unless you’re very immature, I suppose. Ooh, the idea of two burly men wanting the bridal suite! How I laughed. NOT.
Well put. ;0
Spanner will no doubt issue the same godwins law rebuke he normally does, its his usual comfort zone and the last refuge of those with no argument to make.
I suspect the Jewish community may be the only ones getting an apology from the Mail. (Maybe)
“One time gay people are offended to be depicted as too feminine, now it’s too masculine. We should really stop feeling offended by everything!
The swastika on the other hand is an absolute No-Go!!!”
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I agree the Swastika is no go – so to speak.
I also find the hyper-masculine depiction very interesting, especially when at times we have appeared either too feminine; or now too masculine.
Interesting polarized (or black and white thinking).
Is this saying, another reason to be scared of LGBT people; or curiously another reason why you should not mess with them.
And why should the Mail be giving the Jewish community an apology? Seems like we’ve all of us been held to ransom by jews.
How do you work that out? To be honest I don’t hear the Jews make many complaints except about people denying the Holocaust etc and to be honest I think we all have a right to complain when that occurs.
Iris, its only funny to those who consider this sort of thing newsworthy: “Crazy diets were wrecking my body,’ reveals Sports Illustrated model Brooklyn Decker” (today’s “news” paper). How enlightening. Its handy to know these things when going over to the local shop in your pyjamas after getting out of bed at 2:30 in the afternoon. Its nothing more than a racist rag for angry idiots.
“Seems like we’ve all of us been held to ransom by jews.”
Oh, now its the Jews again. Anyone for a pogrom?
“To people like mmmmmm, is this the time to sit back and do nothing?”
How surprising, you have already stated my opinion before I have even said anything! This isn’t just saying ‘I think homosexuality is wrong because my Bible says so’, this is portraying gays as proponents of hatred and genocide. They have somehow equated equality with totalitarianism, which is factually wrong and they should be forced to apologise and correct their mistake.
So, Jock before you shoot your mouth off and ‘confirm’ what I think, why don’t you keep your trap shut until actually put my two pennis in myself!
Is it any wonder that this nonsense comes form a news paper that once wrote an editorial titled “Youth Triumphant” in support of Adolf Hitler. In 1934 the Mail were editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists, and wrote an article entitled “Hurrah for the Blackshirts”, praising Mosley for his “sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine”
The Daily Mail: supporting fascists everywhere.
Were it not for the swastika, the picture would actually be mildly amusing. However, this is offensive, and I rarely find anything genuinely offensive.
I complained to the PCC yesterday.
George- the heads at the PCC must groan inwardly every time a bleeding heart contacts them with a gripe, I know I’m groaning as I read all these right-on militants screaming blue murder about the Mail, its the Mail- its their thing, get over it.
“And why should the Mail be giving the Jewish community an apology? Seems like we’ve all of us been held to ransom by jews. Spanner ”
Please take note, that some puerile little arsewipe is trying to discredit me with anti-Semitic posts such as this. I did not, nor would ever say so.
Considering I myself am part-Jewish.
Oh sorry about my reply then
“Please take note, that some puerile little arsewipe is trying to discredit me with anti-Semitic posts such as this. I did not, nor would ever say so”
If that is the case Spanner, then I withdraw my last comment and apologise.
To the moron what wrote that comment using Spanner’s name: get a life…. or at least a pair of balls and put your name to your racists little comments instead of cowering behind another name.
Thanks Will. x
Which part of you is part-jewish Spanner? Your circumcised dick?! LOL
“George- the heads at the PCC must groan inwardly every time a bleeding heart contacts them with a gripe.”
I might well have written that.
But I didn’t.
Jock S Trap “Which part of you is part-jewish Spanner? Your circumcised dick?! LOL”
How very droll of you to ask. I’m uncut, as you ask. I guess the Jewish bit of me is the one that bears eternal grudges on people and vows revenge.
The rules should be changed on here to make your username unique to you and to one e-mail address. I suspect this is not the first time identity theft has happened on here.
“I suspect this is not the first time identity theft has happened on here.”
Agreed. Its too easy for someone to masquerade as another to discredit, its happened to me more than once. And on another thread we have some religious nut job using the same post under multiple names on multiple threads, to make it look like more individuals are taking that position. Pathetic really. Pity they don’t have the smarts to actually change the post first.
