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  1. Horrible.

    The regime in Iran is savage and brutal and backward.

    Which is a terrible shame as Iran has a highly educated and intelligent population.

    Unfortunately if the regime decides these men are to be executed there is little anyone here can do.

    We should do everything in our power to encourage ther young people of Iran to revolt, If change is ever to come to the savage regime there it will have to be from within.

  2. Iran is the single sickest place going. If ever there was a place to overthrow.

    No humans should be subjected to such disgusting treatment.

    It was stupid to have this video but i hope we can save them.

  3. It puts it into perspective, really. Here we get up in arms about a gay couple politely turned away from a privately owned bed and breakfast, whilst in Iran, these two are being stoned to death.

    We need to sort out priorities out and put international pressure on countries who stone people to death for ‘victimless crimes’ committed in private, that harm nobody.

  4. Good (the phone film part not the gay sex part)
    I am so tired of people recording themselves naked on their phones, it’s about time this was made a capital offense.
    I mean after the umpteenth naked pic on an Iphone the narcissisism and testerone just stangle all sympathy for these dumb bitches (all over the world).

  5. @notagain

    I agree this puts things in perspective but it’s all related, if we don’t take a stand now and stop the rise of intolerance in unchecked the west could end up like the middle east.

    As for the two young men I did what I can and have sent a letter to the prime ministers office urging they take action I suggest everyone else does the same.

    Here’s what I wrote.

    To whom ever this email reaches, I have just read of the most tragic case of human intolerance and cruelty.
    Two Iranian citizens Ayub and Mosleh, 20 and 21 have been arrested and sentenced to death by stoning for having a sexual relationship.
    I implore you to do everything within your power to pressure the Iranian government to reverse this monstrous decision and save these two young men from a barbaric fate.

    Thank you.

  6. @Sean

    These are peoples lives ! Yes it was dumb to do such a thing and I personally dnt like the whole cam thing, to condone this action is sick !

    I can’t believe you’ve honestly just said this is a good thing. Perhaps the next time you look at some porn you should be murdered … I don’t suppose you like that idea… Then try having a bit of decency and put some value on life !

    Hell it’s bad enough these twisted countries want us dead without turning in our own.

  7. The Iranian regime are an embarrassment to humanity.

    May this be a reminder of what happens when religious fundamentalists get power and encourage us to maintain a secular state.

    @Sean, capital punishment for stupidity? You make me sick.

  8. It puts it into perspective, really. Here we get up in arms about a gay couple politely turned away from a privately owned bed and breakfast, whilst in Iran, these two are being stoned to death.

    We need to sort out priorities out and put international pressure on countries who stone people to death for ‘victimless crimes’ committed in private, that harm nobody. – notagain
    ———————————————————————

    I don’t get this point at all. Are you really saying we should stop the fight for full equality in the UK, because proportionately its not as bad as in the Iranian theocracy?

    The best way to to help any LGBT person is to make the UK a example of what full equality looks like. We will continue to speak out for our brothers and sisters abroad, but we still have work to do on the home front too.

  9. notagain – We can do both. They are not mutually exclusive.

  10. antonyvietnam 18 Jan 2011, 7:02pm

    I just want to say:

    “What is human beings?”

  11. I mean I can’t really speak for him, but I didn’t really read notagain’s comment as suggesting that we should give up the fight for equality here. Of course we should fight for our rights, and of course the hoteliers were wrong, not to mention illegal, in turning away the couple. I just think maybe it’s not as bad as we all seem to have been saying being denied a hotel room, when there are guys barely out of their teens being subjected to death by stoning over there. The hoteliers were acting illegally and unfairly, but this is just barbaric.

  12. Mumbo Jumbo 18 Jan 2011, 7:44pm

    @Sean

    Are you for real? Your lack of empathy is worrying. Get help.

  13. @sean they are NOT being prosecuted for the film, but for BEING GAY.

    time for petitions and protests. let’s see if we can get this overturned.

  14. paul canning 18 Jan 2011, 7:50pm

    I wrote this reports.

    If you want to do something, urge a protest by William Hague. Protests against the stoning for adultery of Sakineh Ashtiani appear to have resulted in punishment changed to imprisonment.

    It may not work but direct protests by western governments have ‘worked’ in the past.

  15. I think we need to mobilse action fast.

    Lets begin by sending e-mails to the Iranian Embassy.

    We need to let then know that we are watching their country, and we will be requiring them to make a statement on these human rights abuses!

    General Enquiries:
    info@iran-embassy.org.uk

    Consulate:
    consulate@iran-embassy.org.uk

  16. Uncivilised country-as simple as that! Once again that dreadful word, ‘religion’, rearing it’s evil head!

  17. A protest in front of Iranian embassy in London is a must. At least that we owe to those guys. Let’s be quick. Peter, organize us please.