I don’t see why people are so het up about the depiction of two gay guys in that cartoon, switch on Sky and you’ll witness a more offensive depiction of homosexuality in the form of Louie Spence, he’s an aberration and stereotype that makes all gay guys look like mincing screaming queens. The saddest aspect is that he’s not some 18 year old twink discovering their identity, instead he’s a guy in his 40s who seems to think his behaviour is ‘normal’. So I think we got off lightly considering what the Daily Mail cartoonist actually have decided to draw.
George, I thoroughly agree. Absent the swastika, I wouldn’t have any problem with the depiction. A mistake? Hardly…the cartoonist knew exactly that it would provoke controversy. The Daily Mail is probably supportive of that right wing psycho-talking, homophobic scumbag Stephen Green and the American nutter Sarah Palin in America.
All this the week before Holocaust Memorial Day -26/27 Jan.
I suspect the cartoonists object was to try to portray gay couples as ‘intimidating ,possibly fascistic about insisting on being allowed to stay at christian B & B’s etc.
The DM cartoonist, and presumably Editor Dacre for allowing it, are implying that christians should be able to discriminate and that gays etc are in the wrong, as with the law,on this. It’s such so-called newspapers that fairly often rant against the Human Rights Act etc…
The owners comment may just be an attempt to try to have things both ways and make the cartoon less offensive…
The same arm also has a lot of seemingly grouped ’666′s around the top, I wonder what message that is trying to portray.
These cartoons are meant to convey a message otherwise they have no purpose as an editorial comment and would not be in the paper in the way they are.
So you have to ask yourself, what is the Daily Mail trying to say and why?
I, for one, am not very enamoured with the implied message.
“These cartoons are meant to convey a message . . . ”
I was wondering what your take on the Daily Mail’s message was?
Here we go again, how very sad another imposter stealing identities again.
Yes, mmmm its a problem on here and one PinkNews sadly refuse to deal with saying they don’t have the resources.
Regarding this peculiarly unfunny cartoon, If we aped the behaviour of offended Muslim’s there would be bloody rioting in the streets. The Daily Mail always lives up to it’s well earned reputation as low-brow gutter press.
The Mail is still running with the Bulls as Christian martyrs story draining every last ounce of emotive drivel from it while ignoring the legal facts of their criminal discriminatory behaviour.
“Is it right to persecute a harmless old couple for staying true to their faith?”
My take on the message is that the Daily Mail is trying to portray homosexuals as
“fascist, satanic, Neo-Nxxx bully boys intent of intimidating and subjugating poor old defenceless Christians in their warm and loving homes and who are attempting to wipe christians and christianity from this sceptred Isle”
I think it is in the mind of the viewer if that depiction gains any traction, with Daily Mail readers – they have fertile ground.
I had to change the text as I was not allowed to use the same word as was in the headline lol.
To answer your earlier comment I wasn’t making a statement for you I was asking a question, hence the question mark.
““fascist, satanic, Neo-Nxxx bully boys intent of intimidating and subjugating poor old defenceless Christians in their warm and loving homes and who are attempting to wipe christians and christianity from this sceptred Isle”
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Thanks – lol
Don’t you just love Daily Mail – Paranoia
OMG – perhaps Gay will no longer be used as bullying word in the playground for every things which is weak, lame and ineffectual.
Excuse me . . . whilst I just go an get a tattoo – lol
“Is it right to persecute a harmless old couple for staying true to their faith?”
They are about as harmless as that Austrian former WW1 war veteran, who wanted to stay true the Germanic legend!
Well I wouldn’t really have expected anything more than a cheap shot like this from the Daily ‘hate’ Mail to be honest.
An innocent mistake? The Daily Mail?
The same Daily Mail that proudly brought the nation;
why gay men die unnatural deaths by Jan Moir,
the classic, aren’t disabled people really like Lou and Andy from Little Britain cartoon.
The recently very popular; Over a gloriously chilled champagne I reflected on Joanne’s murder and how sad it is that her aspirations to the good life only stretched as far as a premium range pizza
The Daily Mail, The Daily Mail, think about it, then ask yourself again whether this fear mongering, hatred inciting piece of garbage really makes such innocent mistakes
It’s interesting that the Daily Mail is always carping on about various government social engineering interference when it is quite clear that by the very nature of their editorial content they are attempting to do themselves.
In their eyes we should all be white, heterosexual, married christians with 2.4 children and we will denigrate you if you do not fit that bill.
The reporting of this story in thisis cornwall has attracted the most disgusting comments from homophobes and christians ,, would welcome some input in order to redress the balance, thanks .
I’m a tiny bit worried about Will’s assumption that unemployed people stay in bed all day. eat chips and read the DM! In my periods of unemployment I haven’t done any of those things.
Does anyone know a print newspaper that IS giving a balanced view of the Cornish story? I mentioned it to a friend who doesn’t have the internet and she very nearly bought the Sun in order to find out more!
Oh for effing sake! This site is getting beyond a joke and seems to be on a crusade to label and tarnish anything and everything homophobic. The toon clearly takes the piss out of the recent hoo-hah. Why didn’t you bother including the punchline? It was clearly taking the pee, and going AGAINST the usual stereotype of mincing femmes. How dare this site plummet to the level of over-reactionary gutter journalism it accuses the likes of the Daily Mail of wallowing in in attempting to incite discord and animosity? I am over the site forever. Pink News, I never thought I would live to hear the day, but here I come…
PS: I will miss mmmmmmmmmmm’s contributions. The only poster on here with any common sense and dignity, and who has made logging in these last few months worthwhile.
I am going to complain to the PCC.
I should add that I have always found the English casual use of Nzai jokes and insults to be shocking.
Sally @ I understand everything your saying. What has The Pink News become ?
This picture tries to show Mr and Mr Smith as average gay couple with these two monsters. These two monsters are not average gay couple only in mind of artist are they average gay couple.
I’d suggest that the Daily Mail’s characterisation of gay men as intimidating Neo-N***s may be just as damaging as “the usual stereotype of mincing femmes”. The imagery makes it apparent where the cartoonist’s sympathies lie, and is consistent with the newspaper’s record of anti-gay propaganda.
I don’t believe that Pink News is “attempting to incite discord and animosity” in its coverage of this story. The cartoon’s punchline is included in the text of this article, and I’m really not sure that it improves matters.
And I hadn’t realized that there was another Sally commenting on these pages. I suppose I’m the only one now :(
Pink News is a refreshing change to other Pink media. It represents a wider range of views and allows a broader range of discussion and thought. Well done Pink News, and more power to your elbow.
the daily wail is a dreadful paper full stop, I dont think the fact they would publish this is a surprise to anyone..
The cartoon depicts two burly men with shaved heads, covered in tattoos and with ear piercings, standing at a hotel checkin desk. This in stark juxtaposition to their surroundings.
The man on the left has a swastika emblazoned on his right wrist and is shown looking sternly on, giving a thuggish, loutish, uncompromising demeanour to the couple as they stand holding their hands.
It shows two comparatively smaller, meek hoteliers looking on with bewilderment, shock and superior distain. The following dry, sarcastic comment is made:
“Isn’t that romantic, George, dear? Mr and Mr Smith would like the bridal suite.”
It is averred by the presentation, therefore, that the position of Christians who hold anti-gay views has validity because they appear respectable and, by contrast, the gay persons do not. This is clear association fallacy as it asserts that the qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association – thus the deduction is demonstrably invalid.
Contextualised with the current news, it implies that there is something inherently wrong, distasteful, disruptive and indecent about people who are gay and that they impose themselves on others in an overbearing, disrespectful way – just by being themselves.
By loaded insinuation, the cartoon implies that the private anti-gay moral views of some Christians, which are subjective, are being subjugated and usurped by the rights of gay persons not to have the dispensation of goods and services denied to them by a business entity, purely based on their sexuality. The two do not equate and are clearly separate concerns.
For all the rhetoric in this area, the equality legislation only ensures that the views of others, no matter how sincerely held, cannot be used to deny such dispensation of goods and services by a business based on immutable characteristics, such as sexuality. (In contrast to being a Christian, nobody chooses to be gay.)
The cartoon merely serves to stoke up anti-gay sentiment and resentment and, therefore, incites hatred, based on sexuality.
This is acceptable?
Pink News has turned into Fox News of the Gay World. Stop trying to make news and start reporting it. This week it’s The Mail last week it was the BBC.