  18. We celebrate our success in LGBT advances but as we see daily we still have plenty of people in opposition to us having equal rights.
    Internationally many people can only dream of what we have achieved and we must never forget that there interests are our interests. When we forget the values of their lives we dismiss the value of our own.
    Dont just read this and say it makes me feel bad, do something!!
    Write an e-mail to your MP, send an e-mail or write to the Iranian ambassador. I expect we can get a demo together by Friday, keep watching for info.

  19. Please spare an our of our time to show solidarity. Let’s get together and be proud to defend love however silly those recordings are. This could be our pride march. This one could actually make sense.

  20. It would be nice if Jonathan Ross, Stephen Fry and others were to make use of their influence on Twitter etc to garner support for the two men sentenced to death in Iran. Tweets in support etc could make a significant contribution.

  21. I can’t believe that even today people would be condemned to death just because they love someone of their same gender. I really hope something can be done fast, we just can’t allow people from anywhere in the world to die based on who they love.

  22. Dan Littauer 19 Jan 2011, 1:52am

    Story has been updated (but not on PinkNews yet)
    – A young boy was coerced to claim two older boys raped him – they are to be stoned this friday! See: http://bit.ly/GME0150

  23. I don’t believe for a Minuite that these guys raped the 17 year old. Much more likely they just had a 3-sum and the Iranian anti gay propaganda forced the 17 year old to shout rape.

    They prob threatened to kill his family if he didn’t co-operate.

    Such a sick place to live :(

  24. Jock S. Trap 19 Jan 2011, 9:35am

    Absolutely Shocking. To have such disregard to human life. Just Evil.

    To all those who claim we should hide ourselves in case we provoke religions discriminate while legally enjoying Pride events take note (the likes of mmmm and William etc). This is why it is Very important to be a part of the message, not only for those bigots in this country but to also help show our LGBT brothers and sisters in those countries with oppressive governments that we are out there and they are not alone.

  25. Protesting to the Iranian embassy etc is a noble gesture, yet ultimately a completely futile one.

    If Iran can build stocks of replenished uranium for nuclear weapons and get away with it, what chance to you really think you have over this?

    I wish there was something we could do, but short of invading the country, I’m afraid our hands are tied.

  26. Dr. Denis MacEoin 19 Jan 2011, 10:42am

    May I intrude a different but important issue here. I do hope protesters will gather at Iranian embassies round the world. But here’s the thing. The last time I saw any LBGT groups protest, it was not against Iran (which has been hanging gays for decades) but against Israel (where being gay is legal and where gay pride marches are regular events). That seems utterly hypocritical and sick. Gay Arabs and Palestinians flee to Israel to escape being killed at home. Israelis protect them. Iranians kill them. And who do some gay organizations choose to jeer at and condemn? It’s time to get real.

  27. Perhaps we could also contact the foreign office. Putting pressure on the FO might encourage a statement from the Iranian Embassy on this impending atrocity.

    http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/ministerial-feedback-form

  28. Spanner wrote

    “Protesting to the Iranian embassy etc is a noble gesture, yet ultimately a completely futile one.”

    . . . . . . . . . .

    I beg to differ

    Only saying nothing, and colluding with silence is futile!

  29. JohnK
    You sound like “Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells” in the Time’s Letter columns, that scribbles out five-page long complaining diatribes to public bodies on a daily basis.

    Iran frankly don’t give a toss about anybody in the West, they are funded heavily by their own oil, and are ardently supported by Saudi Arabia and UAE, so they can afford to ignore everybody else. This incident is merely the tip of a massive iceberg, of which human rights violations are only a small part. I am pretty certain they would have been invaded by the US had it not been for the fact that the rest of the Middle East would have supported them and cut off oil to the West, which even Uncle Sam cannot afford to do without.

    There will be some expressions of disapproval in the house and the UN, and then it will sadly be all forgotten about.

  30. Jock S. Trap 19 Jan 2011, 12:11pm

    Interesting story developing about Ken Liviingstone being paid thousands of pounds to front a programme on Iranian state television.

    In view of what this story is about and the deplorable way Iran treats it’s Gay/Lesbian community this reminds us how divisive Ken was whilst Mayor. Would we want that again?

    Say what you like about Boris but he doesn’t invite LGBT killing extremist and if you live in London, regardless of if your gay, lesbian, straight, black , white etc your treated equally as a Londoner.