Pink News has turned into a professional moaner
I would expect nothing less from the Daily Mail, so why would I be offended by it?
In any case, I think I saw that couple at my local last week.
@Nick Lowe, very good analysis.
I agree. Nick summed it all up well.
I’m sorry but where are the symbols or in fact any other indication these 2 men are Neo-Nazis? To me, they just have a bit of a rubber fetish Please tell me… I go drinking all the time and always come across Men Only bars and fetish bars. Not every gay man is 1) camp 2) old 3) Classed as “normal dressed”. I’m an out gay man who is proud of being myself, but I’m sick of everything we don’t like we throw the homophobia card in. The Christians do the same when they don’t get there own way by saying they’re been discriminated against. It’s pure hypochondria.
What else do you expect for the paper that supported hitler till september 1939?
One thing I like about the pink press is that at least we are allowed a good banter, even the Daily Fail allow this, but go to the christian Voice, christian Institute, free presbyterian church, catholic church, where are you able to discuss matters of faith.
One thing I like about the pink press is that at least we are allowed a good banter, even the Daily Mail allow this, but go to the christian Voice, christian Institute, free presbyterian church, catholic church, where are you able to discuss matters of faith.
Nick Lowe: “The man on the left has a swastika emblazoned on his right wrist and is shown looking sternly on…”
emblazon verb (emblazoned, emblazoning) to display in a very obvious or striking way.
How was that obvious or striking? You can hardly see the bloody thing at full size, scattered amongst the many other tattoos. It hardly covers the character’s wrist!
“This is acceptable?”
In my book, perfectly. Cartoons are caricatures, blown-up, larger than life stereotypes designed to get a point across. The fact that some nit-picking little twerp has nothing better than to point this out demonstrates the pettiness some people will descend to in order to win some Brownie points.
When my partner and I moved into a street where we had a Daily-Mail-reading couple on both sides of us, they were clearly worried about our presence and what we might “get up to”! They had, of course, been brainwashed by their vile newspaper.
They learnt, slowly, that we were more concerned about ethical matters than they, in fact that we were streets ahead of them in terms of what is right and what is wrong in this world.
We taught them a lesson, we like to think. However, the Daily Mail, with its endless erosion of the good image of gays and lesbians, has probably all the good work we did.
Hear, hear Nick Lowe! Excellent analysis.
“One time gay people are offended to be depicted as too feminine, now it’s too masculine. We should really stop feeling offended by everything!”
you have to remember everybody is different. its not the fact that its feminine or masculine, its the assumption that these characteristics run 100% consistent with a persons sexuality. to be fair i think everybody is more riled about the link with fascism. what more can you expect from the paper known for its nostalgic sense of bigotry and ignorance!?
@Spanner – Thanks for cheering me up. It seems that I have hit a nerve!
Of course, there is nothing like a good bit of ad hominem attack when one is unable to dissect something logically and rationally, the requisite to putting forward a proper, salient argument. ;)
A salient argument that can be debated on the merits is, of course, what I was trying to do in my post!
I must admit that I am at a loss as to what legitimate point the cartoon intended to or might get across. Please help us out?
All I can see is it, quite deliberately, playing on and to the unsubstantiated, irrational fears of others, provoking hatred.
To me, this cartoon, prima facie, has a political, propagandist agenda. I would certainly argue that it does not harmlessly caricature, nor was that its intent.
“In my book, perfectly. Cartoons are caricatures, blown-up, larger than life stereotypes designed to get a point across”
The point of the cartoon being that the dirty thuggish N@** homos are
threatening the poor lickle christian OAPs.
Perfect fodder to stir up the Daily Mail bigots..
The fact you cannot see this simple fact speaks volumes about your own limited intelligence.
I like the Mac cartoons. It’s lighthearted. It’s the only think worth seeing in the Daily Wail.
Nick Lowe: “Of course, there is nothing like a good bit of ad hominem attack when one is unable to dissect something logically and rationally.”
The ‘nit-picking twerp’ comment I made was not targeted at yourself, but the author of this piece of nasal waste.
You are fully entitled to your opinions, but I really wonder if such a trivial matter deserves any more keyboard usage than it has, from anyone, for or against.
Surely there are more important things to worry about?