  31. Dr. Denis MacEoin 19 Jan 2011, 12:18pm

    Spanner, You don’t understand the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, the UAE and other Arab states are terrified of Iran and its expansionist ideology. They dread the day when Iran has nuclear-headed missiles. If the US were to invade Iran, they would probably make an outward protest, but support the Americans behind the scenes. The only reason the US doesn’t invade Iran is that it would lead to a very bloody, protracted war following on Iraq and Afghanistan. There would be screams from the usual suspects, all eager to keep the theocracy in power. Regime change is what is needed.

  32. Dr. Denis MacEoin:
    You may well be right, that is the way I see it. However, the outcome is the same, Iran will continue to be arrogant and show no interest in the West, because, unlike most of the rest of the world, it doesn’t need us.

    As long as it continues with it’s hard line Sunni Muslim approach, ruled by nutcases, nothing will change and cases like this will continue.

  33. Isn’t Iran the largest Shia country (not Sunni)?

  34. An utterly vile regime now unprecedentedly powerful in the region because of the disaster of the Iraq war. Where will it all end? There looked to be a moment of hope when liberal Iranians took to the streets last year after the blatantly fake elections. How long will it take?

  35. Brian Lewis 19 Jan 2011, 2:37pm

    Hopefully Israel will Nuke Iran and finally pop the pimple on the worlds butt.

  36. Very perceptive Brian Lewis, well done you. Now what’s your take on the situation in North Korea? I have 2 minutes before my ready meal is done.

  37. If emails to the ERmabssy bounce back/blocked write to the Ambassador immediately:.

    Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Iran
    16 Prince’s Gate,
    London SW7 1PT

    Campaigning both in the UK and with those groups within Iran etc MUST continue until this vile regime is removed. However, the rants from those who want Iran invaded by the West should be opposed aswell.

  38. And did you manage to find all this out on your own Ray? Jolly well done, here’s a biscuit. Now roll over and play dead.

  39. A medeival country with medieval forms of punishment. We have to make sure that religeous nutters dont get a foothold here because at times we seem to be heading in that direction. Is there anything we can do? My heart goes out to these young guys.

  40. Seems like either David or JohnK have found a new way to waste their time on here by attempting to imitate me.

    There really are some sad little fvckers out there.

  41. Rehan: I get the two confused. I am talking about the radical offshoot bunch that people like the Taliban support.

  42. Clearly there are no humans living in Iran – where’s the humanity in what they are wanting to do to these two young people.

    Stoning people is what uncivilized barbarians did to each other hundreds of years ago. Haven’t the Iranians evolved one iota?

    Iran is an embarrassment to all of us.

    This kind of act tarnishes and compromises all Muslims …. all the Muslims I know don’t go around wanting to stone each other!

    Wake up Iranians! We’ve moved on from the Dark Ages. Stop stoning people who are living a lifestyle you can’t understand.

    Even if you don’t agree with what they are doing, taking a person’s life because they are different to you is a childlike and inhumane response.

  43. Steve@GayWebHosting 19 Jan 2011, 4:52pm

    “Uncivilised country-as simple as that! Once again that dreadful word, ‘religion’, rearing it’s evil head!”

    I totally agree. It is a shame that we have anything to do with them whatsoever.. Religion is the biggest evil the world faces today….

  44. Please write polite emails to the Iranian embassy in London –

    info@iran-embassy.org.uk

  45. @paul canning . . . thanks for the update

  46. Thanks Paul and JohnK…

  47. Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:52:12 -0500
    From: Hossein Alizadeh

    IGLHRC Statement Regarding Allegations of Imminent Execution of Two Men in Iran

    January 19, 2011

    The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (IGLHRC) has received reports of the imminent execution of two men in Piranshahr, Iran. By some media accounts, Ayub and Mosleh have been sentenced to death for raping a young man, filming their actions, and inserting images of President Ahmadinejad into the film. There have been reports that the men are scheduled to be killed by stoning on January 21. IGLHRC has been unable to confirm the allegations in this case.

    This case is evidence, however, of much bigger problems in Iran: widespread abuse in the justice system and censorship of information. People, including those who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender may be arbitrarily arrested, tortured, and convicted on baseless charges. It can be difficult, if not impossible, to know the facts that lie behind convictions.

    IGLHRC condemns the use of capital punishment in all instances, including this one, regardless of the alleged acts with which the individuals have been accused or convicted. Likewise, IGLHRC condemns all forms of sexual violence and rape. We call on the Government of Iran to immediately annul any execution order related to this case, to end the practice of death by stoning, and to repeal the criminalization of same-sex activity.

    “Iran has an impenetrable and opaque criminal justice system that makes knowing what is really happening inside the country impossible,” said Hossein Alizadeh, Regional Coordinator for IGLHRC’s Middle East and North Africa Program. “What we do know is that killing is wrong in all its forms, even when committed by the State.”

  48. The email address given previously bounced my email, but this one seems OK –

    consulate@iran-embassy.org.uk

  49. To make it clear, mainstream Islam does not preach random violence against homosexual people, nor hate of any other human being, but does regard the homosexual act itself as being against God’s natural laws, and therefore against the interests of human beings and human society. Islam is a merciful, and extremely tolerant religion, but Muslims believe (like believing Jews and Christians and many others) that the homosexual tendency is not a good, normal or natural feeling, and needs treatment as a psychological, and emotional illness, or a biological abnormality, as it would be seen amongst animals, for the true long term happiness of all affected. The consequence, in this world, of not finding solutions to cure homosexuality in this way, is the spread of confusion about sexuality, and the break down of the normal family structure, as well as in the normal upbringing of children, e.g. to have normal relationships. This would lead to other psychological and emotional problems, contributing to a breakdown in society, and possible rises in crime, all of which will cause far greater misery and suffering in the long term. Of course Muslims also strongly believe that consequences for the soul after death are a reality, which can be far worse, and therefore believe in guiding and helping people to avoid all of this.

    Only in an Islamic state, where people are fully educated about their human nature, feelings, and other Islamic knowledge, including the Islamic laws, as well as where people would have ample opportunity and help to have successful heterosexual marriages, as well as affectionate platonic friendships, would homosexual acts be prosecutable at all, and only a minority of cases would they be punishable, as the act itself has to have at least 4 witnesses, as evidence!! It is only the public shameless act and promotion of homosexuality that is seen as dangerous enough to prosecute, with severe physical punishment as a last resort, particularly in cases where there is no repentance. This is needed as an effective deterrent, and a clear message that homosexuality needs to be challenged, not accepted as normal, and not allowed full freedom to spread.

    The word Islam itself means the ‘way of peace’, and it is only ignorant people, or even ignorant governments who do not put Islam into practise correctly, who may commit injustices, or go to extremes. The solution is more and better education from mainstream, highly knowledgeable scholars of Islam, not less!!

  50. “but does regard the homosexual act itself as being against God’s natural laws”

    There is no such thing as “god’s natural laws”. If something exists, by definition, its is natural. Your statement is quite frankly unintelligent and very lacking in reason.

    “It is only the public shameless act and promotion of homosexuality that is seen as dangerous enough to prosecute”

    There is nothing shameless about homosexuality, only ignorant religious views about it.

    “particularly in cases where there is no repentance”

    Repentance? From what? You mean repent what we are because some moron who thinks god is telling his what to do says so, and the words of a dead “prophet”? A “prophet”, I might add, that was a warmongering basket case who would be considered a predatory paedophile and a rapist by any civilized individual.

    “and therefore believe in guiding and helping people to avoid all of this.”

    Oh, yes, lets hang them. That “guiding” them okay. Don’t be ridiculous. Do you even see how ridiculous and cruel and inhumane your religion is? How it is stands for anything but “peace”. And if you believe hanging is “guiding” people, then you are a bigger moron than most religious types in here. You’re a disgrace to humanity for even suggesting that.

    “The word Islam itself means the ‘way of peace’”

    Well, it certainly does not mean intelligence or wisdom if you post is anything to go by. You should be ashamed of yourself posting that tripe, it only reinforces to me the fact the religious such as islam are for bigoted degenerates like you.

  51. Ummnoor :
    Please define then exactly what an “infidel” is and what the Koran says about them.

  52. Ummnoor’s rant

    it appears that this person only has one message, and is probably a hit and run merchant.

    This person has posted exaclty the same mesage on the Islamic conference thread.

  53. and the break down of the normal family structure, as well as in the normal upbringing of children, e.g. to have normal relationships.

    A “normal” family structure that’s so good that a man can have up to 4 of them, but a woman only one? Yes, lovely. HIghly desirable.

    Logic and consistency are conspicuous by their absence.

  54. Please sent the following e-mail or similar to Simon Hughes MP
    simon@simonhughes.org.uk

    . . . . . . . . . .

    Dear Simon Hughes MP

    “The Planned Iranian executions of Ayub and Mosleh”

    I understand from various sources: GLA. GayMiddleEast, LezGetReal, LGBTAsylumNews and Pinknews.co.uk, that Ayub 21 and Mosleh 20; are due to be executed in Iran for alleged homosexuality offences.

    I understand that homosexuality is illegal in Iran. I also understand that a previous Iranian case of a woman sentenced to stoning for adultery, was later changed to imprisonment. The case highlighted how with international pressure the Iranian regime can be brought to reconsider cases.

    I urge you to use you influence as Deputy Leader of the House of Commons, by putting pressure on the Iranian Embassy and the Iranian regime, to halt this impending execution; by asking them to reconsider these alleged offences of Ayub and Mosleh.

    Yours Sincerely

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