The mail group also publish thisis cornwall and thisis devon websites where they waste no opportunity in stirring up homophobia in their articles and furthermore allow the most disgusting homophobic comments and propaganda to be published , it is inciting and enabling queer bashing in a virtual world where they assume they can be unaccountable , it is an insidious and subtle attack .
and now this ; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349012/Therapist-tried-cure-homosexuals-case-delayed-amid-claims-witness-intimidation.html
It looks like a Buddhist swastika. There, problem solved, case dismissed WITH PREJUDICE! Get it?!?
The Daily Mail vocally supported Adolf Hitler until September 1939.
Just to remind people what this newpaper is like.
Why should we be surprised that this is printed in the Daily ‘Hate’ Mail. They are simply appealing to the homophobic, racist bigots who choose to read this vile rag. The worry is that the whole way they have covered this story supports negative treatment of gay and lesbian people.
I detest the daily mail and everything it stands for and find the cartoon offensive, but it has prompted me to think about my own community: why is it that there are sizable numbers of people in the gay community who dress and act like skinhead neo-facsists?
It’s something that’s always appalled me and, given that you see so many gay men who dress and act like the two guys in the cartoon, why should we get annoyed at the daily mail.
Get our own house in order first, and get annoyed about the fact that people within our own community adopt the dress, attitude and manner of a section of society that would happily burn us at the stake. Then let’s take on the daily mail…
@ Smitty, are you having a laugh. So you turning on the Bigger Gay man. Some of us have got a 32″ waist, drink cocktails and swam around in D&G and some of us are 16 stone have short hair and loads of tatoo’s. Get over it.
No william, that’s not what I mean at all. I am talking about the subset within the community that adopts the look, mannerisms and style of white supremacist neo-facists. Not about size or hair length. For the record, I don’t wear (much) D&G, prefer a pint to a pina colada and eat like a human being rather than a supermodel.
But this fetish thing that happens within the gay community is akin to black men wearing ku klux klan outfits for a night out and I find it disgusting. I don’t understand why people want to celebrate that racist, evil culture. But the fact they do, rather weakens our complaint against the Daily Mail
@ Smitty thanks for thinking i look like a racist. I am over 16 stone, I wear black vest top , have short hair, I wear boots and have tattos. How does that make me look a racist. I look like a builder which by the way I am.
now william, you’re putting words in my mouth. I’m saying the opposite of what you’re inferring. Go to Wikipedia and type in “white power skinhead”. That’s what I’m talking about. I think you’ll recognise the look, which is the same look that the daily mail cartoonist is recreating in the cartoon. It’s that, not a 16-stone builder, that I find offensive
Nick Lowe gave an excellent summary. Forget the bloody swastika. I thought this cartoon was massively offensive the second I laid eyes on it, in the form of a small thumbnail (where I couldn’t even see the swastika). This is a story about a couple standing up for their rights in the face of entrenched bigotry, and then this loathsome cartoonist decides to stir up anti-gay hatred with homophobic propaganda of the sort that one might find on a BNP pamphlet.
I can’t believe so many people want to look the other way. This is on the same level as the “melon-headed black man” or “oriental rat-man” pictures that used to do the rounds in newspapers half a century ago. If either of those was printed nowadays, they’re be an outcry over it.
As well as the PCC, I might consider sending an email to this “Mac” person himself (if I can find a contact address for him). He can’t hide behind the Daily Mail’s apron, they didn’t draw it for him. It may be a picture instead of words, but he’s still as culpable as that horrible Jan Moir.
@ smitty – I find everything you have written as offensive, stupid and apologetic for the daily mail. Get your own house in order before you start judging the gay community, you freak.
Pick your battlefields carefully. I would let this one pass by, as not worth powder and shot.
We got to laugh at ourselves sometimes! After all we are suposed to be gay!!! Please remember that the swastika is actually a symbol for well being which was stolen by some defunct German political party lead by someone who was one-quarter Jewish and had suppressed sexuality and only one ball (the other is in the Albert Hall). The band, Death In June lead by the openly gay Donald Pearce reclaims symbols stolen by the far-right such as the Life Rune and the Topenkopf.
Is everyone blind ? Swastika or no, they’re wearing the skinhead uniform. Did you all grow up in a barrel ?